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tom nichols, staff writer for the atlantic. tom, who is your pick? big a buffet this week. i think rather than keep punching joe biden, i have to go with rfk, the psion of a great and storied american family, who now is entering the last phase of his bizarre campaign for president. pictures of eating dogs, but i also want to give a shout out to one of the person on the periphery of all of this and point out that america's mayor, quintessential new yorker rudy giuliani, was disbarred in new york this week which is just really -- if you had asked any of us 20 years ago, we would not have seen it but i think i have to go with rfk just for the total weird factor of all of this. >> yes, and obviously that was a very disturbing picture. we don't know what that was in the picture. but no matter what it is, just the picture itself was a little bit unsettling and very disturbing if it was that. joe, who are you going with? >> looks, two answers. every week it's donald trump, the only president in american history who lost an election and refused to concede an

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let's bring into the conversation jennifer rubin plus staff writer for the atlantic tom nichols.il staying with us as well. look. tom and jennifer, i've been reading everything you published in the last week and despite the fact that you don't have the same position on this, i think you would both agree, i will start with you, tom, that the character is the issue. you both think we should think different things about whether joe biden should stay in the race but tom, you made clear that character is the issue and everything needs to be done to ensure donald trump is not the next president of the united states. >> right. i think a lot of this debate has gotten off the rails with people now going into an argument that because of i think legitimate concerns about whether joe biden can get through this campaign, i think he can do the job but i think the campaign is different and winning a campaign is different than doing the job that somehow that means we are really having a debate about whether joe biden is better than donald trump. there's no question about it. joe biden is vastly

brian, those are very good points and i also want to bring in tom nichols staff writer at the atlanticm and i've had lots of conversations about all of this and tom, one of the things i want to ask you about is basically just to get your reaction to the president, is he is a defiant, it sounds like he is just dead set against getting out of this race. it looks as though the white house and the biden campaign have basically launched a media blitz this week, he went on one of the morning talk shows this morning, fired off a letter to the democrats up on capitol hill. do you think this can work in this settle things? down for joe biden i don't know if it can work i'm not, i'd be fascinated to be in my old job working on capitol hill again and just sort of listening outside of doors right now. >> but i think the thing that i find striking about this is while the president is defined because it is his right to keep the nomination. i mean, he ran for it. he got the votes. and if he wants to run, that's no one's saying that it's not his right to do it. but the problem is as brian was pointing

the staff writer for the atlantic, tom nichols, basil staying with us as well.g you published in the past week. i think you would both agree that the character is the issue. that we should think different things about whether joe biden should stay in the race. you made clear that character is the issue and everything needs to be done to ensure that donald trump is not the next president of the united states. >> right i think a lot of this debate has gotten off the rails with people now falling into an argument, i think legitimate concerns of whether joe biden can get through this campaign. i think he can do the job. i think a campaign is different and winning a campaign is different than doing a job. there is no question. joe biden is vastly better than donald trump. i have written repeatedly. i think he has a remarkable first term record. and the notion that somehow because of a debate we are back to square one and we don't know anything about either of these guys so we have to start owl over den, that's not what's happening here. i think there are a lot of fol

. >> we we have that story with tom nichols. >> we had a contributor talking about how his cat saved war for sure. >> yes. >> the film also reveals how some animals are helping with war recovery efforts. here's a clip from the documentary about a bomb-sniffing dog named patron which means bullet in ukrainian. >> his training began with getting accustomed to the sound of explosions along with the smell of gun powder. [ speaking in a global language ] >> he passed with flying colors. within a short period, he had traded in fetching sticks and slippers for sleuthing out explosive objects, even explosives hidden deep in the ground. >> that's incredible. i mean, these -- so these animals provide a service. they're not just -- some might say it's fruitless. worry about the people, but i think what we're showing here is that animals are sort of intrinsic in the human experience, especially in the middle of a war. >> for sure, and i think that this is the question of humanity. this whole documentary is all about humanity, not only about pets or animals, and also about human traits. speaking