john: with all due respect to donald trump, i am not just a president, i am a member. ♪ john: good evening from the water street café in laconia, new hampshire, and national hugging day -- happy national hundred day,, sports fans. -- national hugging day, sports fans. these numbers just out, donald trump leads ted cruz 37% to 26% in iowa. cruz claims that trump now has the dreaded respond of the washington establishment. and this morning, cruz tied him

to another dreaded word, amnesty. it wasn't done yet. on boston herald radio, cruz opened up the arsenal. senator cruz: the language he is saying on the campaign trail does not match how he lived the first 60 years of his life. he supported partial-birth abortion. now he claims to be pro-life. ok? but as a voter, i have seen enough politicians saying things in enough politicians saying things on the campaign trail that they did not follow through on that when every one of his and on that when every one of his campaign promises is directly opposite of where his record was, that is troubling. john: on the counter attack, trump went with snark. trump also called glenn back, who will be endorsing cruz, a wacko. this is the latest battle

between cruz and trump. who is winning right now? mark: at this stage of the campaign, poll results set the campaign, poll results set the and him and narrative. him and that iowa poll shows that trump is stronger and strong, cruz is not doing as well. i thought that cruz was doing well. i will make myself subject to what other people do buy the polls. i've got to say, trump might be doing to cruise what he is doing in -- cruz what he is doing to his challenge. john: people of said cruz has in won a follows's campaign up until the last couple of weeks, and now he seems befuddled. i do not think it is just pulling. an pulling. -- polling. you could say that the establishment likes him, or that he is a closet liberal, but the fact that he is going back and forth with those arguments is a problem. mark: you could argue that youmark: you could argue that cruz's message has been hijacked

by the fight with trump. and you and by the fight with trump. anteater up his right where he wants to be, hitting a guide -- and hitting a guy -- and he is right where he wants to be, you hitting a guy. you you you except the closet liberal has been tried by several other people, and it has not worked. john: but no one with cruz's and i standing has done that. mark: senator cruz is many things, he is a constitutionalist, and now he seems to be hobnobbing as a political pundit. and and dining a marco rubio last night, cruz told reporters that he is effectively out of the game. mining and and and and >> and right now, the establishment is abandoning marco rubio. they have made the assessment that he cannot make this -- and cannot win this race, and the washington establishment is running to support donald trump. mark: today in response, rubio

and says cruz's notion of his demise is exaggerated and wrong. are >> why is he spending so much money attacking me? and bottom line, we feel very good about our campaign. if i am the nominee of the republican party, we are going to beat hillary clinton. that is the most important thing in we have to achieve in this election, to keep hillary clinton out of the white house, an and him and because she is disqualified from being president. mark: so is pundit ted cruz him and him and correct that the him and you establishment should abandon rubio and shift to trump? john: let's pause and make the andjohn: let's pause and make the point that we both may, which is whenever a presidential candidate starts acting like a pundit, he is not espousing the message that he should be. do i think that marco rubio has

trouble right now? you trouble right now? i think he is not doing what he and i think he is not doing what he wanted to do, which is consolidate. you and you have they abandoned him? and him? i think that is overstated, but you it is not ted cruz's place to say. and mark: rubio, based on his pole standing in the way the establishment feels about him, and and and and is the one most likely to leverage support in the early states to consolidated establishment support, and the establishment is not going towards hereof, despite what bob dole and others have said. cruz is right, though, that rubio is not poised to consolidate. after he got some initial support last year, he has consolidated a little bit, but he is not the establishment choice. and choice. john: he is stock. and there is no movement upward. and and the guy with movement and upward is john kasich. and and him and upward is john kasich. but i don't see rubio rising anywhere right now. mark: back to our first topic, cruz is trying to play phony and pundit, trying to make

mischief in the race, trying to think that he can use his sway to shaking her head. he cannot. john: onto to the democrats, a new cnn orc poll gives bernie sanders an eight point lead over hillary clinton. and mark: wowza! john: in iowa. iowa. in the same poll last month, andin the same poll last month, sanders was losing by 18%. that is enough to give brooklyn and andthat is enough to give brooklyn a frigid winter chill. for a lesson in contrast, take a look first at what team hillary is putting on tv. >> the person who lives here has and to solve problems as big as and the world and as small as your kitchen table. that's the job every day. and and now, the first lady who you helped give health care for 8 million kids, the senator who helps cities rise again, the secretary of state who stood up for america and stared down hostile leaders around the world is the one candidate for president who has everything it takes to do every part of the job. john: today in iowa, clinton followed up by calling herself a candidate who can "deliver in reality." she also said that sanders has struggled to gain support for

his health care proposal, a sign that he is an "in theory" candidate. rough. here is what sanders put on television today in iowa. ♪ >> i am bernie sanders, and i approve this message. john: with that eight point lead in iowa, let's just say that ernie has a lead in his bag. mark, my question for you is, who is currently leading the war? mark: the clinton folks when after sanders today on national security very tough. they are still going after him on this big theme, one that bill

clinton seems to like, which is that she is ready to be president, he is not. suggesting that he is not electable, unsafe commander-in-chief. that ad is really good. i know i am a sucker for simon and garfunkel, but that ad is really good. i think in the national dialogue, clinton's folks are doing a decent job, honing down this notion of risky and untested, but on the ground, i think sanders is controlling his message pretty well. john: i think this poll from cnn orc -- it may not be eight points, but the momentum is in sanders' direction. this ad, inspirational, aspirational. the ad that she has put on the air, all about credentials and experience, i do not think -- they are hammering him, but at this moment sanders is still more in control of his public image that hillary clinton is in control of his. mark: he has said in the beginning, this is what will be. his folks have been attending to

define him, and they are not consistent. coming up, we will talk about how hillary clinton has been defining herself. clinton is focusing on this notion of being a safe, solid choice and a member of the establishment to some extent. john, is it smart for hillary clinton to continue to run is the safe, solid, establishment candidate? and john: i don't think it is smart, and i think it will end up being a huge mistake. when i watched those ads this morning, i thought this is 2008 all over again. experience, ready from day one, yada yada yada, versus hope and change. she might have chosen an alternative path along time ago, but she didn't. it didn't work in 2008. i think the country is less -- mark: i don't see what choice she had. she needs a twist on establishment, which is to say an experienced change maker. i also, however, don't believe

that based on where we are headed in iowa and new hampshire that that message will stop sanders. it may work in other states, but i don't think that message will stop his momentum. john: a picture of her in the situation room on the day that the call was made about osama bin laden is brilliant. she should have that in every ad. anyway, coming up, we have john kasich and james sanders, but and kasich and james sanders, but first we have new hampshire's own dave carney, right after this. ♪ and ♪ mark: back here in laconia, new you hampshire with the pride of the granite state, republican and strategist -- someone calling the veteran -- dave carney. you carney. every mark: back here in

laconia, new hampshire with the pride of the granite state, republican strategist -- someone calling the veteran -- dave carney. dave, we are going to keep rolling through topics of the day, starting with donald trump. you are quoted recently saying if nothing changes, donald trump will win the primary. give me the most likely scenario where an trump is not a runner. -- what where -- a scenario where trump is not a winner. do you think if it is a donald trump winning scenario, it is a

cruz when? dave: only. john: you are saying that no establishment candidate can win bang -- can win the primary in your view? dave: third and fourth is doing really good. mark: where do you think trump's ceiling is? dave: somewhere in the 30's and 40's. if he wins iowa by 11 points -- mark: sometimes new hampshire voters say to iowa voters, screw off. if he wins iowa big, is it a possibility that new hampshire voters say -- dave: the only time that happens is if there is a campaign in new hampshire with a ground game, no one has invested -- mark: what do you think his floor is? dave: 25%. john: why is trump so strong here? dave: his message. he wants america grade, he talks in simplistic terms.

he says we are going to bomb the -- out of them. that's what most people think. mark: that's the question, willoughby cruz or the establishment guy? today we sat down with john kasich. we will have that for you in a moment. right now he is the hot candidate. a crucial block of independent voters has him tied in second place with 15%, the second poll in the past two weeks that has kasich in the number two spot behind trump. today the super pac supporting and put out the sad -- supporting him put out this ad, that we do not have right now. among the circular firing squad in new hampshire, so far no one has been taking aim at kasich. with that fact, how is the situation shaping up for kasich in the establishment wing derby, so to speak?

dave: those four guys have been beating the hell out of each other. kasich is in there as well, and we will see. they are not beating up on kasich because he is not a real threat. john: you're dismissing all the -- dave: he is tied with cruz. that shows something. he should be doing well if he is going to be competitive. and with hillary and bernie going -- fighting here, there is going to be a huge effort by hillary to attract independents to come help her out, and i think a lot of independents are going to be for bernie. mark: i still think a lot of independents are going to be for trump. the thing about kasich is not so much that people are hating them right now, which is what i suggested, it is stylistically,

he is different. he has approached this thing and a totally different way from bush, rubio, and christy, where he is basically like, i am not interested in fighting, i am interested in talking to voters. that might benefit him. dave: it helps. but trump talks to more voters. the thing with kasich is, is message is may be really good for new hampshire, so what if he won? what would happen? nothing. they would plant their flight here. they have nothing going on. mark: it's interesting, in terms of christie and kasich, you don't hear much from the establishment saying, if that guy emerges from new hampshire, we are all in. you hear it about bush still, and you certainly hear it about rubio. do you suggest if christie or kasich do well here, the establishment says that is the guy who can stop trump or cruz?

dave: i think they are so new hampshire centric that they don't have any of that network to pick up on. john: you think trump is going to be the nominee, right? dave: if he wins iowa and new hampshire, i don't know how anybody will stop them. john: is there anybody in the republican party right now who can stop donald trump? dave: i don't think so. only 18% of the voters have made a hard commitment. 82% in new hampshire are wide open. the finance reports are going to say a lot. a lot of the campaigns are broke, they just have not reported it yet. it is going to be telling. it's not like voters generally care, but activists do. i think it is very fluent. most of these guys could really surprised, but i don't think it is likely. mark: is there anything a

campaign can do except do well in the debates debate through? -- debates to breakthrough? dave: if someone has a message. bernie has a message, trump has a message. mark: dave carney, thank you for stopping by. up next, our casual conversation with john kasich, right after this. ♪

♪ john: as i mentioned earlier, we sat down with john kasich minnesota shop in new hampshire. -- minnesota -- in a soda shop in new hampshire. among other things, we talked about what kasich is up against and what he can do to overcome that this advantage. mark: you are running against

five guys now, all of them which research suggests are better known than you are. i think that at some point, elect ability is going to kick in for a lot of voters. again, i know you only talk about -- you only talked about yourself, which is fine, but make the case why you would be a strong general election candidate. gov. kasich: because i have one thing in possible races. i think the best -- won impossible races. the best example is ohio. i was told by somebody, when is the last time a republican won the presidency without winning ohio? mark: never. we are a young country, though. gov. kasich: that's true, we got a of years left. i would say that when i get known and people do here me, i would think it would go well. mark: let's talk about the general election message, why would you be bernie sanders or hillary clinton? gov. kasich: because i appeal to people across the board, only because i have been hard to define. maybe that's one of the problems. for people not to be able to put me in a box, maybe that works against me, but i also think it works for me. people did not know me here, and now i am rising here. if i come out of here, i may

start posting this show. and still, nobody would know me, but that's ok. you know what i'm saying. you get known, and people get a measure of view, and i am confident that it will go well. i was confident it would go well here. a lot of people were not. they gave me no time, no energy, no oxygen, no nothing. john: there are a lot of people in hillary clinton's world and other places to say that republicans are -- they really want bernie sanders to be their opponent. bernie sanders would be a much easier mark.

is it obvious to you that it would be better, if you had to pick an opponent? is an obvious that bernie sanders would be an easier opponent than hillary clinton? gov. kasich: i think that bernie could be the president of ben & jerry's, but i don't think the united states. too far out. mark: on what issues specifically? gov. kasich: about all of them. mark: give me one or two. gov. kasich: a 90% tax rate. come on. it's not going to happen. john: so you take it would be an easier race. -- think it would be an easier race. gov. kasich: i'm not sure about that. i think both would be easy people. just like hillary, she thinks she is doing great and then something happens. i think it is because she is a mechanical candidate, she is not a visionary. i think people like people who have vision, or some semblance of vision. they are not really into plumbers. i like plumbers, but they are like, let me fix this thing for that.

john: so his problems are on issues and ideology and her problems are on character? mark: you are kind of in a sweet spot here where you are doing well, but the other five guys are all beating each other up, and you are maybe going to get through to the end without tons of scrutiny. when you have success, eventually, tell us about your mental and intellectual readiness to be hammered by some of these other candidates and super pac's. gov. kasich: take things a day at a time. but again, if you -- if your whole life depends on this, then you don't have any space. you just do the best you can. mark: is there going to be a day where we turn on the news and see john kasich looking like a deer in the headlights? upset, worried? is that happening? gov. kasich: probably. i have no idea. mark: what is the toughest political attack ever made against you, and how did you handle it? gov. kasich: probably -- am i

can get into it. -- i am not going to get into it. i have had some that have been wrong, but you grow, you learn in this business. mark: have you ever turn on the tv and seen a negative attack ad against you? gov. kasich: yeah. mark: did you laugh at it, roll your eyes, swear? what do you do? gov. kasich: guys, it's all part of it. mark: it is part of it, but you are not going to be president or the nominee without millions of dollars of negative ads. gov. kasich: i had millions of dollars spent against me when i read for governor. called me everything, said i stole people's pensions and bankrupted lehman brothers. i just go through it, like a gauntlet.

mark: but do you laugh it off? gov. kasich: i just don't overthink it. i might say to some people, what do you think about that ad, but i just don't live in that world. mark: have you seen any -- gov. kasich: since i have been running, i cannot remember the last time i turned the television on. i don't turn the television on. not because i am against television -- mark: how do you see our show? gov. kasich: i don't. i watch the golf channel. john: the rest of our conversation with john kasich in a minute. in the meantime, don't forget you are watching us in washington, d.c., you can now listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm. we will be right back. ♪

mark: here is part two of our conversation with governor kasich at the soda shop in laconia, new hampshire. we started off asking governor kasich what that things are that he would count about himself -- tout about himself to persuade a voter to choose him over jeb

bush? gov. kasich: private sector experience. mark: he's got private verse -- private sector experience. gov. kasich: maybe not the same. i'm not that kind of guy, i just want to talk to them, that's all. i don't get asked that kind of question. john: really? gov. kasich: no. they come to cap -- they come to town halls, i tell them who i am, and they make up their mind. mark: so compared to senator rubio, i assume that you takes it -- you taking second of experience as a reason to choose you, right? gov. kasich: i'm just doing my thing at the town halls, telling people who i am and letting them choose. i'm not into all this comparative stuff. people can figure it out for themselves.

john: so what is different here? beyond the poll numbers, forget all that. what is different about how town halls feel now compared to when you first started out? gov. kasich: they don't feel any different at all. john: same reaction, same crowd size? announcer: gov. kasich: draper, the magnificent writer of the "new york times" magazine, came out and said, give kasich is due. -- his due. it is paying off. he doesn't pander. these town halls are not any different than what i did in the

beginning of my career, which is, you go to people's homes, you what you think, they figure out who you are. in my first campaign for the state senate, i think i did over 100 of these little coffees, is what i call them. these are not really any different, it's just that these are bigger and in a big place. mark: that i can tell. you have not changed any positions in the course of this campaign, and when asked about some parts of your record, you forthrightly explained it. have your advisors ever said to you, hey, you should change this position? gov. kasich: i have people chirping at me all the time, but fundamentally the people who are closest to me say, just be yourself. mark: what do you think causes other people who run to change expansions -- to change positions and not rightfully explain their past? gov. kasich: they want to tell somebody what they want to hear, because naturally that is human nature. for me, i think i have never been that way. i agree, i will tell them, but if i don't agree, why don't i just tell them -- particularly if i know something, why not just tell them? i find people kind of like that. some don't, but i feel like this lady last night was talking social security, i said, let me explain to you how this thing

really works. i would rather tell you and have you understand the system them for me -- than for me to mislead you. i guess at the end, i am not willing to do things or say things to get elected. because what is that about? you get elected and you have set multiple things to multiple people, then what do you do? why did you run? they either take you for who you are, it's not worth being elected. life is not going to go on -- life is going to go on if i don't win. nobody can work harder than i am, and i want to win, but, you know, life goes on. mark: what was the last thing that happened on the trail that touch do you? gov. kasich: there is so much that does, but these two little girls came on the back of the bus, and they were so sweet, but i tell you, there was another thing that happened, and there was a boy, he and his dad came

on the bus. one of my guys pointed out that he had leukemia, so he had been getting treated. so i took him into the back of the bus and talked to him about -- i mean, i don't understand the fear that he has, but i talked to him about how i feel about life and the lord. great kid. i think his dad really appreciated it. there have been a lot of moments. we were in that place in manchester where they were rehabbing people. i'm walking down the hall, there was a guy there, i said, how are you doing? he said, i'm here being treated. i gave him a hug. this is no different than what i see in ohio, the same deal. john: in a similar vein, the? asked just a second ago -- and the question that mark asked just a second ago, you are running a cheerful campaign. certainly a lot of other

candidates are appealing to this, so this is actually my question. the premise of a lot of the other candidates is that the country is going to help. they look out -- going to hell. they look out and they see a gloomy picture. you do not. does that mean you see the world through rose-colored glasses? are they wrong? gov. kasich: because i have an around, i have seen things getting fixed almost all of my lifetime. when you have experience and you can see how you can attack faxing problems and get them fixed, why would you change your mind and say everything is going to help? it's not. -- going to hell? it's not. in the new hampshire house, i could tell them, hey, you done something special. you are helping to save lives. isn't that fantastic? you know what? you do better when you have a good attitude as opposed to a negative attitude, but in my experience am a i have seen the berlin wall come crumbling down, right?

mark: pretty good. gov. kasich: yeah, who would've thought that? i have seen so many things happen. we have a drug now that cured hepatitis c. we put a man on the moon. we have our problems, but there are so many unbelievable things now that you are not even old anymore. you would have been, but now you are not because we are living so much longer. mark: there are a range of tax plans from different candidates, anywhere from lowering deductions, marco rubio has ideas about lowering family credits, and senator cruz has an idea about business taxes.

where are you on tax reform? what are the common principles? gov. kasich: i think everybody is for corporate taxes. i think the democrats are for that. i think on the personal rates, i asked people at the town halls, how many think we will have a 10% flat tax, and one hand goes up? mark: because it's unrealistic. gov. kasich: yeah. i think tax cuts will be hard to achieve early on. i think it is harder than balancing the budget. where will we be, probably close to where i am at 25% and 10%, a lower capital gains rate with limited deductions, but we are still a taxcutting party. we still are taxcutting. but sometimes, probably when it comes to tax reform, it's hard to be a taxcutting party because that makes us choose between run -- between one group or another. someone will be affected negatively to bring everybody else down. it is a tough fight. mark: thanks to juncker kasich. -- governor kasich. when we come back, discussion with jane sanders in iowa. ♪ ♪ john: if you watch the circus, our new show sunday night at 8:00 on showtime, you saw a bit

♪ john: if you watch the circus, our new show sunday night at

8:00 on showtime, you saw a bit of our conversation with bernie sanders' wife, jane. here is our full conversation in des moines, iowa. we discussed her husband running for president, and what ultimately change your mind about it. ms. sanders: it is not other thing -- not anything he has really considered. he is feeling an obligation to do it. that's where it came from. it came from, our country is becoming an oligarchy, there are so many things that need to be changed, and the powers that be are becoming much more centralized, much smaller group of people running our democracy. i think we just felt like, how could we not do it? how can we complain about it and not do everything that we can to change it? it just never occurred to me. a lot of people were asking him. john: almost universally, the spouses of candidates are generally the most hesitant, kind of like, what's it going to do for my family, to me? how many hours will we have to be on the road? did you immediately say you should do this? ms. sanders: i have not told

this story, so -- john: you can tell it now. [laughter] ms. sanders: when we first started talking about it, it was frustration that the issues that were most important to the american people were not being covered by the media. they were not in the conversation in the last presidential debate or the one before that, and eight certainly were not in the congressional debates. it was all he said, she said. we were talking, how the heck do we get people to pay attention of this? we said, what if we float the idea that he run for president, that he is thinking about running? there were three of us in the room. john: who was the other person? ms. sanders: richard, our best friend. we weren't planning on having a political discussion, we were just talking about this. we decided -- i said, it is fine to float that idea and see what

happens, but we are not going to do it. john: why? your reluctance was based on what? ms. sanders: an experience, not knowing anything about -- it would not have occurred to me to do that. we were hearing a lot from people, so the fact that so many people from the outside were saying, you really have to run, and i was saying, i don't know that we are ready for this, it is quite a bit. ego and arrogance is not bernie's into place. his thing is service. john: so you decided, let's float it, but we are not going to do this. ms. sanders: we agreed to float it, and then we were shocked at how little birdies -- how little the issues were being covered. let's be clear here, we are just thinking. we are getting the issues.

we are more successful than we ever thought. if you look at the media over the time, it is clear that the issues were being talked about. then our brain trust kept on saying, well, what about it? i just kept on saying, no, can you do it some other way? what about founding a nonprofit organization? and they just kept on telling me, there is no way we can affect the change we want to affect without running for president. so eventually, we talked about it quite a bit, and i was reticent, but i think you probably know the story of the veteran at denny's. john: go ahead, tell us. ms. sanders: we were at the point where were going to make a decision this weekend. we went out to breakfast at annie's. john: what town was this? ms. sanders: burlington.

person after person kept coming up and saying, bernie, we think you should run. if you are thinking about it, because everybody knew we were, we will be there and support you. these were all working-class people in denny's. and we were at the point where he was saying, i said to him, if you really want to do it, you know that i will be 100% behind you. it is not something i am excited about, but if you feel it is the right thing to do, you know i will be 100 percent behind you. he says, i don't want to do it unless you are 100% there. in walks a veteran, and he says, i don't mean to interrupt, i just want to tell you how much i support you, and i want to thank you. you got me my benefits after 30 years, vietnam, agent orange. i will do anything that i can if you run for president because we needed. -- for president, because we need you.

i had tears in my eyes. i sat down. bernie shook his hand. i sat down and said, i give up. you have to do it, i guess. that was it. and it was, go for it. john: literally you said, i gave up. the last resistance. ms. sanders: it was because of where he was coming from. it's not, i want to be president, it's i want to make a difference in this world, i want to help the working class, i want to help the veterans, the issues that he is always talking about. he feels them so strongly. i do too. i am so proud of him because of all of that. i kept on thinking that there is another way to do that, to address those issues.

i admit now that i was wrong. the only way to do it, to really get the attention on the issues and change the conversation, and then hopefully implement the changes, is to run and become president. john: our thanks once again to jane sanders. remember, watch "the circus" on sunday nights at 8:00 p.m. on showtime. coming up, the other candidates running for president, and by other, we really mean other, after this. ♪

mark: there are so many candidates running, it is sometimes hard to keep track of them all, and that's when you learn that there are 58 other people that are officially running for president in new hampshire, and they are people you have never heard of. this week in the granite state, these other hopefuls were gathered for the lesser-known candidate for him. our colleague went and chronicled it. ♪

>> my name is joe robinson, and i am a republican candidate. >> i am running for president of the united states. >> president of the united states. >> we have 58 candidates on the ballot this time, 30 on the republicans and 28 on the democratic ballot. >> the new hampshire primary has always been the primary for the little guy. >> they call it the debate for the lesser candidates, i would prefer other candidates, or perhaps candidates of the people. >> new hampshire is a place where you follow the -- you file your application, pay one thousand dollars, and it allows you to be on the ballot.

>> its unique, i don't know what other state does it. >> this is the seventh time i have run, i think it is the all-time record. >> this is the same sweater i wore in 2007. this year i'm on the ballot in puerto rico, louisiana, rhode island, west virginia, pennsylvania, and arizona. >> i am the pro-life democrat running in this primary. i qualified today for 30 ballots. >> in addition, voters in iowa will have only three choices, clinton, sanders, and myself. o'malley did not qualify in ohio. >> how many members of the panel here have run for president of the united states before this year? >> how many of you would keep the does tengion center in plot --the detention center in guantánamo bay open? >> i would keep hillary clinton there. >> i am clear that the founders intended for the national born citizen clause to have a restraint. >> who thinks that ted cruz is not eligible to be president of the united states? just mr. robinson. [applause] >> i think it went pretty good.

we all had an equal chance to speak, and very good questions. >> is there anybody here on the stage you would side with the republicans who wanted to defund, as they put it, planned parenthood? >> i certainly would appoint someone who believed in a woman's right to choose. >> i'm a pro-life democrat myself, but i would not take away a woman's right to choose. >> i am the only pro-life democrat in this race, i don't know if anybody out there -- nobody who thinks that roe v wade was well reasoned as pro-life. >> what happens in this country to get on the --what has to happen in order to get on the so-called mainstay? -- main stage? >> new hampshire allows well reasoned candidates to express their views. there is no reason that one or two of the candidates at the table now can jump into the top

tier. >> the chances of anyone making it through this pack is not mathematically possible. >> well i got 222 last time against the president of the united states, that was my highest total, but i have not had the money to be up her for a year and by advertising. >> the real problem for all of us is that we do not get media exposure. with all due respect to the people from wmur, if you categorize the number of minutes that hillary clinton appears on wmur, and you categorize the number of minutes that all of us of the together, she would vastly outweigh. hillary is going to be elected, this is a fact, we just have to face reality. but if i can actually get into a debate against her, i think i could win the election, but that's not going to happen, i don't think. >> one-on-one, i could beat hillary, but i am not included in the polls. >> i have over 50,000 facebook likes, more than lincoln chafee or jim webb, and they made the main stage. >> i do need a new job, but i don't like i will be going to the white house.

i am promoting this issue, very much so, to say the natural world, to stop -- save the natural world, to stop the destruction and extinction of many species. >> you never know when lightning strikes, but it is highly unlikely at this point. >> i would like to throw my support behind bernie sanders in this campaign. >> thank you, new hampshire, so much to make -- for making this available to us all. [applause] >> i don't know how and when the new hampshire voters will see this debate, but if they do, then i think i have -- i think i can express myself well, and they will appreciate that fact. mark: thanks to griffin hammond and all of the 58 candidates. we will be right back.

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john: another day, another dollar. who do you think won this day? mark: bernie sanders, the poll. i love simon and garfunkel, great optimistic message. john: you're right about that 100%. mark: yeah, sanders won the day. john: tomorrow, we have julianne moore, watch it. thanks here to the café in laconia, new hampshire. mark: and don't forget that you can watch us and listen to us on the radio. for now, sayonara. ♪

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