night. be sure to set your dvr and record "outfront" and watch the program any time. i'll be back here tomorrow night same time. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks very much for watching. hope you had a good thanksgiving. we begin with a week's worth of controversy in a single day. in other words, we begin with republican presidential front runner donald trump, he's capping the day with a campaign rally in making, georgia and began the day in new york meeting with african american clergy members. the controversy or at least this controversy because we have several tonight began with the candidate claiming this would be a group endorsement, which came as news to some of the participants. then yesterday a press conference set for after the meeting was cancelled finally today uncancelled and had moments including one you're about to see. a woman you'll see on the left of your screen is omarosa, form the apprentice winner. watch mr. trump when the woman speaking, dr. cindy trim talks

about what she calls racial slurs that mr. trump used and mr. trump clearly is not happy. >> concerning the issue of the racial slurs and the racial comments that he has made, it was addressed head on. it was addressed head on and we are walking away with the feeling that perhaps after more conversation we will be able to echo the tone at the top as a voice to those that are lacking a voice. thank you. >> what racial slurs are you talking about? >> listen, listen, we had a very productive constructive meeting. we made history today. >> that gentleman says he's endorsing him for the candidate that he claims he got many endorsements today from most of the participants but declined to actually get specific. >> i thought it was an amazing meeting. i thought that i met some

fantastic people, some of whom i've known. i thought it was an absolutely amazing -- it lasted for two and a half hours. we came up with lots of good ideas and lots of future ideas but i thought it was an amazing meeting. >> with us tonight, someone who was at today's meeting, the senior pastor with united nations church. bishop, thanks very much for being here. >> glad to be here, anderson. >> when you went to the meeting, what did you expect? >> we were told to have an open mind for donald trump's presentation and if we have any questions, ask them. head on and he would answer. >> how did the meeting go? >> well, i think the meeting went so-so because when it came time when we asked donald trump specifically that he needs to apologize to the black community for statements that he's made, apologizing about the handicap

statement that he made and things that he says are and being offensive that you're not going to get our vote. when that happened, ms. om rosa >> said you don't have to apologize to anybody. mr. trump sat there -- >> he didn't say anything. >> not at that point because i don't believe donald trump is really ready to apologize for anything. because we're leading in all the polls. >> that's what his message was. >> yeah, so pretty much because he's leading not polls to me, he loses the sensitivity of the communities that i serve and i posture. >> i know the issue of disability is particularly

important to you. your brother was paralyzed in a motorcycle accident. >> yes. >> so when you saw trump do the hand gesture -- >> it's horrible. i asked him specifically, i'm actually -- i'm actually the pastor that asked him that specific question and he said he didn't know who the guy was and i said i want to be honest with you, mr. trump, you and hill move just the same, you do it perfectly. he answered that question and said no, that's not what i meant and i never met the guy and it happened to come out that way. the media plays things out, you know. >> i talked to a number of e n evangelical leaders that have doubts about donald trump and have doubts about his level of commitment, his level of faith. do you after meeting with him, did that, do you believe he is sincere? >> you know, i think donald trump is a businessman. he's an enpatrepreneur, he's a

developer and i don't think he has full sensitivity as a politician or people-oriented person like we do because he and pastor mike freeman had a discussion about throwing out one of the black lives matters members during a rally. >> right, got roughed up by the crowd. >> he didn't know it was a black man so we felt like okay, if you didn't know, then why don't you control your crowd? because i do big conferences and my wife i and go to big meetings. i mean, we stand before thousands of people at times and if you are responsible for that many people, even if you didn't know the person that did it or you're not in charge of the person that did it, you could still as the leader of the meeting say hey, we're not going to behave like that, conduct yourself this way. >> was it your feeling that the majority of people in the room would endorse donald trump? the majority of the pastors? >> hard to tell? >> i would say from what i saw, you couldn't tell on a lot of them but maybe 40%, maybe. >> would you endorse him?

>> not at this moment, not. not at this moment. there is supposed to be some follow up meetings and developmental changes, hopefully, and we'll see what happens in the followup meetings but not at this moment. >> appreciate you being with us, thank you very much. >> thank you. joining us is jeffly lord and charles blow and former regan political director and charles is neither of those things and author and we're glad both of them are with us. jeffrey, let me start with you. you heard what bishop said, not sold on endorsing donald trump at this point. do you believe it was a misstep for the trump campaign to first of all, advertise this as a unified major endorsement by 100 african american pastors and basically have to walk that back? >> yeah, anderson, i've been around these things a lot and those kind of things happen. when you have groups into quote unquote endorse a lot of times i

found and this has nothing to do with being a black pastor, it's any kind of group you have people inside the group who are enthusiastic about the candidate, others who are really doubters and people in the middle. the thing that i found very hopeful was that it was held at all. i mean, this is the kind of thing ronald reagan used to do. he was endorsed as i recall by the number two for dr. martin luther king and that surprised a lot of people in the day and this is certainly the kind of thing my old boss jack kemp would do. so the fact that donald trump is doing this i think is a very good thing? charles, a, do you think this is good and there is this disconnect between trump saying a few days ago maybe a black lives matter protester deserved to get roughed up and trying to do a cell on this or saying he has wide spread support. >> i don't know what this is to be honest about it because i

think that any person regardless of kind of religious affiliation or race has a right to endorse whoever they want, however, to come to a person like, you know, mr. trump who has said some incredibly negative, even vile things not only about african americans but about immigrants and about muslims, about women and this is not just about this cycle. anybody who has any kind of historical memory or a search engine can find all of the things that mr. trump has said about people who -- kind of ways to marginalize people and disappoi disappoidi

disappoi disappoidi disappoint soesuate is a level i have not achieved yet. >> jeffry, you heard the bishop talking about how he was offended by donald trump mocking "the new york times" reporter who has a physical disability. trump says he wasn't doing that. can you defend him? do you believe he was not mocking the disability of this reporter? >> anderson, i take him at his word but the thing, this is -- >> really? you really take him at his word based on what you saw in the video, have you ever seen him -- >> anderson, let me -- i mean, he does stuff all the time with his hands. he's a hands person. he just mimics and does this and that and the other. >> and a wide stance. sorry, go ahead. >> well, the point is here that i think this outrage is phony and the reason it's phony and i know charles' paper quoted outrage. charles is there.

the obama campaign went out of their way to make a commercial mocking john mccain's disability because he couldn't use a computer and e-mail, did your paper say this was an outrage? i mean, they endorsed him shortly thereafter and thought he was a fine fellow. was there outrage then? i mean, i'm asking. >> let me -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> you're not asking me because i'm not answering because that is perfect deflection. instead of dealing with what donald trump did -- >> no, no, no -- >> see, i let you speak -- >> this is indicative. >> jeffrey, let charles answer. >> indicative of the way he reacts and as a supporter you think you have the privilege to act that way to to shut me down or cut me off. that's not going to happen. i take him at his word and when he prefaced his hand gestures with you should see the guy, right? and then comes back and says well, i've never met the guy, then what does it mean to say

you should see the guy? that means -- >> why the double standard, charles? >> no, this is the question at hand and you basically said you take him at his word and i take him at his word. those were his words. >> we have to take a break. we'll continue the discussion in a moment with donald trump still speaking tonight. we're going to pick up where we just left off. we'll be right back. >> why would anybody want to watch "the apprentice" with donald trump? then the worst insult i've ever had.

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welcome back, donald trump the focus in more than one controversy speaking in mageorg and to see if he makes the claim he saw muslims celebrating. first, he said he saw the celebrating himself, thousands and thousands of people and today asked why no one else can find the video when asked about that and celebrations on the west bank, he said maybe it was erase. back with charles blow and jeffrey lord, we were talking before the break about donald trump seeming, at least i mean, what appeared to be mimicking a reporter for the new york times, he said you ought to see this guy and then as charles mentioned, then he did the gesture similar to a hand gesture that i guess this reporter has as a disability. i want you to respond to charles glow. jeffrey, do you really believe it is presidential for a candidate for the highest office

in this land to be, you know, doing that? >> anderson, you know, there is a cross of a couple issues here. one is political correctness. >> it's not political correctness, it's human decency. >> yeah, but anderson, when president obama sits on the set of "the tonight show" with jalen know and says he bowls like he's in the special ocho li olympics ind indecency. >> i believe, i believe there was outrage when president obama just off the top of my head said that on jay leno's show. >> where was the outrage over the commercial? >> i just told you there was outrage about one thing he said. we'll have to check on the other thing but can you answer the question about donald trump, do you really believe it is presidential for a candidate, a

president to act like that? >> well, i mean, he says he didn't do it. now -- >> okay, but you're an intelligent guy and this guy -- but you're an intelligent guy and he said you ought to see this guy and spazs with his hands. >> i don't know the guy moves like that. i have no idea, anderson. >> okay, well i work with him. i work with him and i work with him. i've seen him in the newsroom. so -- and i think anyone that who has been in his presence, will know the expanse of his disability and the way he's forced to hold his hands and what have you and i think that it's kind of not right to say you should see the guy and imitating, acting in that way. like you said, you don't know the guy. i do.

>> i've met john mccain. john mccain's disability is real. this was a planned commercial and no outrage. that's why i think this is a double standard and goes far beyond disabilities, far beyond disabilities. we want to talk sexual harassment when clearance thomas is nominated to the supreme court -- >> is there anything donald trump could do that you would have a problem with? i understand you're a supporter but people make mistakes. i don't why understand why donald trump as a descent human being, which he must be, say i went too far. i got caught up in the moment. i went too far. i've done stupid things and apologized for them. that's what humans do. >> you got to ask him. you got to ask him. i mean. >> well, he clearly doesn't apologize -- >> he said what he said on this issue. i'm only saying to you i think that this reaction here is about a double standard and the outrage is phony.

>> so you wouldn't have a problem if the future president of the united states did this sort of thing, talked like this all the time? do you think that's just a presidential level of talking? i'm not -- i mean, i don't know if you want to call that political correctness or dignity of the office. if ronald reagan was doing that, i think people would be surprised, no? >> well, you know, bill clinton was impeached on presidential behavior so i suppose it wasn't a good thing. >> yeah, there was outrage on that. charles, it's interesting because it doesn't seem like certainly among the people that support trump -- >> this is a double standard. >> i hear you. i understand. >> that's the thing that bothers me. >> i hear you. >> that's what bothers me. >> charles, it does seem like among the, say, for independent voters that might be considering trump, do you think this hurts him because among supporters, they don't seem concerned with this or what he says about muslims celebrating in new

jersey on 9/11 even though there is no video evidence which he claims there is because he claims he watched it on television and networks actually do keep video and we have video. do you think among independent voters does it make a difference? >> it makes a huge difference. you have to say you now have and have had about 30% of likely republican primary voters, that is a very small slice of people who would come out to vote in a general election, right? take that small slice and say i don't know if that's his ceiling or floor or whatever it is but hasn't moved much from that point. there is that. and then you have to look at and say well maybe the people who are supporting him actually support him because of the things that he's saying, not in spite of the things he's saying which is the most disturbing part. you have to take some of the lens off of the candidate himself and say, you are supporting this person who has said and done these incredibly

vile things and what does that say about you? as a supporter of him. and i think that that really is the question that has to be asked at some point and i do believe that the offense that a lot of people take is because of that because the higher you go in public life, the more impact your words have and so it's not just about pc and not just he's just joking in that moment or that moment or that moment many years ago. it is the fact that this person continues to say this and the very nature of forgiveness is first you admit that you did something wrong, which this person refuses to do and then you say i did it. i'm sorry that i did it. like you said, anderson, it's a human thing. people make mistakes. it lacks certain humanity when a person refuses to admit they made a mistake and will tell you to your face that what you saw with your own eyes and what you heard with your own ears is not what you heard or saw and that

adds to the offense. >> jeffrey, i want to give you the final thought. to you the bottom line is this is political correctness and a double standard. >> yeah, the double standard thing in particular. one other quick thing about the muslim comment in new jersey, by chance i had a college friend of mine, a woman call me the other night. she is definitely not a trump supporter. she's not a fan. but she said she, too, is from new jersey and she saw the same thing and she said for what it's worth, i think he's right because i saw it. >> okay. well, multiple police officials in new jersey in various towns have said this is ridiculous, this is not true. this did not happen. multiple officials in new jersey have said that and people said i saw that, too, and lots of people on donald trump have said that but donald trump is saying there is video that he saw it on video. so there should be video of it and there's not.

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string of new details in the paris terror attacks on reporting what the woman killed in saint-denis and detail. first, new developments on the one remaining fugitive salah abdeslam whose managed to evade a manhunt so far bought ten detonators and batteries from a firework shop before the attacks on november 13th. once more french intelligence officials think he may have managed to escape to syria. fred joins us now with the latest this reporting according to french intelligence officials that he escaped to syria, what more do you know about it?

>> reporter: well, apparently they are working under the theory he's probably already escaped to syria. this is something we're getting from a counter intelligence source, as well as a source close to the investigation, anderson. it appears quite surprising considering the fact this this manhunt for salah abdeslam kicked in very shortly after the attack happened and he's been on the run for two and a half weeks now. we're hearing from belgium officials who say listen, we have absolutely no indication he would have gone to syria. the latest they tracked him is around brussels. he was seen at a subway stop in brussels shortly after the attack and was apparently at a cafe in brussels. you're right. this is a guy obviously very well versed in escaping authorities and operating undercover. he bought ten detonators for about $10 a piece at the firework store. certainly someone who knows how to operate away from the

authorities and keep the operation going, anderson. >> what about the allegations there were more attacks planned? >> reporter: well, the information that we have is that more attacks were not only planned but apparently quote ready to go and that certainly is something concerning to the authorities here. again, this comes from a source close to the investigation saying that this came from the cell and his cousin that apparently they were planning attacks on jewish areas here in paris and schools and also the transport networks here in the paris area, as well and of course that was a cell busted in saint-denis. this is certainly something that is of huge concern to authorities here and you can see them clamping down or trying to clamp down on networks here. there is information from the sunday times that apparently they are taking a look at security clearances for a lot of workers at paris' main airport

after it's apparently come out that 57 people there were on a terror watch list and still working at the airport, anderson. >> that's frightening. appreciate it. a lot to talk about on that note. joining me is cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank. the ring lead there got killed is said to have more attacks. >> this comes from french media and from reuters that the ringleader had actually tossed his female cousin hasn hasna aitboulahcen to buy shoes in preparation for a follow up attack at a shopping district, commercial district, lots of shopping malls over there. this coming out in a confidential witness statement but someone in touch with abaaoud's cousin. the idea they would go and buy

really expensive suits, get the female cousin to buy them and blend in in the up scale district of paris for maximum surprise before the attacks. and actually, if you look back at a plot that abaaoud was organizing in january in belgium in that plot, this isis cell members bought police uniforms to gain access to sensitive sites potentially. you have isis plotters dressing the part for terrorism for maximum surprise. of you obviously that would be very, very traumatic for somebody in business attire blew themselves up. >> french and belgium authorities are not on the same page whether or not salah abdeslam, the eighth terrorist from friday's attacks, whether he was in belgium or syria. some believe in france. how could a guy at that point would have been on everybody's radar have actually gotten from belgium where he was last seen or at least heading towards to

syria, it seems is it farfetched to you? >> i think it is approaching the sort of farfetched, the idea he would be able to get all the way to syria despite the fact he's the most wanted man in europe on every television local news station this picture flashing up but one also has to say that the ringleader in the attack managed to get from syria to france despite the fact he was on the radar screen in a big way. i think it will be very, very difficult for them to get to syria and also somebody that was exhibiting some pretty poor operational trade craft after the attack asking two friends to pick him up in paris to bring him to brussels. he almost got stopped -- well, he was stopped by the french police. they didn't know who he was, let him go, got to brussels and stopped off in a cafe for sometime. that's not the trade craft that gets you to syria.

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there's breaking news in the investigation in the deadly attack in colorado springs. the man accused of killing people friday made his first court appearance. he was wearing a bulletproof vest. robert lewis dear is being held without bond and the judge set the next hearing for december 9th. investigators have not publicly disclosed a motive but he apparently mentioned baby ports and express the anti-government views. we have details who investigators are talking to and whether they believe the suspected shooter had any help. pamela brown joins me with the latest. there is indication a security officer is usually stationed for added security but there may have been a gap in time when one wasn't there, is that right? >> yeah, that's right. officials saying there is a security guard posted at the

colorado facility. that security guard left prior to the attack once the patient had come in for the day and the security guard's shift ended and then another guard was supposed to come into work later that day, so this planned parenthood official says basically the security guards work different shifts based on the need in certain areas but in that lapse of time, anderson, robert dear allegedly walked in and launched his attack. >> from what i understand, they believe he acted alone concerning new details about the suspected gunman that may not be so surprising, right? >> right. this is a man that really lived off the grid in this tiny yellow shack in north carolina and moved to colorado in an rv and neighbors didn't know much about him. he did have brushes with the law. he had been involve in a domestic despite with his wife and a neighbor complained he tried to peer into her house and

there was a civil citation for letting his dogs run loose but nothing to indicate he would walk into a planned parenthood and launch an attack. investigators are speaking to those who knew him in north carolina, south carolina and colorado and by all accounts, this is someone that acted alone. like other planned parenthood clinics, this one in colorado springs provides a range of health care services to women including abortions and the suspect mentioned baby parts and anti abortion and government views. the attack comes as abortion is a white hot issue on the campaign trail fueled in part by controversial videos made by an anti abortion group about planned parenthood. joining me is cecil richards. >> i want to extend my condolences to everyone at the planned parenthood and the family members of those who lost loved ones. the shooter in this allegedly said to police, mentioned baby parts, apparently had

anti-government, anti abortion views. what was your reaction when you heard that? >> i wasn't entirely surprised. obviously, he was there at a planned parenthood health center and but it's very upsetting, obviously. our hearts go out to the families that lost loved ones and to many other folks who were injured, and it is really disturbing to see the kind of hateful rhetoric that's been talked about both about planned parenthood, about the women that come to us and the doctors that provide health care. it's very hard to see these kind of violent incidents that sometimes this rhetoric fuels. >> i want to -- to that point, you said hateful rhetoric and words and harass themement of w and doctors, you've never seen the rhetoric we're seeing from presidential candidates. do you directly link the

rhetoric that you're seeing -- you're hearing from presidential candidates to what happened? >> of course, i can't directly link it but everyone in public office, people who are leaders in the country have a responsibility to think about the words they use and language and possibility repercussions. >> you believe some of the language that's been used is not only inappropriate but you believe it can and maybe has led to violence. >> you have to look at what we've seen over the last three or four months. we've seen increased harassment at health centers including planned parenthood and rhetoric that i haven't ever seen in a national presidential election before. again, demonizing women and many of the health care providers that provide services to women. i just think it behooves us in this country to look at these kinds of incidents and take stock of what we can do to prevent them in the future.

>> are you taking stock of security at all planned parenthood? >> we always do. we not only work with local law enforcement all the time, we train our staff and we invest in security precautions and thank goodness we did even in colorado springs. it made an enormous difference to work with the local police -- >> there was a secure room and % believe cameras at the facility. >> absolutely. in fact, we worked very closely with the police to ensure they got as much information as they could about the shooter and i think really helped prevent further loss of life and in fact, the apprehension of the shooter eventually. >> since the videos were released, can you quantify the number of threats you've received in terms of has it increased? >> absolutely. absolutely. no, we -- i mean, we've seen -- i know there was just a report not only at planned parenthood but women's health centers

across the country, the numbers of harassment has doubled. at planned parenthood we had a clinic in washington that was the target of arson and we had to shut down, although, the planned parenthood staff put up card tables and provided birth control to patients waiting for services and i think that's what we -- so we take nothing is more important than the health and safety of our patients and of our employees, and it's -- but we're also an organization that is resilient and it's amazing to see in colorado after the incidents friday and tragic results of that shooting that our health centers were open again on saturday seeing patients and open all across the country this weekend and again today. our motto at planned parenthood is care no matter what and i feel like our staff has the resolve to make sure that women receive health care that they e

deserve and want and free from harm and injury. >> appreciate you being with us, thank you. the first police officer goes on trail in baltimore in the death of freddie gray after being shackled and put in a police van without a seat belt and his death led to massive protests riding the question can an impartial jury be picked in the city? we'll look at the strategy for the defense. ♪ is it the insightful strategies and analytical capabilities that make edward jones one of the biggest financial services firms in the country? or is it 13,000 financial advisors who take the time to say thank you? 'night jim. gonna be a while? i am liz got a little writing to do. ♪ it's why edward jones is the big company that doesn't act that way.

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in baltimore today, the first of six police officers charged in the death of freddie gray went on trail. gray is the man who died in police custody after being shackled and put in a police van without a seat belt. his death in april led to massive unrest on the streets of baltimore. the city agreed to pay gray's family $6.4 million in a settlement that could make it hard to defend the officers. miguel marquez has a look how their attorneys plan to do just that. >> reporter: murder, assault, misconduct. they are among the charges six baltimore police officers face in the wake of freddie gray's death. prior to the court issuing a gag order in the case cnn confirmed key details about the defense's strategy. >> the defense for the officers that are going to be related to what happened in the van. >> reporter: the van and the

40-minute ride gray took after his arrest. the defense tells cnn it will content freddie gray's death was tragic but an accident and gray himself who handcuffed and shackled struggled to his knees when the transport vehicle came to a normal spot, gray lost his balance pitched forward with his weight causing the injuries that killed him. defense medical experts expected to testify and hammer away at the baltimore medical examiner's finding of homicide as the cause of death. they represented baltimore police officers and knows the defense attorneys involved. >> they will argue this was a normal stop or maybe he fell down on his own while the vehicle was moving. >> reporter: but different officers face different charges. first to face trial william porter, 25 years old on the force since 2012 charged with involuntary manslaughter, second degree assault, misconduct and reckless endangerment. he made statements potentially

incriminating other officers. he told the van's driver who faces the most serious charge of second-degree murder that gray might need medical attention. the key question did porter ignore gray's life threatening injury? >> proving that an officer had a duty to do something and didn't do it and there were consequences to his lack of performing that duty is classic office. >> reporter: three of them facing reckless endangerment for failing to seat belt gray. defense lawyers say they may be a policy violation but criminal? >> if you have an accident and somebody dies for not wearing a seat belt, is that going to rise to the level of manslaughter or murder? >> reporter: the trial aside, freddie gray's death already changed baltimore. >> it made us ask questions we haven't asked in years, how could this be? >> reporter: a city outraged by the death of a young man, will anyone be satisfied these trials

will deliver justice? >> miguel marquez joins us. baltimore obviously erupted in protest and rioting. what is the mood like in the city now? >> reporter: we did have protests in the beginning of the day as jurors sat, the first 75 jurors sat and heard those same chants all day, all night we'll fight for freddie gray at night there were about two hours of protest outside the courthouse and marched out to the tourist area of the city. tension. there is a lot of tension in this town. they want to get the first trial going. so far that jury has not been selected. i think everyone will feel better once the trial begins and they can start to feel out how it's going to go. >> all right. miguel, thank you very much. a lot to discuss, joining me sunny hostin and harry and cnn law enforcement analyst jeffrey toobin also federal prosecutor and cnn senior legal analyst. 75 potential jurors were asked

if they are unaware of who freddie gray is, does that concern you? >> it doesn't. i don't want a juror that hasn't heard of that case, that's a juror living under a rock -- >> knowledge of a crime shouldn't eliminate someone from or potential crime or alleged crime shouldn't eliminate anybody. >> i don't think so. i think you want a juror that can make a decision based on the facts presented to them despite of the facts they know. >> do you think the jury knowing the settlement tainted them? >> i think so. i do. know why they had to settle now. they should have waited until all the trials were over for all six officers. >> that sends the message something was done wrong. >> if they come out and she stated this has nothing to do if the officers are guilty or not but that seed is planted. >> jeffrey, do you buy that? >> not only were all jurors familiar with the case, they were all familiar with the

settlement for $6.4 million. i usually don't think changes of venue are a good idea. i think this case is one to move it to indianapolis or prince george's county. remember, this convulsed the city. this whole city was a crime scene. i really, i just think the opportunity for prejudice is so great here that even though -- >> do you agree with that, sunny? >> i don't. i don't know that you can go anywhere in the state of maryland and not know about that case. so many people were riveted. i think what you need to do is use the jury pool that you have and make sure that you weed out those jurors, weed out those jurors that can't put aside the fact that there was a settlement or know something about the case. >> the judge has said that he will consider a change of venue if after voir dire he can't get

a fire jury, but i think it was -- >> what do you make of the fact, jeffrey, officer porter rejected a plea deal. >> i think he has a defensible case. he's going to be the only person who can talk about what happened in that van. so he is going to have a story to tell. now, the jury may not buy it, but you know, we just got finished watching this horrible videotape from chicago. this case is very different. this is a case without an eyewitness to how freddie gray died and, you know, i don't know what the result is going to be but i can see why he didn't plea. >> harry, i heard you say police around the country will be watching what happens to officer porter very closely. >> exactly. once he told the sergeant that gray needed medical attention, his culpability is gone because it's up to the sergeant to make a decision whether or not gray needed medical attention. i'm trying to think what is porter being charged with? he didn't commit any crime here. >> i don't know about that. >> we don't know about that.

>> the prosecutors said they want to try porter first because he's a material witness against two others which is why he got this plea -- >> the offer of a plea deal. >> no question. but i think there certainly can be culpability. i think that's why he's been charged but i do think jurors find it typically very difficult to convict police officers. juries like police officers. they believe police officers. so this is by no means a slam dunk but this prosecution. >> i'm sure there is probably a lot that i have not seen yet but very interesting once this trial starts exactly what they have here because i see no culpability at all for porter based on what i've seen. >> remember, also, in a case that has so many complicated racial over tones, you have an african american police officer who is the defendant, african american victim, which, you know, certainly changes things at least in terms of how people might perceive the case initially. the evidence obviously is going

to be the most important thing. none of us seen it specifically but i think it's a tough case. >> thank you-all. appreciate it. just ahead at the top of the hour, more on the breaking news, frightening details what the ringleader on the paris attacks was planning, next. believe it. at&t and directv are now one. which means you can watch in the house, in a treehouse, or even in miss pepperpie's house. pause in your pjs and hit play during a pb&j. nice! and enjoy some cartoons instead of listening to dad's car tunes. (dad) ♪meet you all the way! get the best of both worlds. directv at home and 2 wireless lines. from directv and at&t.

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