-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com is 11:00 p.m. in chicago. anger is spreading over the shooting of a black teenager caught on camera. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. laquan mcdonald was shot 16 times by a chicago police officer. that video released tonight. officer jason van dyke now charged with first degree murder. this on the day of our new kaiser family foundation poll

reveals what americans are thinking and saying about race and what we have learned says a lot about where this country is headed. take a look at this. 45% of blacks say that they have felt that their lives were in danger because of their race. a lot more to come on that. but first i want to go to ryan young in chicago on the streets. take us to where you are right now. >> don, you can see behind me these are the protesters who have stopped on michigan avenue. this is michigan and roosevelt. they have blocked off the center of the street. michigan avenue, one of the busiest streets in chicago is shut down. we are going to walk closer to show you what is going on here. they are all screaming and chanting. they are doing what they have done in several intersections. they have blocking it off and having conversations. and they will go down another block and block that off and

start walking once again. the police officers who have been watching them all night. you can see them here not intact ca -- in tactical gear. the ones in car get ahead and block off the road. that is what they are doing to make sure that people are staying safe. >> does the fact that the -- >> i'm out here, man -- >> why did you come out? >> honestly, i came to get something to eat. i didn't know that people were protesting out here. i wanted to come up here and say my peace. honestly. i commend these people doing something so peacefully. this [ bleep ] -- >> keep your words tight, man. >> obviously, don, you can hear people have passion, man. they are talking about the idea

16 shots and now all of a sudden the group is splitting into two groups. we are trying to figure out which group is going where. but that is what is happening throughout the evening. >> i was wondering how long that would happen. i want to bring in bakari sellers to talk about this videotape. once again this videotape, bakari is at the center of what is happening. white officer, black victim. if there was no video would we see a first degree murder charge? >> absolutely not. the narrative of the officer is always taken over the narrative of the victim who many times cannot be heard because they're dead. i truly believe that the story would have been that the young man lunged at him or came at him or was walking into a crowd full of babies. but what you saw here was the video. these cases are being illuminated more. >> i can't agree with that. >> go ahead. >> the fact is the forensic

evidence would have shown everything that happened in this case. >> but it would not have shown what started it. >> you cannot blanketly say if we don't have the video -- >> we can look at the scott case and say he dropped a cartridge near him. >> a different case and police department. >> if it wasn't on saying sam was the aggressor. >> we have to look at each case individually. we can't look at the last 20 cases and compare it to this. each is different and no one can say unless you are omnipotent that nothing would have happened to this police officer. >> i'm not omnipotent but 20 times is too many. that's the problem. >> 20 times out of the millions and millions and millions. >> it shouldn't happen once. >> i'm sure out of those 20 times -- >> guy, guy, guy --

>> what might have been. we can agree on, this now that we have video cameras on most people's hands and we need to have them on cop bodies, now we will have the video so the concerns -- >> i'm all for it. police officers have been prosecuted in the past, you know without video. a lot. >> let him make his point. >> we can talk about police officers. we have a very low bar for justice in this country. officers do get indicted. in south carolina we indict officers all the time. but you can't point one time where an officer has been found guilty and we had a top level of justice. >>? south carolina? >> name one time not just in south carolina but where an officer who committed an murder and indicted on murder in the

first degree has been found guilty. >> you have to wait for north charleston now. >> i don't have statistics in front of me but i can find them and come back with them. >> but we have to move towards solutions. one of the things you talked about is and one of the failures in rahm emanuel's leadership is that he had an amazing moment and squandered it. what is he going to do to make sure it didn't happen again? and where were the body cameras? and what about the transparency in the police department. >> that's not the police department's fault. i'm sure this investigation by chicago pd was done -- >> you are look at live pictures now. these are the streets of chicago. live pictures now at 10:06 in chicago central time. 11:06 on the east coast. people are starting to gather

and what they are protesting is the death of a 17-year-old. but the video was released today and it was so horrific it caused people to go to the streets. people are outraged, obviously. you think -- you think after the release of this tape do you think the officer can get a fair trial? are they going to change venues or what have you? >> here's the thing, we are good at giving criminal defendants a good trial. i was able to pick a jury in a high profile case. you can get a fair jury in this country. what i don't think we should say is that we should hide the information from the public for the fear we can't get a fair trial. this defense will get a fair trial at this time. >> everyone is filming what is happening. everyone has a video camera out. >> it is 2015. from now forward we will all do this. >> let's listen. >> let him go!

let him go! let him go! >> so they are screaming let him go. obviously there is some altercation happening. ryan young are you near this? what's going on? >> yeah, we're right in the middle of this, on the backside. looks like an officer is trying to arrest someone. the crowd is surrounding the officers. there are video cameras. everyone is recording the situation. there is some pushing in the middle. looks like they are trying to take someone into custody and the crowd does not want that to happen. they have stopped chanting right now. but there is a lot of yelling and pushing and we are pushed to the side on a city bus here. but it looks like the crowd does not want to let the police officers take whoever they are trying to take away. >> that's ryan young. >> you can see how this peaceful thing has changed in a couple of seconds. we saw people running down

michigan avenue to come back here. the officers are trying to pull him off the side of the bus. >> there is no violence. this is just an altercation in the crowd? >> this is when officers get scared. >> yeah. you have a crowd. >> we are not sure what happened. but there is some pushing going on. >> you have a crowd here. looks like they want to stop the arrest of a suspect here. that's when it gets tough. this officer is going to have to call in a large backup and they will have to move these people away. >> aren't they trained to do that without inciting? aren't officers taught to meet this -- >> do you want to be one officer or two officers and 20 people are around you yelling and screaming? it's a scary incident. >> you can see an altercation in the crowd. we would push in closer but you

can see the spotlights from news cameras on the scene. people are filming with their cell phone cameras again all playing out live on the streets of chicago. >> one of the things i was going to go back to, talking about getting a fair jury for the defendant in this case. but people don't want to see the persecution of the victim in this case. one of the first things we do is digging up the victim's past and tarnishing this young man as if he was not a 17-year-old victim. >> again, i want to tell the viewers, you are looking at an altercation on the streets of chicago. harry houk is saying this is when police officers get scared and -- >> things start to escalate. those officers with that many people there, i can't see how many police officers are on the scene there.

they will have to call for a backup to get the people out of the way. and hopefully they don't get violent against the police officers. this could be ugly. >> there are at least 40 officers here. >> there are at least 40 police officers there by the way. so ryan, you're down in the middle of the crowd. what is this car in the middle of the street? is this car moving? >> we have been all trying -- we all have been trying to figure out what pushed these people into this point. it has remained peaceful. we are trying to figure out what happened. we believe someone may have tried to drive through the crowd. but at this point, you can see how the officers have tried to create a line to stop this from going on. one of the officers does have a video camera and the scene has moved again. we have two scenes moving on with officers and these protesters. you can see back this way they are screaming at the officers on this side as well. there are two groups separating

and yelling at officers. this crowd has completely changed in the last two minutes. we don't know exactly what happened. but this has all gone crazy in the last few seconds and everybody is sitting there walking the officers. we are watching you is what they are screaming right now. >> which what is the crowd saying? we hear what sounds like barking is people, right? >> well, that's somebody with a dog who is brought a very large dog out here. >> it is a dog. >> there is a dog but it's not a police dog. she is screaming she is a former marine. a lot of people are joining the crowd and deciding they want to voice their opinion. but a collection of people. we are seeing people show up with gas masks as well who are not police officers. a crowd of people we haven't seen all night. it looks like the crowd is changing in terms of who is out here. it is not the original group of people who were protesting

earlier. >> explain that, the crowd is changing. >> you remember when we were in baltimore and looking at how sometimes you see a group of people in the crowd and the crowd would change and outsidrs were coming in. we have seen people with painted masks and people show up who are running around -- [ inaudible ] >> our ryan young is out in the crowd right now. we are having technical difficulties with him. as you can see on the screen there has been some pushing going on in the crowd. according to ryan the crowd has changed. it went from peaceful to other people coming out who are not as peaceful as the other folks who had been out in the crowd. but again, it doesn't look like it is out of control at this point. chicago police have prepared for this moment. they said as much today in the press conference, with the superintendent of police and mayor rahm emanuel. breaking news out of chicago. i'm here with my panel.

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protesting the fatal police shooting of jamar clark. as we look at these pictures, i want to bring in kyung lah to talk about minneapolis. police have made arrests in the shooting of the five black lives matter protesters. what is the latest there? >> you can see and feel here, don, that it's very quiet. there's people behind me that are breaking down the stage, they are calling it quits for the night and the reason why and this is a sudden mood change from an hour ago, the protesters here monitoring social media they heard of chatter of white supremacists to come back here in about 30 minutes and repeat last night. what happened last night is that some men came here who were caucasian and they started shooting on some of the protesters, protesters who have

been overwhelming peaceful. you can see what is happening. they are breaking down the stage. people are packing things up and they are calling it quits for the night. this is a very unfortunate thing, this was a festival, party-like atmosphere as they are trying to create change in the city. one of the people who was shot last night is cameron clark. he was the cousin of jamar clark. and he returned here tonight seening justice for his cousin. >> we wasn't here to harm nobody. we were just asking questions and the man just opened fire. he didn't say stop or freeze he just led us on up the street and opened fire on us. >> and again, these are three men who police currently have in custody, all of them white, all of them came here armed according to some of the protesters who say they were

unarmed, unprovoked and shot at by these men. >> kyung lah, thank you very much. and as you can see on the left of your screen, anger spreading in chicago, anger spreading in minneapolis where kyung is. and those are not the only places in america struggling. i want to bring in michael higgenbotham. he is a professor of constitutional law in baltimore. so my first question to you as we look at these two stories, what is happening in minneapolis and what happened in chicago. some said the one in chicago you can't quite say it is race specifically. but you also can't remove that it is race as well because it is a white officer and a black suspect. what do you make of that?

>> well, what i make of it is how you define racism and certainly, the fact that you have a white officer and a black victim clearly indicates that we need to investigate whether race was a factor or not. and so we need to know more information. what was the police officer's motivation? what was the police officer's previous practices? what was the police officer's background? and training? so we need to know more information to determine whether or not race was a factor. but clearly the fact that the police officer was white, the victim was black, certainly requires additional investigation. >> as we are looking at this new poll that we just got in, 49% of americans say that race is a problem in the u.s. that is up from 28% four years

ago and higher than a decade ago. why do you think that is? >> well, i think this report is just so significant and so timely given what's going on in chicago and around the rest of the country. the reason why i think that racism is up, i think is multiple factors. clearly, you have additional video things being seen in terms of police interaction and police practices. and i think that that has awakened many americans who didn't believe this was going on. i think most minorities understood that there was very difficult police community relations but i think many whites have been awakened by the videos that have been shown over the last year or so. in terms of police practices that have been alarming, i think, to a lot of white americans. >> mark, you brought up a good point earlier where you said the

number of musepeople who have received rough treatment by police officers are not increasing it's the awareness of the situation that is happening. when it comes to race in america is it a perception that racism is worse or has it gotten worse? as i sat here this morning, 40 years ago, or 30 years ago, i may not have an be able to sit here. my mother and grandparents and parents could walk on the same sidewalk as a white person. >> statutory racism is on a great decline. you cannot look at a statute and see a racial bias. the problem is that the systemic racism the way the laws are interpreted and applied are biassed against the black community. you can't look at any of the

figures from arrests to convictions to incarceration and deny that there is a racial bias to the way the system is tilted. now is it happening more? i don't believe that the raw numbers of blacks being killed by cops have gone up. but what we talked about earlier as the professor just said we're now talking about it a lot more and whites who 20 years ago may have said i don't know what racism is are now realizing because they are seeing it on the nightly news and the black community, i think is finally saying and i'm not the one to be the spokesperson for it, the black community is saying we've been saying this for 30 years and now you have to be able to see it. >> the question is which is a bigger problem in america, institutional discrimination or individual percentage. institutional diskrim make, 39% that. and individuals said 51%.

if you can see overt racism you can call it out. if you can't see it, isn't that worse? >> in a poll that's a difficult question to answer. >> before you answer that, this is between blacks and whites. is it a bigger problem individual prejudice or sui institutional discrimination. >> that's my point, i think that white americans oftentimes have a hard time just because they don't encounter the systems that many african-americans go through. the fact of the matter is, whether you are looking at infant mortality or the access to health care or education, african-americans in this country, when the country gets a cold the african-americans get the flu. >> up next, how america feels

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the folks are interlocking their arms here. they have been saying the names of people they believe are victims of police brutality. and hearing them right now. >> it's our duty to win. >> they have these chants they have been doing throughout the evening. we thought we were going to be going away and something changed and everybody pressed against the officers along the bus. we never did figure out what was going on. no one was taken into custody. now they have decided to set up this large circle and blocked off the road. it has gone back to a peaceful gathering. the officers handled things very well and now they are standing to the side to allow the protesters to allow what they were doing. the protesters were face to face with the officers and nothing happened. it's a testament to what everyone is doing here in terms

of being calm. >> peaceful protests that we are showing here. thank you, ryan young. we'll get back to you. i want to bring back my panel. and joining us now is sunny hostin. i want to propose this to you. we were here to talk about the race study that we have. almost half of black americans 45% have feared for their life because of their race. it's significantly less for whites and hispanics. is that real life encounters or watching the news? >> it's a combination. it's not whether or not a man of color will have this sort of uncomfortable police encounter, the stats show it's when that person will have that encounter. the bottom line is this is a real life experience for african-americans and latinos. it happens day in and day out. the statistics show that. i think also we're in a time where we are actually covering

these stories more and more and more because of i think the sort of proliferation of these videos. we have iphones now. so things that african-americans and latinos have been kplaening about for years we now have evidence these things are occurring. >> are you surprised that they believe that the system favors whites? >> of course not. i'm someone and i see harry itching here. i'm someone that was part of law enforcement and prosecuted cases. and it is just a truism that african-american -- especially african-american men are disproportionately affected by the criminal justice system. it's just a fact. are the stats all wrong? >> you know what it takes to go to jail in new york city, how many times you have to be arrested and locked up? we go and see guys out on bail

who committed murder and now commit another murder. we see that all the time. and i don't see anybody who i locked up or anybody block who i seen get locked up if treated in different in the courts in new york city or not in chicago or las veg los angeles. >> the judge just here in new york city issued this incredible opinion over 200 pages. >> what happened to her? they took her off the case. >> describing the stop and frisk policy. >> said that she was biassed and she was taken off the case. >> based on statistics and studies -- african-americans are disproporti disproportionately affected. >> if you think stop and frisk

has stopped you are a fool. >> it's not illegal. and the reason it affects african-american is where is the crime? >> i'm not saying whether -- >> we should not be under the assumption that it has stopped. >> it has not stopped. >> majority of blacks and hispanics believe the race of the officer plays a role in whether he or she is charged. only a third of white people feel the same way. why do you think there is this disparity? >> personally, i don't care if the officers is charged or not. i want to see follow through. i want to see guilt. i want to see people who commit acts of murder and disgrace their badge. i want to see the follow through where the people are convicted for the crimes they commit.

i don't get excited about whether someone is indicted or not. >> we are talk about race and justice in america and keeping a close watch in chicago where an officer was charged with first degree murder. up next, where we live in america and who our neighbors are. 69% of whites live in white neighbors. hispanics are divided by age. that number rises to 42% for older hispanics. we are back with breaking news from chicago and this race study exclusively here on cnn. plaque psoriasis...

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protests tonight. mostly peaceful protesting tonight. we have seen little if any altercations that happen when there is a large crowd. but i think we can consider this a peaceful protest happening in chicago. let's discuss this now and the race issue here. joining me is the editor in chief of ebony magazine. >> and maria cardona, a regular here on cnn. so you say that we're -- what we're seeing in chicago and what we're seeing in the poll numbers we have been talking about speaks to a larger issue of two americas. explain that to us. >> i was watching the earlier segment and cringing at some of what was being said by one of your guests, the so-called police expert or legal expert.

the concern -- and here's why, we spend so much time as african-americans seeking external validation for things that we understand that -- we had this conversation earlier -- to be real. at a certain point we have to draw a line in the sand. we've got to say to ourselves, we are going to authenticate, validate, appreciate our story, our perspective, our point of view as truth. so it's not up for debate. it's not for you to discern whether or not we are experiencing what we say we're experiencing. when i say there are two americas there is one america who needs to see footage to believe this is really what black life in america is and there is another america who lives that every day. >> to amplify her point, the most astounding thing in the poll to me is that while

americans live unto themselves with people who look like themselves -- >> you're shocked by that? >> not at all. i have a double life. i have to know how to be black. but also deal with white people. i got to be able to do it. >> that's a reality of. >> you know what i'm saying. don't start we many. >> i don't know if it's called -- >> you messed up what i want to say. this is really important. we are living in two americas because one big part of america has not yet caught up with the integration and diversity because they don't have to. we have to. that's the reality. we have to go to work and live in the neighborhoods and speak both languages. >> that's exactly right. >> i would like to point out some of the positive things that came out in this poll and one of

those is that i think that is changing. if you look at the younger generations especially of african-americans and latinos they are much more diverse and multicultural. >> but not white americans. >> but i think that's changing too. but you're right. essentially, whites in this country are still the dominant population. >> that's right. >> and they still live in the majority of the areas and frankly a lot of the times they don't have the benefit of experiencing african-americans or latinos and that leads to misunderstanding. >> fear. >> absolutely. >> one of the things the poll talked about. it was underlying talking about the segregation of the communities or african-americans work with more mixed company in their jobs and whites get to work with whites.

there is the socioeconomic context and the african-american control of the dollar. african-americans are more likely to work with whomever because when you get a job you don't have a choice. and it feeds into band of box and all these other discussions. if you control the dollar you can pick and choose. and that is not -- what it shows is that we have to be more creative making sure that persons of color want access to opportunity. we don't want a hand out but just a hand up. >> i wonder how much of it is race and how much is socioeconomic as well. >> and class. >> i think the millennials -- >> go ahead. >> it's the 800-pound elephant in the room. i live in northern virginia, mostly white but all of my

sority sisters drives a bmw or mercedes and make six figure jobs that is not reality for most people in this country particularly not people of color. so the class is the equalizer. my white neighbors are comfortable with me. we do the police ride. it's a different world out there. it's not reality -- >> it is your reality. you can't say it's not reality. it's reality for a certain segment. >> but the reason for that and we talked about this too, is the bottom line is educational opportunity. and the other piece that i loved about this poll is that african-americans and hispanics were also much more optimistic about the future for themselves and their children because i think they see that they can get out of their situation, as bad as it might be through educational opportunity. >> stand by, everyone. is it easier for you to achieve the american dream than your

parents? blacks, 55% and hispanics, 52%. and whites is 35%. the changing demographics of the country. >> people try to blame barack obama for racism going up. that is untrue. what you see in that poll is barack obama. african-americans, we do believe, the picture with the little boy who reached out and touched the president's hand, every black person in this country has seen it, and yes although we may have obstacles we still have that hope. >> stand by. coming up. he is a successful hollywood actor and producer who believes that the problem is not racism. isaiah washington joins me next to explain.

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back talking about race in america and keeping a close eye on the situation in chicago. men and women, breaks and whites are talking about race in america. joining me now a man who believes that america's problem is not racism. that is isaiah washington. before i ask you why not racism

what do you think about the release of the video in chicago tonight? >> obviously, it's a time for purging. there have been a lot of things going on in chicago for a long time. we know that president obama is from chicago. the level of disrespect by many other partisan groups for the last eight years or more this is a combination of a lack of disrespect for human life and black life and black bodies. >> you don't believe that racism exists any more but envy proves that the recession are real. you don't believe that racism exists any more? >> no, no, racism does exist. but what i was saying is that we have a lot of platform envy that is happening. and also what i'm seeing is that white supremacy is still showing

its ugly head. even this that video you had several officers, i can't say whether they were officers of color or caucasian or not but within 30 seconds you have someone that all they needed was a black body showing a weapon and that is all they needed to show their power and that abuse of power is something we have to look at deeply. but in that, the recession is very, very real. when a group of people are not doing well they're going to be angry. now what is interesting, one of your analysts said about the millennials, they are not a 52-year-old african-american male that i am. >> so you -- >> thank god. >> you talk about white supremacy and all you need is a black person to have a weapon. what do you mean by platform

envy? >> i really think that -- it's my theory that needs to be explored more. because of social media, because of you and myself, individuals out there, caucasian or people of color, whomever if they feel so close to you on twitter but don't get a chance to grab the golden ring it's going to drive a lot of envy and personal rage. how that turns out, off social media, i don't have data to prove that. but what i see on social media when a person feels they have a platform and they're not being heard it gets extremely toxic and it mirrors what is happening on the streets today not just in america but around the world. >> are you a supporter of the black lives matter movement? >> absolutely. i was trying to defend raven-symone at the time.

and we got into differences of opinions. but we have been keeping up off the record. i fully support what black lives matter is about. and i don't support all lives matter because if you weren't killing black bodies in the 21st century and a feeling that there is not justice behind it. we have black people in the streets, angry and hurt and humiliated after watching a horrible video released by the chicago police department today. >> isaiah, thank you for being so candid. happy thanksgiving. >> thank you for watching. i'm don lemon. have a great thanksgiving and a safe one as well. a cnn special report, targeting terror, inside the intelligence war, starts in just a minute.

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