[000:00:00;00] today we agreed with the ministry of education and social science on the creation of a children's youth association of forces in knowledge, competitions, trips to international and specialized internship centers, practice and our own projects under the guidance of well-known mentors in a rapidly changing world, the opportunity to use changes in order to move forward in order to win competitive struggle, and this is the most important task for russia as a whole and for each person. for every young person absolutely exactly and of course, here really. here, uh, the motto that embedded in the name of the organization you are creating is power in knowledge. this is exactly the case when everything is changing rapidly. the winner is the one who better understands how it changes, who can predict where these changes will be tomorrow and in technologies, as well as in communications and human relationships, and in any

development, of course, so. the builders have installed the third span of the left road part of the crimean bridge, the work is ahead of schedule a few days after the giant structure takes its design position, the installation of the last one will begin the fourth element, let me remind you , the repair of the right and most affected parts of the ukrainian terrorist attack on october 8 was completed in record time. at the end of december, it is now followed by buses or cars, traffic in all lanes is planned to be resumed in march. i have it all. well, right now the big game is a special issue of russia and the west , the story of the confrontation between dmitry simes and his guests. on the air of the big game , today we are discussing the confrontation between

russia and the west, how and when it began. and why does it continue and in many ways even is expanding to this day. when we talk about today's situation, it's just some kind of avalanche of news, and every day this news, as a rule, becomes. let's say everything. so more disturbing, but sometimes there is good news. well, it seems like today, uh , deputy secretary of state for political affairs victoria nuland said that if russia takes the negotiations seriously, it will even be possible to ease sanctions somewhat, and victoria nu is known for her gifts. and those who remember know that

in another, and during the maidan in 2013, she appeared, uh, where protesters gathered and handed out cookies to them. well, during this, of course, there were not so many of them. they were not so important, but it was a symbol of american interest and american support for those who wanted to overthrow the legitimate president vladimir yanukovych. but now there seems to be an interest in the negotiations. and if this is serious and if it really means that the sanctions can be significantly weakened. she, in my opinion, did not say, did not use the expression significantly, then this, of course, there would be, uh, significant news. and so, and so the news. mostly. eh, disturbing. uh. at first it was said that a decision was being made on the supply of leopard tanks to ukraine. and what is

most likely. uh, germany will not be supplying these tanks now, and the most that can be expected. this is that germany will allow the delivery of leopards to other countries. such as poland, holland, which already has these tanks in service and were ready to transfer them to ukraine, then it was said that they did not. uh, germany also began to waver and maybe will be ready to hand over her lapards, and then it turned out that in fact not only leopards would be given, but also american abrams heavy tanks would be given , about which it was said a day or two ago that these tanks were unsuitable for the ukrainian situation. they are too heavy, they will not work well in off-road conditions. they are too complex. uh, they will be difficult to use by insufficiently

experienced, and ukrainian military personnel, and so on and so forth, but now, when the decision has been made to supply both american and germanic and dutch like spanish tanks and even, in my opinion, e norway in finland is going to contribute. only we, as it were, had time to master all this news and are trying to figure it out. how many of these tanks will actually be transferred and how long will it take we will find out other good news, which, it turns out, turns out, and now president zelensky is not asking, demanding , demanding that he be given modern combat aircraft. and although the united states is not yet ready for this. well, now we hear that

the government of the netherlands is ready to hand over its combat aircraft to zelensky unless, of course, it receives some kind of compensation from the united states itself today, very interesting experts, people with extensive experience and well-versed not only in the situation in ukraine but also in the big international intrigues around it crisis. i want to start with konstantin zatulin, a well-known state duma deputy who heads a research center that deals with, uh, problems of the near abroad, but also a person, who just knows the region well and uh, who is also famous for the independence of his opinions. konstantin well, when you look from your bell tower, you have several of them, you are in the house, and you have a center, and you have your own, uh,

independent opinion. so you are worried when the bell tower otherwise gives the impression that i have a split personality structure. i'm not grimacing towers. a lot of them. you are simply aware of the possibilities, but look from different perspectives and integrate them in a saunalytic way. thanks for compliment. now tell me, are you worried or not? i'm worried, of course, but it's anxiety. i had before the special military operation. it only intensified at the moment of its beginning and continues to remain, and it seems to me that people look strange, especially experts who would not worry about anything. let's start with victoria nuland. you talked about her recent past, her long past is that in her student years she studied russian, working a whole season on a fishing trawl and she has such a trauma of that period, she was allegedly locked in the cabin, laying it with a chair in order to fight off those sailors who,

of course, were in a lot of nervous trawling. they tried to get to know her better, maybe her problems. uh, with russia started that's when, as far as tanks are concerned. we've been involved for a few days now. even for weeks such a game related to the dismantling of tanks such lego dismantle the tank components of a leopard. find out which of them is better, which of them is worse, in fact, these tanks remain and some promises tanks remain until their appearance an instrument of psychological warfare. that is the very discussion of the possibilities of their delivery of the announcement that they will be delivered. in fact , they should, firstly, inspire confidence. and , apparently, it is required for those who are fighting there in ukraine with the russian armed forces in that they will be helped, that they must hold out with their last strength for the last time. it is they who are not very good at ukrainian troops, retreating in

several directions from the other side. they must, of course, frighten us with their determination to carry out the supply of weapons to ukraine , these tanks are good or bad. this, of course, will only become clear in practice. i do not support those who today are trying to dismiss the danger or, on the contrary , exaggerate it. for us, it is obvious that we must double our efforts, we must triple, we must accelerate. if it is possible, if it is achievable conducting our operations. well, i want to note in connection. with the fact that the notorious red lines have already been transmitted many times, we must conclude for ourselves. firstly, these tanks should in the smallest number, it is desirable not to reach the battlefield at all. and this means that we still need to stop communications, if there was some kind of internal veto to do this, it should not be in connection with this decision. by the way, i'm sorry i'm in peru you mean.

uh, these attempts to deliver tanks should be crossed into ukrainian territory into ukrainian territory is the first thing i had in mind, but i mean something else, if it's still impossible to find out. and who exploded the nord stream is also playing the same game with us, it is not clear who did it. well why should such stories start to happen in the relations of our opponents since they are officially today through the mouth of their german foreign minister, mrs. bergod, she says that we are involved in a war with russia. she says this, she calls it a spade. of course, we must not substitute, we are not going to attack. uh, west on his territory on territory within these states. well, the fact that all sorts of, it seems to me, a warning and all sorts of our own internal uh, some kind of er forbidden forbidden internal taboos that everything becomes

a goal here and can be the subject of all sorts of conclusions of sabotage, anything it's all possible. we must reconsider, as it seems to me, we have introduced this discussion in connection with the appearance of a message in our country that russian companies. well, they continued to supply and continue to supply gas , they put down oil products, but they must carefully pay attention to where they deliver, uh, oil, if they deliver close to the battlefield bulgaria to its refineries or in romania and from there it flows in a stream to supply the armed forces of ukraine , which otherwise cannot get fuel or anything else for their armed forces , at this decisive moment when everything must happen on the battlefield. this must be stopped even at the expense of our economic ties. if you like, because the war is becoming more and more widespread appetite comes with food in our opponents. we naturally have to

endure and lift gloves. i want, to see with us all, uh , the valuable advice that uh gave germany in regard to russia, the first democratically elected president of poland and aqualensa. let's get a look. the germans need to be shown that there have always been problems with russia and we are poles, we know this especially well, and therefore we have a chance during the life of this generation to deal with russia, we will no longer have such a chance, as now the whole world sees the bad behavior of russia, this requires change. the generation will not forgive us if we do not take advantage of putin's mistake, we must convince germans, if our children want to live in peace in the future, we must deal with russia and then with china deal with russia a. then we have to be careful with china. all the time this is not the current, but the former e, the well-known president of poland. well, how to put it this way with the colorfulness

of his statements, a consequence of a locksmith, but at the same time. i hope you agree. in general, it adequately reflects. uh , the mood that prevails today among the polish political elite. yes, i'm here , what if they said that historically here to say something like this, you know, when we come to the art gallery. yes , we are looking at a picture. well, i don't know the last day of bryullov's pompeii yes, here we are approaching a distance of 10 cm, what we see, we don't see anything. we see a separate detail, a piece of a hand piece, legs, some paints, all this is interpreted. so otherwise, as you like, you step back 10 steps and see the whole picture, the artist’s intention, and it becomes clear for you. well, the same relationship. now, if hmm, so to speak, the west and russia well, whatever you like, you can to interpret the historical clash of the west

is interpreted from a political point of view with such and such, but the fact is a fact for the last 200 years. the west invaded russia four times four times, moreover, it must be said that all these invasions set their goals of destroying russia, none of these invasions took place. in fact, local, no matter how he was motivated by the politicians who at that time have. this i have, of course, the invasion of napoleon as they say in 812, then the crimean war, which had tasks. naturally. not easy to take sevastopol a much wider polymerstone, the prime minister of great britain then completely voiced them. it was a desire to cut russia along the volga then, so to speak, and it’s just that sevastopol took so much strength from them that they could not carry it out, but we recall that this was also a coalition of england france italy sardinia which was then

a very large italian state, turkey and austria -hungary, which almost entered the war in the next intervention during the civil war, in which almost all the countries of europe took part hmm and again, the goal was the splitting of russia and, of course, the finale. as they say, that is not the final. now, in my opinion, this invasion of europe under the leadership is taking place. ah, the third reich. you see, whatever one may say, i don’t make russia, i don’t want to say that our country has always been ideal and has never made any mistakes and absurdities , they clearly calculated what was there at the end of the 19th century. we absolutely did not, uh, so to speak, there was no need to participate in a coalition that, uh, the colonials that then invaded china , russia took part in all sorts of beijing and this led to war. and this led to a war with japan. yes, it led to a war with japan. but

i believe that the soviet union at one time rehabilitated itself with chinese help, by the way, by defeating japan in 1945, but the fact is the same. here it is in this story from ukrainian, if you approach it from a distance. that's it in the year, then, yes, scattering started the war. eh, so to speak , the sovereignty of the state. well, let's step back a bit. and you see, the ninety- first year of nato is a military organization from the west is located west of berlin and you see 2022 is the beginning of the end of the xxi even before this nato is not just already, as they say in eastern europe, it is de facto in ukraine. nato occupied ukraine and de facto. in fact, ukraine was already included in the military system of nato. but then it’s completely expansion.

this expansion is the aggression of the west against russia, which, in my opinion , russia has made a lot of mistakes over these 30 years and very much . here is what konstantin fedotovich was talking about. this is, in my opinion, this is part of this resistance that is not yet obvious, therefore it looks completely different. this is the whole picture, but of course the poles and walesa. they they are just they are just uh this idea from the west you in their performance becomes absolutely demonic and categorical, that behind this you can talk a lot about the polish uh japanese inferiority complex about the division of poland in which he took part in russia, but we recall that

this section occurred after 150 years poland was engaged in expansion in relation to russia and smolensk was polish in moscow there were poles and, as they say, and so on and so forth , therefore, it seems to me, uh, for us we need to proceed from this and ours in this sense, uh, reflections must be removed hmm and i i think that konstantin fedorovich is right in the case. here are some really serious answers that need to be resorted to. i am not a supporter of nuclear strikes. and generally speaking pro-nuclear strikes. uh, but there must be some serious measures anyway. therefore, thank you very much. act reapers dean of the faculty of international relations at mgimo and also very serious scholars in populist. i have a provocative question for you. just said. that's about what happened in ukraine about

the promotion. e forces. well, hostile to russia to ukraine and you talked about it, of course, but why are we talking about moving to ukraine no, we don’t say that this is russia why do we keep talking about, uh, what happened in donetsk and lugansk, but we don’t mention that, in general , the leaders of ukraine were separatists, e, who at the moment russia’s weaknesses and at the moment, the confrontation between the soviet russian leadership took advantage of e, russian credulity soviet credulity and in violation of the soviet constitution and all sorts of rules for holding referendums , they organized a referendum in ukraine that

won ukraine from the soviet union, despite the fact that there were many documents, many assurances in the address of the russian leadership on how ukraine will behave and how ukraine will build relations with the e of russia , practically all these promises are written oral were violated, is it worth saying that, in general, we are talking about the fact that although for many reasons, including reasons in public diplomacy, to raise the issue of the return of ukraine today would be stupid and extremely risky from my point of view, but nevertheless. that's when we talk from an analytical point of view. we must honestly tell ourselves that ukraine is a torn piece. e russia in a moment of russian weakness and so that in the long run russia has

the same right to think about reunification with ukraine as the germans had the right to think about reunification west east germany i'm wrong. the fact that the collapse of the soviet union was not prepared at all, but was accepted as a new reality by the russian leadership. not only the first period, but also, starting from the 2000s, it formalized the political reality that was developing on the continent, since it was considered by two generations of our leaders that recognizing the sovereignty of all post-soviet countries. we keep our entire large space from a large-scale civil war, which could, in its likeness, resemble events in yugoslavia and this was created by the decision of the russian leadership. and i am convinced that the current events in ukraine are, to some extent, such a postponed civil

war that could have happened even then. it would not have happened if it were not for the dynamics of the ukrainian political processes and the intention of the west to use ukraine to deter russia from inflicting and strategically defeating the circumstances of our common history is, of course, an essential reason for perceiving all this space as the space of life of one families are the space of relatives, and when we see how , through the manipulation of cultural information, they begin to interfere in the process of determining their future by our peoples, of course, this cannot leave us indifferent and here it is appropriate to quote pushkin's poems that called for looking at the dispute between the poles and russians in that moment, as in the sport of the slavs. leave it to us, it's obvious that

the logic of the conflict that we are now seeing in eastern europe is not exclusively a conflict between russia and the government zelensky, this is mainly a conflict between russia and the west, and if it were not ukraine , but, for example, poland or any other strong militarily counterbalance that could make up with our country, e, come out for sleep or make it much more difficult. uh of course this tool would have been used as an imperfect metaphor. but still, i think it is appropriate to use it. this is the relationship between india and pakistan pakistan and india at the same time, freed from colonial dependence, found themselves in a state of deep rivalry, and for pakistan, the rivalry with the confrontation with india in general has become an obsession and the basis of national national identity. they simultaneously began to develop large-scale military programs,

simultaneously began to earn nuclear weapons and despite the fact that pakistan is 10 times smaller than its neighbor and relative. he continues to be at the heart of all military associations that are anti-dyay in nature and relies in his strategy on the possibility of family clashes, and i believe that in rare the world's borders were as fluid as they were historically fluid in eastern europe and across long historical cycles. i am convinced that we are in the middle of one of them and we are definitely not seeing its final configuration right now. this makes it difficult. even for our university, which, um, is considering the training of specialists. international stragglers, introducing. uh, a list of courses of specialization in

the political system of a particular country. her foreign policy analyzes of foreign policy history of economics and all that affects the nature of how we present these subjects and what emphasis we put in our, and hmm in the study of these countries, but in the aggregate i believe that if it were not for the intention. uh, use the west as a tool for ukraine to confront us. we would not have seen this bloody conflict. now the ukrainians have become hostages of this soap bubble of western promises, which are now using the ukrainian armed forces in the ukrainian armed forces quite instrumentally. the territory of the life of ukrainian citizens in order to sell the peace that will inevitably come at a higher price, and the peculiarities of the american strategy in this situation are that the negotiations will inevitably talk about this now, the us military leadership, but the us has sufficiently secured itself from that from

questions. and what will be the borders of ukraine by this moment and in this, of course, the unfortunate reality for the ukrainian people? i want to say that this is a good example. or from pakistan. most recently, we have through our channels. well at least a couple of years ago a film was shown on the history of this disengagement, the administration of the last viceroy, lord mount betton, whose tenure as churchill's government led to the split of the disintegration of its formerly unified indian colony into two warring states, moreover, one of the reasons that the british government insisted on was to give pakistan a separate independence from india was what was believed to be the indian national congress. he is influenced by stalin and stalin the soviet union through india can

get access to the warm seas to the indian ocean, and so on. need need an angry dog ​​something similar happened from ukraine despite the fact that the difference between india and pakistan is religious. for example it has always been obvious, and between and e, russia and ukraine , there was no such difference until very recently . in fact, i support your main thesis, which is that, in fact, the entire path of independence of ukraine since the ninety-first year. this is the path of betrayal. this is the path of betrayal, because the independence of ukraine could to be deployed in different directions, there were opportunities in the nineties to put it on a normal path. in the presence of an agreement on the implementation of even that limited agreement on friendship, partnership, which we signed in the ninety-seventh year, but from the very beginning it was about creating ukraine as not russia, which very quickly turns into ukraine anti-russia, because it refuses

to recognize the reality of the recognition that that she is russian-speaking recognition that she is multi-directional, multi-tribal from recognition the fact that within this unitary ukraine there is the republic of crimea, a unique case of a federal state, the republic of crimea officially exists on one part of the territory, of course, a fake republic mainly only in name, but the very fact that ukraine abandoned the federal path and followed the path of russian assimilation of the russian-speaking population and the desire to sail as quickly as possible with everything that she inherited, as far as possible back all the time duplicitous in relation to russia, the policy of building her capital and economy on cheap russian gas and at the same time the desire to join nato to join nato, which is not some kind of garden greenhouse community, but a military-political bloc, that is , a clash in this regard became more and more inevitable, the question was only in what forms when will it happen?

did you say, andrei e, that negotiations are inevitable? well basically, uh, i think that's the right question to ask, based on what we can avoid. uh, the most dangerous last stages of the escalation that i i'm sure neither the russian leadership nor even the biden administration wants to, but don't you have the impression that when washington is talking about negotiations? they separate two different topics of talks about where and how the hostilities in ukraine will end and about russia's place in the world and that serious willingness to discuss real normalization, real normalization between russia and the collective west is a fundamental easing.

better yet, the lifting of sanctions is the willingness to recognize russia as one of the e, participants and even architects of the world order, which is such readiness, until washington did not shine, can not be traced. we are at the beginning of a long crisis. and i don't think negotiations to resolve this crisis will take place any time soon, and you are right, in that the united states has the initiative and determines. from the west, they are the main country that determines the moment when they want these negotiations to start the subjectivity of ukraine here is secondary ukraine does not own its own military resources and the means of their reproduction.

now she is fighting on foreign uh, materials on foreign material resources and her subjectivity is constantly decreasing, although uh, you can’t completely dismiss her, but uh in the discussion that took place in istanbul in april and which almost culminated in agreements between the russian and ukrainian delegations the united states and great britain intervened themselves, which made it clear to kiev that now is not the time. let's ah. hmm let's take full advantage of this opportunity to weaken our country in terms of arbitrating a long crisis. then he historical standards. uh can be quite lengthy and not necessarily limited to ukrainian theater , if you think, in the categories that are now thinking, the leading western analytical e, magazines, publications, think tanks, then the pacific ocean is already added to this theater, the united states is trying to create an artificial link between its allies

in europe and its allies in east asia in the pacific suddenly nato, uh, found the excitement to see itself, uh, as an active force in east asian politics and uh, obviously russia china iran in certain contexts are in favor of this western bloc. uh, these key actions by individuals or the goals of their policies? i therefore believe that you are right. er, reflecting on the fact that we will not see a deep settlement and normalization of the security situation in europe until the appearance of this big package deal on how this world should look like, but in the experience of history, big deals were made at a time when from all sides weariness set in or some obvious result of these military

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spam and scammers. there is a big game on the air and we are talking about the history of confrontation, and sometimes partnership between russia and the west. and when we look at the conflict in ukraine, it becomes more and more. i think, and on the other side of the conflict, we are coming to the realization that this is russia's struggle with its, uh, relatively small number of allies and a much larger number of partners and well-wishers and a collective west that is determined not only to win ukraine but also to inflict serious damage on russia, at least in terms of ensuring that russia is no longer a great power and does not play

a fundamental role in shaping world and particular european politics. and when we look at everything that opposes russia today, the thought involuntarily comes to mind that this situation is very alarming. in general, russia is familiar from history. and what? this is not the first time that europe has attacked russia and there were many, of course, conflicts. and during ivan the terrible, and of course, there was the time of troubles, when the poles were their allies. we even got to moscow well, the first big campaign, the first big campaign from the west against russia, is , of course, the invasion of napoleon and it is interesting not only because all of europe is actually all of it , but at least for a while it united

against russia, but it is interesting that the outcome of this conflict was determined not only by the confident actions of the russian army. but also the fact that it became the first patriotic war, the war, that and on the side of the army on the side of power , the people of the russian peasant. determined the results of the war. i want to ask you vladimir rudakov, editor-in-chief of the magazine. why do you think napoleon was able to organize such an invasion against russia only because he was a brilliant commander and was able to conquer a significant part of europe, or there were some other motives for many european states that napoleon didn’t really like, but how to attack russia for

many of them say, especially for poland was a great pleasure. well, of course you right, napoleon was an outstanding military leader and his success on the battlefields of europe , of course, still impresses many, many, but you are right that, of course, under the banner of napoleon in this army in ten languages. as it was called, that is , twenty, but in fact more peoples who came with him, and on the territory of russia , and, of course, were recruited. and this is such a complex organized coalition there. and those whom napoleon drove, what is called force, but there were those who, of course, were ready. uh, solve some local local issues, joining a stronger player , napoleon was certainly a force in europe at the beginning of the 19th century. force is always, of course, unconditionally attractive. eh, it was clear that napoleon e. well, no matter how he plans to occupy russian

territory, it was precisely the invasion that was about forcing the government of alexander ii to actually adjust, but to recognize napoleon's primacy in international affairs. to ensure the interests of france at the expense of russia and beyond, apparently napoleon at least. this is how it is presented. here in the correspondence which he led, but was still going to leave russia in peace, russia subordinate to france to leave peace, but all those who joined him what is called pretty forced, who wanted to take advantage of russia's defeat and many believed that it would be so, because that napoleon was indeed a brilliant commander. and those, of course, you started your interests, russia subordinate to france would be a tasty morsel for very many, and let's not forget the countries in the north of europe that you, on the eve of the war of the twelfth

year, russia ended a victorious war with sweden and made a big acquisition in the form of a swedish province, which became and was then called finland yes, but people in the south were interested in this, because just a few months before napoleon’s invasion, kutuzov signed the treaty of bucharest with the ottoman empire and also quite profitably for russia, it means that there were also quite strong revanchist sentiments. and, of course, they correctly said that a is in the central part of this whole touch. where it was. they were polish territories. uh, of course there were great hopes that napoleon will change. uh, the geopolitical alignment of forces, let me remind you that poland, a-a, was quite actively fighting the legacy of catherine the great, who was in alliance with austria and prussia. eh, on the initiative even i said. austria prussia carried out after all. uh, division of polish lands. and the idea of ​​​​revenge , of course, in the polish minds was perhaps

the most serious compared to all others, and the countries that supported this invasion, associate professor of the faculty of history of moscow state university fedor explain to us how you managed to win russia napoleon we have already established was a brilliant commander. and his army was well motivated two. and there were countries that supported his synthesiasm, and others, as it were, because circumstances required it. but still, let's compare the population of russia and the population of europe, the gross national product of all that europe, which , together with napoleon, invaded russia. how did russia manage to win? well , you can really say, so that napoleon's mobilization reserve was about twice as large as russian historians usually do. they say,

that the territories he controlled. in total, this was 72 million. the russians had 36 million. and indeed an army was created, which e. in fact , europe did not know more than 600 thousand people have never been put under arms in europe. but, uh, only 6 months have passed and such a crushing defeat, which, in fact , has become. this is really a turning point in the entire history of the napoleonic wars, which ultimately led, in fact, to the liquidation of the collapse of this entire empire so here, and even the participants in this war, but literally guessed how this could happen and put forward a variety of reasons and it was said, natural causes were said to be frost. yes, it was said about the kiev tactics of the russians, who do not fight according to the rules,

who, so to speak, retreated, so to speak, to the limit, so to speak. e barbarian, which means they not only surrendered, but also burned their own ancient capital there, and so on and so on, yes, but in reality. uh, without uh in advance. in general, a well-thought-out strategy, of course, is victory would be impossible. and although the russians actually had several strategic plans. by the beginning of the war , the controversy was still going on. yes, as a matter of fact, we will fight, but nevertheless, barclay's plan won, and in this, of course, to say. that's it, he was commanded by a russian. as a matter of fact, the minister of war of russia, barclay de toli, who became the commander of the first army and whose, in fact, the plan turned out to be the most reasonable and which actually assumed really retreats into the depths of russia in order to to be replenished with reserves, but in order for bonaparte to stretch his communications

so that he actually loses more and more people in this campaign. well, it's actually a tactic. and this was the first, in general , success factor for the russians. here, and this car, by the way, e evaluated the body, which replaced barclay a and which led the entire, united russian army, a which gave the general battle. indeed, as we know, yes to say on the borodino field, but a gave it. eh, already. as a matter of fact, then when well, perhaps, there really was nowhere to retreat already behind. moscow was. yes, well, on this borodino field, napoleon, by the way, lost half of his cavalry. and , uh, by the way, uh, when, uh, a few months later, the french had eaten all their horsemeat in the cold. yes, and then they could not restore it in foreign campaigns. here's an interesting thing. it turned out that the war

economy of russia is much more successful than the war economy united against russia and europe that's what happened to 1612 european. uh, the economies were considered more advanced for that time quite right, but uh, the mobilization capabilities of the then russian economy turned out to be higher. and so this late factory was very good. by the way, this is a party. uh, it felt very good, because the russian artillery at one time, yes, to say, lost in 1805 under osterlitz, was restored, and through the efforts of the arakchi minister of war, through the efforts of the next military mr. barclay de tolly, was restored and became the best in the world at that time in 18. the seventeenth year and, accordingly, the combination of all these factors and naturally the people's war and naturally the position of the russian emperor alexander i who refused to sign the peace, unlike, yes, from all the others, so to speak, other

monarchs who are there losing let's say, and some of their territories, yes to say, they were already ready. as a matter of fact, to give up and join, yes, to say, in the composition of this super bonaparte empire, and alexander i, as you know, was not going to sign the world. moreover, he said that he was ready to leave for kamchatka. but he would not sign peace, and as a result , all this gave in totality. strictly speaking, the effect that is already literally. right after the twelfth year, they began to call it the patriotic war. and by the way, at the same time the term people's war already appeared. moreover, with a capital letter narodnaya as patriotic, an amazing thing happened to russian society, which is educated, which separated itself from the common people. for the first time in the twelfth year, she spoke to herself as part of the people, that is, this the consolidation is absolutely amazing, but those people who, in fact, for whom

, er, means french was actually the main language. they began to speak with him from early childhood. yes, so, here, they felt like russians. and this, in fact, led to success. qur'an that's when we look at the current situation europe against russia , perhaps with the exception of serbia well, to some extent, hungary is very difficult. find european countries that would support russia and how would the majority of europe accept american hegemony. but then. e, in 1812-13, europe also recognized the hegemony of napoleon but as soon as the russian troops , as fedor said, as a result of the effectiveness of the russian

model of the mobilization model and the enthusiasm of the russian people and the patience and iron determination of emperor alexander i after all this led to the liberation russia from napoleon as the russian troops advanced deep into europe, it suddenly became clear that, in general, many tolerated the dominance of napoleon, but not so many, loved and even permanent in many cases e monarchical rulers of large countries. i mean the austro-hungarian empire of course prussia, even without that. it suddenly turned out that now napoleon was faced with a united europe. and russia organized this united europe, and now i want to ask you, from the point of view of not only stories, but also

psychology, how this kind of war works, how coalitions change depending on the idea of ​​who fortune favors and most importantly, of course, success on the battlefield. well, who dared? someone ate, as they say, but i think you know that we are all the same. we are the kind of people who are constantly experiencing these illusions, constant in relation to the west, which is very skillfully manipulating them. well, first of all, here i am, well, i understand, here is our dear historians. their look. always here on napoleon's invasion , napoleon wanted russia not to trade with england. yes, that's right, this is the main view. well, in my opinion, it is absolutely impossible to trust politicians so that they do not say what napoleon said both before and after his. as they say already on the island of st. helena, he always said, then, to occupy

a certain place in history. in this sense, i am much more a supporter of the version of leo tolstoy, who, as they say in his already in the final head. e wars of the world. i literally. it's not i can't quote, but the meaning of it was close to me. i understand it, i say. well, you can imagine that one person could tear 600,000 of these different people away from home from their families and make them go to the east. well, it couldn't be done if they didn't want it, it was a movement from west to east. here is the movement. it's inevitable, it's constant it's existential, as they say, and it's like that every time they're already defeated, they did the same thing with hitler look uh, so to speak, it all came down to the fact that the soviet union liberated whom austria

fought honestly on the side of the fuhrer, czechoslovakia, which honestly already today we can say fought with not just not just built, but fought, because the checks the slovaks served the wehrmacht, they simply participated in the war, romania is, well, the soviet union had its own political ones, what can i say, because the warsaw pact, but still this is some kind of internal illusion. e russia that this can somehow be solved? i don't think this question ever. it is impossible to solve it, it can be solved only by the fundamental defeat of one side. here is what the lion of valencia said very clearly. here he expressed the truth in his innocence. carthage must fall. here we are for them carthage but i hope that we are not carthage but, because the ancient romans had another

rival whom they could not break. this is the party of the ancestors of the persians, yes, who as a result defeated them, if he was also constantly existential, well , the same thing here, and in principle, to a certain extent, i even understand western man and europe, because well, look, here russia is a country of resources. so they abandoned the resources, these resources will go east to china, india, for them, the resources will become more expensive, they will lose the economy. not not today, not tomorrow, but within 10-15 years. they they cannot exist without resources. the cassette is so modal resources in which they need so it was always i explain this in this sense, i'm sorry marxism. you know there is interest. there is a specific one in this part, therefore, it seems to me that this conflict is absolutely unfortunate, because well, well, well, in this case, russia is a country a victim of aggression, because throughout

history i can already repeat it is impossible to say that we behaved so well there in china somewhere else, well, in relation to the west, russia has never been an aggressor in that direction. if she came, i would give an interview to a french journalist. he told me, he says, well, you conquered after the war, that's all and i say to him, what kind of naivety of the guys? yes, what are you saying? well, we came in response to the aggression of all of europe led by hitler against us, but they sincerely think so. they justify it all. you understand, and there's nothing you can do about it, and in given here in this conflict, which we are talking about today, it can also be resolved only by the final defeat of one side, but it will not happen. i think, i think, because neither side can finally decide this, because after all russia is a nuclear power. so, ultimately. this will probably again be an unresolved issue for some period if

russia weakens. note that expansion towards russia always takes place at a time when russia is weakening, in fact, during the time of alexander i, russia was not at all like that strong as we represent napoleon won against the elders napoleon nip and lao draw entrepreneurs. he had every reason to consider the european army much stronger than russia, he didn’t say much about the deducted advantage , and they talk about what dmitry said, this is the demographics of this economy. europe was much more powerful, that is, o had every reason to consider russia weak. i am absolutely sure that volodya that his true goal was still in the destruction of russia, well, not physical, but dismemberment, because if it were not so, but these conversations, because because england is all this is all a distraction, because then he had to go. by the way, st. petersburg. why did he go to moscow to go to moscow - it means

to cut the country to cut, and as they say, after that it was possible to dismember again, that is, to create some of these there. i think this was his true purpose, about which he never spoke of course, and which as they say melts into it, but er in my opinion. that's the only way to explain it. this is an everlasting movement. west here to the east repeating. i don't want to look so screwed up. we also had a lot of our own problems with regard to china in relation to the south. there, you know, turkestan . in fact, it cannot be said that it was on our part the way it is said, but with regard to the west, we have never pursued any aggressive policy. and when we came to europe and dominated europe we dominated europe after napoleon after the defeat - this was the result of that exhibition. and at this point, of course, many countries are very skillful, as they say in the more so

russians are conceited alexander i was conceited. so to speak, he liked him and they talked about him there, he went to paris and so on and so forth, well, with this it is such a national character, but as soon as they feel that russia was weakening, the crimean war is the same. intervention civil war. there's a revolution here. right there, like kites, like jackals. we entered here. everyone, even the greeks, even the greeks, and those ships arrived, well, they don’t talk about it. invasion of uh, so to speak , hitler, because then, as you remember in well , you know, so to speak, in the soviet union the british the americans the british gave 2 weeks that he would endure the american all the intelligence of months. they were absolutely sure that the soviet union would fall. just the future president, and the future president of the romanians said that we need to see who wins and then the criminal. well, basically, they were

sure, because well, the soviet union really, and he was really the weak side. here is another important question that was asked. and what helped russia, you know, i 'm here, marxism does not tell me anything. here only god can, because that if we talk like this logically , the race should have lost to both napoleon and hitler and by the way, the crimean war should have been lost in fact, because russia had no roads, there was nothing. remember what crimea was on the other side there was a powerful coalition. no, well, this is intervention. of course, that's what is really incredibly tenacity, as tolstoy said. uh , the distinguishing feature of the russian soldier is this simplicity and stubbornness. here we see, here, apparently, this is the simplicity of his spice. this applies to everyone, not only russians. and to all nations

our country. maybe it can be. eh, perhaps it should be said in this sense that the elite is much more educated than the western one, because our elite has always been more educated, because they have never been interested in us. well, now we know their literature. they know nothing, often encountered. in fact, apart from there, like, as i heard, nothing is known about dostoevsky, do you understand? well, dmitry, i don’t know, you will agree with me. well, it seems to me that our elite is always more educated. e. western elite precisely because western and in fact, she has always been not simple, but he is more educated, but she has always identified herself more, and western elites with western russia did not occur to the elite. well, yes, here is the question. i 'd like to ask, i don't have much time left. that's when i look at the invasion

of napoleon and europe which is well-coordinated. uh, i think that there were very practical reasons, about which you fedoras spoke, well , there was and this one is just a philosophical and emotional need, about which you they said the koran to strike at russia, but what? i don’t see any corrections if i’m wrong, i don’t see the ideological background napoleon’s invasion yes, of course, france started as a republic at the time of the invasion there was already an empire and, in general, i at least don’t see that napoleon there were serious ideological differences with russia but, all the more, there were no ideological differences and the uprusian monarchy of austria-hungary, and now it does not seem that europe has united, that europe

has united under its new identity their new idea that they decided is the last stage, uh, of history and they have feelings, but if you want, divine missions, and this is a very important distinction for me, because when you have disagreements, after all, mostly practically, then find ground for an agreement. eh, of course, it's easier than when a crusade is declared against you. i don't know what you think about this. well, in fact, of course, this is the case, as well as the ideological differences between russia and the west. these are so total. yes, so to speak, they are certainly fixed. generally since the 20th century only. and it is clear that the second world war, the great patriotic war is a natural, obvious ideological confrontation, yes, which naturally ends with the fact that someone must win 100%, someone must

capitulate, and someone must win without any, so to speak, unconditionally. yes and this, in fact, is probably the most dangerous thing in the current situation. and when the west really turns the current conflict into a total confrontation, including just an ideological one, which means that the war will not to life, but to death, and this means that, by and large, yes, and one of these subjects, yes, must suffer a really crushing defeat. and at the same time, i would say, so taking into account. here, as it seems to me, this is all america's strategic task to exhaust europe's resources in this confrontation. europe has a very serious chance to suffer a strategic and maybe even final defeat in this confrontation, because of all

the ideological confrontations of the 20th century, europe as you know it happened. well, in fact , what is called the suicide of europe happened, that's what happened as a result of two world wars, especially world war ii. yes, when europe unites in the name of some values ​​it goes to russia goes to the east suffers a crushing defeat and europe ceases to be centric . here is my impression now that this is the decline of europe-centricity in the world. it is now on the rise, and now, and europe may not get out of this confrontation at all her. maybe not become like a subject. america will remain russia will remain. i can hardly imagine the situation, so that indeed russia simply would not become too big. but what will happen to europe? to be honest, i even refuse. so to say

, i can’t imagine not having enough imagination, vladimir dmitry to speed up. yes, you mentioned ideology. it seems to me that if we look at the year 1812 41 on the current circumstances of different eras and in an ideological sense, it seems that it is impossible to compare. and yet. i think there is a common trait is the ideology of superiority. i may even say such a harsh word superiority. yes, the look of the colonialist on everyone else was characteristic of the invasion of polion, of course, this was also characteristic of hitler. we know a lot about this. but we are seeing this now, it is to the same extent, because this is what the imposition of values ​​is going on. it is based precisely on the fact that the values ​​that are imposed above are better and more interesting and everyone should join them. this is the idea of ​​superiority. this idea of ​​superiority. i think it's just me too agree. with volodya, you know, they are for them. we are always for them, it's all the same. and what kind of

ideological divergence do they have with the indians, or there are none with the chinese either, but we are different for them. it's so they can be really cute sometimes. it's but it's internal racism. it seems to me that it is inherent in the west, and i remember that i read an interesting book there that was published in our country. uh, the war of the twelfth year through the eyes of the french, we had a two-volume book. i don't know, you saw them. well, it's amazing there are really simple french people there. well officers, well that's simple, but this you can see just through every line you can see that for them russians are barbarians, this is something else, this is absolutely this is not lower people. they can't hide it. this is at the level of politicians there. maybe all this acquires some charms, so it seems to me, yes, in this sense, unfortunately, this internal racism. well, you remember, he’s not great at all, in general, this one he

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presents the sixty-fourth reception unauthorized entry of the yacht ariadne dangerous collision of ostankers urgently leo what did you take? well, look, they drilled a hole, then filled it with superglue. what's happened? so why are we going to grandma's? congratulations. how are you feeling? normal, as always a goat? i will no longer leave your wife for

a conversation if it turns out that the father yes, and married official. see all series. alexander on air big game we just discussed napoleon's invasion of russia how bravo did this invasion begin and how sadly

ended for napoleon? but after that, there was a relatively long peace in europe. of course, the contradictions between individual states were revolutions, which , among other things, sometimes helped to crush russia, as , for example, in the case of the hungarian revolution, where tsar nicholas played a big role in maintaining order, naturally, using the russian army, but next big war - it was the crimean war. and in general , formally, the reason for the crimean war was rather local disagreements between russia and turkey between russia and the ataman empire. but i personally can't imagine that things would have come to a big clash, much less a clash that extended to russian territory. i

'm talking about crimea, about sevastopol if it weren't for the role of great britain and if great britain didn't turn out to be supported by france, in which, in general, russia had not such bad relations. yes, and then in general to them austria-hungary joined. the one that just received support from nicholas i. i want to ask you sergey vyacheslavovich perevezentsev, doctor of historical sciences, how do you assess the motives of the western powers when they started this war against russia for the sake of what they went for it. i don’t think that in mainly due to wondering in turkey well , i remind you that the war officially began in 1853, well, about 15 years before, all of europe was flooded with anti-russian propaganda

, preserved in a huge amount of various. i would even say even such vile leaflets that were distributed throughout europe, the texts that were written at that time have been preserved. here we have now prepared a three-volume book on russophobia. and in particular. we will publish it all to show how to cook it all. why? i say this, because the victory in the patriotic war of the twelfth year and the defeat. napoleon led to the fact that russia began to dominate europe russia became the most powerful power in europe, the most influential and, in fact, dictated its politics. you are absolutely right. they said that when the revolution broke out in france, uh, in germany, uh, the phrase was wonderful in its time. e, sovereign nicholas, e, sticks of nicholas i , when he learned about one of the revolutions in france, he went out to his officers and said, lord officers, saddle your horses in france of the revolution, that is, e, sovereign. e, russian

nikolai pavlovich a thought of himself as a defender of the traditional order, a defender of traditional monarchies. and what is very important in the protector, orthodoxy e. for the first time in many decades a person who was an orthodox person and personally was an orthodox person came to the throne. and he thought of himself as a defender of orthodoxy, and in this respect his policy was quite the same. stkaya and and , when in the years of the european revolutions of the forty -eighth forty-ninth years, at the request of the austrian emperor, russian troops under the command of our paskevich entered hungary and in a short time completely finished with this ball. what did it start after? in just a few years, literally, a revolution is a war against russia of several countries at once, and when in the russian-turkish war, in fact

, england entered france, clinging to them the kingdom of sicily of both sicilies, sir, nikolai pavlovich said, i'm not verbatim. but i think it confirms my thoughts. e that i knew that europe would never forgive us for the fact that we saved it from the revolution, and in this regard, the fact that europe took up arms against e, you know russia is still by and large, not the crimean war, the crimean war is conditional name. it was a war, uh, catholic protestant europe against orthodox russia. and i remind you that hostilities they were fought as in the north, as in the far east they were fought in the caucasus in this respect too. ah, moreover, they could break out in europe, because the actual defeat in sevastopol was largely due to the fact that 200,000 russian troops stood on the austrian border. and uh, couldn't participate.

in fact, in battles, because she betrayed russia, well, this is the question of what tsar nikolai, e, was the first to say, and in this respect i will repeat myself as soon as it broke out. here is this vile vile, anti-russian russo- frankly russophobic propaganda in europe already then e became. it is clear that there is a big war going on. and, uh, russia was preparing for it. yes, there were not enough technical means. yes, uh, uh, the english had more steamboats. moreover , not even wheeled steamers, but screw steamers of much more modern technology. yes, there were much more rifled and barreled and personal weapons. yes, they were. eh, more such, perhaps, prepared, and

economic and france and england for such battles, but that's not the point, in my opinion. here are the problems. in addition, i remind you that you said what e means, or somewhere such a traditional idea that russia was defeated in the crimean war, but i remind you that in the north the british were defeated in the far east , they were defeated, and in the caucasus the turks were practically defeated. and now, if it were not for betrayal, austria, if it were not for what had to be held for so long and such huge troops to be kept on austria on the border with austria-hungary. hmm, it's quite possible that the war would have unfolded quite differently. yes, and technically , our country has pulled itself up during the years of the crimean war. i remember, i will remind you that on the roads of kronstadt, it was ours, the sailors for the first time, who used minefields.

moreover, there was such a tragic story on the one hand, on the other hand, when the british fished out several mines and one of the commanding ships decided to show exactly how it works. he pulled the lever, his hand was torn off, and there several officers died as a result, and these hmm, including the technical successes of russia, they, no doubt , they were at least they were not enough. alexander andreevich prokhanov outstanding the writer is a historian and a person with his uh, very important and uh, unique vision of russian history, and i have a specific question for you. uh, like russia agreed to the terms of the world, you can call this defeat, we cry out for such a compromise, well, in general, it suited great britain and france, then nicholas i dies, and

his son alexander ii becomes emperor and begins liberal reforms, which it would seem would have to fit into the sense of beauty on the then collective commandment. and now an uprising arises in poland, and again the whole europe and, first of all, france is completely on the side of poland . well, actually, they were not always on the side of the revolution. cannot be explained. uh, you can't explain their teenagers anymore with some kind of, uh, universal romanticism. why are they so up in arms? uh, it was generally clear to russia that, uh, the russian empire was a very serious challenge. they seemed to

fully recognize the legitimacy of this empire. in general, here is the cockerel that crowned the roof of the russian tsar or the russian prince and began how much to nut and beat with korls at the moment of the procession, he did not sleep throughout russian history e, he never shouted and crowed day and night, and he was especially worried when he looked to the west, and he saw that on the west is going to another walkie-talkie and the west is continuous throughout. centuries, and maybe even a millennium, if you look there beyond the limits of our historical vision, moved here to you to the east. he believes that he moved there in order to seize the land that we they were lacking in the west and fertile lands and black soil, we ukrainians are just the space between our great rivers and lakes. that he was moving here in order to get

resources, well, now oil, gas, gold, russian, diamonds, russian fluff, that he was worried about these russian riches. probably you worried and worried the royal treasury of diamonds in stone caves. and when accounted for the gold salaries of the cyclone. they, uh, robbed the chests, carried huge quantities to themselves. everything, this is so and all this really lends itself to political science military economic and political understanding. in all this, we see some meaningful explanation for all this. and yet, beyond these explanations, there is some kind of mystery, some kind of mystery, some blind blind force that is leading here, uh, western

western civilization or the western world for these continuous centuries, changing the association, what is changing. kings and ways of life are changing, economic forms are changing, the type of weapons is changing, but the west is still like lava moving there russia what is it? it's hard to understand unless to develop with the fact that the war and the fight takes place not only at the level of armies, only at the level of propaganda , not only at the level of culture, not only at the level of large economic models or large or super-large political projects, but the war also takes place at the level of metaphysical religious meanings, because this sphere, and as a rule, does not fall into the field of view, e high-headed political scientists and scientists, and there in the heavens in the inters there are fights, the most severe fights and maybe these sweet ones are projected into the earthly plane.

here arise battles here arise victories here arise monstrous defeat. entire peoples are beaten here and new kingdoms perish and rise; it is to understand what is said above in the empire and the seers who were engaged in history, not only as a study of facts about events, but as a study of some huge manats of spiritual monads of spiritual categories, they understood , what is there in the heavens, relatively speaking, in the metavedic spheres, and the main decisions are taking place, or there is the main stop in making these decisions slowing down these this victory of the west over russia and what are these semantic meanings that hover over the world and which determine this eternal war, eternal hmm, eternal struggle the west of russia there is such a category that today's philosophical

historical religious thought began to operate, this category of dreams, national dreams. a social dream is hmm, if you like, a national idea, these are the aspirations, those highest tasks that are assigned to the people, their fate, their history and the tasks that the people perform, for example, their entire historical destiny historical line of historical time, these are the tasks. they can be guessed, they can be overheard, and by following the whole outline of the historical life of the people, and in the end , bring this guess of the book to metaphors in some way. there is a concept of the american dream, but today we will call this dream the saxon dream, or she is more than she said sucks, but her western dreams in the depths that this sun lies, the consciousness of this dream was brilliantly

formulated by neocorns. the bushes have now articulated this dream in their places. it sounds like america or the american dream is a city on a hill a city on a hill. hill or mountain, this is the whole grand great american landing story. e europeans to the continent new colonization. west indians beating bison victory in the civil war bat for freedom is a huge scientific discovery achievement. this is the great american culture or history. at the top of this story stands a hornbeam, or rather a fortress at the top stands an american fortress with hospitals that look down there from the top of the mountain along the slopes where other peoples live, where other settlements live, and other towns are other capitals, and from there it comes with constant surveillance. if these peoples, these

cities of theirs, do not behave in the way that the main fortress, the main castle, the main halls, is planning. yes, it is pouring out of the hospital, or fired from a squeak, and then cruise missiles, and then what god knows than the american dream of a city on a hill, this idea of ​​domination, this idea of ​​​​dominance. this is the idea of ​​absolute power over the world. and this is a dream i repeat. she completes on the tops of this castle of this temple. she doesn't go further up, it ends. right here on this one hmm on top, which extends just a little bit higher. well, for something of this stone bastion, which houses the american thoughts of the american idea. what if there is another dream? there is a russian dream. the russian dream, as it is betrayed to close people, as i define it, is a temple on a hill, not a city

on a hill, but a temple on a hill, that is, a hill and a mountain - this is our russian history, filled with great accomplishments, terrible catastrophes , beatings by pitch darkness. the uprising behind these darkness with great flowering with great hopes. all this colossal mountain is filled with e caves, as well as some kind of divine gardens. she is crowned not with a fortress, or with zion, not with a trench. it is different temple, this temple extends off the mountain skyward. it doesn't end. on itself, his crosses, his crucifixion goes there to the highest height in the amur light. and this is the saudi light that concerns russian churches. it flows down these crosses down the mountain and fills the life of our families of the garrisons. sets of our political science centers of our kremlin e, catacombs and jury palaces. this is a russian dream

this is the dream of the kingdom of heaven, this dream of absolute harmony. this dream of absolute beauty is absolutely love, where there is no strong and weak, reproach e of the weak e, rich, where there is no injustice, where there is no eating. uh, there do not know the legend as a whole, if we watch our fresco. and where the lord is absolutely justice and there is no worst thing i do not justice is death. these two dreams are the american dream of dominance and the russian dream of divine revelation to transform the russian earthly life. uh, heavenly life kingdom of heaven, they are constantly. they touch, they are incompatible, in fact.

and the west, moving here to russia with its armadas of reconnaissance with its cultures, experiences some kind of reproach, a constant charisma emanating from russia , russia speaks to the west, even if russia is armed with an army of cannons with cannons, and it is being led there, i don’t know, suvorov or e. they got up to inflict their 10th stalinist blow, leading her there to europe. here in this is some kind of luminiferous one. uh, the divine sense of peace in europe is associated with the idea of ​​domination the dominance of the great self is the destruction of what is not crowned in the european context. and this is today's europe , today's west is going there for the great beheading, because the idea of ​​the great renewal. this is the destruction of everything that is not connected with all the new ideas of suppression. basically suppression. this conflict is a deep conflict that said this is a metaphysical or religious conflict, it determines the entire

history of relations between russia and the west, and now a step back really told you that this conflict of the ages. it is this conflict, as it were , conceived by the very nature of human god , because without, in my opinion, russian dreams or russian. the desire for the divine is impossible for humanity, but rational. here is a rigid roman connected with a rigid law with an understanding of the american hierarchy of the world. ah, anglo-saxon. in the end, maybe the roman dream. they are also very important for humanity, and we are present in the tension of our entire visible history of the conflict and today's our here is this nightmare reality. when suddenly found out suddenly understand? we did not know that this is so, and suddenly you find that all of europe is becoming professional, we suddenly discovered that europe has united and sends there to ukraine, which means leopards and abs to the russian borders. this was so unexpected for

us, because all our russian political thought is political. here is the soviet period. he lived he did not live by illusions, everyone there tells us to deceive. here gorbachev was deceived. suddenly it came. e to the east, and gorbachev united germany oh, how they deceived, and then they turned out to be deceived from us and, under the stripping of the soviet union, they took the crimea, gave it away, and gave ukraine away. we say that ukraine will be our friendly country. and the baltic states will be our love. and here suddenly arises about fascist organizations. oh nah, we were deceived or we were deceived during this maidan coup, we thought so that yanukovych still persuaded the west and uh, after all, the maidan will not explode and it will be like that. uh, multi-vector. ukraine again deceived us. and now just deceived the standards. and you came out to beat us, who are the idiots, or what, you to him that we created this gigantic empire of

12 time zones, created a colossal one is not visible. she state tests when applying. uh, for this, and the power of the weapon of the bayonet and sophisticated subtle diplomacy and bribery, and just such an adoration for russia of great spaces yes, the enchanted russian moved. wandering really we, being so weak-minded, could become this such, here is a great kingdom, no we were not deceived. we were deceived, we were deceived, russian history was punished. we forgot about these lubricants that we said we forgot about that we are one of the pluses of the world, and we have abandoned our polar destiny. we decided that the states, their idea, their culture, their political science, their cia, which led after the collapse of the countryside, would benefit from this. union of all our structures, whether it be the ministry of foreign affairs with a trump card or, uh,

state property chubais. this is impossible even today, today, when the fate of russia is really being decided again, both on the battlefield and on the outside. it seems to me that the feeling of these codes. it is not enough. we don't see these years only this russian dream on its ascending victorious light-bearing such aspect we will be able to overcome the west. thank you, this is a very important and interesting perspective. i am with you, in principle, in my opinion, in almost everything. agreement. but when we talk about the 19th century, and when we talk, let's say about the natural crimean war, when we talk about the war between russia and turkey when, again, in general - after all, e. well, i don’t want to say that russia was deceived, but i would say that they threw and threw e not

russia’s opponents, not great britain and france , but. uh, threw a concert work that had then with russia is quite a good relationship. eh, and, as it were, nicholas i rendered a great service to austria-hungary. uh, well, in general, uh , alexander ii did a great, great service to bismarck, allowing him to freely unite germany and defeat france. i want to ask you right away, but then, when the united states did not yet play a role in european politics, what motivated us again every time uh during the crimean war, and then now we are talking about the war with turkey every time the west got up against russia, moreover, the state is so different like england, france and, uh, reunited

germany, how do you explain this? well , alexander iii explained to himself that the west will always hate us, because we are too strong. that is, uh, it is assumed that in the east of europe there should not be such a force that can sometimes even outweigh the forces of a united europe, again, as it was in the twelfth year. here, in fact, that the west was afraid, because this coalition, and the era of the crimean war, is just a coalition of the entire united europe at the same time, by the way, she was even more united than under napoleon because the british were not only in this coalition. they made it, they formed it, and that means precisely in order to be here with united efforts. as a matter of fact, to solve the russian problem once and for all. that is how the crimean war was conceived as the last crusade. i must say now that we will finish russia, finally. here is all this horror that

hangs over us for centuries from the east. yes, this is the power, which, on the one hand, it seems that outwardly they look a little like us, but on the other hand they formulate some strange principles. they, uh , come here from time to time, yes, they free them, they go to paris and begin to tell everyone that one must live without war, how is it? what does it mean without war? yes, but how to realize their own interests, what kind of strange things alexander the first tells us, who says that, so to speak, monarchies should negotiate with each other and negotiate. actually peoples. what a horror. and for what else? as a matter of fact to exist as a monarch if they don’t fight, yes, so, uh, once and for all , make such a crusade that will lead russia, in fact, out of this , so to speak, the balance of power, yes, and then. strictly speaking, the stake will be placed on who is the most progressive,

but the most economically developed, but the strongest, and so on. everyone has one eventually. each european power had its own specific cult. yes, the british had a cult of wealth and economic prosperity. so to speak, the french had a cult of cultural superiority. the germans had a cult of will. here, in fact, to say the german empire that arises is interesting, but to say right away dostoevsky's reaction to a appearance. strictly speaking, the german empire. he cannot understand in any way, he is in the writer's diary. everything writes. strictly speaking, and where where are the very values ​​that, in fact, are going to defend the eternity of the german empire and what really relies on the cult of power, that's all. so she didn't last long will exist, it must be said that dostoevsky's favorite place was old. russ of old rus formed this division, which then took a restart in the forty-fifth year. ah , so to say the prophecy turned out to be a prophecy, but be that as it may, there really is in europe. here it is, so

to speak, a kind of battle, and moreover, eternal. in general, sometimes the subconscious voice is sometimes mine. yes, the fear that there are some strange people who are also christians. oddly enough, yes, but at the same time , christians who for some reason sincerely believe believe in christian principles because all normal christians. they're used to it. yes, there are christian principles that can be used as a cudgel against the hindus, as a cudgel against the chinese , and, as a matter of fact, come and under the slogan of the truth there faith, for example, there to establish their rule to sell opium or do something else like that. yes, so to speak, but there are russians who for some reason do nothing about it. so that's the problem. we must decide once and for all. thanks, just a few minutes i wanted to ask you. but the last

decades of the xix century and the beginning of the xx century before the revolution. uh, between the west of russia arose again. this is some kind of cultural ideological strife, and uh caused a lot of reparation in england uh. especially in france, i would say that in russia there were no such political freedoms as in their strange ones. well, the pogroms were very outraged. and especially i would say e was outraged in france. and in general, it seems that, uh, the people who came out with this criticism. they were guided by some noble principles and compassion for those people, well, which starts with the jews and ends with the poles, and they have always been easily carried out in the russian empire. but here's what confuses me about this fedorov said that

at the same time, uh, these empires expanded, like crazy at the same time, these empires used the roughest, the roughest. uh, the force went to the most severe repression when it came to their interests. here is how to combine this compassion, the lack of any rights in russia and the complete lack of compassion for those people who were under their own control. well, they didn't have compassion yet. actually to the russian people, as such that 's the concern. oh, well then national religious minorities. it is exactly the same as now concern for sexual minorities on the territory of modern russia, in fact, there is no difference here, and no one talks about the rights, let's say the russian people or the majority of the russian population that our people also have their rights, including historical rights geopolitical

rights spiritual rights. i agree that here it was said there russia is an existential enemy for the west. eh, i specifically dealt with this issue. well, somewhere at least from the end of the 15th century, and then absolutely from the end of the 16th century , russia is perceived as an enemy that prevents, uh, western catholic protestant europe from dominating the world. because this incomprehensible unknown to no one is nothing or impossible. explain her actions to the country in its own way, understanding god. therefore, for the west of russia, this is not even a christian country. incidentally, it is not at all clear that because they had their own christian understanding and the second point. that is, there was a very powerful such a spiritual religious conflict that the west sought to destroy , and the second moment russia, in fact, in

the middle of the 16th century of this empire, the empire is very powerful, very bright. after the sovereign ivan iv accepted. ah, the title. e, the king, that is , caesar, that is, the emperor, and in the future , russia expanded and, e, included other peoples on completely different principles. than western euro-, e western europe than the british empire or the french empire or the austro-hungarian empire, and the renaissance was that, well, that's a fact. all the peoples that entered the russian, er, state at one time. they still exist, no one died. moreover, russia, as this empire knows, on the contrary, when the outskirts were maintained at the expense of the center and when exactly, the russian people incured the largest e, costs and demographic financial economic and political in order to support this empire with their power, and in including other peoples on this topic. there is even a special study now.

it’s not good to talk about this, that is, russia showed the west that it is possible to build the other world in a different way, but for other reasons, who is what, what fyodor mikhailovich dostoevsky mentioned here spoke about, all human unity is something that the west does not need. tell me, within the framework of your vision of your understanding of this metaphysics, at least theoretically, reconciliation between russia and the united states is possible, without one of the fundamental parties changing, such reconciliation cannot be the mitigation of this conflict, if the increase in this conflict, then the apocalyptic level of russia is tested by the west only at the moment when it loses, when it becomes a country controlled by the sudden, so it was in the nineties, what concerns? what

about the crusades? i will infect you a little with the crusades of this religious campaigns, they are political and the war, the crimean one, if you use my language or our methodological ones. this is a war for chersonesos, this war for chersonesos, a war for that amazing and magical e point where russia took place as a christian civilization and maybe even all the other battles that russia is waging with the western world. this is the battle for chersonesus . thank you very much, we are going out for a short break, and then the big game will return and we will talk about complex and contradictory, but as a rule, quite frankly, constitutional relations between the people of russia and the west. thanks to the moments in order to

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consultation with a doctor and you will understand. there is a big game on the air and we are discussing very difficult relations between russia and the west , the end of the 19th century turned out to be relatively peaceful in 1881, after the assassination of his father , emperor alexander ii, came to power alexander iii is a very strong-willed person. a very tough person. very patriotic , no one doubted his ability to defend the interests of russia, and he himself did not like bullying and no offensive wars. but already at the beginning of the 20th

century, the situation began to change; there was a struggle for manchuria, a struggle for korea between russia and japan. and who did what to whom about this , many different questions and many different interpretations. and it would seem that this was a war in the far east, and what does the west have to do with it? well, the west was, moreover, without help great britain and japan would not be able to acquire a powerful fleet without the supply of western weapons. japan could not have a modern army, and precisely because of this western assistance. japan succeeded. i don't mean to say win the war. well, in general , the portman peace, which was concluded in 1905 . although he did not satisfy many in japan , he was still closer to the japanese. and if

you like, with a wish, than to russian uh , russia concluded a portman peace, concluded it through the mediation of the american president. it would seem that everything agreed japanese-russian contradictions were settled and suddenly russia found itself in a very difficult position. in a sort of position , not so much during the war itself, but as a result of the isolation that followed. here is how prime minister sergey yuryevich vita described the situation, one of the most prominent statesmen of the tsarist regime, i would say. the world bowed not before our culture, not before our bureaucratic church, not before our wealth and well-being, it bowed before our strength. and when in to a large extent exaggerated saw that we are not so strong at all. as we thought,

the internal picture immediately changed and external enemies raised their heads, and the indifferent began to ignore us. i think a lot of us. uh, they will see a certain parallel with what happened after the collapse of the soviet union with the situation in which russia found itself in the nineties, but russia then managed to get back on its feet. unfortunately, this process did not last long, the first world war began. again, there are different versions how exactly it started and who bears the main responsibility, after all. i personally think that it was skiser wilhelm who removed the main responsibility from her. although england played many diplomatic games and also, from my point of view, contributed. the beginning of the war for me is mostly interested in something else. in russia

, a revolution took place, and the tsarist regime was defeated. the provisional government could not resist and the civil war began in russia. it would seem that britain france should have been on the side of the white movement. after all. generally. these were the same royal the generals are the same tsarist ministers who, well, simply sacrificed russian interests for the sake of the loyalty of the allies. this is universally recognized and the leaders of france themselves at that time willingly or reluctantly, er, recognized it, but during the civil war a very strange picture arose. on the one hand, the allies went on interventions, mainly against the belly, but on the other hand. they were not ready to seriously support the white movements. it would seem absolutely friendly to the western

powers, who, uh, in general, always wanted uh, russia to fight against germany and these were the generals who were guided by the allies against germany well, what kind of help russia received but france from the point of view of anton who commanded the armed forces of southern russia , let's listen. france divided its attention between the armed forces of southern ukraine, finland and poland, providing more serious support for poland alone, only for salvation. she subsequently entered into closer relations with the command of the south in the final crimean period of the struggle. this circumstance gave the whole policy in france, in the russian survey, the character of indecision, the instability of groundless guessing and the absence of that share of risk, which is legitimate and inevitable in any great political enterprise. as a result, we did not receive real help from her, nor firm

diplomatic support, especially important in relation to poland, not in loans or supplies. it was no longer aid, but simply barter and trade; such an agreement fundamentally destroyed the principle of the moral obligation of allied assistance in the fight against a common enemy. as for great britain, according to denikin and other authors of memoirs of that time, great britain at the beginning behaved more generously towards the white movement , but as soon as the whites had real difficulties, and about the fall of uh, 919 , the british prime minister very quickly decided to refuse support for the white movement , in fact, signing him a death sentence. this is how it ended, but if you like, the bloody history of russian allied relations with great britain and france during the first

world war. and i want to ask you. uh, alexander dugin are very happy to see you at our program. how do you assess the actions of the allies against russia during the first world war and especially during the civil war? can we say that these were real allied relations? you know, it’s interesting that just during the period of the civil war in ukraine, and in the course of the white movement , such a science as geopolitics began to take shape in full because helford mackinder, the founder of this discipline, was the entente commissar for e, the white white cause on the south in the south of russia, that is, there passed the formation of the discipline, which in my opinion. the best way to explain the whole theme of the big game is himself, er, makinder, a member of the white

cause, a representative of the entente, just complained about the fact that support. they are not enough for the white movement, the bolsheviks, who had about the german orientation, won. thanks to this insufficient support , mackindur tried to convince the british british prime minister and the british leadership that this entente would act more effectively, seeing exactly what the bolsheviks were about the german orientation sooner or later will give them the opportunity not only to establish control over all of russia, but also to become the main problem at the next stage of world history, that is, in this very period that you are talking about now, and uh is being formed. the formula that allows us to explain the confrontation between russian civilization, our eurasian civilization and western civilization, primarily anglo-saxon, and in that period and in the 20th century and in

the 19th century itself is the concept of a big game. this is the name of your program - this is geopolitical just confrontation civilizations and the seas of the anglo-saxon land civilization, which explains everything this way, applying the principles of geopolitics formulated by mackender to antanter. one could immediately say that russia was doomed from the beginning of this union. it was an unnatural union. i do not withdraw from germany and from the kaiser any responsibility for the beginning. uh, the first world war and you are absolutely right in this, but russia has entered into an alliance with our main geopolitical opponents. it was already then realized that the goal was to weaken eurasia, to weaken the core of the earth that all this war. the first world war is being waged not so much against germany and austria as the central european power. she really is with the prospect of weakening the hardland, which was understood by the same makinder, and he insisted on the dismemberment

of russia then and drew maps according to which it fell apart in the ninety-first year. that is, it is a class. the geopolitical model of the anglo-saxon world, we were doomed when we entered the war on the part of the entente. and that's what's interesting, what, and the conditions hmm makinder x what explains? why was support not enough, because mackinder insisted wrangel's leadership of the white cause to give independence after the victory over the bolsheviks, and even novorossia to ukraine of belarus. it appeared there as other territories. this, too, should have been set aside from russia, to which the whites said no , a single indivisible single inalienable then there will be no support for you, that is, from a geopolitical point of view, from the point of view of this model of explaining history, as a confrontation between two types of civilizations, the civilization of the sea and civilization land between which a big game was unfolding to defeat russia

, first of all, an antenna was needed. this is an interesting perspective. i must confess that i feel that the run of great sympathy, of course, there are always many nuances. there are many details that contradict the coherent scheme, but we are not at the academic seminar now. we speak to a wide audience, and i think that the main truth is now with you mikhail myagkov , scientific director of the military historical society. you know well what happened between the first and second world wars, and i am very interested in your assessment of the actions of great britain and france at the end of the thirties, when the nazi danger was already quite obvious. and is it possible to say that britain and france were rather

interested in some real? illusions of the soviet union, well, i must say that here is the interwar period that we are talking about is the twenties and thirties. e created a situation where russia was then the soviet union e he was under threat. uh not just attacks coalitions of some powers. how did it happen during the crimean war? as it happened in the time of napoleon, but in fact, uh, all the powers, uh, that were well armed, but the collective west, and this, of course, was understood in the kremlin and built its policy based on the fact that moscow russia is a besieged, fortress, around which built a cordon sanitary little entente and along the southern borders is also restless in this respect. it so happened that this versailles-shington system, which was created after the first world war.

she e, as if this virus of perversity had not been introduced in advance, when there are disadvantaged powers , germany, which was considered offended, plus italy, japan, which considered themselves unsatisfied, and england , the franconian coalition, which supported the united states, who believed that he was necessary at all costs to keep what they managed to acquire during the first world war and, of course, that the crisis of the versailles washington system from those treaties was, of course, inevitable. well right here just when we're talking about the uk france must be told that immediately after hitler came to power in 1933, knowing perfectly well, as well as in the kremlin, that hitler’s main direction is drang, that is, a trip to the sunrise current . that in germany she ceases her eternal movements backward and south-west of europe and turns her sword to the east. exactly. there lies the living space, just here we are recalling the geopolitics that the german sword will conquer

the resources, yes. the people who should have been slaves, then we know what was designed. this general plan of ost is in fact, and the eviction of people to siberia by the nazis of the rest of the transformations into slaves, the destruction of both jews and gypsies at once. well, how did england and france reduce themselves in this regard, because today, when we listen to western experts, we open textbooks, for example, uh, v. the same great britain, the united states of america, and was doing this, i know very well that here they have the impression that england, france well, based on the experience of the first world war they were afraid of a big conflict and that is why they were engaged in appeasing hitler but in fact, when we open the documents of that period, this is an english document, this is german, these are our documents , the question immediately arises. why did england and france e with such persistence, but push

the nazis directly to hitler e-e, rearmed germany already directly to the east. why did they directly do so that you want to say that they did not just flee from nazi germany at they had their own plan for their mission for nazi germany. yes, this is exactly what i wanted to emphasize, we see that when it was overloaded, germany and churchill declared that in the thirty-fifth year it could be stopped, but england, france never went for it , the germans conquered. uh, troops entered the ukrainian region nisar. no, uh, conscription. not austria in 1938. and now, finally, munich has come and here is munich, in fact, it is. well, first of all, it's a betrayal. yes, the betrayal of the west which today, well trying to shut up, but modestly. yes, in fact, the czechoslovaks are an ally of england , france, and without inviting them to slovakia , the soviet union is not invited, they give it

to the announcer of the sudetenland, and then that's it. well, actually, slovakia and some kind of thought that when the dominkina still meets, e chamberlain and hitler then they meet the idols of the french prime minister and chamberlain and hitler can be quoted even the words that they say about fury, they have long dreamed of meeting with such an outstanding leader. they shake his hands, they uh count the fact that this person, yes, he may be bad in some way, but this is his boyfriend, he is a european, and in many ways they do not understand that this nazi nazi theory is also largely built on the theory of colonialism, that is, the superiority of one once and for another and e, hitler simply brought to perfection that system of colonial dependence , which was tested by england, france, he brought it to the limit, when, accordingly, the entire territory conquered should consist of concentration camps, and connected

by autobahns and there. germanic race and all races he is already in the table by e, lines. as a matter of fact, painted here, uh, clearly the desire of england and france is that germany is facing the soviet union. they mutually weaken each other. and here it arises that the year of the civil war failed , the same thing great britain and france that is, when in march 18 they still divided russia to the sphere of influence, this territory is here. this is not russia, this is not great, the state is not a single self-sufficiency. it's not communist , it's just territory that can be take and divide into spheres of influence. here is such a plan, of course, a monstrous jesuit plan that was drawn up for our country. and i think that most likely he could have done it, if only at some point, and moscow had not put that barrier on it, which

simply horrified them. this is the soviet-german agreement of 1939. i will now be the devil's lawyer and i will ask you the most difficult question dmitry is good. here, for example, is what we just said about the behavior of the allies. everything is true, but there is another country of truth, stalinist repressions, the horrors of collectivization millions of illegally repressed. is it possible to say from your point of view that disgust, but for the crimes of the stalinist era, that this explains or maybe even justifies the behavior of england and france on the eve of the war, when they simply did not consider it possible for themselves to agree with stalin. can you accept such an interpretation, i with great difficulty. i can't accept this interpretation.

yes, of course. take care of the stalinist regime , the repression of the collectivization of the holodomor, and which certainly was not a genocide ukrainian people was indeed a negative consequence of collectivization in general. eh, everything. this negatively worked on the image of the soviet union, but it seems to me that the main reason for hostility towards the soviet union, including the stalinist soviet union , was of a geopolitical nature, exactly what alexander gelievich spoke about, because under stalin the soviet union actually became the reincarnation of the russian empire, it became that the most eurasian heartland, and which before that was the romanov empire and e, the west of western european countries, great britain and france, of course, wanted to weaken this eurasian huntland, dismember and subdue, and here i completely agree, of course, the aggression of the hitlerite nazi regime was purposefully directed to the east. this is not just a misunderstanding. it was a deliberate policy. let's remember

the collective security ambulance, on which the soviet union desperately insisted at the end of the thirties, just in great britain and , france, they also wanted to include poland in this collective security system. the answer was. well, poland categorically did not , france and great britain did everything to ensure that these negotiations did not take place at first, and then, when they did start, they did everything to make them drag on and end in virtually nothing. just on a technical level. yes, they chose the slowest ways to get to the soviet union, and so on and so forth, when they arrived , after all, the soviet union, it turned out that they did not have credentials, that they did not have powers, and so on and so forth. yes, a and actually to the soviet union in these in this situation it became absolute that nazi germany was sent to a and a france and a, great britain it seems to me with all my

strength. to understand that the soviet union for them is indeed a foreign evil and a much greater evil than nazi germany compared to the soviet union, which was a great ideological anomaly at that time in international relations. it was perceived both as a geopolitical challenge and as an ideological one, moreover, an existential ideological challenge. and for e western european e, nazi democracies, germany seemed to be a much more related element. see how much it was about the nazi representatives of the elite of the highest elite in the same uk and. by the way, speaking also in the united states, i would like to know your assessment of the actions of the russian allies of the soviet allies during the great patriotic war for them it was the second world war on the one hand. well, they were clearly allies fighting against hitler , uh, on one side there was a leaf that