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seriously and go. most likely for a new round of escalation, let's talk about the ball. chinese reconnaissance balloon the chinese say the meteorological balloon that recently flew through the united states and was, of course, funny, but in general this balloon thwarted the supposed visit of secretary of state anthony blinkin to china and let's say this already, so this can be attributed to humor. in general, apparently this is a rather serious matter, but also in the united states they are starting to, uh, increasingly, more uh , engage in an election campaign and the republicans and democrats are taking steps that, let's say, should ensure that the right voters will play a larger
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role in determining who will be their party's candidate. with us now on the body of the bridge who is she the marquebishop with a well-known national security consultant who for a number of years has been a columnist national interest magazine mark good evening. good evening. i want to start with what is most important to the russian audience, what is this new package of american military assistance to ukraine and especially what does it mean that for the first time ukraine should receive missiles that have a range of up to 150 km and can allegedly even reach from the places where the armed forces of ukraine are now located. from this place they can even
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reach and the northern part of the territory of crimea dmitry i thought there are two two important things here there is a symbolic meaning of this help. and this is what the administration says once again, that they are ready to support ukraine as much as necessary, a phrase that we hear as much as necessary, uh, and uh there is uh, the military-technical aspect is that they want to give ukrainian troops weapons . e form dlcb, uh, a bomb that can hit russian uh warehouses, uh in the territory of ukraine in the south and. well, i think in the east too. eh, it's like now until it comes. till these weapons can't ever
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positions where the ukrainians are now hitting the crimea, but they can hit other , uh, southern, uh, cities on the territory of ukraine, and we'll see. i think one of the main questions is - it's about the number, because all these weapons, of course, it's better to have them. what not to have. we are talking about tanks and about patriot systems and about fighters, if they are, but the main question is - it's on a scale in the amount of this help. and it will determine if this assistance will be decisive, uh, during this war. well, mark is here. what is called a small problem. and yes, i'm more precisely two problems. and actually, what washington calls the territory of ukraine in moscow is called the territory of russia, which has already become the territory of russia, and not just by some agreements, by no means of this
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formal understanding, remained part of russia according to the russian constitution, and therefore, when you are going to wear this kind strikes on the territory of russia, in moscow, as you understand, this causes serious concern, but there is another point. here again, in the biden administration. they say that there is some kind of understanding with ukraine that there will be no strike, at least on those territories of russia that belonged to russia a according to the situation in 2014. not only as it is understood in ukraine let's listen to what the special representative of president zelensky recently said about this to some western experts. there is an opinion that ukraine should ensure that its military equipment will not be used on the territory of the russian
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federation, this idea came from a parallel world, any command post in the russian capital is a legitimate military target. i don't i see no problem in attacking them. the decision is left to the leadership of the apu. and i haven't seen statements from the biden administration that say that's not what they mean. and that the biden administration will not tolerate this approach. are you aware of any approximations of this kind. i don't know, and obviously they ca n't say that to everyone, because the administration will never say anything that would call into question both uh principle. uh, the fact that the crimea coach belongs to ukraine uh, this is what we see the surface. there is always a possibility. i do not personally have non-classified information, but there is a possibility. e about
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what is behind the scenes. uh, negotiations between ukrainians and america about which we do not know where they are explained. what if they hit some specific territory. uh, it can bring an escalation, it can have an escalation effect, but here it is important to understand that ukraine actually very often does not do what i advise it to do. uh, you see the white house and the pentagon, for example, uh. deciding where to advance and where they advance very often, when they say ukraine. ukraine still decided not to attack and only defend itself and decides to attack, so it may very well be a friend to them. yes , the administration does not force them to change. i don't believe she's being advised not to advance, rather, on the contrary, she's being advised to advance, but she just can't. fine. yes, i was talking about the report in which the pentagon advised ukraine
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that the solidar could be handed over, because this is a strategic insignificant object and they should , uh, retreat to slavyansk , i can imagine that when it comes to tactical situations, i can imagine that kiev has. uh, a lot of independence, maybe more specifically autonomy, but if you're talking about things like hitting russia itself, especially moscow, i can't imagine that, uh, ukraine would dare to do that with american weapons if they didn't have reason to think that such an approach is at least acceptable to washington well change the subject. and a chinese reconnaissance balloon flew over american territory , it was now shot down when it flew to the atlantic
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ocean, but still, apparently, was in the territorial waters of the united states why it caused such a big scandal in america this is a very good question a lot of people who do not usually think and do not talk about foreign policy took a lot of interest in this in this scandal and almost everyone spoke the truth about it. i think it's a couple of speakers to consider. uh, first of all, this is obviously what the first initial approach of the white house was. eh, they knew about it, and they chose to ignore it. and i, and not only should have do something about it when local journalists started talking about it. it was already impossible to hide, so i think the first question is the first one. it is in this that why the white house has decided to behave this way. uh, to this the white house says similar
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objects. uh, it's called about the chinese say it's mitya mitya probe. that is, it is a civilian object that simply collects data. the weather that similar objects fly very often and therefore it is not a problem. uh, we don't really know how often and where similar objects flew. we know for sure that they flew over military bases and strategic missile sites in montana. and so this, i think, is a serious matter. why did they have to fly there uh, and at the end and i think uh there is a big debate about blink and uh deciding to cancel their uh meeting with high ranking chinese officials. and a lot of people say yes. it is worth always
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having a dialogue about complex topics, and even more so if we have big problems in bilateral relations. and we all know that all problems exist, uh, they are worth discussing, and therefore it is there was a chance er to have an important important dialogue that will not take place now, the other side of this coin. it's that uh it was this aggressive behavior from china and we can't lyre it and we had to show uh. it's what we are that we can't let them. uh, uh, we can't let them launch such objects over our strategic uh systems, but i think that's a very interesting question. in the sense that if it looks like american objects, for example, uh, would fly over uh hmm a strategic object on the territory of russia, for example, where is it in
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siberia, uh, how she behaved before russia is an open question, not really, she’s really interested, what would happen if there was a similar scandal, how russia’s mother would behave, thank you so much. it was very interesting and useful for us and i hope yes speed meeting. pil babaev director of the institute of china and modern asia what did the chinese do? why did they do this on the eve of the visit of the us secretary of state who, as i understand it, in beijing, in general, welcomed something they expected from him. yes, absolutely right. in fact , nothing unusual happened here. and this is definitely not a new word in science and technology. the same balloons were launched by the united states on the territory of the soviet union in the seventies and eighties. and when a they were asked questions. what is it they said that these are exactly the same probes, but for meteorological purposes. well, at that
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point it never led to anything , the question is that this technology is not a new excuse. no, it’s new, most likely, these balloons really flew on territory of the united states for several years in a row. it never caused any. and so to speak, the hysteria in the united states is that now this has happened, but really the government in the united states has become a hostage inside. a hostage of public opinion in our country, we know that in the united states the authorities are very dependent on the pr of the opposition and are always forced to respond to it. this is exactly what i think happened. but as far as china is concerned , i don't think they even thought about what it is. may lead to such consequences. and after it happened so many times. we know, perhaps under president biden as well, and therefore, i think that in china they really seriously prepared for the visit that today the visit is canceled - this, of course, is a grandiose diplomatic defeat of the united states of america, because they are releasing the opportunity to achieve this detente, about which there was an agreement back
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in bali last autumn and which is very likely. could bring china and the us closer a variety of issues not only in the taiwan strait, well, in the global economy today , the united states missed this chance. and this means that the next major foreign policy event will take place under the sign of chinese russian relations. this we know. biden's visit to moscow and a summit with our president therefore, the united states again finds itself out of the lot and releases its chance. only the chinese point of view was not brought to moscow. it was not some kind of deliberate aggressive provocation. and it was. well, such, and what is called in america a business lived. uh, business as usual, and they did not expect such a sharp american response. i believe so, because at present china is of course very profitable to improve relations with the united states. this
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would greatly facilitate their situation with economic relations with the west , which have suffered significantly in recent years, so this visit to china was certainly beneficial. they were waiting for him, they agreed on this, and in advance the fact that this happened now, of course, was some surprise for them, but we know that blinkent, says both are postponing the visit, but not about the cancellation. therefore, i think that the us government is relying now on some time to pass and the public outcry around this event will subside. it will be possible to return to the topic of the visit, but time will have already been lost, let's see, konstantin anatolyevna, i wanted to ask you a different situation. about the scandal that is happening now in ukraine with corruption with numerous accusations of searches, and resignations of e and e with information, including
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from the office of the president of ukraine about the forthcoming, e, resignation of the minister of defense of ukraine, reznikov , who, as i understand it. now questioned, what's going on? well, it seems to me that the corruption scandals in ukraine are something even more ordinary than the flight of a chinese probe over american territory. since corruption in ukraine is part of the system and this is not denied by anyone, either in ukraine itself or in the west, who cooperate with ukraine and have complexes about corruption in ukraine , i think that periodically arises the need to get rid of this stigma. and in order to get rid of it, someone needs to make a sacrifice. the actual elections. it may be different in this case is called a number of personality. first of all, these are
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customs officers. well, i don't think you need to go to a fortune teller to understand that the customs officers are always under suspicion. customs, as you know, not only gives good, but also takes good, and in this case, the leadership of the customs committee was fired, as for the person of the minister of defense of ukraine who had already established himself and became a public figure in relationships with western partners. this, of course, is a more painful story, but uh, here we are indulging in all sorts of arguments about what kind of intrigues under the hood are taking place in kiev in the leadership of ukraine, who is for whom and who is against?
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whom do they say that this has to do with and the relationship between zelensky, that is, the real commander of the armed forces of ukraine, that in this case reznikov is some kind of bargaining chip in this story, but the fact that the most important thing is corruption in ukraine is simply inevitable of everything that happens this it is obvious to everyone, including in the west. konstantin, when are you saying this? i agree with you and disagree. i agree regarding the level of corruption in e. ukraine yes, and i agree that it should be all clear proof of this is very much. as for what it's clear to everyone in the west, well, let's hear what just said, who is a representative of the state department.
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responsible for ensuring proper oversight of all forms of us assistance we provide ukraine, we don’t know about any abuses with the help of the united states, i don’t know, well, you understand what’s the matter, because, uh, the most common claim from the opposition in the united states to the authorities in the united states when it comes to supplies to ukraine is that they plunder weapons, they spread into different including the hands of terrorists , quite possibly, who will attack the twin towers again tomorrow, if they continue to stand there in manhattan and, uh , somehow this is necessary. to guard against this in some way. well, firstly, uh, it is very important that the figure of zelensky himself is not suspected, because he is the chosen symbol of resistance to russia today and must be preserved for
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the future. he has one, uh, undeniable advantage over any other candidate to take his place. he was elected before the start of this military operation before the start of specific hostilities in february last year, and naturally he has an advantage over other candidates for this seat, because he was elected, among other things, by the votes of those cities and villages that have already come under the control of the russian armed forces, that is, they also voted in the presidential elections in ukraine for completely different things. yes, absolutely right. he then came as the president of the world, not of war, and he deceived his voters, which, in fact, is obvious to everyone. but he fell into the same rut, and even deepened it considerably. that's why he is probably the last of those who in ukraine will be sacrificed in order for the west to feel. well, calmly, in fact, yes, probably xs is, but with them
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there is a struggle and attackers. corrupt officials are punished in time. here, in fact, this is what will now be played out already, proof that the kiev e power is self-purifying. she finds those who are guilty, and she punishes them. i think this will play out. vladislav reggin is a well-known military expert uh, naturally in russia well, of course, the future of russian chinese american relations in this very important triangle is very interesting. naturally, he is interested in what is happening in ukraine, but i think that your the topic is how ukraine is being armed and what ukraine can do with these weapons. this is probably the most important topic for scattered ukraine, what is happening? well, i'll start very briefly after all with the history of china and the ball. let me say that the story is that
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there were a lot of these balloons and they fly all the time. in fact, it is a kind of cover, because we know the american society. we know how much it loves to look at the sky, if you play the whole story over the past few years, no one has seen balloons on the usa. means at least that the idea is seen all the time, yes, well, they usually look a little different, like green. from our galaxy, well, uh, that is , it still says that the situation is non-standard , which it became a consequence of, you can discuss it for a long time, but one thing is certain, that they realized it extremely late, to some extent it reflects, then as far as inside uh, the top political military leadership has not formed a response to this story. i will remind you many years ago, if i am not mistaken in 683, we had a similar the story of the korean battle, which flew through almost the entire territory of the far east and the decision to intercept it was actually made on its departure from our
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territory. he was shot down practically at the very, very border, because all this time before that they were trying to understand, and what to do with him? here is the story of the destruction of this very balloon. she is exactly the same, we will return to this. and now i really want you to say what this last round of escalation with the help of the american means. armament for ukraine what is it it means that for the combat capabilities of the ukrainian armed forces at the moment, the main topic is again - these are suddenly revealed losses, the losses of the armed forces are such that they can be called, without any exaggeration, monstrous 150,000 bits and more than 200,000 wounded , it is obvious that for 11 months of the war they could not bring any effect in terms of all that was declared, they could not inflict a military defeat on russia. they could not leave russia and, accordingly,
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now. uh, the main and main task is to try to be in time for spring. while there is human resources to create such a system that would still be able to work; the system is built completely according to nato. more precisely, according to the american model, the two corps that are being built, they are built entirely according to nato standards according to the nato organization and, accordingly, in this case, the transfer of these missiles with a range of up to 150 km is but how to say the tradition of the combat capabilities of these same classic american corps to these corps, then there is to some extent the ukrainian army becomes completely a clone of the american army. and uh it's like the colonial part, in fact, it will act according to the same tactics. she will act. with the same weapon. she will act according to the same combat regulations. and most importantly in the course. these spring operations will be necessary for the americans. in this case, work out.
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still, this is the system that they create and which has not been worked out anywhere before, but in relation to our armed forces, will work. or, if they do not work, then you need to come up with something else. at the same time, they perfectly understand that if it does not work, then the situation will start to turn on them very rapidly and very efficiently, because to create more and maximum weapons. and their techniques and their concentration in the composition of the apu will be extremely extremely difficult, because you need to understand that in 11 months they lost the apu, about 70% of everything that they had plus everything that they were given, but suffice it to say that there were about 3,000 tanks. they were given another 350 tanks. here for these months total almost. well, almost 3 1/2 thousand are currently in the ranks of the apu less than 1,000 tanks, and they are well aware that these deliveries that are going on now are deliveries, rather cosmetic. they do not decide strategically anything in this case, the transfer
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of polish frequency of tanks. more precisely, there are 90 soviet-style tanks. it means much more , because this is at least a well -formed brigade, and in this case, of course, the spring will indeed be very hot, and it will show a lot. thank you . we're leaving for commercials. we'll be back in a few minutes. we have just a super guest the minister of finance of the russian federation anton germanovich siluanov is a very simple question for 23 years, it will be more stable than the 22nd people will even live in the black in terms of real income. and we see now after leaving. eh, it means that the astral business immediately enters this place in our company. everyone knows that there is no such thing as too much money. and, of course, an offer. e spending is always more than there are resources of money. we have a lot today on the first they say you need to get out of
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from nato strategic planning from nato and there seem to be more and more nato military specialists there, there are no combat units, as far as we know from nato but everything else is already present whether the united states and its nato allies are participants in the military conflict in ukraine well, firstly, i would like to say that washington , berlin and warsaw say different things, and not only different people and different people in power, but also the same people in different situations in different audiences, say different things about whether they participate or not participate in essence. well, there was a sensational statement by mrs. verbuk, who, as you know, is the minister of foreign affairs of the federal republic of germany, after that there were statements
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that the chancellor scholz that germany would not allow nato to participate in the war with russia and at the same time his statement that germany demands the withdrawal of all russian troops from the territory of ukraine, which is understood as not only the kherson zaporozhye region, but also the crimea, for example, donetsk luhansk and so on. that is, in fact, the desire of the western countries to maximally protect themselves from a direct response from russia is obvious. moreover , russia is a nuclear power, and on the other hand, the desire, at the same time, which is not at all hidden, inflict all possible damage in russia. this is openly stated directly about the need to defeat russia, and for this, not only economic sanctions are being adopted for the tenth package of the european union, but they are also increasing qualitatively, including the supply of arms to ukraine that is, this is a question. uh,
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is it becoming so rhetorical, is what the west is doing really a war or is it something? e, suitable for war, but not overstepping this line. i want to note that not only in western society, but also in our society today they are increasingly heard. uh, talk about the need to resist this, using everything possible to do so. the forces available in russia, including nuclear ones, will be a limited strike or a tactical strike, but there are discussions about this, and not just random people or excited people, but people occupying a certain position in our society, who, so to speak, have some reason to be considered representatives of the authorities or familiar with the position at the top. here it reduces. actually threshold e is not a resumption of general war. in the truest sense of the word. and it's very dangerous. it’s clear that’s what, uh, what did you start
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with the supply of new types of weapons, which, so to speak, expand the range, uh, achievements, there are 150 km and so on. why is this pushing russia just now, our foreign minister said that since it is being supplied to weapons that, so to speak, operate over longer distances, it means that we need to push the threat directly to russian territories even further. we know perfectly well that, of course, in the united states they are trying to protect themselves. including rhetorically they say that these are strikes on military warehouses by some kind and so on, but you yourself translated the opinion of one of the representatives of the kiev authorities, who believe that in general, not only in the crimea, but in general in any territory of russia, military facilities are a legitimate target. we know that, uh, some kind of drone just fell near kaluga, uh, which was actually carrying a bomb, kaluga is the territory of the russian federation and in the fourteenth year and
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until the fourteenth year and throughout russian history, the same thing happens for a long time, the border regions of the russian federation were, as it were, an urban area. uh, orlovskaya rostovskaya and so on, that is, no guarantee. no what the provision of new weapons will not lead to an increase in casualties on russian territory and damage on russian territory, which means that russia will also be forced to find answers , we are looking for these answers. in any case, experts are looking for. i hope that the military-political leadership knows the answers to this question. but we're trying to figure it out. what kind of answers can we talk about, of course, retaliation in the territory, uh, of ukraine that is at war with us if such strikes are inflicted and this increases the risk of, uh, casualties from all sides, so uh the question is, uh, ev- is the west a belligerent? it seems to me that formally
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it is not legally formal, but from the point of view of common sense , the real state of affairs has already been turning for quite a long time, because russia follows any action. the answer of the west sanctions the supply of the direction of the volunteers so-called or in fact, just uh, those who were sent uh? well, by changing them into a different uniform. they talked about the number of victims, the number of victims of e war on the territory of ukraine the territory of russia according to different sources is different, but they say, for example, that there are already 3,000. e a person from nato countries died on the territory of ukraine, that is also a figure that walks the media. that is, how can we regard this and, in the end, we must take action. ships carrying american weapons are sailing their steps. why can't these ships be attacked in the world's oceans by anyone, if these are civilian ships, especially since they are transporting these bradleys or something else on the territory of ukraine, that is, everything can
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happen when i spoke about this on the air of channel one a few days ago after the polish newspapers raised a genuine novice hysteria. how is it so? they say on russian television that we may be under attack, they do not bother with the fact that they are dividing russia with might and main. they are supplying weapons across their border to the fullest. they proclaim the goal of destroying russia as a state, and at the same time, when they say, and you can also supply. and why are we like a joke. just you know konstantin how noticed. uh, the decision how to respond to nato actions they will be taken by the supreme command yet, but you are a very knowledgeable responsible person. if i were in u place, u polish leadership. i would not be angry with you, because you, as it seems to me, not e, threaten, i warn you
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exactly, like any honest informed. uh, observers well-informed you are talking about what, from your point of view , can happen, i will tell you, honestly, i have no idea how this can happen to me if the polish plans for russia indeed, you began to materialize vladislav after all, these two corps that are going to be assembled, uh, the shock fist that is going to organize for ukraine and this , of course, will provide, as it seems to me, some new opportunities for ukraine, because this combination, firstly , of course, tanks of armored personnel carriers, and new long-range and super-precise artillery, and plus, of course, providing ukraine with more and more air defense systems, so that
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god forbid russia would not have air superiority. this is a serious situation. but russia too goes to a very serious preparation, as it seems to me, not guided by such super optimistic options in his military planning. tell us what russia is doing to make these nato efforts even. well, it’s probably worth starting with the fact that, almost six months after the mobilization of russia, she transferred it. uh, only half of the forces that were mobilized into the war zone. that is, in this case, the second half is at least 150,000. this is at least 4-5 buildings, this is what what is in reserve what is now, uh, being armed is being prepared and will be used at some point.
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i think that after all, the discussion of the nuclear response is still the business of military experts, and none of the officials are involved in the fact that, uh, russia's sensitivity to what is happening now has not crossed the line beyond which this answer may sound, at least, even in words, that is, in this case, judging by the statements of the deputy chairman of the security council dmitry medvedev, even today, in general, hints that it is possible to say we left while we are in a state of such, as it were, not direct, not direct statements, therefore, certainly. we are just getting ready for spring. we are excellent, understand the whole degree. of course, i repeat the threats, the main bet in this case is not just on two corps, they see in this case last summer they gathered more than two corps and advanced and had some success, at least in the kharkov direction, and we were forced to withdraw from right bank from kherson a. but uh, already the winter
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offensive did not work at all. that is, all the reserves that were accumulated, they were. we are forced to spend them on holding the front line, and today, uh, these reserves are no longer there, and we continue to bend it almost everywhere. this is not a strategic direction, but it is very important from the military point of view in terms of military strategy. the concept of seizing the initiative and not seizing the initiative when the enemy imposes his will on you everywhere, but seizing the opposite side can only be really some kind of powerful strike or counterattack, the main stake now, which is being made by the american headquarters, which is calculating the possible options. in the spring - this is a bet, that's all this american centricity. a bet on the possibility of isolating combat areas, operations. bet on deep suppression. why these missiles are needed will be quite rightly said by our colleague that the main task is to destroy, and the second echelons to destroy warehouses to destroy headquarters to destroy communication centers and thus, in fact,
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paralyze. naturally, in this case , after the decision on the supply of these missiles is made, we will be forced to completely change the entire system and the rear. uh, there are still a lot of organizations to deploy. at the moment already in the russian command. think about it and make appropriate plans. i think that the decision has already been made. everyone has been made, because we understand very well that even those decisions that are announced today , for the most part, were made at the very first ramstein during the first ramstein , all decisions were made, and even approximately stages when what types of weapons ukraine will receive, because even in the article laid down for august last year it was said that the ukrainian army will start to win when it finally switches to nato standards for a nato organization for nato weapons and, uh, with the help of nato advisers and nato. uh, what is called information will begin to solve its main
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issues. then it was all definitely just understandable, which at that time was impossible. to put everything at once, it was necessary to first train the artillery crews, that is artillery calculations, then e train. uh, let's say on many other systems. now the turn to the tanks has come, but by the spring i will repeat. it will be completely a clone of the modern american army. we will fight for the first time with the american army. just in the ukrainian version, generally speaking, the american army is good and well-coordinated only in american hollywood films, when, for example, she tried to unblock. e iranian embassy, then there was an embarrassment that cost the presidency. so i would not in this case, after all, forty years ago history completely pulls on ours. it's all serious. they carried out a lot of brilliant and very serious operations underestimating the enemy. this is one of the hardest. in my opinion. eh, moment. we
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'll get back to this, but now i didn't want to ask you, kirill well, if our political military experts are right, and this is really the us army, in fact, which organizes under armies. i mean not only ground troops, if she plays a central role in ukrainian military planning and equipment provision mandatory information and so on. can it be that in beijing, if they think, if they agree that the us army is increasingly taking part in the war in ukraine, can it be that in such a confrontation of sympathy, china would not be on the side of the enemy of the us army, that is, russia well, of course , now in beijing they are very closely following what is happening in ukraine
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, because they can perfectly try on this situation in their own way and think that approximately the same thing will happen in case of conflicts in taiwan in the strait, the united states is getting a completely unique experience, because they control it remotely, and military operations and this experience can come in handy precisely in the confrontation between the people's republic of china and taiwan very soon, therefore, of course. i think that in china they are very much concerned about this, they are well aware that the continuation of this military conflict. maybe even more. and to give the american army the opportunity to test some possibilities of interaction with allies, to test control systems remote control, and the taiwanese army to test weapons that will then go into service with the taiwanese army. therefore, in china, of course, they are interested in the conflict in ukraine being resolved as soon as possible, and they are certainly interested in maximum support for russia today, this support, as we know, it is mostly political,
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but nevertheless very important russia's military support is not yet required. i think that it will not be required further, but nevertheless, from the point of view of political interaction and economic cooperation. these areas will certainly be strengthened. and for us. this, of course, is very beneficial, but on the other hand. i mean, why not take into account that some americans are so far involved in the situation in ukraine. the whole situation with the opposition to china and the taiwan issue. it is postponed to an indefinite future. why shouldn’t china be interested in keeping the americans as long as possible yes, busy with their own affairs in europe well, in fact, today china is promoting its interests as much as possible and without any military conflicts. i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about the fact that their main geopolitical rival is currently involved in other events and does not have such a free hand where it concerns china. in my opinion, everything is correct. the fact
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is that freedom rock is not required for him. and the fact that the american army today is acquiring maximum experience and acquiring, and some practice of using those latest weapons that are supplied and will be supplied to ukraine, is for china, of course , aside, including china, which is behind everything is watching. why not assume that he knows about it too. yes, for china, you know, for the last 70 years of its history, you have practically not fought with anyone, except for the participation of the chinese volunteers in the korean war, so there is practically no china at war for a year, and in america, of course, its experience is in abundance and now this reason continues be acquired by the american army, therefore, of course, for china, each country has its own history. clearly, china has its own history. he did not fight and did not move anywhere place, the estimated states fought, but the story is different and, as it were, it is believed that they benefit from the continuation of the war. uh, only the us military who gains experience gains
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everyone who analyzes the situation all over the world at all. and here i have a question based on your dialogue. and correct me if i've uh misinterpreted you all. it seems to me that from what has been said at this table one gets the impression that uh? china might be interested in a russian victory what, china might uh think constantine calmly say so about the continuation of this war, but no one said that china might want to. the defeat of russia it is unlikely that we will agree with konstantin sensibly, then i have a question in washington and in the administration, the bidens in congress believe.
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or you can be confident in yourself that china does not want the escalation of the war and the use of russia's nuclear horn in any circumstances. whatever challenge russia faces, that china has said in very clear terms in moscow that if you only use nuclear weapon, you not only china will categorically object to this, but that it can cause irreparable damage? uh, chinese relations with russia, you, uh, see some signs that this kind of, uh, advice or even demands was transferred from beijing to moscow . to escalate relations between russia and china, looking for various contradictions
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between the positions of the two countries, which, in fact, really exist, but the similarities between the politics and russia of the people's republic of china today are much greater. therefore, from my point of view, of course, no ultimatums of this kind were broadcast from beijing to moscow. i think that china will certainly continue to support russia . china of course opposes any kind of use of nuclear weapons, because this can open a pandora's box as russia . by the way, as russia, of course. this, if this is a position, it seems to me that all countries of the world today, therefore, in this case , china takes a very balanced position, but this position, as we see, is leaning more and more towards russia, because if you look for it says to remember the spring of last year, china still took a fairly neutral position, very often there was a statement that we respect the territorial integrity of all countries, including in ukraine, these wordings are no longer heard from beijing, but the position that china will continue to support russia and i think it will sound at
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the end of march, when we are expecting children in moscow, as i already said. well, they wanted to say i wanted to say that the very topic of russia's use of nuclear weapons, especially the topic of the use of tactical nuclear weapons. it was originally thrown in from the united states , it was originally thrown in as some kind of provocation, because it is clear that the use of tactical nuclear weapons is an instant situation. uh, how to demonize russia brings it into a state, as if a country that does not comply with any rules at all and , accordingly, in this case becomes a pariah country, but at the same time in beijing more e in other places, where they are closely monitoring the situation in the same common ones in the same usa, they perfectly understand that the transition not to the tactical level, but to the strategic one immediately nullifies the whole situation.
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