more likely happen to you than win the lottery, struck by lightning, drown, being struck by lightning. a lot of things. struck by a meteor, a big number not on there yet. tell you what -- >> thanks, andy. good luck. >> got a chance. >> see you back here at 10:00. i'm michael smerconish with lots to talk about today. bernie sanders finally takes the offensive against hillary clinton by going after her husband's love life. and at donald trump's rally last night, this muslim woman was ejected, and with the iowa caucuses just weeks away, new polls have ted cruz solidly in first, despite new attempts to cast doubt on his u.s. citizenship. plus -- i'll ask gop candidate john kasich about the nightmare of trying to run as a more moderate republican in the era of trump. but first -- terror came to my home town's

philadelphia this week. today's "philadelphia inquirer" tells the story. thursday night, a police officer on patrol ambushed by a man who said he was inspired by isis. law enforcement is still investigating exactly what that means. we know this is a remarkable story of grit and heroism. jesse hartnett, a 33-year-old cop who served in the coast guard was on patrol in west philadelphia just before midnight when edward archer wearing muslim garb approached his vehicle, weapon drawn and began firing. watch this amazing video. in which officer hartnett shot three times at close range, bleeding profusely, never the less gets out of his patrol car and gives chase. ultimately shooting and wounding his assailant. the officers emotional radio call provides further evidence of his bravery.

i'm shot. i'm bleeding heavily. >> all cars stand by. we have an officer shot. 6-0 and spruce. repeating, in the 18th district, assist the officer. 6-0-3. we have an officer down. >> i'm wounded. >> the shooter's mother told flas her son had mental problems and had been recently hearing voices. thus far, no kermed reports of any ties between the shooter and terror groups. new reports say the man traveled twice to the middle east. this is the very first week in office for a brand new philadelphia mayor and police commissioner. the mayor, jim kenney said, in no way, shape or form does anyone in this room believe that islam or the teaching of islam have anything to do with what you've seen. the new commissioner saluted officer hartnett. >> the bravery he demonstrated was absolutely remarkable. his will to live undoubtedly

saved his life. >> the same night at the philadelphia shooting, two iraqi men who entered the u.s. as refugees were arrested on terror charges. neither man is charged with planning an attack on it's united states, but those arrests have already become political fodder causing presidential candidate ted 'caucruz ta call those already here. leading donald trump in iowa, the nation's first president's contest to unravel all of these political ramifications i've invited the perfect person. he worked with three u.s. presidents, he won the 1996 gop new hampshire primary, he coined the phrase silent majority and to quote the economist, before donald trump there was pat buchanan and he joins mu know. thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> thursday night a cop in my hometown of philadelphia was shot by a man acting in the name of islam for political purposes

does it matter if he's tied to terrorist or a knockoff? >> candidates perceived as very tough on illegal immigration, very tough, if you will, on immigration from the islamic world without vetting. and so i think it tends to help donald trump and i would say to some extent mr. cruz who both have been very hard line on the issue. >> interesting that earlier this week, in fact, i'll show you a brief clip, ted cruz commented on two individuals both refugees from the middle east who were arrested in connection with terror charges. roll that clip. >> one, in california, and one, in my hometown in houston, both were iraqi refugees. both came in through the vetting programs that president obama tells us are perfectly effective for vetting terrorists. one is charged with providing materiel support to isis.

the other is charged with having travelled to syria to fight alongside radical islamic terrorists. >> why does pat buchanan think that is less -- >> i think trump is tremendously identified with the issue, michael, for the basic reason that, you know, no muslims are coming into the country. they're all going to be vetted. now, that was a statement that's going to have to be qualified. no doubt about it, but it puts trump out front on the issue so that when folks think of something like that, they think of trump, but i do think they would also think of cruz, but look what happened when those two syrian refugees came through greece and turned up in that paris massacre? that turned a whole country around, michael. now, these two individuals who have been caught that cruz mentioned have not been apprehended doing some horrible atrocity, but you get people doing those atrocities in this coming year and there's no doubt

it will drive the united states strongly to the right the way europe is being driven to the right. >> you like trump, because he is the buchanan campaign of '92 or '96 incarnate. all about border control, it's an immigration, trade. free trade. and non-intervention. was your timing off, or is he just the better, no disrespect intended, but he is the better messenger on these things? >> let me say on these issues, trump has raised the very issues i raised in the earl '90s, 1991-92. i said these trade deals are going to be terrible. we're going to lose manufacturing jobs. we're going to lose factories abroad. the real wages of americans are not going to rise. people are coming across the border. it's got to be ston pped. what we have now 25 years later is proof what we predicted has come to pass. so donald trump and others taking up these issues and point out and say, look, here's what

happened. even bernie sanders. he was back there with me on these trade deals and, of course, he's running now, and doing extremely well, i think, for a fellow on the far left of the democratic party. >> assuming argueendo you were ahead of your time. are there enough remnants of the so-called silent majority left to take trump all the way to the white house? >> i think trump is a, is a very interesting candidate in this sense -- i think he has crossparty peel. now, let me give you an example. if i were running this year and i were in trump's shoes, i would go into pennsylvania and ohio and michigan, and i would say, you want to know why your factories left this country? because of bill clinton and hillary clinton with nafta and gatt and the wto. all of those jobs and factories are in china now. some of them are in mexico, but they're the ones that did it. they're responsible. now, that's the appeal of whom? bernie sanders. right now. so this has a crossparty peel,

the issue of, you know, free trade is out, and quite frankly, protecting jobs and protecting factories and these issues are very much in today. >> when people make comparisons against the campaigns you ran and donald trump today, i mean, do you revel in that, or do you say, i'm a deep thinker. people can disagree with pat buchanan. trump doesn't have the coherence and logic behind those viewpoints. right or wrong? >> in a sense you are. donald trump is a successful businessman up to about six months. i'm elated, first he's gotten into this race, raised issues, shaken these things up. you got 25 million people watching a republican debate, for heaven's sake, in the summer of 2015. look, my time has come and gone, michael. you know, it's a while ago and we did as well as we could at the time, but there's no doubt

he's doing well and i congratulate him, what he's doing well on the issues that i really admire. >> hey, don't sell yourself short. you're tan, rested and ready. let me ask you one additional question about the democratic side of the aisle. >> buchanan for county supervisor! >> you reference bernie sanders and you know a thing or two about new hampshire. what happens if bernie sanders captures iowa and new hampshire? does it end there? or all of the sudden is that race entirely recast? >> i think if he captures iowa and new hampshire he's got iowa and new hampshire. the democratic party is too much behind hillary clinton. she's got too much money. too much of a base out there, but i will say this -- it will be an issue where hillary clinton's going to have to start addressing these trade deals and inequality and the loss of jobs they produced, and he might be able to pull her to the left. i mean, she's pulled a little bit to the left, but i think basically, look, the only one

that, that can take this nomination away from hillary clinton, i think, is a special prosecutor in d.c. >> well, joe digenova, you heard this week, within the next 60 days could get a knock on the door. who knows if there's anything behind that. >> i'll believe that when i see it, michael. >> me, too. patrick buchanan, thank you, so much. >> thank you. tweet me at smerconish. i'll look them over and read some of best later in the program. up next, too painful to be called a gaffe. what's being said of ben carson asking a fifth grade class and the political ads, getting nastier and nuttier. do you think this one works? >> i can tell you, it is a very personal economic issue. rice on? we'll match any competitors price. what about this? price match guarantee. and this? yep! so no monkey business, no tomfoolery? oh, we do have tom foolery, tom. staples has a price match guarantee. make low prices happen. staples make more happen.

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last night bernie sanders was pulled into the debate about hillary clinton's husband and his actions as a town hall in toledo, iowa. sanders was asked by an audience member if hillary clinton lacked

moral authority to be president based on her husband's affair with an intern when he was president. listen. >> look, hillary clinton is not bill clinton, but bill clinton did, i think we can all acknowledge, it was totally, totally, totally disgraceful and unacceptable. >> one of many things to talk about with my political panel. bob beckel magged walter mondale's campaign in '84. mr. beckel does that work in a democratic campaign? >> no. and amazing he would follow donald trump. i don't know any democrat that followed donald trump and bernie has. part of the reason, his numbers are soft in new hampshire. he has to win new hampshire. >> he wasn't looking for it. underscore that distinction. >> whether you love or hate bernie sanders, usually whatever he said you believe is what he truly thinks. >> right. >> i don't think this is his

style. going out and bashing people, frankly, but i think it was brought on him. i don't think there's anyone, republican or democrat that says the way bill clinton behaved was graceful. but that's kind of old news now. there are a lot bigger issues. >> a week ago here, mr. beckel, you had this to say to my audience. let's watch. >> i would love to have the clinton campaign. they won't do it. there's stuff on trump that is almost worse. i wish they'd push it out. they don't want to do it, because of propriety. if it were up to me and i may do it anyway, i think trump's got more problems on sexual issues than you can possibly imagine. >> sounds like you know something, beckel. >> i do. >> i want to -- >> do you care to share it here? >> no. >> okay. >> and if i share it anywhere, i'll share it here, mike, but not now. >> give me something. what do you have on the dond on this issue? >> i can't. your show last week must have been watched by a lot of

reporters. i got more phone calls one of whom is staking me out down in your lobby here. i believe and the story's been written, donald trump was fascinated with princess diana and wanted to date her, as did a lot of rich men around the world. nothing wrong with that, except there is information that is potentially damaging. that's all i'm going to say about it. >> that's linked to diana? >> i'm flying to london on theirs and may know more. the people with diana are very private and this is big time politics in america and a letter to somebody dead a long time that could potentially alter the landscape here is something you should think about. >> a letter from trump to princess diana. >> michael, i told you, i'll say it on this show. i'm not going to say it now. >> certainly more than we knew a week ago. it's between the two of them? >> i would say, yes, it probably

is. sure. >> bring it on. if i'm trump, i'm saying, want -- you want to hit me with women issues? he's dealt with that his whole life and has still come out of it with people obviously accepting it and accepting him. now if you've got something current, that definitely does make a difference, and would change people's minds. but old news? >> if donald was married at the time, though, and chances are he was. to which wife, we don't know? >> donald was married to the first one, too, when the second one came along. >> another woman in trump's life. a muslim woman, roll the tame, es are the xoed out of a trump rally. look at the faces of those taunting her as she's leaving and here's the question i want to ask you -- ishs do t do the optics of this. i look at it and am appalled. escorted out of the aisle and people are getting in her face. do the opticing actually help trump in -- >> no. >> but it's primary season. >> i don't care. primaries aren't about --

>> check this guy out. >> it's unfortunate. however, what the heck is she doing playing the victim? you want to go and show people what a muslim looks like? first -- >> look at the guy in the aisle. blocking the aisle and giving her the thumbs down. >> visuals are bad. but if you're a protestors and go and decide to stand up, every political rally now, they're looking for people who are going to cause issues and those people are taken out. there were other people in there, you can see them. with the same yellow badge on, muslim. they weren't removed. this woman asked for it. she wanted the attention. you know, the funny thing is, she's a flight attendant. try not following rules on her flight. you want to go to the bathroom after the light goes off? that's the only time you can go. it comes back on, she's telling you, you get in your seat. no. i'm just going to stand here. >> convincing me, optics in primary season helped trump. >> edi also said optics are not good. she's right about that. in his base vote, does it help

him? yes, but that's a relatively small number of people and in iowa a lot of evangelical voters who actually believe in the christian good works and would not like this very much, and you know, some of the people in there, pushing her around, roughnext. >> yeah. >> i don't understand. in a general election that's the kind of things that come back and haunt a presidential candidate. >> agree. but in iowa it might actually help. the most recent fox poll relative to iowa. you see ted cruz edged out the donald, at 27-23. cruz all week long on the defensive on questions as to his eligibility to run. now, this i know. i know that he had to spend several days talking about an issue he'd rather not have to talk about. whether trump drew any blood on this, i don't see. your thought? >> as a texan i finally realized why he never seemed bike a texan to me. it's the canadian roots. i don't think it makes -- i don't think it make as difference. definitely took him off topic. he didn't get a chance to put his message out. did it help or hurt anyone?

>> no. >> john mccain injected himself wanting to tweet ted cruz. legitimate issue but i'm not a constitutional scholar. so i asked a constitutional scholar, neil cattyall at georgetown. >> our constitution doesn't define terns just uses them. the first congress said that the children of the united states that may be born beyond sea or out of the limits of the united states shall be considered as natural born citizens. open and shut case. >> he's the expert, burkle. open and shut case. what's the political significance of all of this? >> when i was at harvard law, i didn't -- no. john mccain had the same problem because he was born in the canal zone. remember that? i agree, it's a ridiculous issue. the constitution is clear, but for cruz not off message. keep this in mind. a very smart on-message candidate, this was a bad week for him. >> it is ironic, though.

i think obama's spokesperson says it bheest. >> josh earnest, how ironic, this republican born in canada ultimately becomes the nominee. >> a great line. >> it's campaign commercial season. mark erubio has a particular ad up in iowa i think is worthy of some analysis. roll that. >> our goal is eternity. the ability to live alongside our creator for all time. given to us by jesus christ. the struggle as christians, remind ourselves of this. the purpose of life, cooperate with god's plan. to those much have been given much is expected and we will be asked to ask for that whether your treasures are stored up on earth or in heaven. >> i'm sure that works in iowa, man, that first amendment, freedom of religion, freedom from religion. you know? over the top? >> i don't disagree with the things these saying.

in a general election you're the president for everyone. regardless of their religion, and i just -- i don't think it's a good ad. i don't think it helps him. >> it looks to me like he just read the new testament for the first time. i don't think you will find marco rubio when you go back to his campaign for the senate, i will defy you to find an ad like that in florida. >> beckel, i want to show you a pair's boots i think you'd look good in. these are marco rubio's boots that got a lot of attention. i have a theory. the sort of thing you get for christmas, wear them once. your wife or your friend gave them to you and then they never come out of the closet again. your thoughts? >> i owned a ranch in montana and used to wear them a lot. edi knows a lot about this. i have 15 pairs of cowboys boots and i wear them. i can't now because of my leg, but i think they're fithts. >> high heeled cowboy boots, i'm for them all the time. however, that looks very

bootyish t. does look a little like john travolta, but, you know. >> and "saturday night fever." >> that is funny. sweet if his wife got them for him and he's wearing them. >> did you not get something like that for christmas and all of a sudden you feel obligated? maybe even like it -- >> absolutely. >> jeb bush. hasn't gone well for jeb thus far. gallup had interesting data about favorability, unfav unfavorability. can he look at that? edi, what has he done to drop -- >> nothing. >> to drive up his unfavorable? >> he has done nothing. the biggest issue he has right now it seems is that the favorability among men is dropping. that's because men, i believe, like guys who are strong. who they look at and think, oh, they're self-assured. >> trump is kicking sand in his face. >> he comes across at weak. he's a nice guy. everybody agrees on that, but he's certainly not coming across

as very presidential. >> you ran walter mondale's campaign. do you like being reminded of that, by the way? >> no. >> i think every week how should i introduce you? >> i was going to say something in the beginning. you always ask good questions. could you leave that one go? i did 103 campaigns, i'm remembered for that one but words of beef out of it. >> i want to ask you this question. it's not going well for jeb. why not roll the dice and bring out w? what do you have to lose? >> he's done that, but -- >> no, he really hasn't. w hasn't come out and done it. why not send w to iowa? >> here's why. jeb has a kid who really could run for president and possibly could win. i think it's irresponsible of jeb -- >> bush 53? >> irresponsible of jeb to stay in this long. he can bring out his father, his brother, his mother, everybody, and it's not going to change this. i think he needs to take an exit. >> boils down to two things. his father and brother ran wars and i don't think people perceive him to be a commander

in chief. >> i don't -- i don't know anybody who walks away, though, still having -- i don't remember the latest number. edi, 50 mil? super pac? not going without spending it. right? >> he's got the money, but at a certainly points it gets embarrassing. >> three people with a tickets out of new hampshire. three, maybe four, and maybe bush -- >> john kasich, about to come on live from new hampshire, can he be one of them? >> he could. new hampshire always -- >> you awe glee? agree? >> i would like to see that. >> new hampshire always has a surprise. invariably does. four guys come out of new hampshire, with all due respect to the woman in the field, she will not, but here's jeb's problem. he's got to win florida. if he can't win florida and loses it to marco rubio, he's gone. >> ben carson. hasn't said anything about carson. he made a fifth grade mistake. goes into a fifth grade class, who's the dumbest kid in class? trying to make a good point. meaning i once was regarded as

the dumbest kid in class but before he can deliver that line, everybody points to a particular kid. >> he was back pedaling because he saw that. i think the reaction, "people" magazine said he shamed a fifth grader. listen to this kid. he wasn't shamed. he wasn't raised in the age of everybody wins everybody gets a trophy. maybe not the smartest kid in the class. he said at the end of it, if i could, i'd vote for carson. his mother said first, he's not the dumbest kid in the class and a really resilient kid. didn't bother him. >> i don't give my sons trophies for everything. i have three. one daughter. i'd be pissed if my kid was the one everybody pointed to. >> well, the mother's not. >> as the dumbest kid in my fifth grade class, this was taken out of context and carson has a facebook. look at his numbers. he fell 23 points. >> it's all about selling books for him. his wife has a book out now as

well. he knows. >> a little cynical. >> i'm entitled. >> i don't think he meant to do it. he tried to make the best of it. >> go get your boots on. >> i'm going to bring my boots next week. >> thank you both. appreciate it. so many great subjects. tweet me at smerconish. i will read the best later in the program. donald trump already tweeted about my buchanan interview but forgot to add @smerconish. as we head to iowa and new hampshire, fighting to keep his campaign relevant. john kasich is here, live. and also, mark wahlberg played him in the movie "lone survivor." now marcus latrell back in the public eye as a big supporter of the nra and opinions what might make them think about pulling this ad. >> my freedom is more powerful than anything you can possibly do and i will never, never surrender by rights to your

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think sugar, use splenda my next guest, one of the nra's most outspoken supporters is known us because of what happened in afghanistan in 2005. marcus latrell one of the small group of navy s.e.a.l.s deployed an a secret in addition to take owl a taliban leader. a blockbuster movie played by mark wahlberg, they were spotted by a group of goat herders. >> the way i see it we got three options. one -- we let them go. hike up, probably found in less than an hour. two, we tie him up. hike out, roll the dice. they'll probably be eaten by wolves or freeze to death.

>> three? >> we terminate the compromise. >> we cannot do that. >> the s.e.a.l.s debated whether to kill the locals including a child then decided to let them go. one of the locals revealed their location and all the s.e.a.l.s were killed except latrell who earned a navy cross. marcus latrell is back in the public eye because of his story being one of the episodes of the new history documentary "live to tell" and because he starred in this pro-gun ad with almost a half million hits on youtube. >> i know you're watching. so pay attention. you hate my freedom. my religion, and my country. you hate me for speaking my mind. you try to control me with violence and intimidation. you think you can muzzle me with fear. don't ever confuse me for my politicians or my media. i am an american. free born and free bred. and i will call you out for who you are.

an islamic extremist who would kill me for my beliefs. my freedom is more important than anything you can possibly do and i will never, never surrender my rights to your terror. i will say what i think, worship according to my beliefs and raise my children the way i see fit and defend it all with the constitution of the united states. i cower to no one because i am the national rifle association of america, and i am freedom's safest place. >> marcus latrell's real-life story is also one of the episodes of a new history channel series titled "live to tell" executive produced by hollywood heavyweight peter berg and both gentlemen join me mow. what did you make of the town hall meet? >> in my opinion, you start messing with what this country was founded on, the baseline is

what we call it, it opens up too many doors. you start messing with that, people can say religion kills people. start messing with that. the stuff on the news, or social media, it affected, killed somebody. so i think if you're going to make a decision like that it can't be a one-man deal. it's got to be both houses and the people coming together in unanimous decision when you start messing with the constitution. >> peter berg, "lone survivor" when it was published i brought marcus to philadelphia -- >> let me put this out to you, man. i applaud him for trying to do something. something has to be done. i mean, i think that should be said, too. everybody takes jabs at him. he's trying to do something. i get that, and i'm not 100% on this, but didn't they open up that if you get a psych eval and the doc thinks you're crazy he can turn you over to the fed? >> i don't know if that's internet lure or part and parcel of this? my understanding, i've read it. he's trying to identify who is a

hobbyist at gun sales and to make people subject to background checks. that's the bottom line. seems pretty modest, frankly. >> yeah. i don't see, why is that a problem? i mean, people get driver's licenses and -- i don't think that's an issue. 2016, i don't think that that's a problem. >> marcus, they may yank you off that nra ad, if they hear you say that. >> to have people with -- with psychological problems have a background check before they can buy a weapon? i don't think the nra would pull me off for that one. if they do then i need to be pulled off. you got to -- you can't give a weapon to somebody that has mental issues, right? >> peter berg, when "lone survivor" came out. i brought marcus to philadelphia. 1,000 people lined up to hear him, could a dropped a pin. struck a cord. you directed "lone survivor,"

the new series, one of the episodes. my question to you is, why has this story, his story, struck such a cord with so many americans? >> he's just a remarkable man who speaks for a culture of similarly remarkable men. special operations community, and i think it's pretty obvious that we as a country respond very well to men like marcus latrell and his brothers. >> marcus, we know, i think most of us, basic facts of "lone survivor." this is different. this now is the story of the men who came to rescue you. speak about them. speak about their role. >> when they first walked in the door, i mean, the thought on my face was, man, they look upset. and they looked beat down. i mean, good lord. they'd been looking for me for as long as i'd been missing, all wearing body armor and i'm pretty sure one had a heavy weapon's no food, no water.

three minutes into it, after they started to patch me up, if you want to cuss me, do anything like that, go ahead, because i know on the way out you've been looking for me, it's been miserable and it's okay. i'm sorry you had to come get me. that kind of stuff. joking around a little bit. i never got a chance to thank edge ander one of them, definitely one heck of a time out there, for sure. >> what i like about peter's work on this project is i'm a believer now 15 years into this war on radical islam, the word choice that i use. i think it's the word choice that you use as we. i believe we're living in the midst are and you're a part of this, the greatest generation. you say the greatest generation and we tend to think of the world war ii guys. you want to say a word about the men, the women, with whom you've served in the last 15 years and the cred the they're due? >> obviously the world war ii guys, that's where we, we learned everything from those guys. and then we hopefully, what we learned we pass down to the

newer generation, but for the people who are in the sandbox and slung lead during my generation, a tough one. no uniforms, fighting in a ghost army and on two battlefronts, and we -- we held them at bay for 15 years. we did that. we kept them out of here for the most part and over there. and took the brunt of it. and that's what we were supposed to do, and for everybody who went over there and did that, man, i -- i respect you and i honor you. it was an honor to serve with you. truly, walked among giants. the way i have to put it. >> a final political question for you, marcus, if i might. i saw you at rick perry's announcement, there with your brother. i have to believe your endorsement is something a lot of folks want in this 2016 race. if you picked a new dog in this fight? >> i haven't, man. rick perry is my family. i love him. and they got me through a lot of stuff. and it was an honor to be up there with him and be a part of

that. it's so early. funny to watch everybody bicker, yell, tear everybody apart this far out. granted now, getting down to it, but they've already been through a fistfight. go lord. i don't watch early on like this. it's too ridiculous. >> peter, congratulations. it's important that you told this story. i know you're in demand. you could go do a big hollywood $400 million picture. i have to believe this was a labor of love for you? >> my two fellow executive producers are both veterans one an ex-navy s.e.a.l. one an ex-army ranger and did 90% of the heavy lifting on this. it was remarkable to see veteran whose can really identified what they wanted to do and did an outstanding job, and hopefully, you know, another aspect that this show, an aspect of this whole big situation we're able to shed light on, making sure we don't forget that these men and women are coming home, trying to reassimilate into civilian life

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when it comes to picking presidents, as ohio goes, so goes the nation. and yesterday ohio republicans who will host their party's national convention this summer broke with historical precedent and delivered an early endor endorsement to their governor john kasich in his bid for the white house. residents of the buckeye state won't vote in a primary until march, but they want it understood now that they're standing with their man. and today comes the announcement so, too, is their senator rob portman. i happened to see john kasich as the type of republican best suited to wage a general election campaign, but the same attributes that make him attr t attractive in a general, mainly experience and bridge-building, might hinder his ability to compete in primary season. governor john kasich joins me now from columbia, south carolina. are you now trying to convince

what i just said of republicans, i'm a winner. i can beat hillary? >> well, michael, i do talk about that, but i'm also telling them about what i think and who i am. look, a lot of americans think they're being ripped off, that the rich and powerful run everything and the son of a mailman, which is what i am, and a grandfather who has a coal miner died of black lung, i've been fighting my whole we're of people who don't have a voice. we are rising. in new hampshire, vemp virtualld for second or moving up to first place. as people focus more on experience, reform-oriented and take a good look at you and see whether you're a leader, weth you are you've got good qualities and we're very, very pleased with where we are in new hampshire right now. >> why not flat out make the pitch and say to republicans, you might be angry about the status quo, but donald trump

can't win the general election. i'm the guy from ohio? >> i might want to hire you as a campaign manager. are you available to go out on the road? >> no. no. jeff zucker wouldn't allow it. >> will you take a leave from cnn and come on out with me? >> no. i just don't hear you express it that way, but i hear it from my radio, from my radio callers. my radio callers say, you know, give me kasich. give me rubio. give me florida and ohio. we win this thing. >> well, look, you know, i think -- i think it's important to tell people how you win, and there isn't any doubt i'd win a general election. you said at the top of the show, i'm the strongest general election candidate. i have to get through the primaries. and the way i do that michael, to have an opportunity for people to hear me, see me, poke me, smell me, see what they think about me. that's how it works in new hampshire. if i come out of new hampshire as one of the big stories, i believe i will be the nominee and i think i can beat hillary clinton, because hillary's kind of a typical political type

without a vision, and you know, all of my career i've been able to help create an atmosphere of job creation, been able to help people to rise, give opportunity to people who have traditionally lived in the shadows, and i think as you know, i've been very difficult for people to define, because, you know, i think with my head and my heart, and ohio the story in ohio is incredible. up a 385,000 jobs with rock solid pensions. we have running a surplus. we've cut the movie taxes of any governor in america today, and then those who have mental illness or drug addiction, the working poor, the developmentally disabled, we are the minority community. we reach out to all of them and help them to have a voice and help them to have an opportunity to rise. >> governor, you're in south carolina. last night at a rally in south carolina, something occurred that i'd love to get your comment on and that is that a muslim woman stood in silent protest of donald trump. she was then escorted out of the

crowd. things got a little nasty. i'm going to run that image and hope that john kasich will react to what he sees in this video. go ahead. [ chanting ] >> you'll see the way in which she's heckled on the way out the door. what do you make of this, governor kasich? >> terrible. you know, we are not a country that -- you know, a country that feels good about insulting or yelling at people, or demeaning people. so, you know, maybe it was a friday night, and who knows, but -- look. people want to come to my rallies, they want to come to my town halls, they're welcome. i've had people disrupt, but that's all part of america. right? i mean -- but i just don't like the tearing apart of the

country, because if we want to fix the border or if we want to fix social security, if we want to create an environment for job creation, we're not going to get it done by tearing one another apart, and i also have to tell you that, michael, we've just seen this north korean situation, and one of the great things that troubles me is the ability of a country like north korea to be able to give very dangerous materiels or weapons technology to non-state actors. that would be people like hezbollah, isis, hamas, and the entire world is going to have to stop that. because if that's not the case, we're going to see, we could potentially see horrific things happen in this world. and we have many muslim countries that are moderate in nature, and they respect women and civilization and history, and we don't want to be alienating people like that, because you remember the first gulf war where both arabs and the westerners went and drove

saddam out of kuwait? that's what it has to look like again when we go after isis, and in we're attacking muslims, they're not going to -- we drive them farther away. we'll get through this. get over that. that's just not the way to behave. >> here's the serious point john kasich is making. governor kasich, you're saying . >> here is the serious point that governor kasich is making. that video is being shown. how is a future commander in chief going to be able to build the arab coalition to fight radical islam if those we want to attract on our side are watching the way that woman was treated. that's the point, right? >> i don't want to overreact to it. one rally, one guy, one situation. it is not helpful, clearly. i have two daughters that will be turning 16 years of age in a few days. i treat them to treating others

with respect. to yell at scream at somebody because of their religion, that doesn't reflect who america or americans are. >> governor, i just have 30 seconds left with you. is it all on the line in new hampshire for john kasich. >> we are in south carolina, organized in nevada. organizing in the south with great people like senator trent lott. we have to be a good story coming out of new hampshire. we will be. i'm like the little engine that can. people say, how is he going to do? you can see, i'm rising in the polls. that's what really matters. we have the best ground game in new hampshire with positive commercials on the air right now. i'm predicting a very significant sernlg forward. always a pleasure. still to come, i've been reading your tweets. my favorites, like this one, when we come back. hwe'll match any competitorse best prprice. this?

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a muslim woman kicked out of a donald trump rally. the crowd booing and heckling her. one group is demanding trump apologize. >> it was really quite telling and a vivid example of what happens when you start using this hateful rhetoric and how it can incite a crowd. new information, the world's most wanted drug lord, el chapo, captured in a deadly shootout. where is he toda