they knew each other, i understand correctly that what koshyts collected then in the kuban, it was in these cossack villages, he made records, yes, and they too, this archive, alas, they, unfortunately, too, all almost lost, that is , he managed to find about a thousand songs there, and he also compiled such a collection, which even won a certain... of the russian empire, that collection was lost somewhere, and oleksandr koshyts, when he was in exile, wrote that he played these works from memory, and literally several of these sutokuban songs are preserved today in his winnipeg archive, but unfortunately, unfortunately, they have been lost. do i understand correctly that these were literally a few people who understood the meaning of culture, what started as ukrainophilism, yes, well , ukrainianism, yes, from the community, and then these people who, who understood the meaning of culture, they actually this cultural diplomacy began to be developed, it is correct that it was a very small group of people at the beginning of the century, well precisely as cultural diplomacy... what i man

today we will talk about the legendary ukrainian conductor oleksandr koshyts, and we will talk about... how culture can become a shield for the people, and how oleksandr kosyts and simon petliura, his friend, understood this, and at the beginning of the 20th century during the ukrainian revolution, they actually created the republican chapel of the ukrainian people's republic, which presented this culture in the west. my guest today is tina peresunko, tina is a researcher of cultural diplomacy of ukraine. is also the author of a wonderful book which it's called simon petlyura's cultural diplomacy, and tina is also the author of the same wonderful film shchedrik, which gained, i understand, more than a million against the russian, shchedrik against the russian world, which gained more than a million, yes, views, half a million in the first month of views, well we will become more than a million today, not to mention the fact that it was shown on tv channels, so... tina, good evening, i congratulate you, thank you for taking the time to come to us today, let's start with why, why you de