they're just not voting for the
tories. and perhaps , but that's
tories. and perhaps, but that's
how it always works.
>> if you look at the history
books, actually a lot of these
same arguments were made about
tony blair in 1997. he was
referred to as not very popular,
as quite boring. he was called
bambi blair. so and if you go
back further than that, you go
to margaret thatcher. she was
not remotely radical when she
was going for her first general
election. she was extremely
cautious. nothing like the
thatcher that governed. and so
actually, what keir starmer is
doing is typically what these
leaders have done to get into
power.
>> i think there's a lot more
enthusiasm for tony blair in 97
than there is for starmer now.
>> but i bet you actually, i bet
you £10 that there will be a
bigger. well, you know, i don't
have your kind of private school
money, but i bet you that there
will be a bigger swing under
keir starmer than there was
under tony blair in 1990. that's
just going to be...