lipavsky, in an interview with deuchevely, said that nato and the eu need to discuss the strategy forending the war in ukraine, as mr. lipavsky said, joint debates about our strategy for russia are not being held either in nato or in... the eu. i consider this a mistake. i think we should have that debate. during such a discussion , it is necessary to discuss how the war in ukraine should end. the minister emphasized that ukraine should have the right to vote when deciding on the future peace with russia. lipavsky spoke out, spoke out against the freezing of the war, which, in his opinion, would not bring about a just and durable peace on the european continent. in all these discussions, which are offered by stoltenberg, glepavsky and the grand chaps, one thing is missing. it is not clear how the western partners see the defeat of russia, what, what, what will be considered. what will they consider a defeat, maybe the articulation of this and that goal, maybe somehow it would make it easier for them to decide on that, and what actually needs to be done for this? well , you see, a lot