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catherine christian and former district attorney barbara mcquade.ocuments case and the interference in the election in fulton county. could there be an argument that he packed and took those documents while he was still president, or is it the holding of the documents after he was warned by the archives, after he was warned by the fbi and ignoring everything so it reached a subpoena, is that the obstruction, the hietding of it, all of that evidence, is that evidence still protected from being thrown out, do you think? >> i think the case will be largely intact, andrea, because he's charged with post-presidential conduct. that is unlawfully retaining documents after he left the white house and obstructing the investigation. now, there was one part of the court's ruling today which said that prosecutors can't even use official acts as evidence of the person's motive. and so to the extent that prosecutors were planning to use statements that donald trump made while he was still in office or conduct that he engaged in, that would have to be left out of
catherine christian and former district attorney barbara mcquade.ocuments case and the interference in the election in fulton county. could there be an argument that he packed and took those documents while he was still president, or is it the holding of the documents after he was warned by the archives, after he was warned by the fbi and ignoring everything so it reached a subpoena, is that the obstruction, the hietding of it, all of that evidence, is that evidence still protected from being...
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attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, thank you for being here this morning.esidential immunity case finally coming today. there's a sense that in some ways the supreme court has already made a decision by delaying their ruling by so much. it's making it very difficult for jack smith to put a trial on before the election. but walk us through what you expect to hear today, and if it does move back to the lower courts, what does that mean, and what kind of timetable are we looking at? >> yes, so jonathan, i think there are three possibilities here. one is that the court completely buys donald trump's immunity claim. he's immune, case over. that's a high possibility. the other is the court adopts the ruling from the court below and says the argument is completely rejected and the case proceeds. i think it is in between. one of the oral arguments we got from justice neil gorsuch, he said, i'm not so much concerned about this case bus we have to think about future cases and draw a line. i imagine they're going to engage in some line drawing and say something like t
attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, thank you for being here this morning.esidential immunity case finally coming today. there's a sense that in some ways the supreme court has already made a decision by delaying their ruling by so much. it's making it very difficult for jack smith to put a trial on before the election. but walk us through what you expect to hear today, and if it does move back to the lower courts, what does that mean, and what kind of timetable are we...
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attorney andsnbc contributor barbara mcquade.orning in the hours after this took place. tom, starting with you. a question that doesn't feel like it has any more answers, what more do we know about the shooter and potential motive? >> last time i saw you i was hopeful between the cellphone they recovered they would get into tha it doesn't tell a lie. your web search history is your history, your apps are your apps and your messages are your messages. was hopeful they would be able to doerm not just the how. i think that's becoming more focused. you laid out the reasons. the purchases of ammo. a home depot receipt was found on him, a purchase of a ladder, finding out if that was the one he used to get on the roof. these details are becoming more clear. but the why. and i know and i get it because i get the vitriol online, somebody shot at donald trump. what other reason could it be than some sort of a political reason? that's what people are saying. i think it's important to remember, first off, the last presidential shooting we h
attorney andsnbc contributor barbara mcquade.orning in the hours after this took place. tom, starting with you. a question that doesn't feel like it has any more answers, what more do we know about the shooter and potential motive? >> last time i saw you i was hopeful between the cellphone they recovered they would get into tha it doesn't tell a lie. your web search history is your history, your apps are your apps and your messages are your messages. was hopeful they would be able to...
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barbara mcquade and anthony cole are back with us. >> this is what justice thomas wrote in that concurringto question jack smith appointment. if there is no law establishing the office that the special counsel occupies, then he cannot proceed with this prosecution. justice thomas wrote, a private citizen cannot criminally prosecute anyone, let alone a former president. can you make this very clear for folks at home, what are these rules about the special counsel? when were they established? why would justice thomas right such a thing? jack smith is in fact lawfully appointed, is he not? >> he is. the thing that is most appalling about this is neither party raised this in the case. they were arguing if the president has immunity for his official ask, instead he jumps in and says, by the way, the special counsel is not constitutional anyway and we should get rid of it. that is nonsense. there are federal regulations that will propagate it because there are concerns about the statute. the independent statute was upheld by the supreme court in the case called morrison versus olson. because the
barbara mcquade and anthony cole are back with us. >> this is what justice thomas wrote in that concurringto question jack smith appointment. if there is no law establishing the office that the special counsel occupies, then he cannot proceed with this prosecution. justice thomas wrote, a private citizen cannot criminally prosecute anyone, let alone a former president. can you make this very clear for folks at home, what are these rules about the special counsel? when were they...
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joining us now, barbara mcquade and glenn kirschner, both msnbc legal analysts.ustice john roberts accused the dissenters on the court in his words, fear mongering on the basis of extreme hypotheticals when they made arguments similar to those made by the biden campaign. how do you see it? are those dissenters being alarmists here? >> well, you'll note that although chief justice roberts says these are extreme hypotheticals, and those hypotheticals are that a president could order the assassination of a rival, organize a coup, or accept a bribe in exchange for a pardon, even though he says those are extreme hypotheticals, he doesn't refute that they're true. they are true. of course, it doesn't mean that there's no accountability but if a president cannot be charged with a crime, the only accountability left is impeachment and removal from office. now, you could imagine a president engaging in this activity at the very end of his administration when an impeachment would be meaningless, and a promise to pardon his underlings, and so in that way, i think that a pre
joining us now, barbara mcquade and glenn kirschner, both msnbc legal analysts.ustice john roberts accused the dissenters on the court in his words, fear mongering on the basis of extreme hypotheticals when they made arguments similar to those made by the biden campaign. how do you see it? are those dissenters being alarmists here? >> well, you'll note that although chief justice roberts says these are extreme hypotheticals, and those hypotheticals are that a president could order the...
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attorney barbara mcquade.walk us through judge cannon's reasoning on dismissing this case and the broader implications, of course. >> andrea, this is a stunning decision. the first thing our viewers need to know is this is a technical decision that had nothing to do with the merits of the case. it had nothing to do with the allegations of mishanding classified documents, the allegations that donald trump obstructed justice and ordered subordinates to destroy evidence. that's not addressed in here at all. the whole crux of her opinion is that there is no law establishing the office of special counsel and that, therefore, the appointment of jack smith is unlawful under both the appointments and the appropriations clause, and i'll shortcut it a bit here. essentially the argument is jack smith wields a lot of power. he wasn't confirmed by the senate. there's no law establishing his office, and therefore, his office is unlawful, and this indictment must be dismissed in its entirety. it's gone, it's out. and by the
attorney barbara mcquade.walk us through judge cannon's reasoning on dismissing this case and the broader implications, of course. >> andrea, this is a stunning decision. the first thing our viewers need to know is this is a technical decision that had nothing to do with the merits of the case. it had nothing to do with the allegations of mishanding classified documents, the allegations that donald trump obstructed justice and ordered subordinates to destroy evidence. that's not addressed...
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joining us now, barbara mcquade, former u.s.rsity of michigan law school. she is the cohost of the podcast, sisters-in-law and author of how disinformation is sabotaging america. barbara, thank you very much for joining us. this moving of the scheduling was something that both sides in the case agreed on. what do you see in the supreme court opinion that you would expect to judge merchan to be thinking about? >> lawrence, as you know, the key inflection point is whether acts are official acts of the president or unofficial acts of an ordinary person. i don't think there is anything in this case, the payment of hush money, the falsification of business records to conceal that, i don't think there is any way to characterize any of that as an official act that would be immune from prosecution. the only sliver of possibility of an argument that trumps team could raise is this other part of the ruling where the supreme court said that the prosecution cannot even use as evidence any official act in bringing the case for unofficial con
joining us now, barbara mcquade, former u.s.rsity of michigan law school. she is the cohost of the podcast, sisters-in-law and author of how disinformation is sabotaging america. barbara, thank you very much for joining us. this moving of the scheduling was something that both sides in the case agreed on. what do you see in the supreme court opinion that you would expect to judge merchan to be thinking about? >> lawrence, as you know, the key inflection point is whether acts are official...
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i want top go to barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, a law professor at the university of michigan, also an msnbc legal analyst. barbara, just on andrew's point of what this is, de facto what it means and now that it's in writing and is part of a legal ruling, what it's going to mean and the repercussions it could possibly have going forward. >> i think it's a terrible decision and ashs wrong on its merits. going forward, i think this could actually be a blessing in disguise. it gives jack smith an opportunity to appeal the case immediately. so many of these other decisions were within the judge's discretion as she was slow walking the case. this is one immediately appealable and i think she's so clearly wrong on the law, that the 11th circuit will reverse. donald trump probably goes to the supreme court and we have to wait for a decision there. even if ultimately the supreme court rules in favor of donald trump, the case is not over. all that means is a special counsel can't bring this case. there is nothing then to stop the
i want top go to barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, a law professor at the university of michigan, also an msnbc legal analyst. barbara, just on andrew's point of what this is, de facto what it means and now that it's in writing and is part of a legal ruling, what it's going to mean and the repercussions it could possibly have going forward. >> i think it's a terrible decision and ashs wrong on its merits. going forward, i think this could actually be a blessing in disguise. it gives...
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msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade is here. former republican congressman david daley is back with us. a lot of this is your body of reporting you wrote. a lot of this is ground we covered on this show as it was happening, but when you re-examine trump's affinity for criminal acts and his constant sort of cognizance of the power of the pardon for himself and the people he was asking to engage in conduct, that even he had this reptilian sense to where he might be criminal, how do you sort of re-evaluate some of the most -- some of the biggest crises you covered in light of the supreme court decision? >> nicole, i'm so glad you hark jeeped back to some of that reporting, both by the "times" and the washington post and myself and phil, because to me there were moments where donald trump was looking to protect himself despite his own instincts about what he wanted to do. he listened to don mcgahn, his white house counsel, even though he was pounding the table at the time in frustration when he wanted to have jim comey, his former f
msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade is here. former republican congressman david daley is back with us. a lot of this is your body of reporting you wrote. a lot of this is ground we covered on this show as it was happening, but when you re-examine trump's affinity for criminal acts and his constant sort of cognizance of the power of the pardon for himself and the people he was asking to engage in conduct, that even he had this reptilian sense to where he might be criminal, how do you sort of...
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attorney and an msnbc contributor, barbara mcquade.igence correspondent ken dilanian. jen palmieri is still with us, as well, along with jeh johnson. ken dilanian, give us a rundown of exactly what this decision looks like and what questions it raised and if you have questions about how long it took to get here. >> good morning, mika. yeah, there's no doubt, there's no sugar coating it, this decision represents a huge expansion of executive power. it presents some chilling scenarios about how the president can now violate the law in the context of official acts. whether it is as bad as the dissenters are suggesting, a president above the law in all cases, i think that remains to be seen. there's a lot of ambiguities in this decision written by justice roberts. a 6-3 decision along idealogical lines, although justice amy coney barrett did not agree with how the majority decided it. she would have been far more restrained. for example, she was okay with using evidence from official acts in a prosecution for unofficial acts, but the major
attorney and an msnbc contributor, barbara mcquade.igence correspondent ken dilanian. jen palmieri is still with us, as well, along with jeh johnson. ken dilanian, give us a rundown of exactly what this decision looks like and what questions it raised and if you have questions about how long it took to get here. >> good morning, mika. yeah, there's no doubt, there's no sugar coating it, this decision represents a huge expansion of executive power. it presents some chilling scenarios about...
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vaughn hillyard is with us along with david jolly and barbara mcquad.han. in total, it's about less than a page. basically, the bottom line is it was supposed to be next thursday, july 11th. now, it's not until september. >> instead of july 11th, it's september 18th. that will take us 48 days before the november general election. number one, this came hours after the decision by the supreme court. and in the decision by the supreme court, it led to donald trump -- >> on presidential immunity. >> on presidential immunity. it led donald trump's attorneys to write a letter to judge merchan yesterday afternoon in which they specifically say under this decision, the official acts evidence should never have been put before the jury. what his attorneys are going to be arguing in this motion is that not that the actual charges brought against donald trump were immune from prosecution, but some of the evidence that was presented before the jury was. because some of that evidence included statements or tweets put out by donald trump that should have never gone be
vaughn hillyard is with us along with david jolly and barbara mcquad.han. in total, it's about less than a page. basically, the bottom line is it was supposed to be next thursday, july 11th. now, it's not until september. >> instead of july 11th, it's september 18th. that will take us 48 days before the november general election. number one, this came hours after the decision by the supreme court. and in the decision by the supreme court, it led to donald trump -- >> on presidential...
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. >> barbara mcquade, veteran prosecutor and former attorney for the eastern district of michigan joinsuld we know about the charges he was convicted of? they are pretty big so we want to know about the sentencing as well. >> they are. as we heard, bribery, extortion, fraud, and even acting as a foreign agent. those are very serious charges. the obstruction of justice charge alone has a 20 year sentencing maximum. sentencing guidelines determine what an actual sentence will be. most defendants do not get the statutory maximum, but i imagine this will be a sizable custodial sentence. this will not be a sentence of probation. this will not be a matter of months. this will likely be a sentence that will be a matter of years. >> you argue that this conviction debunks the republican talking point about the political weaponization of the doj. you make a great argument in the rational world, but do you think this argument is actually going to see its way through? >> probably not to some people. it has been interesting, hasn't it, that we have not really heard a lot of conversation about this c
. >> barbara mcquade, veteran prosecutor and former attorney for the eastern district of michigan joinsuld we know about the charges he was convicted of? they are pretty big so we want to know about the sentencing as well. >> they are. as we heard, bribery, extortion, fraud, and even acting as a foreign agent. those are very serious charges. the obstruction of justice charge alone has a 20 year sentencing maximum. sentencing guidelines determine what an actual sentence will be. most...
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. >> barbara mcquade and dana griffin, thank you both as we continue to follow this trial. >>> now we an msnbc exclusive and it comes to us from tom llamas. we're hearing for the first time from the survivor of a baltimore bridge collapse. llamas spoke with a crew member working on the francis scott key bridge when a cargo ship lost power and crashed into a pillar, killing six of his colleagues. hear him detail how he made it out alive. >> do you remember what was going through your head as you're falling into the water? you thought you were going to die? did you pray, did you scream? >> you can catch the full interview on "top story with tom llamas" on nbc news now. that's at 7:00 p.m. eastern. >>> coming up, the conundrum for kamala harris. how does she defend the president while also preparing to step up if he steps down? to step up if he steps down? why do some things have to be so complicated? we don't know either stanley... but at least when it comes to dental care aspen dental makes getting new dentures and implants easier. with the technology and expertise to give you the righ
. >> barbara mcquade and dana griffin, thank you both as we continue to follow this trial. >>> now we an msnbc exclusive and it comes to us from tom llamas. we're hearing for the first time from the survivor of a baltimore bridge collapse. llamas spoke with a crew member working on the francis scott key bridge when a cargo ship lost power and crashed into a pillar, killing six of his colleagues. hear him detail how he made it out alive. >> do you remember what was going...