guinn. >> yeah, jeff, great to hear you, you're a real historian.it's good to listen. and, you know, i wondered i lived in arizona and i lived in missouri and one thing that struck me about say the situation with tomb stone, civil war actually brought because the conflict there you had the former union soldiers, the texans, the cowboys who were texans and even the father -- the father was abolitionist and so it just seems like the war never ended from border states to 20 years later until that generation just kind of died out, you know. you know, that's a great observation. up until the civil war most of the pioneers hitting out west are coming from the northeast because there's so little available land, they want to go and become landholders, have farms and ranches, after the civil war the majority of the people coming west to make their fortunes are former citizens of the confederacy who want to get away from the hated union so now suddenly in the southwest, in arizona particularly you have people moving in trying to get away from any government c