barbara perry is a professor in the presidential studies the university of virginia. she joins us from charlottesville, virginia, there haven't fatalities in this incident and injuries, of course, a truly shocking event. well indeed, shocking. and yet, as some have been said, sadly, not surprising because of the history of violence and political violence and the history of the love affair that many americans have with weapons and guns particularly. so in that sense, not surprising. and then i would also add, in this sense, not surprising, because if one looks at the presidency as we do at the miller center here at the university of virginia, as think about book ends of the trump presidency. that in the 1st year of the trump presidency here, where i says, in charlottesville, virginia, the home and university of virginia in the home of thomas jefferson and the author of the declaration of independence. so lots of history here. and in august 7 years ago, a united uh right, so called rally occurred with some sudden this i would say not. there's not enough planning in on t

and that was recently published, the university of virginia press. cynthia kerner is a of history at george mason university. she earned her ph.d. from university of virginia and specializes the fields of early america women, gender and early southern history. she is the author or editor of eight books and numerous. in addition to being the organization's own of american historians, distinguished lecturer and the past president of southern association for women history science. throughout her distinguished career, dr. kirchner's research has been supported by the american historical association, the virginia historical, the library company, philadelphia, the american antiquarian society and the national endowment for the humanities. but before i turn things over to dr. kerner, the usual housekeeping items are in order for our friends tuning in with us virtually on zoom this evening. following tonight's author's talk, there will be a question and answer session. so please feel free to submit your questions any point during the presentation through the

good morning everyone on behalf of both the miller and the university of virginia press welcome to today's i'm steve cohen. i am a nonresident senior fellow with the miller center, the scholar in residence at the history channel and a of history at the university of oklahoma. many of us, when we about the american presidency, we think people like lincoln and tr and fdr and we think about the 20th century as being the defining century and defining and determining the presidential power. but stephen rockwell in this provocative new book turns out all that on its head. his book is called the presidency and the american state leadership and decision in the adams grant and taft administrations. the book is published by the center studies on the presidency with the university of virginia press. so here to these topics are, first of all, the author of the book, steven rockwell. steven is a of political science at saint university in new york. he earlier worked as a senior research analyst at the brookings institution and as an assistant professor in the political science and public administration

ligood morning everyone on behaf of both the miller and the university of virginia press welcome to today's i'm steve cohen. i am a nonresident senior fellow with the miller center, the scholar in residence at the history channel and a of history at the university of oklahoma. many of us, when we about the american presidency, we think people like lincoln and tr and fdr and we think about the 20th century as being the defining century and defining and determining the presidential power. but stephen rockwell in this provocative new book turns out all that on its head. his book is called the presidency and the american state leadership and decision in the adams grant and taft administrations. the book is published by the center studies on the presidency with the university of virginia press. so here to these topics are, first of all, the author of the book, steven rockwell. steven is a of political science at saint university in new york. he earlier worked as a senior research analyst at the brookings institution and as an assistant professor in the political science and public administration

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of virginia, from charlottesville in virginia. and barbara, i've just managed to perhaps look at that image again, the whole sequence. just as those shots with 5, it looks like the full, the president sort of took his hand toward says the, as if somebody had grazed it to not could be perhaps the scenario where people say that was maybe a little bit of luck. all he may have full of it back in his head as he wouldn't that we don't know yet. we'll get those details later. the live pictures that we're seeing is that helicopters are now around. that's how are you and people are leaving? this is not exactly how we would have walton said, his, his final right of the before the republican convention to of ended. but it has end date in a way that is going to be so controversial and create so much debate. not just about guns at about security, but about donald trump, the man himself. as indeed and as if we needed more drama in this 2024 presidential election. and the descriptions of, of the former president's hand coming up. and again, it j

we're going to bring in the barbara perry, a professor in presidential studies at the university of virginia. she joins us from charlottesville in virginia. thank you for joining us. so we've heard reports that, that have been the fatalities in this instance. so a truly shocking event. well that's the word is an edge of the last 2 hours is shocking, though, as my colleagues says, perhaps not surprising. i in light of the intemperate political rhetoric and actions of the last decade, i would say the history sadly of the use of guns in this country and political violence. and i have to say that as soon as i heard from the feed from algae 0, thank you. now i was going to be chatting with you all about the president's rally, the former president's rally as he runs for another thomas president. and suddenly the fees went off and i, i, i just had this sense. so my whole life of the violence that i have witnessed from my childhood starting was the assassination of president kennedy. and then his brother, robert, 5 years later when i was a bit older and then when i was in graduate school are just ab

of virginia. she joins us from charlottesville, virginia, thanks for joining us. what do you make about of what's happened here? we understand we haven't the report that someone was killed as well. what are your feelings about this? if someone or more than one person was a need for the former president, i suppose this is what is horribly referred to as collateral damage. and how horrible that is, that an innocent person at a rally which is usually very joyous, should lose a life. and, and that is just, just to heretic to contemplate, i was thinking, i, as i've been listening to the support of coverage. but as i was preparing yesterday for what we thought this conversation would be, would be about pennsylvania being a key state in this 2024 presidential election. i was reading about trump's appearance today. i had of time and i did something really sticking in my mind. and that was that they were expecting about $15000.00 people to come to butler county. i and see the president, the former presiden

for more, i've been speaking with richard schragger, a professor of law at the university of virginiah the latest development, this mandate in oklahoma which would teach the bible in public schools. officials there say this would be taught as an historical document. do think that holds any water when it comes to the constitution and the first amendment? well, it really depends what that means. in some cases there is some question about whether you can teach the bible as an historical or cultural document. that would be ok, except i think some of the purposes of the statutes urging teaching the bible is for religious purposes. if it is for religious purposes you might have a problem stop make the constitution, at least as interpreted by the supreme court in the 1980s, bible reading was not appropriate. actually, in the 1960s, they do this in a couple of school prayer cases. if the bible is treated as a peace of literature or writing, that might be possible, but if it is being used as a way of teaching moral or religious truths then might be a constitutional problem. is that the key dif

she's director of the presidential studies at the university of virginia miller center. joseph in charlottesville and virginia. we've spoken many times before. this probably is good to have you on the program. i'd like to say you could write the scripts could, you know, i used to say about the movie all presidents man, when it came out in 1976 about water days. the watergate scandal which i, i thought was so outrages at the time in real life that i said if i hadn't known but watergate has happened, and a president nixon had resigned the officer, the presidency. i would have said if this had been fiction, i would say it's unbelievable and i'm going to say the same thing. now the fact that these things have happened is close succession and i've been talking to you over the last few weeks about them. is just other really stunning to me. so how difficult or easy is it now for the democrats in the road to the convention? it will cost a just a few weeks time. lots of the pitfalls to i think it will be easier than if president biden has stayed in the res. obviously there will n

for more, i've been speaking with richard schragger, a professor of law at the university of virginiaatest development, this mandate in oklahoma which would teach the bible in public schools. officials there say this would be taught as an historical document. do think that holds any water when it comes to the constitution and the first amendment?— constitution and the first amendment? well, it really de-ends amendment? well, it really depends what _ amendment? well, it really depends what that - amendment? well, it really depends what that means. l amendment? well, it reallyl depends what that means. in some cases there is some question about whether you can teach the bible as an historical or cultural document. that would be ok, except i think some of the purposes of the statutes urging teaching the bible is for religious purposes. it is for religious purposes. it is for religious purposes. it is for religious purposes you might have a problem stop make the constitution, at least as interpreted by the supreme court in the 1980s, bible reading was not appropriate actually in the 1960s

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ed mills is washington policy and larry is director of university of virginia center for politics. michael is presidential historian for nbc news. maya served as senior adviser to the warren campaign in 2020. and brian schwartz, is the political finance reporter for cnbc.com. good to see you. good afternoon, everybody. michael, this is unprecedented. three months and change before the election. we haven't seen a strong challenge to vice president harris for the democratic nomi nomination. there's limited upside to doing so. if you think this is a situation to go up against trump and win, if you challenge harris and lose, all of the chances might be out because you might be seen as being unloyal by the party. if you think she could bwin, sae thing. >> that's right. >> as you were saying, john, this is a situation where we haven't seen the president pull out of a race this close to a party convention. lbj, harry truman, they did in march. this is something we haven't seen before. if you are to combine that with all of the talk about an open primary or open convention or some device t

he starts the, you know, the university of virginia, many of you, if not all, have been to the lawn and the buildings he supervised the architecture there, but the students there seemed to want to get drunk. most of the time. and race horses and not do what thomas jefferson did when he was a student at william and mary, which is to study the classics and study architecture, to study natural history and refute french naturalist, both lines charged that the animals of north america were inferior to those in europe. he was determined to prove that and pretty much right, rightly so. and he was he wanted a more subservient population. he planned things out for them. he planned the square grids that you see in the northwest territory. and if you fly across the country on a clear day, you can look down and see thomas jefferson's grids all the way from western pennsylvania to orange county, california, new. but, you know, it almost makes me think about the lewis and clark expedition, which he sent off. and i don't know whether you cover that extensively in the book, but but he was more interest

of virginia.nd the co-author of the book " women on the run: gender, media and can political -- and political campaigns in a polarized era." it has been such a unique couple of weeks and we will just start with the fact that vice president kamala harris seems to have secure the delegates to win the nomination and brought in records amounts of gas. what does this say about the state of women in politics and america? guest: the first thing is it says just like 2016. there is a level of enthusiasm that was just generally not seen the rest of the time. kamala harris has not only secure the delegates that has broken every record, she has raised more money in 24 hours in any previous candidate. and she has got more volunteers and gotten donations from more people than any previous candidate. so certainly some of this has to do with the fact that democrats were quite depressed with the fact that joe biden was at the top of the ticket and the other half has to do with kamala harris herself. host: there wa

of virginia.nd the co-author of the book " women on the run: gender, media and can political -- and political campaigns in a polarized era." it has been such a unique couple of weeks and we will just start with the fact that vice president kamala harris seems to have secure the delegates to win the nomination and brought in records amounts of gas. what does this say about the state of women in politics and america? guest: the first thing is it says just like 2016. there is a level of enthusiasm that was just generally not seen the rest of the time. kamala harris has not only secure the delegates that has broken every record, she has raised more money in 24 hours in any previous candidate. and she has got more volunteers and gotten donations from more people than any previous candidate. so certainly some of this has to do with the fact that democrats were quite depressed with the fact that joe biden was at the top of the ticket and the other half has to do with kamala harris herself. host: there wa

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unite the right march at the university of virginia.ally, the latest florida news, publisher penguin, random house, and penn america are suing the escambia county school district for banning books on race and lgbtq issues citing a violation of the first amendment. the fight back against the banning of books where you have a texas county library saying if they're being forced to put certain books on the shelves, they will close the library, or missouri legislature voting to defund the libraries. i want to get each of your final comments on this issue of the closing down, of the pushback on discourse but how people are rising up. let's start with you, anthony. >> well, i think we have to start with the question of why is the teaching of history so threatening to people in positions of power? they understand the force of people who are learning history, who are learning to think critically, who are questioning authority, who are learning to think for themselves. they are very threatened by students like haley encountering a book such as "a

who is brad wilcox, university of virginia professor, who wrote get married, why americans must formzation. >> he comes from a profamily, intellectual, conservative logistic guy -- religious guy. the broader context is these are a group of people who are questioning what liberals call progress is actually good for society, also whether the past 60 years of social change, dating back to the 1960's, have actually been a good thing. vance does not think it has been. he comes from this world that thinks the sexual revolution was a mistake, has had terrible unintended consequences, that women's entrance into the workforce has not been good for feminism, as liberals make it out to be. he uses this line in a couple of speeches, if you're worldview tells you it is bad for women to become mothers but liberated for them to work 90 weeks in a cubicle at the new york times or goldman sachs, you have been had. this is part of his broader critique that the culture war, class wars, liberals have weaponized social views to consolidate and advance their own economic interests. the idea of liberating

the university of virginia's center for politics, is also the author of return to normalcy, the 2020 election that almost broke america. >> and he joins me now from charlottesville, always good to have you with us thank you. >> rosemary so we are seeing fresh doubts as pressure continues to build on president joe biden to exit the 2024 race, the highest ranking democrat and former speaker nancy pelosi says the decision needs to be made soon because time is running out senate majority leader chuck schumer wants a frank discussion with the president and on his candidacy and now actor george clooney wrote in a guest essay for the new york times that quote, we are not going to win in november with this president. >> all this coming as more elected democrats voice their concerns. so right now the president is standing firm, but is the dam about to break? >> i don't think it will break because elected officials are deciding that biden should move along because the way biden looks at it, he's the head of the party. he is the highest elected official. and therefore he would have the final wo

november kristen holmes, cnn, washington larry sabato is the director of the university of virginia's center for politics and the editor sure. >> of return to normalcy. the 2020 election, that almost broke america and he joins me now from charlottesville, virginia. good to have you with us thanks. >> rosemary. >> so vice president kamala harris hit the campaign trail in milwaukee tuesday energized and emboldened as the presumptive democratic presidential nominee attacking donald trump by comparing her record to hears in an effort to define herself before he does. how was her message received very well i would say democrats were not only energize, they were relieved remember this is the first opportunity they've had to see her as the presumptive nominee of the democratic party. >> and with all due respect to president biden, who's been ill, but it's also elderly they were delighted with the way she presented the case. she actually did serve as prosecutor of the case against donald trump that's something that president biden really is no longer capable of doing. so it came across, well,

the seneca project, and a resident scholar at the university of virginia's center for politics. she was also part of the republican party for nearly three decades, but left in 2020 after donald trump refused to concede the election. she joined it's me now from washington. good to have you with us thank you for having me. some house democrats remain divided on support for president biden not to their full democratic caucus meeting tuesday, the first since the president's faltering debate performance. senate majority leader chuck schumer says he's with joe along with many others. but some say there'll be watching joe biden's every move for the rest of the week. can the biden campaign get everyone united behind him? and what more should they be doing to do that? well, i think it's clear that after the last ten days of unrelenting media coverage about president biden's campaign in his faltering debate performance. >> that he is still in this race. he has been defiant the polls have been they haven't been great, but they also have cratered. so it's clear that he was he's made a decis

for the center for politics at the university of virginia, and editor of a return to normalcy. the 2020 election that almost broke america. so larry, do you think trump is? scared of a different democratic candidate replacing joe biden yes, i do. >> because for one thing, any replacement candidate, whether it's vice president kamala harris or one of the governors we've been hearing a lot about that individual is going to be a heck of a lot younger and more vigorous than donald trump. all the emphasis has been on the age of joe biden. donald trump is 78. and actually if he's elected to a second term at the end of that term, he would be older than joe biden is right now. i think if you watch donald trump carefully, you can see the effects of age. there to the energy level is lower and he has some obvious health problems. we don't get any reports from his doctors either. >> yeah. and we have been noting that as well. he certainly has sometimes says stuff that makes no sense. he meanders he gives coherent and coherent sentences and it's interesting when you bring up his age and how

the center for politics at the university of virginia, the editor of return to normalcy, the 2020 election that almost broke america larry just a few moments ago representative ritchie torres of new york expressed some concern about the president's effect on down-ballot races. i don't know if you saw former speaker nancy pelosi's comments earlier today. what do you make of all of these cracks? it seemed as though things yesterday were solidifying somewhat for the president perhaps not so much today, what do you think the reason this is happening? >> is because there's no good answer. there really is no good answer and they're trying to figure out a way to get back to where they were, which was also behind, but just barely early behind. now, things are falling apart in some places so i think you're going to see more of this, although they do have a natural break at the republican convention, it's even possible that the media will focus on some of donald trump's problems if he has any i'd have to go back and refresh myself. of about his four years as president in january 6 and the felony con

let's bring in larry sabato with the university of virginia center for politics. we checked in with you a couple of times during the previous selection events about president biden's ability to hold the office or at least debate his opponent. now after the assassination attempt, are you with those who say this just the end of it and is this a shoo-in for a landslide or do we need to pause more deeply with this? >> so many things can happen between now and november. we all know that, and so much happens in a day anymore, so i think that's very foolish if people are actually saying that. i would say trump was essentially tied before the debate and the debate was such a disaster for biden that it pushed trump up a couple of points and then we came to the disaster on saturday. i don't have any fresh polling data that shows that donald trump benefitted from it, but i think he probably would. it played out in his fife are though i'm sure he would have preferred not to have had it happen. then he's got a convention that is completely unified behind him. i don't think the

they're mostly at the university of virginia. he saw deeply what motivated his fellow white southerners to commit acts of terrorism. he was appalled by it morally and he dispatched cadres of federal into the south who would prosecute the klan. so prosecutors prosecute their backed up by the army. thousands of klansmen are arrested and indicted. many, many imprisoned locally for for varied periods of time in the end only comparatively small number are sent to federal prison. so since our time is is finite here i'm going to cut to the chase a bit and say, well, what happened? the war against the klan. grant's war against the klan was a success. it broke the klan. the klan collapsed as i said earlier, faced with soldiers, with carbines, klansmen surrendered. they caved in. they were cowards front. they were they were they were okay with torturing, isolated, as said it, black and white citizens in cabins in the middle of the night but faced and soldiers they caved in. all right. so the klan as it as a terrorist organization collapsed

she earned her law degree from the university of virginia. as you said, she is a queens native. today, her colleagues, including democratic leader hakeem jeffries, are remembering her as somebody who has had a historic, trailblazing career. he also went on to say, he is grateful for her fierce advocacy,'s determination, formidable service and legacy of leadership. the congressional black caucus, something she has been a part of in her three decades here in congress also releasing a statement saying that jackson- lee was a patriot and fighter to the very end. words cannot express the sense of loss our caucus feels for our beloved friend. she will be deeply lost-- remembered by those who loved her. i have to tell you, in personal experience with her, she has always been kind, always coming to ups with a lot to say of course in the moments that matter. >>> turning out to politics, where we have got a lot to talk about. it has already been an eventful and historic summer in american politics. that is just putting it mildly. now that the republican national convention is over, it fee

the center for politics at the university of virginia, the group behind this ratings change. larry, thanks so much for being with us and happy fourth of july. and tell us about these downgrades yes. happy for it to everyone despite the downgrades. >> but it's michigan and minnesota and we were able to send them more in the republican direction because we had pressure public and private data to use to be honest with you, we probably would have downgraded from a democratic get perspective other states had we had fresher data. it's difficult to get the kind of data you need or individual states that either are swing states or might be swing states if there's a substantial change taking place in the campaign. and i think what we saw in the debate at least potentially could be a substantial change in the early poll suggests that it probably was so you see a link between the debate performance and at least early polling that indicates voters are responding to biden's performance well, yeah, i mean, i i don't know that we needed polling data for that. >> it was incredibly obvious an

now by larry sabato, director of the university of virginia center for politics great to have you with us thank you so much. >> raspberry. >> larry, a cbs poll of registered voters taken after thursday's debate show 72% think joe biden should not be running for president. the new york times and the atlanta journal constitution, a calling for president biden to leave the race. and wealthy biden donors, a panicking many thing if he's not replaced with a younger candidate at the august democratic convention, this race is over. what do you say to all this negative reaction to the president's stumbling debate performance on thursday it's, not surprising given what we saw everyone saw with their own eyes, what the problem was, and it's hard to explain your way out of it. people can say it's a cold or he was over prepared or whatever the excuses the truth is most of the negativity has stayed undergrad ground, which has been surprising because democrats normally express themselves fully in public. and that hasn't happened yet. and it's why we have to keep our eyes on two groups. one, the elect

professor chaney at the university of virginia is very active right now. scholarly writing, and says that, in fact a lost cause, doctrine is now at the centerpiece of trump policy. okay. and so in my own experience, christine, i lived in alabama for winters for the past 15 years. there's been a big resurgence specifically or especially among well-educated, well-traveled, affluent republicans of the doctrines. obviously, the racist language is not as blatant it used to be, but the underlying culture of denigration, the poor and and the people of color, i think is stronger now than it's been at any time. in in my professional lifetime. and i should say, after passage of the 64 civil rights act and the 65 voting rights act, the south went through an interregnum, a political process. you saw biracial governments in all major cities. you saw famous black in atlanta like andrew and maynard jackson. now that's all being out. there are some biracial governments in like birmingham and selma, but the progressive aura that prevailed after the civil rights victories o

of virginia center for politics. larry, how are you reading this new poll? >> well, i think it's more good news for democrats because many of them didn't believe and i was one of them. they'd ever be on a par again. >> their tied essentially that, that poll means nothing at one point lead the fact is that kamala harris has now tied it up again almost like we're back to where we were before that disastrous first debate when biden's performance was extremely subpar so that's good and we need to remember people number one, they don't follow vice presidents we do the uber political activists and report partners. >> we followed presidents and vice presidents and senators and all the rest. >> but americans don't do that unless a vice president is moving up as kamala harris is now doing. >> so, she's not well-defined. and what's going to define her? she fears that it will be massive attacks and negative advertising from the trump people. >> but what could define her much better and much further would be the selection of thi

he is an associate fellow at the university of virginia. that book sheds essential light on the question here. glad to be joined you have written about the rise over the course of the 20th century in your book. what is the instrumental university? where did it come from? how does the history of the rise of the instrumental university help understand the landscape? >> thank you very much for having me here. the institution said there was a change across the course of the 20th century. they particularly broke out after world war ii. that has university leaders came to view the university as an instrument for solving social problems and promoting economic growth. i argue this shift is grounded in some of the political thought of the earliest -- political thought of the earlier 20th century. certain ideals and fields coming aboard. universities were not just going to turn out graduates. the universities themselves would actually be institutions or instruments as the language sometimes went. i identified a number that tended to have allegiances

professor chaney at the university of virginia is very active right now. scholarly writing, and says that, in fact a lost cause, doctrine is now at the centerpiece of trump policy. okay. and so in my own experience, christine, i lived in alabama for winters for the past 15 years. there's been a big resurgence specifically or especially among well-educated, well-traveled, affluent republicans of the doctrines. obviously, the racist language is not as blatant it used to be, but the underlying culture of denigration, the poor and and the people of color, i think is stronger now than it's been at any time. in in my professional lifetime. and i should say, after passage of the 64 civil rights act and the 65 voting rights act, the south went through an interregnum, a political process. you saw biracial governments in all major cities. you saw famous black in atlanta like andrew and maynard jackson. now that's all being out. there are some biracial governments in like birmingham and selma, but the progressive aura that prevailed after the civil rights victories o

this. >> i'm joined now by larry sabato, the director of the university of virginia center for politics. always a pleasure to have you with us thank you, rosemary. thank you. >> so larry, we are seeing a re-energized campaign for vice president kamala harris. in the wake of president biden dropping out sunday and endorsing her as the new nominee. she has raised tens of millions of dollars since and now we hear a majority of democratic delegates have pledged to some fought her as the next presidential nominee. is that what you're hearing? and does that mean vice president harris has locked this in before the august convention? >> yes, she has locked in. >> it is already certain that she'll be the nominee. >> we call her the nominee or presumptive. and that wasn't certain. it it is absolutely amazing that in just one day, you could have biden step aside kamala harris come in, biden endorsed common while harris harris gets the endorsement of virtually all the senior democrats as well as a substantial majority of the elected delegates to the democratic national convention. she's way over th

thank you out front now, larry sabotage, the founder and director of the university of virginia center politics, and he's also of course, the man behind the very closely watched political ratings report saboteurs, crystal ball, which predicts the likely outcomes of races across the country. so larry, you just downgraded to key states for biden, michigan. now a toss up. you had previously said it leaned in democratic and minnesota also slipping here from a likely victory for president biden to just leaning, blue. why? >> we'll certainly the debate played a role, although i need to stress as others have, and that president biden had already slipped behind before the debate he was behind president trump before he got on that stage. and it's only gotten worse since it's pretty stunning to see the cnn poll and a couple of other polls today showing that trump has a six point lead over joe biden and its eight points, if you consider the entire pool of registered voters, a joke. i tell you what shocked a lot of democrats and democratic donors and others it's the fact that donald trump for the

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larry sabotage joins us now from the university of virginia, he's the director for the center of politics and uva and also the editor of return to normalcy, the 2020 election that almost broke america. >> always good to see you, said, there's been the debate performance fallout, that discussion out the vc news interview, congress back to work monday. what do you think this week holds in terms of joe biden moving the needle i think this is the moment of decision, not just for president biden, but also for democratic leaders. >> with congress back in session they're all in one place or most of them were in one place. and they're going to be communicating a great deal. and already we've had some additional members of congress, all democrats, come out and suggests that president biden should step aside. i'm not predicting that will happen because he seems determined to stay in and it's up to him. but if something were to happen, i think it would have to happen this week, barring another incident so now, how long does he have in the political sense? i mean, what's, what's the momentum in this

ing us now is larry sabato from the university of virginia center for politics. larry, always good to have you on you sit down with a lot of voters through the years and this cycle and many others. and you do a lot of data gathering. i wonder, what would you define as a success tonight? what does biden need to do to change, to change the dynamic right now? >> i don't think he can change the dynamic with one interview. i suppose you'd say stop the bleeding and the bleeding has been bad gym. i mean, we've been looking at all the data coming in, all the surveys, some public, some private and it's bad and democrats need to understand that things are not stable and it is no longer close the race between biden and trump no longer close. >> that's bad and by the way, cnn's reporting earlier in the week was that if biden's team saw polls are plummeting, that that would factor into decision to leave the campaign. you're describing polls are plummeting, right? not, not a minor move here it seems well, just take the four last week, including cnn's poll all of them were in a