. >> michael, later going to talk to eric larson, who has written a tremendous book about the days leadingup to the civil war and parallels. the book is not about the parallels but the parallels are remarkable to today. the civil war talk is not isolated. i want to give a couple of examples. steve bannon on his podcast last month said quote, we are at war. are you prepared to leave it all on the battlefield, to simple, victory or death. kevin roberts, the president of the heritage foundation, the architect of project 2025, symone and her team interviewed him. he said we are in the process of a second american revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be. like mike johnson said in april that he viewed himself as a quote, wartime speaker and said, i mean that in the literal sense. tell me about this. is a bluster or in impolitic that we talk about work? it strikes me like we're talking about civil war more than normal. >> we are, and let me take you back to 1856. there was a group, as you both know called the know nothings. they hated immigrants, they hated black peopl