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lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. both were in the courtroom when the trump verdict was announced. also with us, andrew weissmann, former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. lisa, i want to take you back to that moment and to the breaking, the final breaking of that suspense and hearing that first guilty doesn't mean you will hear 33 more guilty's. you have to patiently wait as the verdicts unfold on multiple counts. take us back to the moments when you heard the first guilty. >> i can't even begin to describe the shock i was feeling and you are right to say that while the first guilty doesn't mean you get 33 others, the folks at this table like you know a whole lot more about this case than the general public and one of the things we know is that counts one through four pertained to the earliest checks that were written by the donald j. trump revocable trust, not donald trump personally. those were checks that did not bear his signature. they bear the signatures of one of his sons with
lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. both were in the courtroom when the trump verdict was announced. also with us, andrew weissmann, former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. lisa, i want to take you back to that moment and to the breaking, the final breaking of that suspense and hearing that first guilty doesn't mean you will hear 33 more guilty's. you have to patiently wait as the verdicts unfold on multiple counts. take us back to the moments when you...
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residential historian michael and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. good morning, all. >> good morning. i just want to start with you. i think it's important coming off of this trial for you, if you could, give us some historical context in terms of the rhetoric that trump is now pumping out which is elevated in more animated around, not just the system being rigged, but as we noted in the lead-in, his supporters advocating online by reinforcing this idea that it is rigged with violence. what does this mean and how close is this to the authoritarian playbook being played out before our eyes? >> yeah, we are seeing obviously dangerous chapter that playbook. donald trump has, in a way, always run on the idea of violence as glamorous as violence which is a fascist idea that violence is a way to change history, not elections. there was a reuters articles saying one of his supporters in a chat room says it's time to kneecap some lefties. voting is not going to fix this. what fixes things as violence. when a leader is in distress, his supporters, if they ha
residential historian michael and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. good morning, all. >> good morning. i just want to start with you. i think it's important coming off of this trial for you, if you could, give us some historical context in terms of the rhetoric that trump is now pumping out which is elevated in more animated around, not just the system being rigged, but as we noted in the lead-in, his supporters advocating online by reinforcing this idea that it is rigged with...
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joining us now, nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and criminal defense attorney and former federal prosecutor duncan levin. lisa, probation officer, that interviewed, has it happened yet? >> we don't know if it's happened already. already two things that are unusual. it's occurring electronically, though that's permitted under new york city law and regulations. the second is that todd blanche is going to be at his client's side, and had to get judge merchan's permission in order to make that happen. might ask, why do you need your lawyer next to you, and i'm going to tell you why, the probation department's guidelines for conducting the interview include the listening from the defendant, a statement about their alleged crime, a crime that has led to a jury verdict. if you're todd blanche and your client has three additional criminal cases against him as well as the sentencing coming up, you're going to want to make sure that that statement, if he makes one at all is as buttoned up and circumscribed as it can be. >> because it can be used against
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katie phang, lisa rubin, and laura jarrett., what did you think of stormy daniels, how did she do from actually seeing her live as opposed to reading it cold? >> she did a spectacular job. stormy daniels' testimony did not come across as rehearsed. there was an authenticity to her. whether you liked it or not, because of the sincerity, it didn't seem she rehearsed or practiced. given, she had prepared. and she did a great job. and i think she knew that even though -- i call it a detour, not a sideshow, but a detour, the case took a detour to explore what happened between her and donald trump, because you had to create the foundation of why that payment was made by michael cohen and how it, you know, got to the level of the business records being falsified. but you needed to have that dialogue, and what was really important is everybody likes to say that this is a paper case, but it is about humanity in some way, right? people's courage, people's involvement with others, extramarital affairs, you know, hush money payments. i mea
katie phang, lisa rubin, and laura jarrett., what did you think of stormy daniels, how did she do from actually seeing her live as opposed to reading it cold? >> she did a spectacular job. stormy daniels' testimony did not come across as rehearsed. there was an authenticity to her. whether you liked it or not, because of the sincerity, it didn't seem she rehearsed or practiced. given, she had prepared. and she did a great job. and i think she knew that even though -- i call it a detour,...
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lisa rubin is still with us.s says two more experienced colleagues came to her after she was assigned the case, and said, you know, it's probably a good idea to hand this off to somebody who's done a few trials. >> yeah, and the conversations, katy, i want to say, the way the times portrayed them, they escalated. the first call came from an unnamed judge. we don't have a secure facility for the review of classified information in force pierce. they have one in miami. why don't you take a step back, and allow judge to handle it. judge cannon not receptive to that message. that's when the chief justice of the district, a george w. bush nominee to the court then called her and did have that conversation more directly. and in particular, she mentioned what judge cannon's experience had been after the search. we all forget -- >> after the search at mar-a-lago. >> after the search at mar-a-lago in august of 2022, there were a series of many many months until june of 2023 when the case was indicted. donald trump brought
lisa rubin is still with us.s says two more experienced colleagues came to her after she was assigned the case, and said, you know, it's probably a good idea to hand this off to somebody who's done a few trials. >> yeah, and the conversations, katy, i want to say, the way the times portrayed them, they escalated. the first call came from an unnamed judge. we don't have a secure facility for the review of classified information in force pierce. they have one in miami. why don't you take a...
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joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official, and msnbc legal analyst, chuck rosenberg, punch bowl founder, jake sherman, and political correspondent and msnbc political analyst, ashley parker. you have been on this beat for as long as i have. we saw what happened in 2016. as the rallies got more heated and violent, inside and out. we saw what happened after the election in 2020. and certainly what happened on january 6th. does the electorate need to take these sorts of threats, political revenge, and violent revenge seriously? >> reporter: absolutely. to be clear, internet commentators say all sorts of things, you know, from the privacy of their own homes and the cloak of anonymity and not everyone who makes a threat is serious about it, but i think it would be at the nation's own peril not to generally take these threats seriously, and one thing as you were doing that fantastic introduction, and going through all of those quotes that i thought of was a quote i reported that has since gone v
joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official, and msnbc legal analyst, chuck rosenberg, punch bowl founder, jake sherman, and political correspondent and msnbc political analyst, ashley parker. you have been on this beat for as long as i have. we saw what happened in 2016. as the rallies got more heated and violent, inside and out. we saw what happened after the election in 2020. and certainly what happened on january 6th. does the...
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joining me as legal correspondent lisa rubin.et's start with the decision today which was not surprising. they kicked it on what is called standing grounds. >> standing is the notion that you have to be a person who has been injured to maintain the lawsuit. it goes back to the concept in the constitution that courts can only hear cases or controversies and not imagine grievances. what the court is saying in this decision that the alliance defending freedom didn't have standing to bring the suit and there's a real singers. justice kavanaugh the writing says an organization that has not suffered a concrete interest josh industry cannot go into standing by expending money to gather information and advocate against the defendant meaning the food and drug administration's action. they cannot manufacture standing. that's the good part but as you noted, there are easter egg sprinkled throughout this decision that our gifts to the antiabortion right. in large part because if one side cannot have standing, the other can't d there. one of
joining me as legal correspondent lisa rubin.et's start with the decision today which was not surprising. they kicked it on what is called standing grounds. >> standing is the notion that you have to be a person who has been injured to maintain the lawsuit. it goes back to the concept in the constitution that courts can only hear cases or controversies and not imagine grievances. what the court is saying in this decision that the alliance defending freedom didn't have standing to bring...
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joining me now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. lisa, thank you so much for being here. always come to you with these trump legal stories and ask you to contextualize how big a story it is. you were kicked back on your heels by this story. >> i was texting our producer earlier today and i think i looked like the person in the commercial from the 1980s sitting back in their seat like this. and alicia, here is why. the very fact this story exists is almost as big of a deal as the fact two different colleagues who are colleagues of judge cannon's called her up and asked her to consider removing herself from the case. and the reason is this federal judges have lifetime tenure. they are generally perceived to be able to be secure in their jobs, and they don't talk about one another and their cases outside of school. this is akin to politico's decision to the dobbs draft decision and "the new york times" reporting about all the consideration that led up to dobbs in the first place, the fact the justices had essentially voted among themselves to take the case but concealed that
joining me now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. lisa, thank you so much for being here. always come to you with these trump legal stories and ask you to contextualize how big a story it is. you were kicked back on your heels by this story. >> i was texting our producer earlier today and i think i looked like the person in the commercial from the 1980s sitting back in their seat like this. and alicia, here is why. the very fact this story exists is almost as big of a deal as the fact...
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please welcome laura jarrett, and katie phang, and lisa rubin. they are here with us along with msnbc hosts giving us impressions. lisa, some of these witnesses got a lot of attention. the most surprising witness, the last witness, bob costello. what was your impression of what they did that people might not get from reading the accounts. what >> the most important part that was the demeanor and tone? you cannot get from reading the transcript is the entrance and the exit. they were all brought in from a side door rather than the traditional back door where you walk through the center. here, each and every witness, whether they were hostile or friendly, they had to walk by his first row of surrogates. and those who had counsel, they followed thereafter. in some cases trump wanted to have an interaction with them and in other cases the body language was as hostile as it could be. michael cohen looked like he wanted to vault over the doors so he could avoid being proximate to donald trump. i thought that was fascinating to watch. >> i have a questi
please welcome laura jarrett, and katie phang, and lisa rubin. they are here with us along with msnbc hosts giving us impressions. lisa, some of these witnesses got a lot of attention. the most surprising witness, the last witness, bob costello. what was your impression of what they did that people might not get from reading the accounts. what >> the most important part that was the demeanor and tone? you cannot get from reading the transcript is the entrance and the exit. they were all...
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joining us now is msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin.e learning about this? >> this is remarkable reporting, ana, and the very fact that the conversations even existed is itself remarkable. i want to underscore for you and our viewers, cases in the federal judiciary are randomly assigned, maybe not among the judges in the district, each district has its own procedures for doing so and geography plays into it to some degree. cases are generally randomly assigned unless a finite group of exceptions exist, and here you have a judge who got a random assignment but yet was called upon by not one but two or more senior colleagues to step aside. and in escalating fashion too. in this reporting, what you are hearing from the "new york times" is the first judge who was yet to be named called judge cannon and said maybe it would be better if a miami based judge handled the case because you don't have a secure facility here in fort pierce for the handling of classified information, the government will have to construct one at great cost to taxpayer
joining us now is msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin.e learning about this? >> this is remarkable reporting, ana, and the very fact that the conversations even existed is itself remarkable. i want to underscore for you and our viewers, cases in the federal judiciary are randomly assigned, maybe not among the judges in the district, each district has its own procedures for doing so and geography plays into it to some degree. cases are generally randomly assigned unless a finite group of...
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joining us now, lisa rubin. so, what can donald trump say now? talk about any trial witnesses and he can talk about a jury in a global sense. for example, he was under some criticism for saying that 95% of the jury were democrats. those are the kinds of things he can say about the jury now. but there is a different order that remains in place that prohibits him from mentioning juror names or disclosing their business or home addresses. >> identifiable details. >> correct. those remain, that order remains in place. so donald trump cannot for example go out tomorrow and say lisa rubin was a juror in my case. >> but he can go to the debate stage and say the jury was unfair, i thought they were looking at my funny and they knew they were going to convict me from the start because they're from manhattan. >> and their occupational details. we understood during the jury selection process, if we spoke enough about some of the things that came out -- >> can he go into their political donating history? can he say six gave to hillary clinton? is he able to
joining us now, lisa rubin. so, what can donald trump say now? talk about any trial witnesses and he can talk about a jury in a global sense. for example, he was under some criticism for saying that 95% of the jury were democrats. those are the kinds of things he can say about the jury now. but there is a different order that remains in place that prohibits him from mentioning juror names or disclosing their business or home addresses. >> identifiable details. >> correct. those...
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and, chris, they're not entirely wrong, as far as i'm concerned. >> lisa rubin, thank you. >>> now to the u.s.-mexico border after president biden's new executive action took effect at midnight. nbc's david noriega is along the border in san diego, and so it's been 14 hours since that new executive action took place. are you seeing any changes? >> reporter: short answer, chris, is not many. at least not many that are visible. let's use where i'm standing now as an illustration. this fence you see is the second fence. there is another fence behind it and this area in between the two fences is u.s. soil. once a migrant sets foot on u.s. soil, the u.s. cannot push them back into mexico, especially if they are not mexican. there's a process in place, they have to be detained, taken to cvp processing centers, that has not changed. most of them no longer have access to asylum. nevertheless because there's no agreement from mexico to accept more summery expulsions, we're not seeing the border be shut down or sealed. this is going to take time to show any real on the ground effects. to use th
and, chris, they're not entirely wrong, as far as i'm concerned. >> lisa rubin, thank you. >>> now to the u.s.-mexico border after president biden's new executive action took effect at midnight. nbc's david noriega is along the border in san diego, and so it's been 14 hours since that new executive action took place. are you seeing any changes? >> reporter: short answer, chris, is not many. at least not many that are visible. let's use where i'm standing now as an...
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special correspondent for bbc news, catty cake, embassy correspondent legal correspondent lisa rubin. former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg, and msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos are good to have you with us. >> chuck, i'm curious, your first impressions of what happened yesterday and what american should be looking at and what they should be focusing on as we move forward. >> yeah, is going to be hard, i think, for our very divided country to look at this the way i do. i think it's a relatively simple thing. the government presented a compelling case. they deduced the facts they wanted to produce the call the witnesses they wanted to call and asked the questions they wanted to ask them, and the jury understood the pictures often do. statistically speaking, most juries convict most of the time and that's what happened here. i was thinking about, believe it or not, the national science foundation pole that shows about a quarter of americans -- and this is been consistent over time, believe the sun revolves around the earth. for those of you keeping score at home.
special correspondent for bbc news, catty cake, embassy correspondent legal correspondent lisa rubin. former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg, and msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos are good to have you with us. >> chuck, i'm curious, your first impressions of what happened yesterday and what american should be looking at and what they should be focusing on as we move forward. >> yeah, is going to be hard, i think, for our very divided country to look at this the...
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joining me now is nbc legal correspondent lisa rubin.ed it on what are called standing grounds. what does that mean? >> standing is the notion that you have to be a person who has been injured to maintain a lawsuit. it goes back to the concept that the courts can only hear cases or controversies, not imagined grievances. what the court is saying is that the alliance for defending freedom did not have standing to bring their suit and there are a couple of lines. in one place justice kavanaugh says an organization that has not suffered a concrete injury caused by a defendant's action cannot spend its way into's standing by spending money together information and advocate against the defendant, meaning the food and drug administration's action. that is the good part of this. but as you noted, there are little easter eggs sprinkled throughout this decision that are sort of gifts to the antiabortion right. in large part because of one side can't have standing, the other can't either. one of the things this says is that doctors should not pres
joining me now is nbc legal correspondent lisa rubin.ed it on what are called standing grounds. what does that mean? >> standing is the notion that you have to be a person who has been injured to maintain a lawsuit. it goes back to the concept that the courts can only hear cases or controversies, not imagined grievances. what the court is saying is that the alliance for defending freedom did not have standing to bring their suit and there are a couple of lines. in one place justice...
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let's bring in laura jarrett, lisa rubin, catherine christian. thank you all for joining us on this breaking news day. lisa, give me your reaction to the guilty verdict on all three counts. >> it's not a surprise. yet, there's something unbelievably tragic about the entire trajectory of the case. not only is hunter biden who is someone who publicly struggled with addiction, but the way in which the charges came about was through the finding of the gun, 11 days after he purchased it, the gun was tossed by his then girlfriend and sister-in-law, the widow of beau, in a trash can. when he realized that's where his gun had gone, he immediately took steps for it to be retrieved. that ultimately led to the charges at issue here. let's think about the plea deal and how it unraveled. hunter biden had a diversion agreement on gun charges and a deferred prosecution on tax charges that were interwoven together. the reason it fell apart is because the judge, who presided over this trial, said it wasn't appropriate for her to be the person in the first instanc
let's bring in laura jarrett, lisa rubin, catherine christian. thank you all for joining us on this breaking news day. lisa, give me your reaction to the guilty verdict on all three counts. >> it's not a surprise. yet, there's something unbelievably tragic about the entire trajectory of the case. not only is hunter biden who is someone who publicly struggled with addiction, but the way in which the charges came about was through the finding of the gun, 11 days after he purchased it, the...
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i am joined now by msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin.harges brought by the attorney general of wisconsin today. make the attorney general of wisconsin has done something more surgical, only charging three individuals. you mentioned them by name. but wisconsin is the original sin in some ways because troupis and chesebro were both licensed to practice in wisconsin. they knew one another. in mid-november is when they first get together and chesebro says, i have this idea. he writes the memo and shares it with troupis. troupis says i think this has some traction and i would like to float this with people in the national operation. then sooner than he knows it, kenneth chesebro is in mashed in conversations with people at the center of power in trump world. people like rudy giuliani or boris epshteyn. one thing that is important for people to know is wisconsin is where this fake electors scheme was launched, but it also has particular resonance because chesebro attended the fake electors meeting in wisconsin. he went along for the ride. he t
i am joined now by msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin.harges brought by the attorney general of wisconsin today. make the attorney general of wisconsin has done something more surgical, only charging three individuals. you mentioned them by name. but wisconsin is the original sin in some ways because troupis and chesebro were both licensed to practice in wisconsin. they knew one another. in mid-november is when they first get together and chesebro says, i have this idea. he writes the memo...
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joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and robert mueller special counsel investigationterference in the 2016 election, andrew weissmann. lisa, the interference case, this obstruction charge, what is the scotus case regarding rioters. >> the obstruction charge was generally understood by the department of justice as a catch all that could be used to penalize people who walked into the capitol and impeded congress from meeting that day or obstructed congress from meeting that day through violent acts or otherwise. what the court is saying today is you have to understand that statute in light of the text that comes before it, and that means that the language that says it's a federal crime to impede or obstruct an official proceeding really only applies to things that one does in relation to documents. for example, the creation of false documents. so it's not the case, for example, that it can't be used against former president trump. the indictment against him has a whole section about the fake elector scheme and the submission of those false elector certificates. on the o
joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and robert mueller special counsel investigationterference in the 2016 election, andrew weissmann. lisa, the interference case, this obstruction charge, what is the scotus case regarding rioters. >> the obstruction charge was generally understood by the department of justice as a catch all that could be used to penalize people who walked into the capitol and impeded congress from meeting that day or obstructed congress from meeting...
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joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and former district attorney for the manhattan district attorney's office, and msnbc legal analyst. catherine christian. lisa good to see you, putting a smile on my face in the commercial break. let me ask you about the gag order. there were questions about whether this gag order would stay in place, especially given that stormy daniels, michael cohen, can go out and say whatever they want about donald trump. >> and i should say that what is going on in terms of post trial briefing about the propriety of the gag order is separate and apart from the decision that new york's court of appeals reached yesterday which had to do with an appeal of the gag order during the trial itself. judge merchan can still decide now that not all of the gag order is necessary or that none of the gag order is necessary in a post trial period. and that opinion itself can then be appealed so we have to look at them as sort of two discreet periods of time. one was about the trial itself and now judge merchan is going to be asked to make a decision about i
joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and former district attorney for the manhattan district attorney's office, and msnbc legal analyst. catherine christian. lisa good to see you, putting a smile on my face in the commercial break. let me ask you about the gag order. there were questions about whether this gag order would stay in place, especially given that stormy daniels, michael cohen, can go out and say whatever they want about donald trump. >> and i should say that...
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. >> i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin because lisa, the dobbs decision was really thet big abortion case. so this is a big one after that obviously, justices kind of punting on this specific issue, but for now it means more access or at least the same kind of access that women already had remains here in america. how do you see the big picture in terms of where we are right now when it comes to women's reproductive care? >> i think where we are, ana, is a place that is very dangerous because while this decision preserves for now women's access to mifepristone, you and i both know that it's not the soul means by which women have abortions this this country, and is particularly not the seoul sole need for women who are in medical distress. the texas woman who has become an accidental advocate for abortion care after being denied emergency care in texas, when i think about her, her life is no different now and the lives of people like amanda zerowski are no different as a result of this decision. this decision doesn't change anything about the number of states that are fi
. >> i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin because lisa, the dobbs decision was really thet big abortion case. so this is a big one after that obviously, justices kind of punting on this specific issue, but for now it means more access or at least the same kind of access that women already had remains here in america. how do you see the big picture in terms of where we are right now when it comes to women's reproductive care? >> i think where we are, ana, is a place that...
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nbc's ken dilanian is outside the courthouse in delaware for us, and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin also joining us. ken, talk to us about the defense team's approach to questioning this fbi agent and who else could take the stand today? >> reporter: good morning, ana, we're actually getting really fascinaing insight sboos how hunter biden's lawyers are trying to defend this case by watching the cross examination of this fbi investigator. hunter's lawyer abbey lowell is taking her through a series of text messages and transactions to underscore the fact that while there was a lot of drug purchases in 2018 around the time he bought this gun, but there is no evidence really of drug purchases, more evidence of alcohol purchases. so the question will come down to, again, the language of the form, which says are you a habitual user of drugs. not were you or have you been. that's the argument here that hunter biden's defense team is going to make, at the time he filled out the form, in his own mind he was trying to get clean. it remains to be seen whether the weight of the evidence will s
nbc's ken dilanian is outside the courthouse in delaware for us, and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin also joining us. ken, talk to us about the defense team's approach to questioning this fbi agent and who else could take the stand today? >> reporter: good morning, ana, we're actually getting really fascinaing insight sboos how hunter biden's lawyers are trying to defend this case by watching the cross examination of this fbi investigator. hunter's lawyer abbey lowell is taking her...
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another major trend from this court. >> ryan reilly, lisa rubin, neal katyal, so grateful to have yourd legal analysis. two more still in the hopper this week, thursday and friday. i look forward to seeing you both and all again. >>> just one day left, meantime, until the most critical presidential debate in years, but is trump hoping to steal the headlines with a vice presidential announcement? >>> plus the covert trial of american journalist evan gershkovich begins in russia. the serious charges he's facing after being detained for more than a year already. >>> and later, extreme weather turns roads into rivers. the dangerous conditions in the midwest. when we're back in 90 seconds. plaque psoriasis. she thinks her flaky gray patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. allison! over here! otezla can help you get clearer skin and reduce itching and flaking. with no routine blood tests required. doctors have been prescribing otezla for over a decade. otezla is also approved to treat psoriatic arthritis. don't use otezla if you're allergic to
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thank you, lisa rubin, leah litman, and doug jones. stay close, we will keep our eyes and ears trained on the supreme court, we'll bring the decisions as we get them. also ahead, going head to head, how trump and biden are preparing for their debate showdown next week. >>> plus, thou shall not put the ten commandments in schools. there's a growing legal battle over one state's effort to do the opposite. >>> but first, wildfires, extreme heat and a tropical storm. the extreme weather scorching and sinking parts of this country. we're back in 90 seconds. it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms, like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious called attr-cm, a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist, and ask about attr-cm. always dry scoop before you run. listen to me, the hot dog diet got me shredded. it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to sup
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msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin.w york times" chief who's correspondent peter baker, and "new york times" opinion columnist david french. on the one hand, you have the $50 million ad buy, talking about character and calling donald trump a convicted felon. you have president biden up on sage at a fundraiser, talking about the threats to the supreme court and what he sees as a potential, if donald trump is elected again. expand on that, what's the biden team talking about? >> yeah, i mean, look, if you care about the supreme court, elections matter. had hillary clinton won in 2016, the 6-3 conservative majority on the supreme court today would be a 6-3 liberal majority of the supreme court. it's as simple as that. that's what the president was saying in his fundraiser, these high dollar donors, but also to the larger audience of democrats who may think it doesn't matter much who wins the election because they don't particularly like either candidate. polls show up to 25% of voters are double haters, people who don't li
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nbc's lisa rubin is following this story for us. so why did a georgia court of appeals halt this case and what does it mean for the timing? >> reporter: so, chris, the georgia court of appeals halted the case because that is their standard practice where there is a criminal appeal, it is typical for them to halt all proceedings, but i should note for you that they have halted all proceedings only with respect to a certain group of defendants who are appealing judge mcafee's ruling with respect to fani willis staying on the case. the case continues with respect to a number of others, but where it comes to a trial before election day, it is almost a complete certainty that that won't happen. argument is not scheduled until october, chris, and so this is one more case that our viewers can count on not happening before november. >> lisa rubin, thank you. >>> we go to long island now where two new murder charges have just been brought against the suspect accused in the gilgo beach serial killings. nbc's antonia hilton is following this s
nbc's lisa rubin is following this story for us. so why did a georgia court of appeals halt this case and what does it mean for the timing? >> reporter: so, chris, the georgia court of appeals halted the case because that is their standard practice where there is a criminal appeal, it is typical for them to halt all proceedings, but i should note for you that they have halted all proceedings only with respect to a certain group of defendants who are appealing judge mcafee's ruling with...
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joining me now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. thank you for being here.me to you with the trump legal stories and ask you to contextualize how big of a deal a story is or isn't. you were kicked back on your heels by this. >> i was totally kicked back, text destroyed a producer on our network earlier today, literally i think i looked like the person on the commercials in the 1980s commercial setting back like this. here is why, the fact the story exists is almost as big of a deal as the fact two different judges, colleagues of judge cannon, called her up and asked her to consider removing herself from the case. the reason is is, federal judges have lifetime tenure. they are generally perceived to be secure in their jobs, they don't talk about when another or their cases outside of school. this is taken to the new york times reporting last year of all the consideration that led up to dobbs in the first place, the fact the justices voted among themselves to take the case but concealed that from the public for a long time. the very fact somebody wants to give
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msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin is here. we don't know if this will be the decision the supreme court will ultimately issue. if it holds, what could it mean going forward? >> if this decision ends up, if this document ends up being close to or exactly the decision of the court, chris, this is a 6-3 decision where six justices are saying the decision to even hear the case out of idaho regarding the collision between idaho's very restrictive abortion statute and the treatment and labor act which allows for abortion care necessary to stabilize a patient, that decision would be that the, reviewing the case was not something even that the supreme court should have done. that would kick it back down to the ninth circuit court of appeal. the injunction would still be in place meaning idaho's law could not be in effect as it conflicts with federal law demanding treatment for women who need emergency abortion care. could it live to see another day? absolutely. all the court would be saying was, we did wrong in deciding that we were g
msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin is here. we don't know if this will be the decision the supreme court will ultimately issue. if it holds, what could it mean going forward? >> if this decision ends up, if this document ends up being close to or exactly the decision of the court, chris, this is a 6-3 decision where six justices are saying the decision to even hear the case out of idaho regarding the collision between idaho's very restrictive abortion statute and the treatment and labor...
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joining us now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. where is he going and for how long?i'm not sure we know where he's going yet, but he has to self-surrender on july 1st and he will serve a four-month sentence. one of my colleagues did a calculation today and she said that he is projected to be released, assuming he serves every day of his sentence, four days before election day this year. >> wow. why was he -- why did it take so long to send him to prison? he was found guilty to year ago. >> the judge kyle nichols, the same judge as today found it was appropriate to stay bannon's conviction while he appealed that conviction. bannon said he couldn't have willfully been in contempt of congress because he was relying on his advice of his then counsel robert costello. that was soundly rejected by the d.c. circuit on reliance of a case that comes from 1961, the same case that prevented judge nichols from allowing bannon to make the argument at his trial. still, judge nichols felt that maybe the d.c. circuit would take a different view this time, stayed the sentence. now tha
joining us now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. where is he going and for how long?i'm not sure we know where he's going yet, but he has to self-surrender on july 1st and he will serve a four-month sentence. one of my colleagues did a calculation today and she said that he is projected to be released, assuming he serves every day of his sentence, four days before election day this year. >> wow. why was he -- why did it take so long to send him to prison? he was found guilty to year...
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lisa rubin, i'll start with you. your reporting is harrowing. i'll read some of it. msnbc has obtained photos of the recent and denigrating mailing sent to alvin bragg's campaign address. photos show a hand addressed envelope postmarked april 24th from portland, oregon. they feature three crude enclosures. first features a cut of bragg's face with the word moron sprawled across his forehead as pasted next to a noose and a hand drawn smily face directly underneath. this is what alvin bragg wakes up to, goes to the office and is greeted by, goes to sleep to. and we searched high and low, we didn't find any reaction at all from anyone in the republican party, and that was sort of the point about how -- how numb a lot of people have become to this very real threat of violence. >> that's upsetting, nicolle, that you didn't find any reaction like that and at the same time unsurprising. i also want to note that the communications that you just were quoting my description of were not among those that are addressed in today's filing from the d.a.'s office. the ones that were
lisa rubin, i'll start with you. your reporting is harrowing. i'll read some of it. msnbc has obtained photos of the recent and denigrating mailing sent to alvin bragg's campaign address. photos show a hand addressed envelope postmarked april 24th from portland, oregon. they feature three crude enclosures. first features a cut of bragg's face with the word moron sprawled across his forehead as pasted next to a noose and a hand drawn smily face directly underneath. this is what alvin bragg wakes...
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rubin.we saw you scribbling all over this decision as i was reading my intro. what were you writing down? >> one of the things that struck me about this decision is what it says for the future of abortion cases and not just on the antichoice side. but where it comes to doctors who have traditionally been the litigants in cases where women themselves are trying to get greater access to abortion. the reason that doctors have traditionally been plaintiffs is because pregnancy is short. it lasts for nine months and therefore it is very unlikely that the whole throughline of a litigation can happen while an individual woman is pregnant. and at the end of her pregnancy, guess what happens. she doesn't have standing anymore because her injury is past. it is not actual or imminent. so there are some really bad warning signs here for women whose doctors have been their advocates and pro abortion litigation, here's why. the court is saying in a footnote here, the third party standing doctrine does not
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lisa rubin.trump on this in just a moment, as a personal attack, as president biden ordering his opponents to jail, on and on and on, except when you don't answer a subpoena, no matter who you are in our society just like if you cook the books at your organization to pay off a porn star, to stay quiet before a presidential election, there are consequences. >> there are, indeed, consequences and, you know, willie, there is connective tissue between this and the other issue you mentioned. that connective tissue is robert costello who was steve bannon's attorney, and the attorney on whose advice he allegedly says he relied in ignoring that congressional subpoena. steve bannon wanted to argue, and this was the crux of his appeal, that he was entitled to reasonably rely on bob costello's advice to blow off the subpoena because trump was going to invoke executive privilege. the problem with that is twofold. he was advised that's not what the former president intended to do for steve bannon in part beca
lisa rubin.trump on this in just a moment, as a personal attack, as president biden ordering his opponents to jail, on and on and on, except when you don't answer a subpoena, no matter who you are in our society just like if you cook the books at your organization to pay off a porn star, to stay quiet before a presidential election, there are consequences. >> there are, indeed, consequences and, you know, willie, there is connective tissue between this and the other issue you mentioned....
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i am joined by legal correspondent and former litigator lisa rubin. tell me about these charges brought by the attorney general in wisconsin. >> the attorney general has done something more surgical than we have seen and other states. only charging three. ken chesebro, michael roman, and james troupis. wisconsin is the original sin in some ways because troupis and kenneth chesebro were licensed to practice in wisconsin and no one another. mid-november is when they first get together and he says i have this idea. he writes the memo and shares it with troupis and he says i think this has traction and i'd like to put this with people. sooner than he knows it, chesebro is enmeshed in heady conversations with people who were then at the center of power in the trump world. rudy giuliani are paperlike boris epshteyn. one of the things it's important for people to know is wisconsin is where this fake collectors scheme was launched. it has residents because chesebro attended the fake collectors meeting in wisconsin. he went along for the ride and took pictures
i am joined by legal correspondent and former litigator lisa rubin. tell me about these charges brought by the attorney general in wisconsin. >> the attorney general has done something more surgical than we have seen and other states. only charging three. ken chesebro, michael roman, and james troupis. wisconsin is the original sin in some ways because troupis and kenneth chesebro were licensed to practice in wisconsin and no one another. mid-november is when they first get together and...
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lisa rubin, thank you. >>> alex wagner tonight starts right now. >> there are women already terrified for making choices about their bodily autonomy even though they are not -- people who would be convicted. fear at all levels of american society. first visit to capitol hill since he was president, since his followers ransacked the capitol on january 6th to understand why trump chose to come back after nearly three years away you don't have to look as far back as th you just have to remember what trump has been asking congress to do since his criminal conviction two weeks ago. the day after trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in his new york hush money case, eight republican senators vowed to oppose all biden nominees and all democratic legislation as retribution. today six republican senators led by trump vice presidential short lister jd vance put oppose all nominees into writing. anyone who endorsed trump's guilt, anyone who supported organizations that celebrated the indictment of donald trump, and anyone who supported manhattan s district attorney alvin bragg orn supported la
lisa rubin, thank you. >>> alex wagner tonight starts right now. >> there are women already terrified for making choices about their bodily autonomy even though they are not -- people who would be convicted. fear at all levels of american society. first visit to capitol hill since he was president, since his followers ransacked the capitol on january 6th to understand why trump chose to come back after nearly three years away you don't have to look as far back as th you just have...
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also with us is lisa rubin. everyone a veteran of the trump courtroom. it's not that we cannot break up the gang. it is that there's still more to talk about. andrew, over the course of this weekend we saw the two contrasts that we saw in the courtroom. here is alvin bragg teaching sunday school to kids as he does every sunday and there is donald trump telling fox i could have locked her up. i never said i would, and going on in that deranged way of his. this is after him being convicted on thursday. he is still in some kind of trump mode about this imaginary powers. >> as i said when we saw his comments after the verdict and alvin bragg, they are embodying the two americas. this is a stark contrast. the other thing we saw today in terms of two different americas is that the current president, who is seeing his son stand trial in a federal case where the current president has the power to tell the doj to get rid of the case. he has the power to issue a pardon. he's not doing either because when you think about this, this is his only living son and he's n
also with us is lisa rubin. everyone a veteran of the trump courtroom. it's not that we cannot break up the gang. it is that there's still more to talk about. andrew, over the course of this weekend we saw the two contrasts that we saw in the courtroom. here is alvin bragg teaching sunday school to kids as he does every sunday and there is donald trump telling fox i could have locked her up. i never said i would, and going on in that deranged way of his. this is after him being convicted on...
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joining us now, lisa rubin and paul butler.me out with a statement saying the supreme court order ensures that women in idaho can access the emergency care they need while this case returns to the lower court. what does this mean in practical terms? they are kicking the can down the road. justice sotomayor was furious about not taking a stand. >> yeah. you are right to say that technically while idaho women can obtain abortions in emergency situations, now under this ruling, whether or not doctors will be available to provide them is another question. justice brown-jackson points this out -- >> sorry, it was justice jackson, not sotomayor, thank you. >> her dissent, she says idaho's doctors have to decide whether to provide emergency medical care in the midst of highly charged legal circumstances with no guarantee that this will be maintains. yes, right now, as a matter of law, they can perform those abortions. what happens when the lower court proceedings take up again? what happens if idaho wins the day? can they go back in t
joining us now, lisa rubin and paul butler.me out with a statement saying the supreme court order ensures that women in idaho can access the emergency care they need while this case returns to the lower court. what does this mean in practical terms? they are kicking the can down the road. justice sotomayor was furious about not taking a stand. >> yeah. you are right to say that technically while idaho women can obtain abortions in emergency situations, now under this ruling, whether or...
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let's bring in former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. lisa, good morning. what's your reaction to the verdict in delaware? >> my reaction, willie, is that this is the parmatic, "both/and" situation. you can find that the jury's decision is just. that hunter biden knowingly applied for a firearm understanding that he had been an addict and that addiction is a continuing state, it doesn't start and stop, that once an addict, always an addict, and at the same time, as joe said, you cannot only find this situation to be totally tragic, but believe that it never should have happened in the first place. that the plea deal that was engineered between the u.s. attorney's office and between hunter biden's then lawyers was one that should have been honored. and it fell apart principally for two reasons. it fell apart first because the prosecutors wouldn't commit themselves to saying that the plea deal fully resolved all possible investigations against hunter biden, including those under the foreign agent registration act, stemming from his work in ukraine. but the ot
let's bring in former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. lisa, good morning. what's your reaction to the verdict in delaware? >> my reaction, willie, is that this is the parmatic, "both/and" situation. you can find that the jury's decision is just. that hunter biden knowingly applied for a firearm understanding that he had been an addict and that addiction is a continuing state, it doesn't start and stop, that once an addict, always an addict, and at the same...
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lisa rubin, thank you. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" on this thursday night. alex wagner starts now. >> good evening. there are women already terrified making choices about bodily economy. >> certainly. >> fear at all levels of american society. thank you, my friend. >>> today donald trump made his first visit to capitol hill. the first time since his followers ransacked the capital on january 6. to understand why trump chose to come back now after more than three years away, you don't have to look as far back as the insurrection. you just have to remember what trump has been asking congress to do since his criminal conviction two weeks ago. the day after trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in his new york hush money case, eight republican senators vowed to oppose all biden nominees and all democratic legislation as retribution. today six republican senators led by j.d. vance put the oppose all biden nominees part of that into writing. senators explained they would block nominees including anyone who suggested the trump prosecutions were reasonable. anyone
lisa rubin, thank you. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" on this thursday night. alex wagner starts now. >> good evening. there are women already terrified making choices about bodily economy. >> certainly. >> fear at all levels of american society. thank you, my friend. >>> today donald trump made his first visit to capitol hill. the first time since his followers ransacked the capital on january 6. to understand why trump chose to come back now...
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rubin. they are here with us for the whole hour along with msnbc host giving us their impressions from inside the courthouse. lisa, obviously some of these witnesses got a ton of attention. they may not have been the most important witnesses but stormy daniels, michael cohen and maybe the most surprising witness, which was the defendants last witness, bob costello. i thought that was a huge bomb. but what was your impression of how they did that people might not get from just reading accounts and hearing from us about what was technically said? what was the demeanor and tone people would get? >> i think the most important part about the witness you can't get from reading the transcripts is the entrance and the exit, because all of the witnesses were brought in through a side door to the courtroom instead of the traditional backdoor where you walk through the gallery, you walked through the center well then walked to the witness stand. here, each and every witness, hostile to donald trump or
rubin. they are here with us for the whole hour along with msnbc host giving us their impressions from inside the courthouse. lisa, obviously some of these witnesses got a ton of attention. they may not have been the most important witnesses but stormy daniels, michael cohen and maybe the most surprising witness, which was the defendants last witness, bob costello. i thought that was a huge bomb. but what was your impression of how they did that people might not get from just reading accounts...
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rubin. they are here with us for the whole hour, along with msnbc hosts giving us their impression from inside the courthouse. lisa, obviously, some of these witnesses got a ton of attention. they may not have been the most important witnesses. but stormy daniels, michael cohen. maybe the most surprising witness, which was the defendants last witness, the last anyone heard from bob castillo's. the big picture, what was your impression of how they did that people might not get from just reading accounts and hearing from us about what was technically said what was the sort of demeanor and tone that people might get >> i think the most important part about the witness that you can't get from reading the transcript, or sometimes even watching our coverage is the entrance and the exit. because all the witnesses were brought in through a side door to the courtroom, instead of the traditional back door where you walk along the entirety of the gallery, he watched through the center aisle and walked
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msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin was in court for the trial itself. former federal prosecutor kristy greenberg, former chief of the criminal division and msnbc legal analyst. what do we know exactly about what's happening today? >> at some point this afternoon donald trump virtually from mar-a-lago will be sitting with a new york probation officer who is going to be the one to ultimately file a report he delivers to judge merchan ahead of the july 11th sentencing. as part of this interview, this is an opportunity for donald trump to lay out his background, the fact he has no criminal convictions on his record previously. he's able to go through and answer questions that provide insight to the probation officer to the extend of his financial background, his mental state. these are questions donald trump has largely answered from the campaign stage like he did in las vegas, nevada, at a campaign event. this is a private one-on-one setting where he's next to todd blanche, his attorney, able to make his case. the extent to which he may not regret the acti
msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin was in court for the trial itself. former federal prosecutor kristy greenberg, former chief of the criminal division and msnbc legal analyst. what do we know exactly about what's happening today? >> at some point this afternoon donald trump virtually from mar-a-lago will be sitting with a new york probation officer who is going to be the one to ultimately file a report he delivers to judge merchan ahead of the july 11th sentencing. as part of this...
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starting us off today former general counsel at the fbi andrew wiseman and legal correspondent lisa rubin. welcome to you both. let's just start with you and the new reporting from the times. i do not think i've heard anybody answer this aspect of the case. how unusual is it for a judge to ask another judge to give up the case? in this case two judges waiting and said to stand down. >> it is extremely unusual to have judges ask a judge to stand down. the reporting is that it is the chief judge of the district who would have that kind of responsibility, would feel that sort of obligation. it would not be for political reasons. it would be the fact that the judge is quite inexperienced for a case of this nature. of course, her inexperience showed because she was reversed not once but twice by the 11th circuit in the pretrial phase. that inexperience is showing even if you just thought there was no bias which i think there's lots of evidence for. it even if you thought in terms of inexperience, she has more pretrial motions backed up. we are in the height of the summer. a good way to think a
starting us off today former general counsel at the fbi andrew wiseman and legal correspondent lisa rubin. welcome to you both. let's just start with you and the new reporting from the times. i do not think i've heard anybody answer this aspect of the case. how unusual is it for a judge to ask another judge to give up the case? in this case two judges waiting and said to stand down. >> it is extremely unusual to have judges ask a judge to stand down. the reporting is that it is the chief...
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nbc's ken dilanian joining us outside the federal courthouse, and here with me lisa rubin and catherine christian. ken, take us through this first hearing today. what can we expect? >> reporter: good morning from ft. pierce, ana. the first hearing is about a really esoteric and legalistic issue on the question of whether the special counsel is properly funded under the appropriations clause of the constitution. trump's lawyers argue it's not and, therefore, this case should be tossed, thrown out. i should say that this argument was made in the case of special counsel david weiss by hunter biden's attorneys. special counsel jack smith argues there's nothing improper about the way his offense is funded. there's a little bit of weird history here where special counsels today are funded under an old appropriation language from the old independent counsel statute that doesn't exist anymore, the independent counsel. that's part of the basis of the argument here. what the special counsel argues is that under the appropriations clause, this is perfectly normal and fine. there's a line in the la
nbc's ken dilanian joining us outside the federal courthouse, and here with me lisa rubin and catherine christian. ken, take us through this first hearing today. what can we expect? >> reporter: good morning from ft. pierce, ana. the first hearing is about a really esoteric and legalistic issue on the question of whether the special counsel is properly funded under the appropriations clause of the constitution. trump's lawyers argue it's not and, therefore, this case should be tossed,...
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joining us now is legal correspondent lisa rubin, senior writer mark joseph stern, and law professor and global health policy and author of "policing the woman" michelle goodwin. we have a copy of the decision ourselves now. and lisa, i want to get some logistics out of the way. this copy, and it looks like this, does not look like a normal copy of a ruling we get from the supreme court. what does that tell us? >> it tells me it's not fully baked. it hasn't been typeset, it hasn't been put into the format we pra traditionally expect from the supreme court. there's some steps that had to be taken before this document could be converted into an official supreme court opinion. that doesn't mean that the document is phoney. in fact, the court itself has released a statement saying its publications unit inadvertently posted this today. they are not saying it came from outside the court or not a court document, but what this shows me is we're a few steps short of an official court document. >> they are saying that the ruling will come in due time. they are going to make the ruling. i don't
joining us now is legal correspondent lisa rubin, senior writer mark joseph stern, and law professor and global health policy and author of "policing the woman" michelle goodwin. we have a copy of the decision ourselves now. and lisa, i want to get some logistics out of the way. this copy, and it looks like this, does not look like a normal copy of a ruling we get from the supreme court. what does that tell us? >> it tells me it's not fully baked. it hasn't been typeset, it...
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rubin. for coming in. the appeals court isn't even going to take up the question regarding fani willis until october, lisa. so is it surprising this is where we are in this case? >> it's not surprising that this is where we are given the motion that was made many months ago to disqualify fani willis. if you talk to people, ana, who are expert in georgia law, they will tell you that a criminal appeal of this nature in georgia usually proceeds along this time line and that it also usually disables the court from moving forward with any proceedings. the other thing that i want to point out, though, to you and our viewers is that the case is not paused against all of the remaining defendants. it is paused against a majority of them, those people who joined in the motion to disqualify fani willis on the basis of her relationship with nathan wade and financially what they said she gained therefrom. there were a number of defendants who weren't part of that, and the case can proceed against them. t
rubin. for coming in. the appeals court isn't even going to take up the question regarding fani willis until october, lisa. so is it surprising this is where we are in this case? >> it's not surprising that this is where we are given the motion that was made many months ago to disqualify fani willis. if you talk to people, ana, who are expert in georgia law, they will tell you that a criminal appeal of this nature in georgia usually proceeds along this time line and that it also usually...
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. >>> and joining us right now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin and state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg, as i welcome you both. what is the legal justification for there being hours long hearings on an issue that has been rejected in similar challenges? >> if you genuinely believe no one is above or below the law, there isn't much of a justification. this is a motion that could be decided on the papers, even if as judge cannon seems to believe, this is a novel legal argument that deserves her full attention. what i can't put my head around is devoting more than a day to this. by the way, those hearings that ken was referring to occurring next week, one of those days of hearings is about a secondary argument that also deals with the propriety of jack smith's appointment. it's really like a day and a half of hearings just on the issue of whether he was constitutionally appointed. i'm wrestling with why have those two days of hearings when, as the trump people themselves say in a june 11th filing, this is just a legal argument. they're also using this particular issue
. >>> and joining us right now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin and state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg, as i welcome you both. what is the legal justification for there being hours long hearings on an issue that has been rejected in similar challenges? >> if you genuinely believe no one is above or below the law, there isn't much of a justification. this is a motion that could be decided on the papers, even if as judge cannon seems to believe, this is a...
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lisa rubin and slate msnbc legal analyst dania lithwick. >> nbc news has done a word for word, page bymparison and they say no, it's identical to the one we reviewed yesterday, katy. >> give me the headline for it. the idaho law stays in place and it is protected and is that something that women will be airlifted out of idaho because doctors are nervous? >> there's a fragile detente between the two sides about this and that in the meantime doctors won't know how to make decisions. idaho's doctors will still have to decide whether to provide emergency medical care in the midst of highly charged legal circumstance with no guarantee that the fragile detente. even though it looks like a win and abortion rights advocates are calling it a temporary reprieve, i would dial it back further. you can lose while we win because even though women have the right to have an abortion, if doctors are scared to provide them because they think they'll be prosecuted and later months or years when the statute is upheld, for example, they will not provide that care they will continue to move out of the state
lisa rubin and slate msnbc legal analyst dania lithwick. >> nbc news has done a word for word, page bymparison and they say no, it's identical to the one we reviewed yesterday, katy. >> give me the headline for it. the idaho law stays in place and it is protected and is that something that women will be airlifted out of idaho because doctors are nervous? >> there's a fragile detente between the two sides about this and that in the meantime doctors won't know how to make...
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joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and state attorney for palm? what would the debate be happening inside the supreme court about presidential immunity and these delays are conscious, are they not? >> they are certainly conscious on behalf of at least some of the justices, particularly given their decision to schedule briefing in the way that they did. before the break john and i were talking about the schedule, and i was saying the delay itself is the win. even if we see a decision let's say tomorrow or friday, that is a full victory for jack smith and his team, the damage will have largely been done. it's not clear whether the case can be tried in the time remaining before the election or whether judge chutkan has the will to impose a trial on that schedule. you'll hear people complain bitterly, for example, that the department of juts tis policy forbids taking certain steps a certain number of days before the election whether 60 or 90 days. read very clearly, that policy is about over investigative steps like subpoenas and warrants. it's not a
joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and state attorney for palm? what would the debate be happening inside the supreme court about presidential immunity and these delays are conscious, are they not? >> they are certainly conscious on behalf of at least some of the justices, particularly given their decision to schedule briefing in the way that they did. before the break john and i were talking about the schedule, and i was saying the delay itself is...
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joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, former assistant district attorney with the manhattan office, and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian, and msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquaid. ladies, great to have you. lisa, talk about the verdict. very quickly, it came down within three hours and there was no hesitation. >> there wasn't hesitation although i think you saw some sadness. the juror you were talking to on the phone, when you asked him if he thought hunter should do jail time, he was clear he didn't think he should and yet he felt very much that the conviction was just and the charges should have been brought. so my guess is that there was some coalesce by the jurors. they quickly came to an understanding that where it came to knowingly and starting the question about whether he was a user or addict falsely, he in fact did so and yet, these are tragic circumstances. >> prosecutor david weiss called this a good day. said that everybody should be treated fairly under the law. that hunter biden should get no more special treatment and no less special treatment than any
joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, former assistant district attorney with the manhattan office, and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian, and msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquaid. ladies, great to have you. lisa, talk about the verdict. very quickly, it came down within three hours and there was no hesitation. >> there wasn't hesitation although i think you saw some sadness. the juror you were talking to on the phone, when you asked him if he thought hunter should...