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history in the seventh round of the nfl draft. they picked michael sam, the first openly gay player ever drafted. sam cried and kissed his boyfriend he's got the news from the rams' head coach on the phone. he has been congratulateded by sports stars, hollywood celebs and even president obama. all right, coming up in the cnn newsroom, a cnn exclusive, our correspondent makes a dangerous journey to speak to one of the girls kidnapped from those nigerian kidnappers and terrorist groups. you only see this story right here at 2:00 eastern time. fareed zakaria, "gps" begins right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. on today's show, we will take
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you around the world, starting in nigeria, where the actions of an islamic terror group have brought condemnation from across the globe. where did boko haram come from, and what are they capable of? also the big question on ukraine right now is will president putin make a deal? i will ask henry kissinger, who has spent more time with the russian leader than any other american. and who is the world's number one economy, china or the united states? there's been a lot of information and misinformation out there recently. we will sort it out. all that plus why one curmudgeon said the film "groundhog day" is a great guide to life. >> well, it's groundhog day. again. first, here's my take. in foreign policy, there's one
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quick way into the history books. make a major mistake. we can be sure with lyndon johnson and george w. bush that no matter what else was said of them, their decisions leading to intervention and war will be long discussed. the second path to big success is actually less short. nixon's opening to china was quickly seen as historic, but harry truman's many bold decisions, nato, containment, the marshall plan were not lauded at the time. what about the current office? president obama has not made a major mistake. he has done a skillful job steering the united states out of the muddy waters he inherited, think iraq and afghanistan, and he resisted pushing the country into another major conflict with all the complications it would inevitably entail. but he has been less skillful at building up an edifice of achievements. he still has time to fix that. his critics claim the world is
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in disarray and geopolitics has returned with a vengeance. look at ukraine. but the reality is, as princeton's john eikenberry has often pointed out, that the american-led world order built after the second world war continues to endure seven decades after its creation. it has outlasted challengers from soviet russia, maoist china and most recently, radical islam. "the economist" magazine this week tallies the country's 90 richest countries. 99 lean or lean strongly toward the united states. 21 against. the united states has 58 allies, china has one, north korea. russia is not a rising global power seeking to overturn the liberal world order. it is a declining power, terrified that the few countries that still cluster around it are
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still moving away from it. here's the real problem. we all accuse vladimir putin of cold war nostalgia, but washington misses the old days as well. it wishes for a world in which the united states was utterly dominant over its allies, where its foes were to be shunned entirely, where the challenges were stark, moral and vital. today's world is messy and complicated. china is our biggest trading partner, but our looming geopolitical rival. russia is a surly spoiler, but it has created deep ties in europe. new regional players, like turkey and brazil, have minds of their own and won't be bossed around easily. what we need is a set of sophisticated strategies to shore up the existing global system but also keep the major powers invested in it. with ukraine, for example, it's vital that obama rally the world against russia's violation of borders and norms, and yet the only long-term solution to ukraine has to involve russia. without moscow's buy-in, ukraine
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cannot be stable and successful. the country, for example, needs $15 billion to get through its immediate crisis. would it not make sense to try to split that bill with moscow? obama's strategy of putting pressure on moscow using targeted sanctions and rallying support in europe is the right one. it might even be showing some signs of paying off. similarly with china. the challenge is to provide the assurances that other asian countries want but to make sure that the pivot does not turn into a containment strategy against china, which is now the world's second largest economic and military power. that would make for a cold war in asia that no asian country wants and would not serve american interests, either. obama's restraint has served him well in avoiding errors, but it has also produced a strangely minimalist approach to his constructive foreign policy agenda. from the asia pivot to the russian sanctions to new trade deals, the administration has
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offered an ambitious and important agenda. but the president approaches it cautiously, as if his heart is not in it, as if he's being pulled along by events rather than leading them. so once more, with feeling this time, mr. president. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. recent events in nigeria have brought shock and condemnation from around the world. i wanted to dig deeper into not only the events, but also boko haram and the fight between islam and christianity in that part of the world. so i asked nicholas kristof and eliza griswold to join me. nick has been reporting on the
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story and his column last sunday was one of the ways that the kidnapping came to the world's attention. and eliza griswold is a journalist who spent seven years traveling along the world's 10th parallel, including nigeria. she wrote a book about it called "the tenth parallel." what is boko haram? >> boko haram is a group that's really more a mess than a militant group. they are a bunch of armed young men who come out of an islamic movement in northern nigeria. so nigeria is split, north/south, mostly christian and muslims along those lines. >> the muslims generally have more power. >> exactly, they have more power and they are closer to the oil well. in the north, people have no rights, including the right to go to school.
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boko haram, it's really a radical movement who has come out of disenfranchised young people who attack things they see as western in an effort to mobilize islam but really in an effort to gain power. >> so, how do you -- you talk about this in your last book, nick. how do you make sense -- would it be fair to call this islamic fundamentalism? what is behind this? >> i think we have this misperception that the great divide is between different faiths. actually, i think it was eliza is one of the first peole that made it clear it was not between different faiths, it's between extremists and muslims. what they have in common is the willingness to resort to violence, oppression, and that is what we're seeing with boko haram. >> but this does seem specifically muslim these days which is, whenever you see these young men, they always have this incredibly brutal attitude
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towards women, and it does seem like it's across many parts of a minority of the islamic world. >> it's true that if you look at places where women and girls are least likely to get educated, where they're most likely to be oppressed, then those are disproportionately countries with conservative muslim populations. there are also places where the culture itself, quite aside from religion, is deeply oppressive of women. afghanistan, for example. i think what we're seeing here is, unfortunately, a spiral. so in northern nigeria, there is very little education. women are marginalized, partly for cultural and historic reasons. a lot of people cite islam as the region. female literacy is less than 50%. and then that leads people to think girls shouldn't get educated, that leads them to attack schools so girls don't get educated which leads those areas to be further marginalized, women to be less
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part of the economy, less a part of the society, and leaves groups like boko haram to have even more influence. >> as you were pointing out, part of this is a power struggle. these are armed gangs that are trying to wrest power from the nigerian government. you look at these guys who kidnapped these kids, you don't get the idea this guy prays five times every day. this guy is a thug who is using the language of fear in leading in oppression of women. >> the leader of boka haram, abubakar shekau, is actual a lunatic. to look at someone like him, we look at joseph kony he took girls from a boarding school some years ago in northern uganda. both of them use religion.
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kony claims to be catholic. it's really not about islam, but more about about seizing power, about sex, about taking these young women as sex slaves and cooks to do things the militants themselves don't want to do. >> how incompetent has nigeria been in all of this? >> nigeria has been not only incompetent, but also in general, to the north, brutal. the combination of incompetence and brutality is a bad situation. then their initial response was to lie about it. they say, oh, we've rescued almost all the girls, all but eight. and, you know, at every step of the way, they essentially ignored the problem. >> what do you say to people who say, look, this is a local issue. these guys are horrible, but they don't really pose a threat to the united states or to western europe. why should we care? >> you know, i guess i would say a couple of things. first of all, one of the things we learned in afghanistan when we neglected it is that if you let an area fester, then over
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time, it can, indeed, affect your interests. the second thing i guess i would say, we have interests, we also have values. and when you have thugs who kidnap several hundred girls and take kids who should be becoming doctors and sell them for $12 each, then whether or not our interests are affected, we have values at stake. >> i mean, there are eight direct flights a day from nigeria to the united states. not to scaremonger, but it is a matter of time until boko haram figures out how to get on these flights. we see them having links with al qaeda and al shabaab, and these are real concerns. abubakar shekau, the head of boko haram, has specifically said he is targeting society. it is an attempt to replace nigerians with boko haram, and that's very concerning. we do have an interest in looking at civil society in northern nigeria and safeguarding the return of these girls in any way possible.
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softened his tone and seemed to be looking for a diplomatic solution to the ukraine crisis. will it happen and will germany keep the pressure up? joining me now are henry kissinger, the former u.s. secretary of state, and carl theodor gottenberg, the defense minister. you were on this show and you made two predictions. you said putin was not going to like what's happening in ukraine and the way ukraine was trying to move to the west and move to the eu, and being that he wouldn't do anything during the olympics, both proved to be right, which is the day after the olympics putin moved. now meeting him, and you have met him more than any american, do you believe what you're hearing from him suggests that he is now looking for a diplomatic path? >> yes. i believe that he's looking for a diplomatic outcome, but when i
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discuss what the outcome is, he doesn't just want an outcome in the abstract, and every reaction that i know is to -- they cannot look at you as an entirely folding country, so membership of ukraine and nato is something that's extremely grating to them if it was to happen. then he probably most certainly wants ukraine as relatively weak as possible so they're not in a position to challenge him because it's a country of 45 million people. those are the strategic objectives. >> you think he doesn't want to
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annex eastern ukraine? guess, to have eastern ukraine as a sort of autonomous region, but that's not the key issue. the key issue to me seems to me to be this. russia's strategic frontier at the border of poland is unacceptable to the west. that would be if all of ukraine fell under russian -- >> under western control. >> a western strategic frontier 300 miles from moscow is unacceptable to russia. so the question is, can one create a kind of -- you can say perfect state or an area of cooperation in which ukraine
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will be free to participate in european economic relationships but not join nato. >> merkel has been pretty strong in terms of supporting president obama. she seems to be alone, though, in germany in this regard. how do you read the german political situation? >> it's a hard situation for angela merkel at the moment, because on one side she's strongly committed to the western alliance and has so often quoted values connected to it. on the other hand, she is the leader around the globe that has had the most direct contact with vladimir putin during the last couple of weeks and months, and i think that's a balance she has to keep for a foreign policy. talking about the situation in germany, she is facing quite a tough opposition. and you hear also some kind of growing -- i call it selective anti-americanism in a group which is not famous for doing so.
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so that's a new development and it makes it hard for her to deal with. >> there is an article that the editor of one of the big newspapers, say we have to realize germany is not the germany of the cold war. it includes parts of the east that have been historically close to russia and have part of themselves as kind of a bridge between the west and the east. the former chancellor going to putin's birthday party. is this a new germany that is going to try to play a kind of different role and merkel is the one person trying to pull it in a different direction? >> that is a discussion about finding an equilibrium or
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distance, and the chancellor is finding that very notion. at first, they were accusing the eu for aggressive behavior toward russia and the reaction as such was understandable, but it certainly is part of a germany that tries to find a role within europe, within the wider europe, that is somewhere being redefined. >> henry, we should still be working, you feel, to keep russia, in a sense, integrated into the current global order? >> i think paradoxically, russia is a country that has enormous internal problems. it's a declining demography. it's has an inadequate industry. but it is in a piece of strategic real estate, from st. petersburg to
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vladivostok, which is in every answers interest that it becomes part of an international system rather than an isolated island there. so yes, i would -- i think one has to interpret putin not like a hitler like as he has been, but as a russian czar who is trying to achieve the maximum for his country. usually, those methods are excessive and we are correct in standing up to it, but we also have to know when the confrontation should end. >> henry kissinger, karl, great to have you both on. next on "gps," you might have heard that china is about to become the world's biggest economy soon. but don't believe everything you hear. i will explain. if you had chickenpox,
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biggest economy by as early as this year. but before you start lamenting the end of american dominance, the u.s.'s 125-year run as the world's economic leader, listen to me. america is still number one. it will be for a while. and as it turns out, china is okay with that. let me explain. a new report from the world bank's international comparison program, or icp, says that china is catching up to the u.s. faster than anticipated. in 2005, the icp estimated china's economy was 43% the size of america's. but their latest report puts china's gdp at 13.5 trillion. that accounts for 87% of the u.s. economy, which is 15.5 trillion. now, given that china's economy is growing three times as fast as the u.s., it is fair to project that china will surpass the u.s. by year end. so are we bracing ourselves for a big power shift from west to east for a new pacific era? well, not exactly.
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the international comparison program based their rankings on a measure called purchasing power parity. ppp, as it's called, estimates the real cost of living. in other words, what money can actually buy you in each country, not how much money you have. for instance, on average, you can buy a loaf of white bread at a market in china for $1.66. but the same would cost you about $2.39 in the united states. a pack of marlboro cigarettes sets you back $2.40 in china, but $6 in the u.s. u tills in china would cost you one-third of to comp basketball in the united states. but using the ppp as a sole metric can be problematic. while some goods and services may be cheaper in the developing world, many things cost the same whether you are in beijing, washington, d.c., or new delhi.
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"the wall street journal's" tom write perhaps puts it best: "china can't buy missiles and ships and iphones and german cars in ppp currency. they have to pay at prevailing exchange rates." national power is best compared on the basis of this standard measure, market exchange rates. by that measure, the u.s. economy is still nearly twice the size of china's. in fact, by that standard, the american economy is larger than china and japan's combined. so china won't regain its spot as the world's biggest economy for some time. i say regain, by the way, because by some measures, china was actually the world's largest economy as recently as 1890. then the industrial revolution propelled the united states to the top ranking. what that shows you is that it is possible to be very poor and technologically backward as china was without a doubt for most of the 19th century, and still, because of sheer size,
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you're going to be counted as the world's biggest economy. what's more, china doesn't even want to be number one right now. china's national bureau of statistics has expressed reservations about the world bank's findings. why? maybe because china wants to avoid the spotlight and responsibilities that come with being a rich country. the communist party does not want to make any concessions on trade or climate change or any other areas as rich nations are called on to do. also keep in mind that china is still a relatively poor country. when you look at poor capita gdp, china doesn't rank first, second or even 30th. china is is behind peru. a programming note, if you like this show, don't forget to dvr it so you can make sure you never miss an episode of "gps." if you don't know how to dvr, ask some 15-year-old for help.
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there's been positive economic news in recent weeks. united states fed chair janet yellen said the economy was rebounding after it had paused during the first quarter this year. the unemployment rate fell to its lowest since september 2008, and 288,000 jobs were created last month. on the other hand, the percentage of people working or looking for a job actually fell by 0.4% and wages continue to stagnate. and the economist who predicted both the tech bubble of the 1990s and the housing bubble that precipitated the global recession says we're back in bubble territory. to make sense of all of this, i'm joined zany bettows, the economics editor of "the economist" and steve raptor, who was the obama administration's carza. welcome. so when you look at the economic
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news over the last few weeks, particularly in the united states, what conclusion do you draw? >> i think we're on track to have a reasonably strong recovery for the rest of the year. there are several things i there are several things i think that make me more optimistic than i have been about previous years. one is that the hangover of the financial crisis is really behind us, companies are in good shape and flush with cash, and the other big thing is unlike last year, we didn't have such a daft fiscal policy. last year, the fiscal cuts dragged down the economy, slowed the economy. things are looking much better this year. but it's still not that great. it's much better and better than the growth we had in the first quarter, but it's still not that great. >> steve, who predicted both the tech bubble and the housing bubble, says we're back in bubble territory. >> stocks are expensive, no doubt about that. when we look at the price of stocks relative to the earnings of the companies, trading at about 16 times the earnings,
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which is high, the long-term historic average. you do see bubbles around which you have a number of tech stocks that were high, twitter, for example. now they're starting to come down again. >> so if we look at the chart that schiller twitter puts out, one way to look at it, i suppose, zanny, how you look at how a stock is fairly valued, it's not nearly as bad as the tech bubble of '99, but it's kind of on the high side compared to the last century. >> i like steve's bubblets. we have big bubblets, if you will. the question is, how much do we need to worry about them, i think it's also a function of what impact a correction would have. i think the important comparison is with, say, 1999, when you had a huge, as you can see it on your chart, correction as the dot-com bubble burst, it didn't have nearly as cataclysmic effect as the bubble of 2007,
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and i think the comparison is right now is much more like 1999. >> what about jobs? >> you had more jobs created last month, but we're toddling mostly around 99,000 jobs most months which is barely the number of people coming into the labor force. the worst thing, incomes aren't growing. year over year, wages adjusted for inflation is flat. when you get back to the question of what is the prospects for growth, if people don't have income, they can't spend. if they don't spend, the economy can't grow. if people don't spend, in my mind that is the reason why business holds back on investment, because they don't see demand there. and that's really the biggest problem. >> finally, martin wolf had a piece in which he said we've got to put in place a whole new set of policies that really aggressively promote inflation, and we should punish all these people who are saving money, who have their money parked in bank checking accounts, savings
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accounts, and think of all the viewers of the show who have been dutifully been frugal and saving their money. and what he's saying is i think we need inflation to force those people out and put them to work. what do you think of that? >> i have great -- enormous respect for martin wolf, but i tend not to agree with this for a couple reasons. first of all, when you put your money in a bank as a saver, they, in turn, are supposed to lend it out to people who have a use for it. you don't have any use for it at the moment yourself. so it certainly promotes investment. secondly, we do not have a problem in this country of excessive savings.
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i think the correlary arguement that larry summers in particular has made is that government should do more. >> and that's construction spending, stimulus -- >> yes, it's basic -- you know, larry is a good friend of all of ours, but it's basic economics. >> wipe out the savings of the viewers of their savings accounts? >> what is the really big problem is the lack of investment appetite and demand in the world? as steve says, part of it is very clearly the need for more sensible public investment. infrastructure investment is an obvious one. this country is crying out for infrastructure investment. europe has a good infrastructure investment, but even there you could do with more infrastructure investment. i just recently saw how europe has particularly shoddy roads. i guess that depends on your definition of shoddy. germans could do with spending on infrastructure. >> i heard a report that the bathrooms at la guardia airport have not been renovated in 30 years. >> but they finished the mumbai airport. coming up next, we'll tell you about two holidays. why your mother's day flowers
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it's that time of the ye ar again. time for pithy advice and inspirational anecdotes for graduates to chew on as they leave their college days behind. president obama will be addressing graduates at west point, michael bloomberg at harvard, and i will be trying to impart my wisdom at sarah lawrence this year. but leave it my next guest who self-identifies himself as a curmudgeon to give his shpiel. he is the author of the best seller "losing ground" and "the bell curve." i sat down with him to talk about the curmudgeon's guide to getting ahead. do you have a curmudgeon's view
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of young people, the younger generations of people who aren't like in the old days? >> that's what curmudgeons do. part of it says you're going to the workplace, a lot of people you deal with may be pleasant, but they're constantly judging you on all sorts of things they don't admit. and i'm going to tell what you some of those things are. >> and so, let me ask you about some of the advice. the first important thing is to get a job, and a real job. internships are affirmative action for the rich. you don't like them? >> you know, it's really important to know what a subordinate/supervisor relationship is like while you're growing up, because for lot of graduates, they haven't had that experience. they've been raised by patient, understanding adults, patient, understanding teachers and they go into a job where people are gruff, maybe they don't say please, they don't say thank
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you, they don't worry about if you have an excuse, they just want the work done. and the very first tip in the book is don't suck up. say your mind, if the discussion is going in a direction you don't like. but to be abrasive, to try to stand out by being flamboyant, that's not going to work. and it shouldn't work. >> you say get married early and make it like a start-up marriage, not a merger. >> i don't say definitely don't get married early, but an awful lot of graduates assume they shouldn't get married until their 30s. taken for granted. and that's not a bad thing. you're more mature, you and your spouse are established in the world, but don't pass up the change to get married at 25 or 27 if you've met the right person. because there is one special thing you'll get together. you will have lived your life when it was still up in the air. you don't know what your big success is yet and what you accomplish will be together. >> one of the things you say
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that you should do is watch again and again one movie. which one and why? >> "groundhog day." >> why? >> i say you can skip the ethics. >> it is a fabulous movie. it's old, and it shows the evolution of the protagonist, who is a complete jerk at the beginning of the movie. self-absorbed, egocentric, into a fully realized human being at the end of the movie. it's actually teaching the lessons of how you progress from that egocentrism to the kind of satisfactions that last. >> you went into broadcasting? >> uh-uh. believe it or not, i studied 19th century french poetry. >> what a waste of time. you weren't in broadcasting, journalism, anything like that? >> uh-uh. believe it or not, i studied
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19th century french poetry. [ speaking french ] >> this guy goes to a town, he gets up the next morning -- >> and it's the same day again. it's ground hog day. >> but the point is that he realizes, correct me if i'm wrong, that there is no great adventure out there that is going to give him a great life. that it's all right here. he has what he needs to work with to create a great life. >> it takes a long time for him to realize that. >> what's the one thing you want people to get out of this book? >> the one thing i want them to most get out of it is a sense that a lasting and justified satisfaction with life as a whole is achieved by just a couple of things. that if you find something you love to do and learn how to do it well, and if you find a partner in life with whom -- who is your soulmate, everything
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this week, the white house released a scientific report warning that the effects of climate change are already being felt in the united states. president obama said this is an issue that is going to impact our kids and our grandkids unless we do something about it. it brings me to my question of the week, which country has the highest percentage of residents who say global climate change is a major threat? a, the united states. b, china. c, south korea. d, greece. stay tuned, we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is john mikelthwaite "the fourth revolution." a series of smart books by two top editors and presents a powerful intelligent agenda for revitalizing western government,
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or governments anywhere. it does it in crystal clear prose as well. you can order it now. now for the last look. today marks the 100th official mother's day in the united states. and nations on every continent in the world accept antarctica have picked up the practice. if the holiday slipped your mind, perhaps you can pick some flow foreign ministers ters fro. if you do, you will be in a minority of people that have actually given mom flowers that were locally grown. imagine a bouquet of 100 roses. 60 those stems would have been processed through one country, the netherlands, and most of those have traveled through here, the world's largest flower auction, alsmeyer, often called the wall street of flowers. here a sea of flowers of 20,000 varieties cover the floors of one of the largest buildings in the world by floor space,
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roughly as large as 200 football fields of flowers. the flowers which have been flown in from all over the world are paraded on the stage for aucti auction, sold, then shipped back all over the world. this all has to happen very quickly, of course. the 20 million flowers and two million plants sold here each day have to make their way to the airport by noon to get in that beautiful bouquet for your mom the next day. whatever you think of the environmental impact, globalization is clearly blossoming in the netherlands. the correct answer is d, greece. according to a pew research poll conducted last spring, 87% of residents perceive climate change to be a major threat. south korea is second on the list. 85% feel threatened, which isn't surprising, given its proximity to one of the world's worst polluters, china. the chinese are not bothered, though, only 39% are worried and america isn't much better at 40%. if you're part of the group who
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don't think it's a major threat, i encourage you to read the white house report. there is a link on our website. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello, everyone. these are the stories that are topping our news this hour. a massive search is under way in virginia for the third victim of a fiery hot air balloon accident. not far from the search, two of the passengers are remembered during a solemn ceremony at the university where they both worked. and making history, michael sam becomes the first openly gay player drafted by the nfl. see his emotional reaction to the news and the response from the league. fellow athletes, and even president barack obama. and for a second straight day, millions of americans are under a severe weather threat.
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>> we have a large tornado on the ground causing damage. large tornado on the ground causing damage. plus, a story you'll only see here. our cnn correspondent makes a dangerous four-day journey to the nigerian village where hundreds of schoolgirls were abducted. she talks exclusively to a girl who escaped the terrorist. here your harrowing account and how they are living in a constant state of fear. we begin in virginia, where at this hour, the university of richmond is holding its commencement tinged with sadnes. two university employees were onboard that hot air balloon that caught fire and crashed. a somber search is under way in a wooded area for the third victim of
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