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no, it's a big wall. it's ugly. it's really ugly. you can see it, it's not far away from here. "outfront" next, teenage assassins. >> in all, how many people did you kill? >> i have no idea. >> no idea? you lost track? >> yeah, some. >> one of the teens who beheaded at least four children, free in texas tonight. plus, a deadly storm wreaks havoc on holiday plans. >> i just missed my connection to albany and i'm hyperventilating. >> and tempers flare heading into black friday. >> we'll stab one of you [ bleep ]. >> reporter: an "outfront" special report tonight, let's go out front.
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good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, snow, sleet, rain, and wind adding up to delays for millions of americans trying to get home for thanksgiving. i want to show you a live picture at denver international, what you're looking at on the left, the airport, and new york's penn station, the main train station here in the northeast, on the right. and there have been major delays there after a rain broke down on top of the weather. now, today is historically the day in the united states, the biggest travel day of the year. 43 million people are expected to travel, whether it be on the highway or in the air. a massive winter storm that stretches from the mid-atlantic to the northeast is continuing to create chaos and frustration and massive delays. now, the rain has been soaking much of the east coast throughout the entire day, from the carolinas all the way to southern new england. snow and ice is the biggest problem in western pennsylvania and new york, and the storm is not over yet. we begin our coverage with
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margaret conley, "outfront." >> reporter: on the biggest travel day of the year, millions of americans across the country race to stay ahead of a winter storm, threatening to disrupt their holiday plans. delays were short, but not unavoidable at laguardia, new york city, and newark airport in new jersey. and at reagan airport, near washington, d.c., many of the problems involved passengers missing connections due to weather. on the roads, heavy snow creating dangerous driving conditions. this was the scene in michigan. heavy, lake-effect snow covering roads and causing headaches for drivers. and continues aren't expected to improve until tomorrow morning. and with temperatures tumbling into the teens across much of the heartland tonight, officials are warning that those snow-covered roads could turn icy, making travel even tougher for folks getting a late start on their holiday travel plans. plows and salt trucks have also been out in ohio. crews working hard to keep up with the snow and ice, which is so far been blamed for scores of accidents. perhaps the biggest surprise was in the south, in the carolinas.
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it's not snow, but a steady, chilly rain turning some roads into shallow rivers. >> reporter: now, the key here is to follow the weather. try to stay out ahead of it. check your flight status if you're flying. that's what we keep hearing from all of the authorities. check with the airlines before you get to the airport. now, conditions are changing. we're feeling temperatures drop significantly in new york. the winds are picking up. stay on top of the weather, locally, in your neighborhood and do that now and throughout this holiday. erin? >> all right, margaret, thanks very much to you. and now i want to bring in our meteorologist, chad myers, with the latest from the severe weather center. and some of those images we just saw in margaret's piece, pretty incredible when you just look at the sheer scale of the storm, right, chad? it keeps hanging around and it's causing problems. where is the worst of it? >> you know, considering this thing started and killed the
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first person in san francisco seven days ago, and now it's finally up here in the northeast, and the worst of it really is still new york city, boston, and all through the catskills, the poconos and so on. but think about where we are now is almost thinking about where you are, anyway. where the eye of a hurricane isn't very windy. that's where you are now. you're in the center of the low, but as that low goes by you, those winds are going to pick up tonight, probably almost 40 miles per hour. erin, 5,800 planes still in the sky right now. this is, they're just there. most of them are delayed. even though most of them, now the delays are 35 minutes. the delays did drop off in philadelphia. the flight board, delayed, delayed, scheduled, delayed, delayed, and i can go down and down and down. so just because the faa doesn't say there are delays going on, trust me, they're still there. and the roads are getting slick as well.
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because we are now beginning to see temperatures fall below 32, the wet roadways are freezing up. if there's a puddle, the puddle splashes, the puddle splashes on to a bridge and that's the first thing that will freeze up tonight. if you have to drive this evening, you need to be very careful, because you can't see those pieces of black ice now that are forming on the roadways as the snow coming in now, changing over from rain to snow, not a lot, but enough to just keep those roadways to be freezing and that's where the worst of it is right now. our wind gusts no new york city, 36 miles per hour. >> and those wind gusts, let me ask you about that. not only are you saying, you know, in terms of life and death, that black ice, obviously, can be very, very severe, when do you expect the storm to blow over? what's it going to be like tomorrow, when you look at things like high winds that are so important for snows? >> you know, i think we probably get the wind speeds, the gusts blow 20 miles per hour, after 1:00 tomorrow. and it goes down rather rapidly. because this storm, the low itself, just spreads itself into newfoundland. so it's gone by tomorrow afternoon.
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but for tomorrow morning, when we're going to have a parade out there, the winds are still forecast to be gusting to 27. now, that's different from yesterday. if you remember, yesterday the forecast was 34, which was right on the edge of balloons or no balloon. 27 is below that threshold. so far, so good. >> all right. we'll see, so far, so good. thanks very much to you, chad. so, obviously, still a lot to be concerned about, especially for those traveling. but chad talked about the parade. it happens to be here in new york, but obviously it's a parade that the whole country watches and it's for the whole country. and as you heard, obviously, through that entire parade tomorrow, the winds will be high. but just how high? new york city is still dealing with whether those balloons are going to be cancelled from flying. some of them are just truly mammoth. they're enormous when you see that snoopy going over your head. jason carroll is "outfront" tonight with the balloons. >> reporter: well, erin, the balloons are ready, that's for
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sure. take a look, with you can see sonic the hedgehog here. down the way, you have hello kitty. and the crowds are here trying to get a lack at these balloons before they hopefully take off tomorrow morning. and i say hopefully, because there's still a question whether or not these balloons will be grounded. but i spoke to the incident commander from the new york city police department. this is the man, erin, who will ultimately be making the decision as to whether or not balloons like this one will end up flying. he says that he has been checking the weather forecasts. they're also going to be checking wind gauges along the parade route. and according to what he's saying, he believes the balloons will, in fact, fly tomorrow, but that ultimate decision will not be made until just before the parade starts. that's going to be at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. a lot of fingers are crossed. erin? >> jason, thanks to you. a lot of fingers are crossed. maybe you watch it on tv, i hope you do, because it's really worth it, but when you see it in person, those balloons are just incredible. when you think the feet, how huge they are, and they're moving down between trees and buildings and they maneuver and it would be really great if they could fly tomorrow. still to come, another house of horrors. three teen girls held captive for two years in an arizona
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home, they are free tonight and we have the story. plus, a teen assassin living in the united states. a cartel hit man who beheaded four young boys in texas. or should i call him a hit boy? and more stores than ever asking employees to work on thanksgiving. here's the question. is that practice unfair or is it absolutely and utterly appropriate? and consumers fired up over black friday. will the biggest shopping day turn violent? we do have a special report. [ male announcer ] introducing new fast acting advil. with an ultra-thin coating and fast absorbing advil ion core™ technology, it stops pain before it gets worse. nothing works faster. new fast acting advil. look for it in the white box.
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our second story "outfront," three sisters held captive for months. this is another house of horrors. this time it's in tucson, arizona. and according to police, three girls, they were aged 12, 13, and 17 were kept locked in their bedrooms by their mother and stepfather. these children were forced to live in filthy conditions for two years. both parents were arrested yesterday after two of the sisters escaped and ran to a neighbor who then called police. paul vercammen is "outfront." >> tucson's chief of police describes a house of horrors for three girls being held in a prison of sorts by their stepfather, fernando richter, and mother, sophia. police say the home was set up to keep the girls captive. alarms, 24-hour surveillance, towels stuffed under doors, music blaring. >> they were imprisoned.
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their movements were controlled. there was evidence found in the bedroom, which supports their story, particularly issues about when and how and where they went to the bathroom, how they were fed, what they were fed. >> reporter: the girls were reportedly found unkempt and filthy, telling officers they ate just once a day and hadn't bathed in four to six months. the alleged abuse came to an end on tuesday after the 12 and 13-year-old sisters escaped from the house and ran to a neighbor. >> they said that their stepfather had a knife and that they just escaped from their bedroom and ran over here and they didn't have any shoes on and they looked like they just had gotten out of bed and so we brought them inside, and that's when we called 911. >> reporter: when police responded to this house, they found the girl's 17-year-old sister still locked in her bedroom.
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both parents were arrested and investigators are saying that they are gathering evidence, which includes a journal the oldest daughter had kept, for at least a year and a half. now, these parents face a total of 19 charges. ten against the father, nine against the mother for abuse and kidnapping. the additional charge against the father is for sex abuse. and authorities are almost promising, erin, that there will be more charges filed. >> paul, you just mentioned sex abuse, obviously, a question a lot of people would have had. it's horrific, and in your report, you said the girls weren't able to shower for months and only able to eat once a day. 12, 13, and 17 years old. how are they doing now? >> well, we understand from a medical examiner that their growth is not abnormal, so that's somewhat a silver lining. also, they seem to all be happy that they are together again. even though they were in adjoining rooms, it's clear that they didn't see each other for a long time, erin. >> i mean, it's unbelievable. you hear about this, and hear about this happening in arizona
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and it makes you think about ohio, ugh. paul vercammen, thank you. at least those girls are safe tonight and their horrible, horrible situation is now ending. our third story "outfront", a teen assassin free in texas tonight. a 17-year-old spent three years in jail and spent the time in jail for beheading four boys in mexico. but no now, apparently, he's living in san antonio. and tonight there are growing concerns about whether he may strike again. ed lavendera is "outfront." >> reporter: even in a country ravaged by years of drug cartel-fueled violence, it was a shocking scene in mexico three years ago. a baby-faced american teenager accused of working as an assassin for the south pacific drug cartel was paraded in front of reporters. edgar jiminez lugo was just 14 years old when this video was filmed.
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jiminez lugo is known by the nickname, el punches. he laid out gruesome details of his life in organized crime. [ speaking in foreign language ] jiminez lugo said he was 11 years old when he started killing and slit the throats of four victims himself. he also said drug cartel leaders picked him off the street and forced him into carrying out the assassinations and that he was high on drugs when he killed cartel rivals. he was convicted as a juvenile and sentenced to three years in prison. now he's 17 and was released from prison tuesday in mexico. news cameras captured the release. he was quickly deported back to the united states, flown to san antonio, texas, where he disappeared back into american society. u.s. customs and border protection officials say they helped facilitate his return, but say privacy laws prohibit the agency from releasing more details. he was born in san diego. he's a u.s. citizen. he served his prison sentence and does not face any criminal charges in the united states, so he's free to move around like
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anyone else. he isn't the only american teenager lured into this violent world. cnn told the notorious stories of two american drug cartel assassins in exclusive jailhouse interviews a few months ago. >> in all, how many people did you kill? >> i have no idea. >> no idea? you lost track? >> yeah. >> reporter: gabiel cardona is serving a life sentence. their stories highlighted the frightening trend of cartel leaders luring young kids with the promise of money and power to carry out the cartel's dirty work. >> the first day i had to take somebody's life, that's a day i'll never be able to forget. because after that, i flood life. >> they are locked away for life. but the kid known as el punches is getting a second chance. when the young man known as el punches landed here in san
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antonio, we're told that he was turned over to an aunt and that he'll spend time in a rehabilitation center, but it's not exactly clear where that will be. state child protective services here in texas say they are not handling his case and many people will be watching closely to see if this young man returns to a world of violent crime. erin? >> reporter: all right, ed, thank you very much. on unbelievable story. well, still to come, a construction accident at a sports stadium. we're going to go to the scene for the latest. unbelievable pictures. and a food goddess accused of abusing drugs on a continual basis. what affect is this going to have on her empire? plus, the latest big blow to obama care strike right before the holiday. realize they can save hundreds of dollars. cvs/pharmacy wants to help you save on medicare expenses. talk to your cvs pharmacist, call, or go to cvs.com/compare
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we are back with tonight's outer circle. and tonight we begin in moscow, with authorities detained 14 suspected radical islamists in an overnight raid. phil black is "outfront". >> police say they became aware of this group, because they were carrying out various crimes, including theft and selling drugs, and they now believe the purpose of those crimes was to fund terrorist activity. security services raided an apartment in eastern moscow, arresting 14 people. there they say they found three homemade explosive devices with detonators and one of them, they say, was designed to be worn as a belt. they said they also found handguns, ammunition, bomb components and grenades. a 15th person was arrested at another location later on. those arrested were a mix of nationalities from across central asia and parts of russia, including the north caucuses. the northern caucuses is where there are islam insurgents fighting others. militants from that region seem to be behind the bombing of a bus and militants from that region have sworn to do all they can to disrupt the sochi winter
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olympics this february. bill black, cnn, moscow. >> obviously, those olympics are a crucial question, speaking of these big sporting events around the world, i want to go to brazil. brazil has been struggling massively to get ready and people lost their lives in that collapse. i asked shasta darlington about it. >> reporter: erin, at least two workers were killed at the construction site for the world cup stadium right here when a crane fell over and huge chunk of roofing came crashing down on the site. now, this is obviously a tragedy for the workers and their families, but this is a huge blow to brazil as it gears up
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for this enormous sporting event in june. in fact, it's going to build or refurbish a total of 12 stadiums across the country, and this, obviously, raises questions about the quality of that work. this accident will also slow down the construction itself here in sao paulo where the world cup is supposed to kick off with its first game. it is not clear how long the construction will be suspended, but we're looking at least a few days and this is a stadium that's supposed to be done at the end of december. erin? >> a lot of problems there in brazil. still to come, a popular food goddess accused of having a huge drug habit. it will mean the end of her empire? plus, republicans say president obama has broken another major obama care promise and chosen to break it the night before thanksgiving when he thought you might not be watching. do their claims add up? and black friday chaos. all right, we have a little bit of time left, but things are already turning ugly and we have one heck of a report. we'll be back. and the shout-out tonight is five seconds. it only took five seconds for
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." plane, train, or automobile. if you're one of the 43 million americans traveling in the bad weather, just trying to get to thanksgiving, this is your dilemma, how to choose. so we tried to have a little fun with this today. it is the holiday at cnn to figure it out. we sent three of our correspondents, very unlucky three, on a race. traveling from new york to washington. nic robertson flew, lisa took the train and brian todd braved
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the new jersey turnpike in an suv. that's how i would have gone. i don't know, something an you get to have your music and zoom along in the fast lane. anyway, who got to "the situation room" first? >> when nic tweeted and e-mailed that he made his flight, i said, this race is over. i'm around newark, so forget it. >> and a good sport, brian todd, anyway. nic arrived in washington more than two hours sooner than brian. brian made it to d.c. for a lot less, $100 for his tank of gas and tolls compared to nic's $500 outlay. and that was why i was wondering why he was so out of breath when he got in "the situation room." i was like, what is up with that? he sounds like a nine-month pregnant woman like me. no, man upstairs. shocking allegations that celebrity chef jila lawson abused drugs. he reportedly called his ex-wife higella in reference to her constant drug use. the couple divorced this summer after is a chi was pictured with his hands around his wife's neck. cnn has reached out to lawson's representatives, but they have so far refused to comment. fireworks lit up dubai's largest tower.
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she's a beautiful girl, she really is. those fireworks were to display the city's winning bet for the 2020 world expo. dubai should be excited. this is a very big deal. over the years, the six-month expedition of the world expo, which some of you may have thought is back to the worlds fair and stuff, no, this is huge money. introducing the world to life-changing innovations, the telephone and the escalator over history, and still a huge economic boost to the city that wins it. shanghai hosted it in 2010, the expo pumped as much as $58 billion into the local economy. dubai says they'll get more than $20 billion, 270,000 jobs, and expect 25 million visitors during the event.
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our fourth story "outfront" is a major blow to president obama. of course, we're talking about obama care. the obama administration today deciding that they're going to delay a key portion of the health care website that would have allowed small businesses to enroll online. now, republicans, of course, jumped at the news with great excitement. house speaker john boehner calling, quote, another broken promise, and more proof this administration's assurances have no credibility. "outfront" tonight, cnn white house correspondent, jim acosta, to begin our coverage. so, jim, how is the white house defending this latest delay? >> they're saying that insurers will still be able to provide coverage to small businesses, but that small businesses will have to obtain that coverage offline. they'll not be able to do it on the website. but no doubt about it, this is another mishap and the administration revealed it, erin, just as the administration was about to pardon the thanksgiving turkey at the white house. so republican pounced, accused
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the white house of dumping bad news right before the holiday. but just to give you a sense as to what they're talking about earlier tu care today announced that they were delaying the online enrollment feature on healthcare.gov for small businesses for one year. what that means is those companies would have to buy their coverage for their employees offline through insurers or through insurance agents. now, officials had hoped to get this portion of healthcare.gov working this month. as a matter of fact, officials here at the white house and at hhs thought that was going to happen. they said it was going to happen, but it's now not going to happen. officials caution, though, that small businesses with fewer than 15 employees aren't required by law to purchase insurance under obama care. the law just makes that enrollment available. and as you said, house speaker john boehner seized on this news and said the president should use this opportunity to delay the implementation of obama care altogether until the bugs are worked out. and erin, the democratic party put out an e-mail to democrats
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across the country today, you know, e-mailing out talking points to democrats to use around the dinner table on thanksgiving, when they're sitting around the table with their conservative relatives -- >> oh, great. >> reporter: -- on how to talk about obama care, this was not in there. this mishap was not in there, erin. >> i have to say, it just would be -- i hope people aren't talking about obama care. i understand it's important and that politics come up, but i hope we can all do better than that. but jim, seriously, despite this latest failure, white house officials have obviously said this weekend that that website, healthcare.gov, is going to be 80% effective, quote/unquote, right? going to happen? what is 80%, anyway? >> reporter: well, they're talking about 80% of the users who would be on healthcare.gov at any time. and so, there are some folks who are not going to be able to use the website as well as the administration would like. but what they are saying is that they believe that the website will be working for what they call the vast majority of users. this weekend, they say they are going to meet this target date of november 30th, which is only three days away. but, erin, keep in mind, as the country is focused on traffic and the highways this holiday weekend, the obama
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administration is worried about the flow of people on to this website. earlier this week, a senior white house official confirmed to cnn that the administration met with allied groups, groups that are friendly to this white house, to urge them not to drive traffic to the site for a week. officials at the white house and at hhs, they want to see what the demand is going to be like and they're urging consumers to avoid this site altogether at peak hours, right around 2:00 in the afternoon, and instead use healthcare.gov in the mornings and in the evenings and weekends. and erin, it sounds like those warnings that you get from transportation officials to avoid highways at certain times of the day. that is essentially what the administration is saying right now about healthcare.gov. they are just not out of the woods yet. >> they're hoping people are battling it out on black friday instead of going to the website. jim acosta, thank you.
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and "outfront" tonight, chris kofinis joins us as well. and i want to add something that eric cantor said, "once again, president obama has unilaterally delayed another major portion of obama care. and once again he has tried to bury bad news around a holiday hoping nobody will notice." these are hardly the actions of a transparent administration. of course, chris, east referring to the delay of the employer mandate. it was huge news announced around the 4th. at this point, why do it right around a holiday every time. just own up to it. >> well, to be honest, i'm not sure they're trying to hide from the fact that there have been some problems with the rollout. i think it's pretty obvious to everyone that there are. i think the bigger question is, you know, what are we going to do about it? and clearly the problems are significant enough, but they're getting addressed. what i find kind of amusing when i hear some of my, you know, republican friends, and members of congress, talk about obama care, is i can't believe that they're this interested in health care. i mean, for years, i couldn't
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figure out what their ideas were, what the proposals were, how they were going to address the fact there were 47 million people without healthcare coverage. yet, now, in life all these website woes, you know, they are very passionate about the concerns about health care, except they don't have any solutions or ideas what should be done to fix it or address the bigger problem. that where i think their outrage kind of falls on deaf ears with a lot of the american people. >> and there is a point, obviously, we have the talking points, we talked about it with reince priebus, head of the republican committee, and they had all these things to shoot down obama care. they didn't have new ideas in there. but this is something that might be troubling the to the gop. according to our newest cnn poll, 54% of americans believe the current problems of obama care can be solved. they do think it's fixable. so the gop who are hoping this is an utter train wreck, they might be counting their turkey eggs before they hatch. >> well, the fundamental problem is, even if the website is working, even if it's up and running, obama care was based on
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a bunch of carrots and bunch of sticks. those carrots were offering people subsidies for buying coverage. >> going on your parent's coverage. freebies. >> and things like the small business exchange. the thing is, a lot of those carrots aren't quite as appealing as they wanted to a lot of these young invincibles, young, healthy people, and now this carrot for small business. we're going to make it easy for your employees to buy coverage, that's not working either. so then you've got the sticks, the individual mandate penalties -- >> and the taxes. >> these are the things that are designed to get people to buy into the system. so the thing is, if the carrots aren't working, if they're not proving attractive to people, even when you have the exchanges up and running like you do in some states like kentucky and washington state, what's going to happen when those penalties come down the pike as well? i think it's not just about the website. >> chris, what about this? the ultimate carrot to me was
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people being table to stay on their parent's health care plan, right? that's popular. people like and it it's important. and that happened before people had to pay for it. but now you have this problem where those people who are 26 and under are a crucial part of the cadre of people who must sign up for this to function. but if you get it for free on their parent's health care plan, they're not going to go pay for it on the exchange. so hasn't the administration created its own hobsian dilemma? >> first, bonus points for using hobsian dilemma today. i didn't expect that question. nonetheless, let's put something into context. you know, conservatives want to sit there and talk about carrots and sticks. the whole idea of the individual mandate was a conservative idea. it was based on a republican idea. we saw it roll out in massachusetts under governor romney. so this notion that somehow this is a liberal agenda is fantasy. putting that aside for a second, when you look at the mechanics of it, every big policy when you roll out is going to have implementation issues, this is more severe because it's around a website. but that aside, you're going to have more significant signups as
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you get closer to the deadline. are there going to be people who are holding off who would rather pay the fine or somehow stay on their parent's coverage? yes. but if you're looking at some of the good news that's coming out, people with pre-existing conditions now can get health care coverage. families can now cover their young adults. you've got families who can get preventative health care, the cost curve is being bended down. there are positives that are being outweighed, unfortunately, by the negatives of this rollout. >> final word? >> actually, it looks like the cost curve is bending up. you've seen health care growth slow down since 2004, although it looks as though there are a variety of things, including a weak macroeconomic environment that seem to be slowing down cost growth. but obama care looks like it's just as likely to be increasing costs as opposed to decreasing. if you try to blame this on republicans, but this is a real problem that's causing real people. >> it was real problem -- can you at least admit that -- >> it was the republican idea that was resisted --
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>> so it was a republican idea? >> that's actually not right. in 1993 and '94, you had most republicans opposing the individual mandate, a handful that backed it then in a different context. this is very silly. we should all be trying to fix this, just like the 39 democrats in the house who tried to pass the -- >> that's great, then fix it. >> -- running away from obama care -- >> -- a single idea -- >> -- who try to fix this. >> i'll hit pause there. thank you very much. i know a lot of you all feel as passionately as ron and chris do. tweet us now. still to come, more and more employers are forcing workers to work thanksgiving. is that some sort of a sacred american day? secular, but sacred. you get my point, or not. plus, back friday turns ugly. customers threaten violence at american stores already. we have a special can't-miss report. we'll be back.
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our fifth story "outfront" is the business and the madness of black friday. it is here again. americans expected to spend over $600 billion during this holiday shopping season. and even though black friday is still two days away, it's already begun. kyung lah is "outfront" with tonight's money and power.
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>> reporter: the shoving. the screaming. [ bleep ]! >> reporter: the swearing. >> we'll stab one of you [ bleep ]! >> reporter: let the fists fly. retailers call it the super bowl of shopping or black friday. but scenes like these that flood the internet give the bargain battle a black eye. this ugly clash at a los angeles walmart two years ago was captured by juan castro. >> all the people just went in there and they just started destroying the boxes. >> reporter: all this for marked-down xbox games. >> people were fighting, trying to get those deals, and that's when some lady brought out pepper spray and just started going at it. >> my eyes are burning! >> reporter: was that moment a turning point for walmart? >> i think we could do a better job at managing crowds and
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helping customers get into the store, find the item they're looking for and get out. i think we learned a lot. >> reporter: walmart says this time, it's a calmer black friday, orderly lines through the store. shoppers will get wristbands and rain check tickets to ship items that run out. but what won't change are surprise deals through the store. >> 40 seconds and all the people went crazy. >> reporter: so from dikt predictably wild, that this dad brought his kids to walmart to witness the mayhem firsthand. >> there's something about black friday, your integrity -- >> reporter: these chicago area cousins don't care about the mayhem. in fact, they thrive on it every year, using shopping apps and meticulous planning to save on toys for their young kids. >> what, eight hours of shopping? >> yeah, eight hours or so. >> reporter: seriously, all night. >> it was worth it. >> reporter: she spent $960, half of her budget, saving $1,000 on gifts. enough to make her wan to dance. >> yeah, the jig had to happen, and i would do it again if i got
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a deal like that. >> not a laughing matter to victoria crusoe, who's seen enough video of the fighting. >> anytime you want, [ bleep ]. >> reporter: and doesn't want any of it, even if it's literally a pillow fight. >> i think they're crazy. to them, it's a sport. lacrosse is a sport. black friday is not a sport. >> reporter: she shops all online. sure, she gives up on some of the deals, but savors her serenity. >> the savings aren't worth the bail money. >> reporter: after capturing the walmart wildness, juan castro avoiding the retailer on black friday, but still can't resist a short outing. >> i should get a bulletproof vest and make sure -- maybe some football gear. >> reporter: that may be good advice, because for shoppers like these, it's game on. >> that's kind of incredible, kyung. and i can't believe it's already happening before friday, right? this is the stuff i'm like, we
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should see you at 5:00 a.m. on friday morning, but where you are, people have been getting ready for black friday for more than a week. i mean, what are you seeing? parking in a chair, not showering? what's going on? >> reporter: yeah, all of that. take a look at this. what you're seeing over here, to get this position, first in line at the best buy, these two tents, they've been here since friday. and yes, those are children's chairs. there are kids, as we take a walk here in those tents, the mom was very quick to point out that school is out for the week here in burbank. but all of these tents here, these people have been here since friday. and they have to do that, they say, in order to get those flat screen tvs, the tablets that they want. you know, you can hear the hype in black friday on television, but it's certainly alive. i mean, you see this line keeps going and going. and what's going to happen is that this line is going to continue to grow, erin, through thursday when these doors open
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ear at best buy. >> that's amazing. and that orange and grey tent is huge. it's like a family of gypsies in there. >> reporter: this is bigger than a new york apartment right here! come on, right! >> they're doing it with style and class. if you're going to camp out for five days, you do it right, you do it with a tent. i give them that. >> reporter: no open fires, though. no open fires. >> we do this a little bit tongue in cheek. this is a very serious issue now. there are people waiting for black friday but they may not have to wait that long because stores are opening tomorrow. dessert or store busters? that is the question. more stores than ever are opening their doors on thanksgiving. as you can imagine, not everyone is happy about having to work. the preblack friday holiday blitz. many people have been called in to say that thanksgiving should be a sacred secular american holiday is how i think of it.
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all right. this is a pretty interesting issue, dean. let me start with you. shopping on thanksgiving has become an issue. it used to be the only day that things were closed and you had to hang out with your family and then people got a break from that. 35 million people went shopping last year on thanksgiving day. 58% up from 2010. there's clearly a demand to go shopping. >> there may be a demand but that does not make it right. there are employees complaining to the media in stores from california to new jersey, tomorrow while everyone is sitting around having thanksgiving, one million employees -- >> well, that was an unnecessary blow. >> my point is this, while we're enjoying thanksgiving, one million americans will leave their thanksgiving to go to work. there are stores that have never been opened before. the gap is opened all day in
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case you need the khakis on thanksgiving day. costco is closed. he said, our employees work especially hard during the holiday season and we simply believe that they deserve the opportunity to spend thanksgiving with their families and that's what i believe as well. >> what about other industries that require people to work on holidays, like the one that you're partaking in right now. we have a whole staff here tomorrow. >> if it was up to me, they could serve a rotisserie turkey on tv. >> put some fire crackling noise and -- >> dream on. >> you make it nice, right? gas stations are opened tomorrow because you have to get to thanksgiving dinner. there are physical labor types of jobs opened tomorrow. the raiders and steelers and ravens playing. >> anyone running public transportation to get you to your family. >> hospitals. because there may be a heart attack or two.
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but mostly the nra, and we know what they stand for. the national restaurant association says 14 million people will dine out tomorrow. 16 million will order in. that's 30 million people. how is that food going to be cooked? how is it going to be delivered? you've got to work in certain industries during the holidays, unfortunately. >> this is new. it's been generations that people go to work on thanksgiving. that's why employees are speaking up today. there's a petition drawn by target and walmart employees. people don't go tomorrow. just don't go. >> macy's, first time in 155 years, will be opened tomorrow. because once you start, costco is going to have to follow. but they get overtime pay for working and for a lot of people are facing low wages, which is another big issue. >> macy's employees, 85,000 seasonal employees. okay? walmart, 55,000, toys "r" us.
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>> these are only people working this week? >> yes. >> they get paid time and a half during these particular shifts. some of these folks can't afford to put a thanksgiving meal on the table without working these kinds of hours. the ability to earn, to have that in this environment, in this economy, let them work if they want to. they can earn more money. >> but it's the ones complaining, that's the problem i have. >> so maybe you agree? maybe? >> maybe. >> all right. thanks to both of you and, please, let us know your thoughts on this because this is going to be a trend that is going to grow. costco isn't going to be able to stay closed forever. up next, fat, plump, and ready. i'm not talking about myself. i'm talking about an execution. president obama announced a pardon. the truth behind the pardon is not so nice. that's next. ♪
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president barack obama saved a turkey from the white house table allowing popcorn to live out his life. the american people got to decide whether popcorn or his fat friend caramel would be saved. however, when the online voting ended, even though it looked like the obama administration would take a stand and caramel was going to get executed, the white house tweeted in fact, no, no, no, they are both going to live. turns out the vote and the presidential pardon didn't pane anything and not just this year. for 60 past years we watched president after president go through the motions of sparing a bird and this is a charade because the turkeys brought to the white house were raised to be eaten, steroid injected, obese and healthy and only live two years after the pardons. seven less than the average turkey. on top of the pardon ceremonies, all of the presidents who seem so compassion et have regularly been spot the, cooking, serving and eating other turkeys. yes, even though some turkeys have enough scratch to buy themselves a presidential pardon because aren't pardons about money anyway? it doesn't mean the president actually holds back on eating a bird, no. there is one interesting side note. we found one president
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interested, a great president who didn't pretend he was a turkey savior. that brave president was gerald ford, he never let the american people forget what he really believed. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight, the undisputed champion, the last man you want to bet against in or out of the ring. that was then. mike tyson is getting ready for the next round of his life, telling the truth about everything. >> i used to despise myself as being so arrogant but it came out when i was performing. it was on the stage or in the ring. >> and the years behind bars. >> i struggle with just surviving out here. >> his family. >> my mother didn't like me that well. >> his battle with addictions. >> i've lost all my friends. all my friends i believed were my friends aren't my friends anymore.
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