compared to the princess of prancercise. >> that's it for me. i am going to prancercise my way out of here. erin burnett starts right now. the fbi admits it is using drones to spy on americans here on american soil. plus the latest from the whitey bolger trial. and new information about the explosions that brought down twa flight 800. some are saying it wasn't an accident. let's go outfront. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight big brother is watching you. literally, with a drone. and without rules. today fbi director admitted

under questioning during a senate judiciary committee hearing. >> does the fbi own or currently use drones and if so for what purpose? >> yes and for surveillance. i think i can assume since you use drones that the fbi has a valid set of policies and procedures and limits on the use of drones and whether or not privacy impact on american citizens? >> we are in the initial stages of doing that. i will tell you that our foot print is very small. we have very few and of limited use and are exploring not only the use but also the necessary guide lines for that use. >> he made it clear this is happening on american soil. the fbi already acknowledged using unmanned surveillance aircraft to monitor a specific situation. you may remember it where the

little boy was being held hostage in a bunker in alabama. he said there were other times. we don't know how often the drones are used and to do what and whether your rights are being violated. rand paul, good to see you. are you surprised? >> i wish i can tell you that i was surprised. i am a little concerned that we are going to use the drones and then develop rules for them. the most important rules for the use of surveillance are basically the bill of rights. you have to have a search warrant to use a drone to go after someone. some of this is murky because we have had decisions by the courts saying open spaces don't require a warrant. i disagree with those cases and think we need to revisit that. particularly if they are using drones they need to have a judge's warrant. >> you have been critical at the least, i guess. i think you agree with my characterization, of the administration and its

surveillance programs and the recent revelations about the nsa. in 2007 then senator obama was very loud in his criticism of president bush and surveillance programs saying they put together a false choice when it came to liberty versus security. today president obama defended his use of surveillance programs. >> i came in with a healthy skepticism about how our various programs were structured but what i have been able to do is examine and scrub how our intelligence services are operating. and i'm confident that at this point we have struck the appropriate balance. >> he obviously changed his point of view somewhat when he

got into office. all of a sudden when a terrorist attack happens it is your responsibility. former vice president dick cheney was criticizing you saying surveillance programs would have prevented 9/11. do you think you would feel differently if you were in the oval office? >> i think there is a saying that power corrupts. i think when people get elected to be the president of the united states they think my predecessor was a bad person and he never misused this. really it is about the power and isn't about the person. madison said if the government was compromised of angels we wouldn't need to limit power. i believe power corrupts the best of people. we limit how much power we give to the executive. i think you do accept the restraints of the constitution because that is how we protect

freedom. >> i was going to say there were well known angels that became pretty corrupted. it has been said that terrorists only have to be right once to do something absolutely horrific that changes the course of history. the government has to be right every single time in order to prevent the loss of life. are you confident you can be right every time as president? >> i don't think anybody can be perfect. we could put dna chips under everybody's skin. we can stamp the back of everybody's forehead. we could put cameras in everybody's house we would still get attacked and wouldn't have freedom. if you listen closely to the intelligence committee not one of these people couldn't have been caught with a traditional judge's warrant. they are always saying and other devices. almost every instance we got a terrorist name and we looked and traced their phone calls. we are getting the names through good police work.

i think we can have freedom and security. >> an interesting point. what about what happened yesterday when nsa chief testified. he was asked about whether authorities could -- was saying flip a switch and listen to phone calls. if they think something is happening just listen into that call. here is how he answered that direct question. >> does the technology exist to flip a switch by some analysts to listen to american's phone calls or read their e-mails? >> no. >> so the technology does not exist for an individual or group of individuals at the nsa to flip a switch and listen to americans phone calls or read their e-mails? >> that is correct. >> former cia agent questioned that. he said they have the ability. he said it may not be literally flicking a switch but the ability to listen. >> we have the ability to look at individuals e-mail but they

are saying to look at the content they have to get a warrant. is it a switch or line of computer code typed in? something is done to read the e-mails because they can and they admit they can read your e-mails and listen to your phone calls with a warrant. they say they are only do ittin with a warrant. they were dishonest when they said they weren't collecting any data on americans. turns out they are collecting a billion every day. so there is a bit of a credibility here. i don't know how we regain trust from the intelligence committee when the director of national intelligence has admitted to lying to a u.s. senator and to a committee. >> thanks very much to senator rand paul. dramatic testimony today in the whitey bulger trial. how the defense plans to discredit a witness. new claims about the explosion that brought down twa

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literally tore nootd the prosecution's key witness. he c he has given three days of testimony tying bulger to multiple murders and putting the gun with the trigger in bulger's hand. today bulger's team tried to convince the jury that he is not to be believed. >> reporter: portraying him as a mass murderer, a serial killer, a liar without remorse lawyers for james whitey bulger tried to undermine one of the state's witnesses. bulger's lawyer pointing out inconsistencies or lies. you lied to your friend john callahan, didn't you asked frank brennan. that was a necessity told the

confessed hit man. i told him i wanted to see him. at times he seemed to parse his words describing another murder martorano testified i stabbed him, i didn't kill him, adding not until later. sometimes however the hitman would do what was needed no questions asked because bulger, quote, knew the right buttons to press. the government was prepared to give him whatever they wanted because they were desperate to make their case against bulger. the hitman said he knew if he lied he would go back to prison. before wrapping up the testimony he confirmed that together he and whitey bulger were involved in 11 murders and that bulger had allegedly told him he had killed two others on his own. and tomorrow the families of some of the victims will

testify. they will give details of the people who were killed. and this trial is so important to those families. they had been waiting decades for whitey bulger to be brought to justice. >> deborah feyerick has been in that courtroom in boston. new claims today that twa flight 800. i remember where i was the day this happened and i remember reading everything possible about it when it came out in the papers. it exploded over the atlantic ocean in 1996. now apparently it may not have been an accident. the ill fated flight killed all 232 people on board when it blew up soon after takeoff leaving jfk. the initial investigation said it was a short circuit on the plane. originally they were saying because it was so hot outside the plane had to sit and the heat contributed to the spark. a new documentary suggests the

initial report was correct. film maker spoke with cnn today. >> we show solid proof that there was an external detonation in the form of everybody knows about the eyewitness statements. we have radar data that shows an explosion coming out of that plane, something that didn't happen in the official theory. >> and as part of the documentary david mattingly did a special investigative documentary on this looking into the ntsb efforts to try to conduct an investigation. and also david what some people were saying there were allegations of something shot from the ground, some sort of a rocket and conspiracy theories about what might have happened. what do you make of this new so-called evidence? >> let me put it this way. everything this film maker is saying flies in the face of what has become known as the most intense and most meticulous

investigation in the history of aviation. this investigation did things that no other investigation ever did before or since. they actually recovered more than 90% of the plane from the bottom of the ocean. they didn't just bring it back to the hang arwhere they examine it. they reassembled this aircraft, absolutely unheard of in any kind of air disaster investigation. but they did that. i walked through this aircraft that they reassembled. i saw the pieces that they put back together and i listened to the investigators as they described how pain steakingly they went piece by piece to come to the conclusion it was a spark ignited. as far as a missile strike goes there would have been some tell tale signs on the outside of the aircraft. there would have been marks,

damage done from the missile that was very easy to determine. they found no evidence whatsoever that this happened. they found no evidence whatsoever that there was a bomb on board the aircraft. they went into this thinking it might be terrorism and might be some kind of attack. they came away very quickly able to determine that this did not happen. now, a lot of these conspiracy theories focus on the radar. there was about a dozen radar tapes that were compiled from long island at the time that this happened. i was able to see one of them that actually landed in the hands of a retired pilot who is one of the people that believes this plane was brought down by a missile. i have watched it with him in his own home and the conversation went just like this. listen. >> if this is a missile, we're about 30 seconds away from the explosion. >> let's right. >> how does it take a missile 30 seconds to reach that aircraft

when it is so close. >> i have no explanation for that. >> we never see it cross the path of flight 800. >> you don't. >> you don't see the blip that was supposed to be the missile actually striking the airplane. you don't see it crossing the path of that airplane. this is just one piece of the evidence that we examined looking at some of the conspiracy theories out there. something the investigation did, it provoked sweeping changes by manufacturer boeing. in about three years all of these aircraft will have been refitted or the aircraft will have new equipment to prevent this from happening again. what won't go away here are the conspiracy theories that seem to ignore the facts that were brought up in this investigation. >> thank you very much. you got to walk around in there and have a chance to actually see some of those radars which is pretty incredible.

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our third story, big ben's market dive. the dow jones plunged more than 200 points. it was a really big drop. the reason? this. >> generally speaking financial conditions are improving. >> that's right. they are improving. why is that bad news? because today for the first time, ben bernanke talked about taking the drug away from the

addict, talking about pumping money into the economy to keep interest rates low. we have all gotten pretty addicted to ben's drugs. we are oon round three of what i call pumping money into the economy, they call quantitative easing with their noses in the air. you can see each of the new rounds has caused stocks to move higher. as they started to end stocks fell and back up against. starting later this year the fed will start taking the drugs away. outfront ben white chief economic correspondentic. so he comes out and says things are getting better. >> and the stock market tanks. >> americans say they are worse off now than they were a year ago. that is more than say they were betterer off. what does today's news mean for people with a nest egg and a

house under water. >> people with a house who want to refinance should probably do it because interest rates will be going a little higher if the fed stops this drug giving to the economy. if you are going to refinance do it now. a new home purchase do it sooner rather than later. in terms of stocks hold on to them. wait this out. it is going to be crazy while the market tries to figure out when the fed is going to take the drug away. if you are really nervous about it you might take money out. my advice is sit tight and let the fed figure it out and the market will get back to balance. >> i am buying a house for the first time. it was ben bernanke who encouraged me to do it sooner than later. >> take advantage it. what about the chart earliert that every time there is a big pump, push of money into the

economy it is like you put the money in and the market goes up. what happens? you are saying it may not go down sharply. what happens when it goes away? >> it will bounce around a while. this activity that the fed is involved in, buying these bonds they make stocks look cheaper and people want to get in on stocks. every time the fed has done this. the fundamentals are not that bad. corporate profits are not that bad. if the fed does it right and slowly and take the drugs away in a methodical way stocks will find equilibrium again. in the interim we will have days like this where traders look and try to figure it out. it is unprecedented territory, the fed to be doing this. it is just going to be a rocky ride. there is a chance they mess it up and stocks chance. the chances of that are very slim. >> thank you very much.

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus on reporting from the front lines. i want to begin with the irs. it is expected to pay $70 million in bonuses to employees. according to senator chuck grassley. heap sent a letter asking to explain why the agency would be giving out bonuses that are supposed to be frozen under federal spending cuts. this comes two weeks after the report about the $4.1 million the agency spent on a conference including more than $50,000 spent on a video. federal official tells cnn

two men are charged in a plot to use some sort of x-ray machine to target people they didn't like and that includes high ranking government officials. glenden crawford and eric were charged with conspiracy to support terrorists. radiation bio professor says a radar machine would be a large and heavy device. while there are concerns about the possibility of radioactive dirty bombs he says an x-ray ray gun would be pretty impossible. amanda knox's boyfriend is being forced to leave swi switzerland according to the literary agent. they are facing a retrial in italy over the death of knox's room mate in 2007.

took to ask for donations to pay for legal expenses. the agent says the family spent more than $1 million. it has been 685 days since the u.s. lost the top credit rating. under employment remains crucial in this country. a new report finds business majors are 8.2 times more likely to work in jobs they are overqualified for. apparently the full time barista makes $19,000 a year. we have breaking news tonight in the case of a mother and daughter held captive for two years in ohio. i want to show you this video. it is exclusive video we have obtained in this case. i am going to show it to you in a moment. authorities now say a fourth person has turned himself and will be charged with forced labor. this comes after yesterday's

announcement that callahan, jessica hunt and daniel brown were arrested for forcing a mother and daughter to live in inhuman conditions, eat dog food while threatening them with poisonous states and pit bulls. callahan and hunt deny the allegations. thank you have taking the time. we appreciate it. let's start with the allegations here because as i go through them the allegations as you well know are pretty horrific. a mother and daughter abused, eating dog food, tormented by snakes and pit bulls forced to sleep on a cement floor with no mattress. how does jordy chandler explain the accusations. >> it was clear they were never forced. this group was all friends. there are photographs we showed your reporters that had them all drinking beer together and laughing and joking on a couch.

they moved to several different residences together. this is not a forced slave labor. >> so let me ask you about this video that i know you have. this is video taking by jordie on his cell phone. we are going to show parts of it but it apparently shows the mother here who authorities say was a victim hitting her daughter in 2011. the mother says she was forced to do this by jordie chandler and the others. she was threatened with a beating. we are going to play the video for our viewers you can see her. we have blurred everyone in the pictures. you will see her. >> the video is horrific. i cringe every time you see something like this. she said she never beat her child. they told her they had video of it and she admitted to beating

her child once. they told her she did it numerous times in the video. she said no one made her when they told her they were going to investigate. she said she was forced to do it. this was a woman who -- when they investigated that they said they were in the room egging her on when the video clearly shows she is alone. the story is they told her to do it. her story has changed so many times i think a strange credibility to believe. this is not a slave labor type case. >> how do you explain why she is saying what she is saying now? it is so specific. it is the pit bulls, the snakes. so specific and so -- the list is long. >> right. and jordie callahan and jessica hunt's four children lived with them with the snakes and dogs and iguana.

the child's mother says she was not in the room with the reptiles. to watch the series of conversations they had with her, her story changes as the case progresses until she gets to the point where everything bad happened is something someone forced her to do. it started out with her denying all of this. the evidence shows she's now got this story and i believe she is sticking with it. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time. we are going to continue to be covering the story and try to understand what happened in that home in oohio. i want to get to breaking news. we have just confirmed. hbo is confirming that actorer james gandolfini has died at the age of 51. he was on vacation in italy. everyone watching knows who he is. probably best remembered for the

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we have our breaking news now. we can confirm the death of james gandolfini, the actor best known for his role in "the sopranos" as tony soprano. hbo is confirming that he died while vacationing in italy earlier today as a possible apparent heart attack. he was 51 years old. i want to bring in bonnie fuller of hollywoodlife.com. this is shocking when you hear this about anyone. do you know anything about whether he had any idea he had any kind of heart problem or anything or was this suddenly out of the blue on vacation? >> i think from everything we are hearing this is completely and uttererly out of the blue.

no known heart issues. james gandolfini was a little bit heavy so a little bit overweight but lots of people are overweight and don't have heart attacks. he was only 51 years old. and i think clearly he didn't think he had any health issues. he was in italy to attend a film festival in sicily. he thought he was in good health. >> when we first saw this headline i don't know what your reaction was but we heard this from somebody in the italian-american community. cnn started looking into this and everybody thought it was a hoax at first. did you have the same reaction? >> we were shocked. what i think is so sad is he has children. he has a young daughter who was just born about a year ago and has teenage son from his previous marriage so my heart goes out to them. >> a young daughter born about a year ago. that is so sad.

that is so sad. what can you tell us -- we all know him as the sopranos. that's the kind of -- the lovable guy who is struggling with life and struggling with his lust and his love. he played so magnificently. he played the role of a mobster before. he said he was inspired by a friend of his who was a hitman. he knew this world personally. >> he did know the world personally. on the other hand he was supposed to be a great guy. i heard from actors who worked with him, he was very generous that he was not like his character. he was a man who had a big heart and and couldn't be further from his character, tony soprano. >> what do you know about what he was working on now?

he was there working right? >> he was there going to the 59th film festival in sicily. didn't he appear with kristin stewart in an independent movie that came out about two years ago? i think he was really picking and choosing what he did. >> what more do you know about his personal situation? i know you are saying that he had -- he was married for the second time and had a 1-year-old daughter. what more do you knowt about his health? i'm just thinking back to people that i knew. my former partner who died suddenly of an apparent heart attack. when we think of tim rusert of "meet the press."

this happens to people that they don't have awareness that they have a problem with their heart. >> absolutely. i think that -- i don't know if there was a history of heart disease in his family but clearly he was not aware of it. his family were native italians. he went to a catholic high school. i'm trying to find out if his father died early. but we don't have that information yet. and he was a -- the thing is he apparently loved motorcycles. he would go to some sports in his free time. he owned a harley davidson. he was a fan of riding around

new york city. he was hit by a taxi in 2006. he was a guy who did what he wanted to do. he had fun. i'm on a train, i'm sorry. so he indulged things he liked to do. i don't think he had any idea that he was running a risk with his health at this time. >> it's amazing the perspective you are able to give. i know you say the friends that knew him well are telling you in person he wasn't like his character on "the sopranos" i'm thinking about how he loved his harley davidson and risk taking. it does seem to think. you think when you play a character as successfully as he did it would seem a part of you has to connect with that person

because he just fit that role. that is why he was so successful. you look at him. you don't think james gandolfini, you think tony soprano. >> he had another side. he produce td the documentary for hbo which analyzed the effects of post traumatic stress disorder. and i don't think of tony soprano doing something like that. he was very -- >> and it looks like we just lost bonnie. you heard her say she was on a train. i want to bring larry king. larry king was just with james gandolfini a couple of weeks ago. i believe at a dinner. you interviewed him before. you know him. did you have any sense there was anything wrong? >> it was in vegas at a dinner at the same table. i had no sense at all.

he seemed jovial and happy. there was a big auction. one of the things they auctioned off was a big cruise of the mediterranean and the guy next to him bought the whole boat for like $250,000 for the week. he bid on it and he invited james gandolfini to go with him and james said, of course, i'll go. he was very exuberant, very lively, very friendly. according to a lot of people in the business, an under rated actorer. he stamped himself in t"the sopranos" that he was overlooked. what did he die of? >> we are hearing possible heart attack while at a film festival. he was in italy i guess a combination of vacation and work. they are saying heart attack. >> obviously he was overweight.

i knew of any previous illness. i am very sad to hear this. he was a wonderful presence in america and of course he stamped that role. he made that his role. :but his other work, too, as well he did westerns. he was a very diverse charter, actor who became a star. >> and larry, you had a chance to interview with him and sit down with him, get a sense of who the person was. what was he like, you know, when you sat down and had that eye to eye contact, that face-to-face, what was he like as a person? >> he was extremely friendly and not -- kind of reduced ego, if i can put it that way. handlers following with him, he was -- there's only way to put it, he was a regular guy, like one of the guys.

it would be like -- you know, i'm a brooklyn guy. he would be like a guy you want to hang out on a corner with him. you know, he's like let's go have a pizza. he was just a really down to earth regular guy. a lot of actors have errors about them, he had none of that at all. you would have liked him, erin. he was a gentle fun person. really sad to hear this. i'm sure many, many, many americans are very sad tonight. >> well, larry, i have to say when we first heard it, you know how sometimes you start to hear a rumor and people say is it true? we thought it was a hoax, actually because it didn't seem possible because, you know, he is so much larger than life and so young, only 51 years old, or he was only 51 years old. no one -- none of us believed it. so when it was actually confirmed, we were just totally shocked. >> he did enjoy eating. >> so tell me a little bit about that, about the part when you

said -- when you were in vegas with him and you told the story about the $250,000 yacht for the week and james said i'll go along, no problem, i'll be there, you described him as exubera exuberant. >> it was a major black tie dinners they do in vegas for parkinson's disease and he was a big supporter of that, by the way and a big fan of ali's. but he also -- i noticed he enjoyed his food. he -- it kind of humorous to say it but he was not shy at the table. >> yeah, so i guess that fits with -- i mean, i'm just enjoying hearing you say this because i'm just a fan that watched him over the years on the sparanos and i go home every night and my husband has the

sapronos on and i'm like, why aren't you watching cnn? they are in the family. when you say, larry, this sense of a person that he was just -- didn't care about the crew and being famous -- >> none of that. yeah, he had none of that at all, erin. if he was in your studio tonight at cnn, he would have hung around, have layofughs with himd he probably would go out with you after the show. he was unaffected. he enjoyed the moment, too. he went right -- when the guy bought the cruise, sure, i'll go. >> yeah, right, like he was just like that's cool, i'm going to do it -- >> right there, no should i think about it? i'm going. >> larry, do you know anything -- i know you and i are talking about this for the first time so i don't want to put you

on the spot. do you know anything about his family. he had a teenage son and she was saying he had a young daughter who was only a year old, his second marriage but a brand-new little daughter. what do you know about his personal life? >> very little. i don't know. i'm trying to remember who he was with that night, and i believe he was alone. my memory is he didn't have a dinner partner. >> right. >> i don't -- i don't think he had a dinner partner that night. i'm pretty sure he didn't. >> right, well i guess he was assuming that she would be happy to go along on that wonderful cruise. who wouldn't, right? i know it's -- >> [ laughter ] >> sad to laugh but sounds good. yes, i'm sure, absolutely. and larry, so i guess your final memory, if you just had to describe him in a few words, what would you say? >> he was a genuine good guy, as strong an actor as he was, as

gentle a person as he was. you will not see his likes again. >> and larry, i know i said that was the last question but i did want to follow up on what you said because when you talk about him being a strong actor and i keep focussing on the sparanos because that's what i saw but you were talking about how he was perhaps under appreciated in so many other roles he played. >> yeah, because he is -- in america we have a lot of people that are charter actors and he played many diverse roles, best friend, through the ages. very rarely does a charter actor become a star, and the sapronos made him a star, but he was that charter actor, which is the kind of person who the role comes first, he would subject himself

to the other performers. great on theater, film, on television and gets this role of a lifetime and becomes a major star, but in essence, he still was a regular guy. he was james gandolfini, a regular guy. >> it happened later in life. it didn't happened in his 20s. he was working and perfecting the craft at that time and he broke out when he was a mature person. >> correct, he was not an over-night hit. >> he worked hard for it and that's part of the reason i think so many people connected with him, and he worked for it and earned it. larry, thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to join us. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> larry king as he was saying not only interviewed james

gandolfini, he was at a dinner party and somebody said, james, go on a boat with me? he said yes. i want to bring in michelle turner. james gandolfini came to this late. he did this as a craft, as an actor. >> right. >> but he was no famous until later. >> exactly. back in '92 he was on in broadway with jessica lang and aleck baldwin and that's when people first saw him but he still wasn't this huge star. you know, he didn't become the huge star like larry was talking about until we saw him in the sapronos. he won an emmy for that in 200. larry mentioned the fact that he like stole a lot of movies and was under appreciated as an actor. a lot of people may not remember, this movie in 2001 called the mexican with brad

pitt and julia roberts. he stole that movie from them. he took that movie away from them. he was so good in it and this year he was in -- or last year zero dark 30 as well. >> yes. >> he's done so much. he was a charter actor and larry mentioned one thing, we didn't know a lot about his personal life. he was press shy but a regular guy. >> it really seems that guy. bonnie fuller was talking about a love for harley davidsons and a vespa but this seems so out of the blue. >> very shocking. >> at a film festival, he's relaxing, he's -- i think this is why it's so hard to understand heart attacks, this apex of life and all of a sudden, he's dead. >> we don't have a lot of information. it's still coming in. we're just getting this but we do know and like you guys said, we confirmed with hbo and through hbo that he did die,

what they think was a heart attack. he was there, they said, on vacation in italy but scheduled to appear at an italian film festival as well. >> right. >> so maybe doing work, too. just very shocking when it started coming through, and one of the things we're cautious about, erin, there have been a lot of hoaxes out there about him this week. >> we thought this was a hoax at first. >> yes, so we were very cautious thinking is this something else out there this week but unfortunately this one was true. >> seems that way and the picture we've been showing you-all so many times with the absolutely beautiful woman -- >> falka -- >> there is another one we've been showing. i believe that's his wife debra line he's been marpried to since 2008 who he has a 1-year-old daughter with. >> he was a jersey boy. >> westwood, new jersey. >> there you go.

>> born and so true to that. just the horrible, horrible news that has unfortunately turned out to be true. we hoped we didn't have that for you tonight but we did. thank you very much for watching our breaking news coverage of james gandolfini, sudden death of a heart attack continues now of a heart attack continues now with ac 360 -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com james gandolfini, who brought the best known fiction gangster to life has died. he was in roam me in vacation. gandolfini, we'll talk to the people that knew him around the state and around the world. let's begin the discussion with larry king who joins us by phone tonight, bonnie fuller and our chief