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and josh steinglass is talking up to them. and this is like he's assuming they are smart and he is making rapid, fast arguments, he's not bee laboring it. i know it is a long time. but he's really not. this is quite rapid fire. and his language choice was just so good. >> they're going to go to the anchor story and get a new me if i don't get a break in. everyone stick around. we'll be right back. ne stick ar. we'll be right back. l psycholog. i do a lot of hiking and kayaking. i needed something to help me gain clarity. so i was in the pharmacy and i saw a display of prevagen and i asked the pharmacist about it. i started taking prevagen and i noticed that i had more cognitive clarity. memory is better. it's been about two years now and it's working for me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. for moderate to severe crohn's disease skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections
and josh steinglass is talking up to them. and this is like he's assuming they are smart and he is making rapid, fast arguments, he's not bee laboring it. i know it is a long time. but he's really not. this is quite rapid fire. and his language choice was just so good. >> they're going to go to the anchor story and get a new me if i don't get a break in. everyone stick around. we'll be right back. ne stick ar. we'll be right back. l psycholog. i do a lot of hiking and kayaking. i needed...
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this is one of josh steinglass's best and quickest rebuttals. one of the arguments from the defense, nondisclosure agreements, nothing illegal about them. that is something that happens all the time. josh steinglass goes. you know what's illegal, contracts. you know what's wrong? when you take out a contract to kill your spouse. so it's all a question of what are you doing with the nda, the nondisclosure agreement. what are you doing with the contract? to just have a tag line of ndas are legal leaves -- is really to me talking down to the jurors and i think josh steinglass did a great job talking up to them. >> emily, you get the final word. how much do you think they moved the ball? >> i think they moved it. they elevated the case. they reminded them why they're there. this isn't a tawdry sex scandal, it's about who became president of the united states. >> andrew, emily, katheryn on a big night, thanks to each of you. >>> up ahead, as promised, we're going to dig into the defense, what it revealed, where it may have scored points and why you n
this is one of josh steinglass's best and quickest rebuttals. one of the arguments from the defense, nondisclosure agreements, nothing illegal about them. that is something that happens all the time. josh steinglass goes. you know what's illegal, contracts. you know what's wrong? when you take out a contract to kill your spouse. so it's all a question of what are you doing with the nda, the nondisclosure agreement. what are you doing with the contract? to just have a tag line of ndas are legal...
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steinglass was a little bit like the gift of costello to josh steinglass, which is, there is what todd blanche addressed, and huge problems with what he did not address. as you have pointed out, nothing in any way cogent about exhibits 35 and 36, the handwritten notes. >> they never explained. >> everyone knew. we've been sitting here. we talked about them over and over again. you have to have a theory. if you don't have a theory, your client better be pleading guilty. i mean, you have to have some theory. there was no discussion of hope hicks with any of the damaging testimony, just to use her for some embroidery, but not to deal with the substance. the second problem, david pecker. again, not dealing with damaging information. nothing was said about that. to then say about the access hollywood tape, the only thing you're going to say about it is that it wasn't a big deal? i mean again, you have to come up with a better argument or just not address it, so josh steinglass was just given all these gifts because all of that proved nothing was so -- said, so that was -- i kept on thinking
steinglass was a little bit like the gift of costello to josh steinglass, which is, there is what todd blanche addressed, and huge problems with what he did not address. as you have pointed out, nothing in any way cogent about exhibits 35 and 36, the handwritten notes. >> they never explained. >> everyone knew. we've been sitting here. we talked about them over and over again. you have to have a theory. if you don't have a theory, your client better be pleading guilty. i mean, you...
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instituter josh steinglass insisting he has no control over cohen, adding, "we had repeatedly, repeatedly asked the witnesses not to do that." the judge is asking him to refrain from making any more statements from this case and to make it clear "you are communicating that on behalf of the bench." trump unsatisfied. >> everybody can say whatever they want. they can say whatever they want, but i'm not allowed to say anything about anybody. >> reporter: but trump's lawyers did notch a clear win today. the judge ruling prosecutors could not show the jury a 1999 video of trump bragging about his knowledge of campaign finance laws. >> i think nobody knows more about campaign finance than i do. >> reporter: prosecutors wanted to use to it show trump would have known cohen's hush money arrangement with daniels amounted to an illegal campaign contribution. but the. >> juju: ruled that out telling prosecutors, "you're asking the jurors to draw an inference that because mr. trump knew them in 1999, he knew them in 2016. that's a lot of speculation." michael cohen is on the witness stand here monday
instituter josh steinglass insisting he has no control over cohen, adding, "we had repeatedly, repeatedly asked the witnesses not to do that." the judge is asking him to refrain from making any more statements from this case and to make it clear "you are communicating that on behalf of the bench." trump unsatisfied. >> everybody can say whatever they want. they can say whatever they want, but i'm not allowed to say anything about anybody. >> reporter: but trump's...
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and then josh steinglass says, 49 seconds. so, katie was describing this, having been here in court with this type of moment when the defense has said, one minute and 36 seconds, that is so fast. you can't get anything done in that time. then you walk through something that takes significantly less time and say that does not seem like it was me screaming through it. that seems viable, doesn't it? >> it is so impactful because it leans into the common sense that the judge will read as part of the jury instruction, that they can rely on their common sense to make decisions and course of the deliberations. so when you have the prosecutor get up in a very relatable way and have this reenactment. it was not based on a transcript, but it sounded totally credible the way you just read it and it took only 49 seconds. that is the real-life application of what makes it grounded in their sense of common sense. when you have myriad examples during the course of closing arguments, lawrence talked about it as well. how can you say you didn'
and then josh steinglass says, 49 seconds. so, katie was describing this, having been here in court with this type of moment when the defense has said, one minute and 36 seconds, that is so fast. you can't get anything done in that time. then you walk through something that takes significantly less time and say that does not seem like it was me screaming through it. that seems viable, doesn't it? >> it is so impactful because it leans into the common sense that the judge will read as part...
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so what josh steinglass did is he goes out there before the jury today. any basically times in itself and he says let's try a little experiment. i will be cohen and he fakes a call here. hey keith, how's it going? it seems like this prankster might be a 14-year-old kid. if i text you the number, can you call and talk to his family, see if you can let them know how serious this is it's not a joke uh-huh. >> yeah. >> alright thanks, pal. hey, is the boston hear you can you pass on the phone for a minute? i will wait just a couple of seconds and then he pauses and waits for schiller to fake hand the phone to make trump, and then he goes, hey boss, i know you're busy, but i just wanted to let you know that the other thing is moving forward. my friend keith and the other party that we just discussed its back on track. i'm going to try one last time to get our friend david to pay. but if it's not, it's going to be us to take care of it. uh-huh. yeah. all right. good luck in tampa. >> by when he time it was 49 seconds, which is way less than the 96 seconds of th
so what josh steinglass did is he goes out there before the jury today. any basically times in itself and he says let's try a little experiment. i will be cohen and he fakes a call here. hey keith, how's it going? it seems like this prankster might be a 14-year-old kid. if i text you the number, can you call and talk to his family, see if you can let them know how serious this is it's not a joke uh-huh. >> yeah. >> alright thanks, pal. hey, is the boston hear you can you pass on the...
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how does josh steinglass address that, adjust? >> well, i think honestly we're coming up to the afternoon break time, and the fact that you've got jurors who are a little bit less engaged, perhaps, than they were earlier on this afternoon, that doesn't surprise me at all. but i think that josh is a supremely good trial lawyer and that means he's watching that jury, he's looking at them, he's registering what laura just saw, and he's going to adjust. he's either going to move to a different point, he's going to bring the point home, or, if it's necessary, he's going to say to the judge, judge, this might be a good time for the afternoon break. to give the jurors a break. >> what he's already said, though, is that that call about karen mcdougal is, quote, powerful evidence, makes it impossible for the defense to claim that cohen was acting on his own. he says that that call, you know, shows that the defendant was involved, this transaction was an unlawful corporate contribution to the trump campaign, not only did the defendant know
how does josh steinglass address that, adjust? >> well, i think honestly we're coming up to the afternoon break time, and the fact that you've got jurors who are a little bit less engaged, perhaps, than they were earlier on this afternoon, that doesn't surprise me at all. but i think that josh is a supremely good trial lawyer and that means he's watching that jury, he's looking at them, he's registering what laura just saw, and he's going to adjust. he's either going to move to a...
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josh steinglass yesterday in closing arguments articulated several other falsification of business records including banking info, the creation of those false llcs by michael cohen. the third option is the violation of tax laws, which, again, in closing arguments yesterday, josh steinglass articulated that by grossing up and designating it as income, the money that went from donald trump to michael cohen, that it was a violation of tax law because if it had just been a reimbursement, there would not have had to have been any taxes paid. this is the complicated part of this, but what judge merchan is telling them is all of the facets here that the laws that they are being asked to find whether donald trump was guilty of, and the way in which each of them are tethered together by the top tier that is the falsification of the business record and the causing of that. >> and, vaughn, thanks. charles, wondering, the fact that the judge is repeating in its totality the instructions, pertaining to what vaughn was talking about, and some jurors apparently taking notes, others are not. i'm thinking,
josh steinglass yesterday in closing arguments articulated several other falsification of business records including banking info, the creation of those false llcs by michael cohen. the third option is the violation of tax laws, which, again, in closing arguments yesterday, josh steinglass articulated that by grossing up and designating it as income, the money that went from donald trump to michael cohen, that it was a violation of tax law because if it had just been a reimbursement, there...
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for all the time that josh steinglass been talking today, that was my biggest take away. we have smoking guns you can't say anything about and you have not. >> yeah. and the defense doesn't have any comparable so-called smoking gun. there is nothing comparable to that on the defense side. >> lawrence o'donnell, i know you need to leave it order to sit with us. travel safely and we will see you when you get here. >> on that point, katie. in terms of the overall scope of what each side tried to do, but also the salient points the jury will be able to remember and maybe decisive to them, do you agree with lawrence? >> i want to disagree with everybody's dachshund i want to bring everybody grounded to the realities. the jury never stayed past 4:30 until now and the trial has taken less time than before. this was a long theme but it's real life. this is how real trials go. when you have closings, they go long. that being said, trump is a style, overstuffed guy. i'm not surprised his lawyers are style over substance. you would think todd blanche having his experience would be a
for all the time that josh steinglass been talking today, that was my biggest take away. we have smoking guns you can't say anything about and you have not. >> yeah. and the defense doesn't have any comparable so-called smoking gun. there is nothing comparable to that on the defense side. >> lawrence o'donnell, i know you need to leave it order to sit with us. travel safely and we will see you when you get here. >> on that point, katie. in terms of the overall scope of what...
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if i were josh steinglass, that's what i would do. hitting on the small issues to make sure the juries don't get caught up in things are minor is the thing to do. but you want to address michael cohen for who he is then i think as we've been talking about, note that all of these things have been established by a host of other witnesses. one other thing, too, is that somebody like hope hicks, even though the prosecution called them, they did a good job of establishing and josh did this as well. these are not their witnesses. these are people who are loyal to donald trump. who believe in donald trump. and yet who have still took the stand and provided testimony that was damning and still supported the alleged crimes. those are the things in a good prosecution, that kind of cross, sort of sponsoring witnesses who are loyal to the trump organization and to donald trump, actually can be quite helpful to the jury. >> and he's pointing out while the defense urges you to reject cohen testimony, he never got his sentence reduced. he's still pr
if i were josh steinglass, that's what i would do. hitting on the small issues to make sure the juries don't get caught up in things are minor is the thing to do. but you want to address michael cohen for who he is then i think as we've been talking about, note that all of these things have been established by a host of other witnesses. one other thing, too, is that somebody like hope hicks, even though the prosecution called them, they did a good job of establishing and josh did this as well....
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and what todd blanche was doing here and what josh steinglass did. this was a way to try to raise the murder on the state to really say are you really sending this person to jail? the former president and maybe the future president of the united states? totally improper argument. it was so clear the defense agreed and made no objection to it. they were given an opportunity to object and they didn't. it is because the bell was rung. the jury heard it. getting the curative instruction reinforces it. they are trying to raise the bar for the state. where the end of josh steinglass' summation. he said you know what? he cannot shoot somebody as he has famously said on fifth avenue an not be held to account. i think what he was getting at was the concern the jury will hold the state to a higher burden than beyond a reasonable doubt because he is the former president. he is just like everyone else. he has to be held to the same standard. that is why you saw both lawyers try to figure out a way to play that to their advantage or raise the burden or lower it t
and what todd blanche was doing here and what josh steinglass did. this was a way to try to raise the murder on the state to really say are you really sending this person to jail? the former president and maybe the future president of the united states? totally improper argument. it was so clear the defense agreed and made no objection to it. they were given an opportunity to object and they didn't. it is because the bell was rung. the jury heard it. getting the curative instruction reinforces...
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. >> and this cnn prosecutor josh steinglass right now continues his closing argument in donald trump's hush money cover-up trial. he's walking through the documents at the very heart of this case. after all, it is not a case about an alleged sexual encounter. it is the case about allegedly falsified financial documents. steinglass saying moments ago, quote, these documents are so you almost have to laugh at the way mr. blanche trump's defense attorney tries to explain to you that this wasn't fraud, unquote. cnn's paula reid is outside the courthouse. impala these are documents the jurors have seen before. steinglass is really trying to hammer home a point here by calling them smoking guns that's exactly right. he's been going for several hours now, our colleagues report that the jurors are still very alert watching him intently. >> i his first order of business when he got up was to try to rehabilitate the credibility of michael cohen spent about an hour on that, then spent about two hours on the alleged conspiracy to help trump wins the white house by suppressing negative stories. but
. >> and this cnn prosecutor josh steinglass right now continues his closing argument in donald trump's hush money cover-up trial. he's walking through the documents at the very heart of this case. after all, it is not a case about an alleged sexual encounter. it is the case about allegedly falsified financial documents. steinglass saying moments ago, quote, these documents are so you almost have to laugh at the way mr. blanche trump's defense attorney tries to explain to you that this...
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and josh steinglass just spent, you know, five hours talking about this sort of beginning middle and end of the scheme that he said existed. this is the beginning. and having david pecker also with -- was somebody who to a large extent was not challenged by the defense. one of things that we've been noting is just the unusual nature of not really challenging david pecker and he had damaging testimony, not challenging hope hicks and she had damaging testimony. but stormy daniels, she gets challenged, where it is not that relevant. and so this in some ways is a good note if you're the state because you're thinking i want them to focus on this. but it is also four weeks ago. >> right. >> and the other thing that i think if i were a prosecutor and not a pessimist that i always am and i try to just be rational about it. i would like to -- i would like the note that talked about michael cohen and saying i want to have his version of what happened at the trump tower meeting. because the entire import of the defense summation was don't listen to a thing he has to say. you doent want any read
and josh steinglass just spent, you know, five hours talking about this sort of beginning middle and end of the scheme that he said existed. this is the beginning. and having david pecker also with -- was somebody who to a large extent was not challenged by the defense. one of things that we've been noting is just the unusual nature of not really challenging david pecker and he had damaging testimony, not challenging hope hicks and she had damaging testimony. but stormy daniels, she gets...
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blanche said it wasn't a catch and kill and josh steinglass, the prosecution and his summation said just because they didn't use the words, that didn't mean that is what it was. and you can see from the testimony that that was catch and kill. so, i would be cautiously optimistic if i was a prosecutor. be very looking to, like, thank goodness they are focusing in when what i went to. stepping back, it could be two jurors who want that. a note doesn't have to be all 12. one juror can say i want that question asked. >> you are emphasizing something that really bears a focus here. they are following the plot. the da has the burden of proof, but they are telling you the story, the movie. and, all the questions show people asking about the core origin story of the movie and not something else. if you ever go see a movie, you go see the god father, it's an old movie, really great. and you walk out of there. if they are talking about the main thing of it all, the loyalty. i can't believe the brother turned on him. why did he do that? so they waited to kill him until the mom died? they are follow
blanche said it wasn't a catch and kill and josh steinglass, the prosecution and his summation said just because they didn't use the words, that didn't mean that is what it was. and you can see from the testimony that that was catch and kill. so, i would be cautiously optimistic if i was a prosecutor. be very looking to, like, thank goodness they are focusing in when what i went to. stepping back, it could be two jurors who want that. a note doesn't have to be all 12. one juror can say i want...
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that is the law in new york, and you heard josh steinglass talking about the mountain of evidence, mountain of corroboration, he knew the judge was going to tell the jury that. what's also important about the read back for the prosecution, and they're not going to be talking saying this means we're going to win. i'm sure they're happy. it's their theory of the case that this conspiracy was hatched at the trump tower, august 2015, and donald trump was not a passive participant. he was the boss as michael cohen refers to him. >> testified to a direct conversation. >> it was donald trump who called david pecker, and david pecker had to come out of a meeting. it wasn't pecker calling trump, cohen calling david pecker, it was donald trump, the leader, you could say of the conspiracy. >> daniel? >> i think if i'm the prosecution, i'm very pleased with that read back because what you want to do in a summation and josh steinglass just did a masterful glass of this, you want to give the jury a road map to follow when they get into that jury room. for all the reasons we're talking about with jury ins
that is the law in new york, and you heard josh steinglass talking about the mountain of evidence, mountain of corroboration, he knew the judge was going to tell the jury that. what's also important about the read back for the prosecution, and they're not going to be talking saying this means we're going to win. i'm sure they're happy. it's their theory of the case that this conspiracy was hatched at the trump tower, august 2015, and donald trump was not a passive participant. he was the boss...
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steinglass made the case that the catch and kill scheme could very well be what got trump elected. and here's what he said. it turned out to be one of the most valuable contributions anyone ever made the trump camp i'm pain. does that land to the jury knowing they have to prove what they have to for falsified business records. >> absolutely. he is elevating this case from just the hush money case. to how it affected greatly possibly one of the most important elections we've ever had and i want to compliment the prosecutor on this. he did he did a couple of things that i thought were very important one, he went through the documents and he went through the timeline because that timeline from october 24th, october 28, the text messages, communications, that is the heart and soul of this case. and he went through that very thoroughly, the second thing i would like to compliment him on is he he reenacted some people thought it was a gimmick i liked it he reenacted a 96 minute second. second. that would be along that would be a wrong when it got bowers longer, that would be done in six
steinglass made the case that the catch and kill scheme could very well be what got trump elected. and here's what he said. it turned out to be one of the most valuable contributions anyone ever made the trump camp i'm pain. does that land to the jury knowing they have to prove what they have to for falsified business records. >> absolutely. he is elevating this case from just the hush money case. to how it affected greatly possibly one of the most important elections we've ever had and i...
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. >> reminds me how well josh steinglass dealt with the same issue with michael cohen, who pled guilty to the same crime and said, that can't be used to say because michael cohen pled guilty, that means donald trump's guilty. he used it to say, you can understand why michael cohen is so angry. because he is left holding the bag. >> yes. >> he is not the top of the food chain. >> yeah. >> by the way, we are now in full tea leaf reading. >> we are, i know. >> my tea leaf reading is very much that this is chronology, as well as i'd add to your point about the chronology, josh steinglass, the last person they heard from, 8:00 p.m. last night, he pointed to this meeting and said, go back to this meeting. i cannot stress enough how important it is. part of it is because you have david pecker as a principal, donald trump as a principal, who is michael cohen? michael cohen is, nicolle wallace's term, a staffer. he is not a principal. he's being told at the meeting, you are donald trump's agent. you are going to be doing the work for him. but that -- he specifically said, focus on this. >> yeah
. >> reminds me how well josh steinglass dealt with the same issue with michael cohen, who pled guilty to the same crime and said, that can't be used to say because michael cohen pled guilty, that means donald trump's guilty. he used it to say, you can understand why michael cohen is so angry. because he is left holding the bag. >> yes. >> he is not the top of the food chain. >> yeah. >> by the way, we are now in full tea leaf reading. >> we are, i know....
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. >> i think josh steinglass is going to put together all the different crinology. and we've seen the data from disparate sources, everything from phone record providers to the trump organization itself. so i expect josh steinglass is going to take the jury through how the conspiracy was formed, how we know donald trump himself was not only a part of that conspiracy in a broad sense but okayed the payment to stormy daniels. and then moving onto the period in which he was president, how wee know that he okayed the repayment scheme allen weisselberg and michael cohen came up with and executed the checks nine of them personally to michael cohen in that period. then they're going to take us to the period beyond the point michael cohen was receiving checks all what show consciousness of guilt, in his litigation, in his financial disclosure form and even on twitter that shows he knows full well exactly what this was. it was a repayment, hush money payment to stormy daniels, not legitimate payment for services. >> mary, that's a lot to pack into a closing argument. a lot o
. >> i think josh steinglass is going to put together all the different crinology. and we've seen the data from disparate sources, everything from phone record providers to the trump organization itself. so i expect josh steinglass is going to take the jury through how the conspiracy was formed, how we know donald trump himself was not only a part of that conspiracy in a broad sense but okayed the payment to stormy daniels. and then moving onto the period in which he was president, how...
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but it will be up to josh steinglass to sort of weave this story. i agree with harry. don't bore a jury to death. keep it simple. keep it tight. >> dasha, catherine, and harry, we have some interesting days ahead. thank you all for kicking it off for us on this memorial day. join us for special coverage kicking off 10:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow and don't miss our prime time coverage as well. that starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> up next, decision 2024. two different approaches from the president and the former president as the summer stretch of the campaign kicks off. we're back in 90 seconds. smile! you found it. the feeling of finding psoriasis can't filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't ta
but it will be up to josh steinglass to sort of weave this story. i agree with harry. don't bore a jury to death. keep it simple. keep it tight. >> dasha, catherine, and harry, we have some interesting days ahead. thank you all for kicking it off for us on this memorial day. join us for special coverage kicking off 10:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow and don't miss our prime time coverage as well. that starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> up next, decision 2024. two different approaches from...
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he could have said to josh steinglass, a 4 1/2 hour closing is too much. i need you to cut two hours. he didn't do that. he built his team, trusted his team and knew his team was capable of doing the perfect job they had to do to get to all counts guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and this is the story and in that room was the story of these two kids who grew up in new york. one, maybe the most spoiled brat in the history of american spoiled brats, donald trump. across the aisle from him is alvin bragg. alvin bragg grew up on a block in harlem that is called strivers road. his mother and father met in a small town in virginia in the eighth grade. they went to separate colleges. alvin bragg senior went to syracuse university. they came to new york and worked as professionals and they all have high hopes for the kids and on strivers road, the kids learned if you work really hard in school, really hard, really hard, you will be able to do work that you are proud of. so alvin bragg has been named at this point and for reasons that will never make sense in my me
he could have said to josh steinglass, a 4 1/2 hour closing is too much. i need you to cut two hours. he didn't do that. he built his team, trusted his team and knew his team was capable of doing the perfect job they had to do to get to all counts guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and this is the story and in that room was the story of these two kids who grew up in new york. one, maybe the most spoiled brat in the history of american spoiled brats, donald trump. across the aisle from him is...
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and so i just don't expect that this is going to throw josh steinglass, who is extremely experienced, he's done far more jury addresses than i ever have, i don't think he'll be changing anything, but, of course, he will have a section of his summation that will deal with all of the key arguments that were made by todd blanche this morning. >> and in terms of the last issue that katie brought up, which is talking about sentencing, which was clearly inappropriate and the possibility of sending a former president to prison, will the judge jump in there and try to do a curative instruction to the jury or will he wait for his jury instructions? >> yeah. so, great question. i don't think -- certainly when i was there, he did not jump in. i don't expect just given judge merchan that he will say something before the prosecution summation. but we have not seen the final charge that he has handed out to the parties. and if it is not in there, i would expect that the state would ask for a typical charge that is given, which is to tell the jury that they are not to concern themselves in any way w
and so i just don't expect that this is going to throw josh steinglass, who is extremely experienced, he's done far more jury addresses than i ever have, i don't think he'll be changing anything, but, of course, he will have a section of his summation that will deal with all of the key arguments that were made by todd blanche this morning. >> and in terms of the last issue that katie brought up, which is talking about sentencing, which was clearly inappropriate and the possibility of...
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. >> prosecutor josh steinglass conceded he has what you might consider to be some baggage. the defense calls cohen obsessed a convicted liar and that he cannot be trusted. jurors have seen more than 200 pieces of evidence so far. cohen is the 20th witness to take the stand and is described as the linchpin in this case. if the jury believes him. christiane cordero, abc news, new york. >> coming up here, wildfires raging across canada as firefighters there work to tackle more than 140 fires. and now that wildfire smoke is drifting across the border. details on the impact it's having h concerns in parts of the midwest. firefighters are working to tame more than 100 active fires as harmful smoke crosses the u.s. border. it's so bad. in fact, minnesota's air is considered unhealthy and more states are on alert. abc news reporter tim pulliam has the details. >> reporter. >> right now, western canada is on fire. >> season started again. >> an eyewitness capturing this wall of flames. marching across this highway in the western province of alberta. the satellite images show the wid
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here's what josh steinglass had to say to the jury on tuesday about that quote. so when ami the tablet company spent $150,000 there are $125,000 to purchase the karen mcdougal life rights. >> it made a campaign contribution and david pecker or the ceo of the tablet company, told you exactly that and as he told you, his principal purpose in entering into the nda, the nondisclosure agreement with karen mcdougal was to suppress her story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. >> let me ask you a broader question here that applies to this excerpt. and the excerpt we were just discussing with stacy, both of these about karen mcdougal yeah. >> he's not on trial for anything having to do with karen mcdougal. >> he's on trial for things having to do with someone else, stormy daniels? yes so before i answer, let me just say i also don't know what we don't know if nobody knows noting as has been sight of course the prosecutor is presented the story involving karen mcdougal is sort of part of the start of a pattern of activity related to this sort of conspiracy
here's what josh steinglass had to say to the jury on tuesday about that quote. so when ami the tablet company spent $150,000 there are $125,000 to purchase the karen mcdougal life rights. >> it made a campaign contribution and david pecker or the ceo of the tablet company, told you exactly that and as he told you, his principal purpose in entering into the nda, the nondisclosure agreement with karen mcdougal was to suppress her story so as to prevent it from influencing the election....
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and then the prosecutor, josh steinglass later said, we didn't choose michael cohen to be our witness. we didn't pick him up at the witness store. the defendant chose michael cohen to be his fixed sir, because he was willing to lie and cheat on mr. trump's behalf in this case, there is literally a mountain of evidence corroborating testimony that tends to connect the defendant to this crime from pecker to hicks, to the defendant's own employees, to the documents that defendant's own tweets and rallies in his own words on that recorded conversation, the list goes on and on. it's difficult to conceive of a case with more corroboration in this one, i just want to point out both attorneys misuse the word literally. >> just it's just we were talking beforehand if i should break up a little pet peeve of it. another thing is todd blanche, use the word michael cohen 251 time. so we mentioned michael cohen 251 times. it is closings. he said president trump or defendant 235 times. so more cohen than trump, if you want to know what todd blanche, who he wants this case to be about, right there. >
and then the prosecutor, josh steinglass later said, we didn't choose michael cohen to be our witness. we didn't pick him up at the witness store. the defendant chose michael cohen to be his fixed sir, because he was willing to lie and cheat on mr. trump's behalf in this case, there is literally a mountain of evidence corroborating testimony that tends to connect the defendant to this crime from pecker to hicks, to the defendant's own employees, to the documents that defendant's own tweets and...
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in his final pitch to the jury, which took nearly five hours, prosecutors josh steinglass downplayed cohen's role in the case, characterizing cohen as nothing more than a tour guide through a mountain of evidence, steinglass argued trump choreographed a conspiracy and a cover up in a brazen attempt to pull the wool over voters eyes. trump is charged with falsifying business records to conceal a hush money payment to stormy daniels before the 2016 election, so voters would never know about their affair, which trump denies. it. elected to you back outside the court, a major shift for the biden campaign for the first time, sending supporters to the courthouse, including de niro and first responders from the january six riot at the capitol. >> i don't mean to scare you. no no, wait. maybe i do mean to scare you. if trump returns to the white house, you can kiss these freedoms goodbye. >> the trump campaign responding, accusing biden of sending a, quote, washed up actor to speak for him after months of saying the politics had nothing to do with this trial, they showed up and made a campai
in his final pitch to the jury, which took nearly five hours, prosecutors josh steinglass downplayed cohen's role in the case, characterizing cohen as nothing more than a tour guide through a mountain of evidence, steinglass argued trump choreographed a conspiracy and a cover up in a brazen attempt to pull the wool over voters eyes. trump is charged with falsifying business records to conceal a hush money payment to stormy daniels before the 2016 election, so voters would never know about their...
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they have a mountain of evidence and i believe josh steinglass used that word, mountain. it wasn't just documents, it was witness after witness. witnesses who were associated with donald trump. you know, hope hicks who cried on the stapp and she was good for the defense in that she said that cohen went rogue, but she also was excellent for the prosecution because she is the communications director of the campaign, told the jury what a bomb that "access hollywood" tape was for the campaign. the crisis. therefore, when stormy daniels appears that would be the reason why it was important to hush her up, in order to continue this conspiracy to promote his election by unlawful means, being that illegal campaign contribution. what josh steinglass did -- it was very long, i thought it was too long, but the verdict is not going to be determined by who was longest, it's going to be determined by the facts and the prosecution because it was a week delay, i thought they wanted to make sure that the jury remembered all of the facts in this case that proves donald trump's guilt beyond
they have a mountain of evidence and i believe josh steinglass used that word, mountain. it wasn't just documents, it was witness after witness. witnesses who were associated with donald trump. you know, hope hicks who cried on the stapp and she was good for the defense in that she said that cohen went rogue, but she also was excellent for the prosecution because she is the communications director of the campaign, told the jury what a bomb that "access hollywood" tape was for the...
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josh steinglass gave them five or six different options that kind of fall into three categories. one is violations of the federal election campaign act through unlawful campaign contributions. one is falsification of other business records, like michael cohen's submission of forms to the bank through which he opened the account that he used to pay stormy daniels. the third are the tax forms that the trump organization prepared when they were showing michael cohen's quote, unquote, income, that income of $420,000 that was really the reimbursement to him. you, willie, you, rev, me, lisa, we can all have different opinions on what the unlawful means are, but we all have to agree that there was a conspiracy, that it was executed by unlawful means. donald trump is playing fast and loose here with the concept of unanimity. >> lisa, isn't that, in the judge saying that and breaking that down, isn't that a major blow to the defendant? because what the defense would have needed is for him to say you need a unanimous -- or one of the three or four or all of them? when he broke down that yo
josh steinglass gave them five or six different options that kind of fall into three categories. one is violations of the federal election campaign act through unlawful campaign contributions. one is falsification of other business records, like michael cohen's submission of forms to the bank through which he opened the account that he used to pay stormy daniels. the third are the tax forms that the trump organization prepared when they were showing michael cohen's quote, unquote, income, that...
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prosecutor josh steinglass addressing critics of the case, "you may say, who cares. who cares if mr. trump slept with a porn star ten years before the 2016 election," but adding "it's hard to say that the american people don't have the right to decide for themselves." and the prosecutor acknowledging michael cohen's a complicated witness, saying "the defense goes on and on about michael cohen is immoral or a liar or a thief. we didn't choose michael cohen to be a witness. we didn't pick him up at a witness store. the defendant chose him as a fixer because he was willing to lie and cheat." and the prosecution in their closing argument also bringing up that "access hollywood" tape, directly refuting what the defense had said, arguing "the defendant's primary concern was not his family, but the election." jurors watched it all intently, along with trump's eldest sons and daughter tiffany, who joined him in court today. but notably absent, daughter ivanka and trump's wife, melania. >> david: so let's get live to aaron katersky live outside the courthouse. aaron, the jury
prosecutor josh steinglass addressing critics of the case, "you may say, who cares. who cares if mr. trump slept with a porn star ten years before the 2016 election," but adding "it's hard to say that the american people don't have the right to decide for themselves." and the prosecutor acknowledging michael cohen's a complicated witness, saying "the defense goes on and on about michael cohen is immoral or a liar or a thief. we didn't choose michael cohen to be a...
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and yet, the jury in their verdict today is showing that they understood what josh steinglass meant when he said simply the records are the what. the conspiracy is the why. they understood that. i want to talk about the jury for a second because you guys have been talking about the importance of these 12 everyday jurors, as alvin bragg called them. i want to call back to something todd blanche said at the very beginning of his summation. because it strikes a discordant note with what his client, now convicted felon donald trump, is saying this evening. todd blanche started, you guys, every one of you have been here on time, and we see you paying close attention to the evidence all day, every day, and we really appreciate that. our criminal justice system as judge merchan just told you, is unique. there's not a lot of justice systems in the world like ours where a group of citizens like you actually decide the facts. it's not the prosecution, it's not the judge. it's not a group of judges. it's you all that decide the facts. so this total exhlitation of our jury process by todd blanche, a
and yet, the jury in their verdict today is showing that they understood what josh steinglass meant when he said simply the records are the what. the conspiracy is the why. they understood that. i want to talk about the jury for a second because you guys have been talking about the importance of these 12 everyday jurors, as alvin bragg called them. i want to call back to something todd blanche said at the very beginning of his summation. because it strikes a discordant note with what his...
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josh steinglass, the prosecutor, is interviewing david pecker and this is a testimony from april 25th and at one point, steinglass says so when the subject of karen mcdougal came up, donald trump described her as a nice girl. this is karen mcdougal is the 1998 playboy playmate of the year, who alleges she had a ten or 11 months long romantic and sexual relationship with donald trump donald trump described her as a nice girl. david pecker, yes. steinglass, based on your conversation with mr. trump, did you have an understanding as to whether he was aware of the specifics of karen mcdougal's description of the affair? pecker? yes, i did steinglass. what made you come to such an understanding? i think that michael cohen gave him the i think michael collins spoke to donald trump which he said he was going to, which excuse me, which donald trump said on the phone that i spoke to michael and i believe that when mr. trump said that to me over the phone, that she was a nice girl. i believe that he knew who she was steinglass why would you recommend to donald trump purchasing this story? i bel
josh steinglass, the prosecutor, is interviewing david pecker and this is a testimony from april 25th and at one point, steinglass says so when the subject of karen mcdougal came up, donald trump described her as a nice girl. this is karen mcdougal is the 1998 playboy playmate of the year, who alleges she had a ten or 11 months long romantic and sexual relationship with donald trump donald trump described her as a nice girl. david pecker, yes. steinglass, based on your conversation with mr....
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so i expect that josh steinglass is going to take the jury through. how the conspiracy was formed. hour we know donald trump himself was not only a part of that conspiracy in a broad sense. but okay the payment -- okayed the payment to stormy daniels and how we know he okayed the repayment scheme that allen wisenburg and michael cohen came up with then executed the checks, nine of them personally to michael cohen all throughout that period. and then they're going to take us to a period beyond the point where michael cohen was receiving checks to all the different episodes that show what mary and glen will know as consciousness of guilt. statements that trump made, in litigation, financial disclosure form and even on twitter that show he knew full well exactly what this was. it was a repayment for a hush money payment to stormy daniels. not payments for legitimate legal services. >> so mary, that's a lot to pack in to a closing argument. you know, a lot of what was in the opening which was interesting. it was story telling in an edgy way. that average people couldn't understand. wha
so i expect that josh steinglass is going to take the jury through. how the conspiracy was formed. hour we know donald trump himself was not only a part of that conspiracy in a broad sense. but okay the payment -- okayed the payment to stormy daniels and how we know he okayed the repayment scheme that allen wisenburg and michael cohen came up with then executed the checks, nine of them personally to michael cohen all throughout that period. and then they're going to take us to a period beyond...
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the very documents that josh steinglass told the jury were the two smoking guns in the case. as todd blanche was concerned they just never saw that. it never happened. it was like two different cases you were watching unfold before your eyes. >> they wept on and on, kristy about this retainer agreement was absolutely for legal services because would michael cohen have done everything for free at the same time they were contending michael cohen paid stormy daniels out of his own sort of pocket because he loved donald trump and wanted to stay in his good graces. >> right. it makes no sense whatsoever. and i think the way to deal with some of that would have been you just argued, yeah, donald trump didn't see it because the only way those documents came before donald trump was michael cohen's testimony that allen weisselberg and michael cohen showed those documents to donald trump. just say no, they didn't and focus on that piece. and instead you never got there because, again, it was so -- so unfocused. >> they were always trying to go back to trump's overall innocence in this,
the very documents that josh steinglass told the jury were the two smoking guns in the case. as todd blanche was concerned they just never saw that. it never happened. it was like two different cases you were watching unfold before your eyes. >> they wept on and on, kristy about this retainer agreement was absolutely for legal services because would michael cohen have done everything for free at the same time they were contending michael cohen paid stormy daniels out of his own sort of...
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prosecutor josh steinglass conceded he has what you might consider to be some baggage. the defense calls cohen obsessed, a convicted liar and that he cannot be trusted. jurors have seen more than 200 pieces of evidence so far. cohen is the 20th witness to take the stand and is described as the linchpin in this case. if the jury believes him. christiane cordero, abc news, new york. >> and jury selection began today in new york city in the bribery trial of senator bob menendez. the new jersey democrat and his wife, nadine are accused of taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for political favors and help for the government's of egypt and qatar. he faces 16 total charges, while his wife faces 15. she will be tried separately. they've denied all wrongdoing and have both pleaded not guilty. and after some delays, crews began work to demolish a chunk of the baltimore bridge that collapsed when that cargo ship ran into it six weeks ago, breaking up this debris is critical, of course, in the effort to remove the francis scott key bridge. the section of wo
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josh steinglass claimed that trump was guilty of committing, quote: a fraud upon the american people and even a, quote: subversion of democracy. again, neither are actual crimes, but who cares? sounds pretty damning, right? then there are the biden efforts that happen outside of the courthouse that also could effect jurors' deliberations. now, imagine, you are a juror, and maybe you are just taking a break, scrolling on instagram. and this pops up on your feed. >> people start to focus a little bit more about what's at stake and start to become educated on the issues and the differences between them -- the two men, i believe, that americans are going to choose good over evil. >> laura: oh, no. i think trump is not guilty means i'm choosing evil. well, that's what dr. jill said. yeah. that's despicable. bragg, merchan, the entire biden team are deliberately creating a major constitutional crisis with this case. they knew it from the beginning. biden himself could have ended this lawfare before it began by saying that, look, you know, i don't like donald trump but i want to beat him fa
josh steinglass claimed that trump was guilty of committing, quote: a fraud upon the american people and even a, quote: subversion of democracy. again, neither are actual crimes, but who cares? sounds pretty damning, right? then there are the biden efforts that happen outside of the courthouse that also could effect jurors' deliberations. now, imagine, you are a juror, and maybe you are just taking a break, scrolling on instagram. and this pops up on your feed. >> people start to focus a...
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steinglass will be after lunch. >> and then there will probably be a break during that closing as well. it's yet another reason i think, again, my bias, to keep your closings as succinct as possible. >> it's clear that the prosecution has a long statement to give. it's how you kind of carry that out and is there a danger that the jury will say, got it, enough? >> yes. yes. i can recall -- i distinctly remember my first felony trial where my supervising attorney at one point said, after going over my summation, once we had done it, i got the conviction, but she said you had them about 45 minutes earlier than you stopped. i was, like, oh. she said you have to learn to read the jury as best you can, and it's not easy but imperative. to follow-up on what chuck was saying, i would not be thrilled as most might agree, to be stepping up for summation after lunch. now, he has -- she will have no choice, but it's one of those things where you have to now be mindful of because there's sort of a dip that is going to occur. when you start, that jury will be with you for 15 to 20 minutes, and after
steinglass will be after lunch. >> and then there will probably be a break during that closing as well. it's yet another reason i think, again, my bias, to keep your closings as succinct as possible. >> it's clear that the prosecution has a long statement to give. it's how you kind of carry that out and is there a danger that the jury will say, got it, enough? >> yes. yes. i can recall -- i distinctly remember my first felony trial where my supervising attorney at one point...
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. >> it will be interesting to see how josh steinglass -- who will do the summation -- how he deals with that. i think your point is that he really needs to be an adult about him and say, first of all, the standard argument, which is totally true, the prosecution did not pick this witness. you know, he is a creature of trump world. he worked for the trump organization and this is exactly who they are getting as a lawyer and what would happen with anybody who flips. they are going to have a huge amount of baggage and we all knew that. i think it really will be about, you know, yes, he has bravado, but more than that, does he not really come to terms with his own ego and motivations and can you see through that and is he capable of being, at times, what you heard on the podcast? i think of to be like he is a complicated figure and no one is asking you to like him and no one is asking you to believe he is a truth teller. up one side and down the other the issue is this story. think about what you knew before he took the stand. think about all of the facts up to that point and then let's go
. >> it will be interesting to see how josh steinglass -- who will do the summation -- how he deals with that. i think your point is that he really needs to be an adult about him and say, first of all, the standard argument, which is totally true, the prosecution did not pick this witness. you know, he is a creature of trump world. he worked for the trump organization and this is exactly who they are getting as a lawyer and what would happen with anybody who flips. they are going to have...
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that was the line of questioning to which josh steinglass for the prosecution repeatedly objected. i think the overall tenor has come across to the jury. keith davidson who by his own admission has represented over 1,500 clients in his career was really representing people who are peddling stories that largely dealt with sexual transactions or relationships with famous people but not necessarily a-list celebrities. people like terry baa leia who we know as hulk hogan or charlie sheen and the like. at one point, for example, had a client who was accused of having transactions with tmz to sell information about lindsay lohan being in rehab. keith davidson is fighting for his professional reputation. he's still in practice in los angeles county and really wants people to believe he is a credible lawyer with a litigation practice. if you had read his direct testimony, when asked what he did for a living, he said he was a civil litigator whose practice was in media cases and he had represented some clients swaul assault claims. emil bove is trying to say what you do is basically engage
that was the line of questioning to which josh steinglass for the prosecution repeatedly objected. i think the overall tenor has come across to the jury. keith davidson who by his own admission has represented over 1,500 clients in his career was really representing people who are peddling stories that largely dealt with sexual transactions or relationships with famous people but not necessarily a-list celebrities. people like terry baa leia who we know as hulk hogan or charlie sheen and the...
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i think he told josh steinglass, maybe one of your colleagues needs to hands you a note at 8:00. steinglass got the hint, so he knew he was going to finish by 8:00. >>. >> let me just take you back into what's happening right now inside this courtroom as judge merchan is giving jury instructions. he says we now turn to the fundamental principles of all trials, presumption of innocence, burden of proof, et cetera. merchan, you must find defendant not guilty unless the prosecution has proven defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, even though the defendant is innocent, the burden of proof remains on the prosecution and nothing should be drawn from the fact that the defendant did not testify to the contrary. the people have the burden and they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed that crime. if they fail to satisfy their burden of proof, you must find them not guilty. >> temidayo, how much of this is standard and how much of this so far is unique to this specific case? >> this is standard stuff. i mean, these are your core constitutional rights here,
i think he told josh steinglass, maybe one of your colleagues needs to hands you a note at 8:00. steinglass got the hint, so he knew he was going to finish by 8:00. >>. >> let me just take you back into what's happening right now inside this courtroom as judge merchan is giving jury instructions. he says we now turn to the fundamental principles of all trials, presumption of innocence, burden of proof, et cetera. merchan, you must find defendant not guilty unless the prosecution has...
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i'm thinking in particular of josh steinglass, for example, who has been with the office for decades throughout at least three different district attorneys. i think he would take umbrage as being described as alvin bragg's prosecutor in the same way that prosecutors in the department of justice would take issue with being described as belonging to a particular president or not. that is antithetical to the way that career prosecutors in the federal or state system -- >> you're right, they're not elected into those positions. it's experience that gets them there. >> it's experience, but it's also a civil service job. it's something that trump very much wants to change about the civil service. you'll remember at the end of his presidency, there was this whole discussion about schedule c employees and sort of taking out of the civil as much as a number of jobs that historically have come with some tenure irrespective of a presidential administration. when we start talking about career prosecutors, we are no better than people who talk about trump judges or obama judge. these people have
i'm thinking in particular of josh steinglass, for example, who has been with the office for decades throughout at least three different district attorneys. i think he would take umbrage as being described as alvin bragg's prosecutor in the same way that prosecutors in the department of justice would take issue with being described as belonging to a particular president or not. that is antithetical to the way that career prosecutors in the federal or state system -- >> you're right,...
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. >> in the closing, for example, kristy, prosecutor josh steinglass appealed to jurors common sense and made a whole list of things, use your common sense: the claim trump never had sex with stormy daniels, that the access hollywood tape was not worrying to the campaign at all, and cohen was trump's personal lawyer. that was not money that he was reimbursed for the hush money payment, he was being paid $35,000 a month to do work, even though they never produced any documentation to say there was any extensive work that he might have been done. when they process all of, that when a jury processes all of that, if common sense tells them that an argument doesn't make sense to them, does it make it harder for the common sense to work in that lawyer's favor? >> yes, you have both, as you pointed out, both lawyers are saying use your common sense, but when i think a lawyer fails if, you know, witness testimony that you're saying believe parts of it but not all of it, and then at that point you really do need to use your common sense. for example, you have the access hollywood tape. you ha
. >> in the closing, for example, kristy, prosecutor josh steinglass appealed to jurors common sense and made a whole list of things, use your common sense: the claim trump never had sex with stormy daniels, that the access hollywood tape was not worrying to the campaign at all, and cohen was trump's personal lawyer. that was not money that he was reimbursed for the hush money payment, he was being paid $35,000 a month to do work, even though they never produced any documentation to say...
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josh steinglass, the prosecutor, that is where he told them to focus, at that meeting. that is where the conspiracy was hatched and that is the testimony they asked for. they also asked for michael cohen's testimony to see if it matched david testimony. so that is good for the prosecution, we think. >> so they are on pins and needles and donald trump doesn't get to sit in trump tower, doesn't get to go golfing, can't be typing away on his phone. he has to sit there and show up for deliberations while the jury is in a sealed room. this has to be torture for him. >> yeah and i think we are seeing him act out on social media. trump has historically thought that these indictments were good for him. he has played this as a political trial versus a legal trial. he has made it candidate trump and not defendant trump and this has really backfired for him at least with the civil cases. he definitely thinks he can use this to his advantage, but in the end he is a criminal defendant like anyone else. >> reading tea leaves could backfire on all of us, but i know you have noted that
josh steinglass, the prosecutor, that is where he told them to focus, at that meeting. that is where the conspiracy was hatched and that is the testimony they asked for. they also asked for michael cohen's testimony to see if it matched david testimony. so that is good for the prosecution, we think. >> so they are on pins and needles and donald trump doesn't get to sit in trump tower, doesn't get to go golfing, can't be typing away on his phone. he has to sit there and show up for...
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i want to call back to josh steinglass's closing. when he was talking about stormy daniels, he said her testimony was cringe her story was messy. she was walking, talking proof of the fact that donald trump, who was distinguishing between his own sloppy words and what he considered to be the unacceptable actions of both bill clinton and hillary clinton his opponent, steinglass said stormy daniels was walking, talking proof that donald trump went beyond words. she was in other words, a living embodiment of the motive here: and i think the jurors were very interested in that description. it was like her story basically explained why he wanted to cover it up, all those messy details were precisely why he wanted the american people not to hear what she had to say in all of its complexity and cringeness. motive, which is not required and can be helpful and intent on the other hand which is an absolutely necessary elementary of the crimes charged here, i think is an important thing for the jurors and my expectation having not been in the r
i want to call back to josh steinglass's closing. when he was talking about stormy daniels, he said her testimony was cringe her story was messy. she was walking, talking proof of the fact that donald trump, who was distinguishing between his own sloppy words and what he considered to be the unacceptable actions of both bill clinton and hillary clinton his opponent, steinglass said stormy daniels was walking, talking proof that donald trump went beyond words. she was in other words, a living...