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attack. and accompanied him to two potential targets where he would kill dozens. we begin with the search grand floridian hotel. it has been about 12 hours since the alligator lunged out of the water and seized the little boy. lake buena vista, where crews are searching for any signs of hope. tell us more, boris. >> reporter: hey, carol. owe officials here trying to keep hope alive. this attack is really rare. alligators, anyone who has been in florida, knows how common they are. they're around any fresh water that is around. this kind of attack, the nature of it, is extremely unlikely. despite that, they're holding out hope. this is still a search and rescue effort, not a search and recovery yet, meaning they're still, still hoping they'll find
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this young boy, despite that, though, as the hours pass, hope is certainly dimming. a desperate search underway at a luxury disney resort near orlando. by air and in the water. for a 2-year-old boy, snatched and dragged away by an alligator at disney's grand floridian resort. the toddler was wading near the shore of a man-made lake with his family nearby. >> we've taken four alligators out of the water, and they have to be euthanized. >> the father jumping into the water, to no avail. the tragic incident, occurring shortly after 9:00 p.m., according to law enforcement officials. social media lighting up with horrified disney goers, watching the search unfold. quote, police pulling up yellow tape outside of the grand floridian, directly across from magic kingdom in orlando. and praying for this family,
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ground and air crews continue search at disney's grand floridian hotel. the young boy was on vacation with his family from nebraska, and had been staying at the resort since sunday. disney is fully cooperating with the investigation. >> everyone here at the walt disneyworld resort is devastated by this tragic accident. our thoughts are with the family. we are helping the family ain doing everything we can. >> reporter: a harsh reality is setting in for rescuers desperately trying to find this young boy. >> we're not leaving until we recover the child. >> boris sanchez, thank you for that report. i want to bring in jeff williamson, he is the public information officer from the orange county sheriff's department. thank you so much for joining me this morning. this is an unusual event. am i right? >> very unusual.
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in fact, what i'm hearing is this hotel has never had complaints after an alligator attack or alligator nuisance whatsoever. as far back as we sccan go, the has not been alligator issues at this particular location. >> but this particular lagoon, it is a man-made lagoon, how many alligators are known to be in the lagoon? >> that's a question for florida fish and wildlife officials. they were on scene discussing that. i don't think they have an exact number. i know overnight, in search for the child, we've pulled out four gators, as you heard in the previous sound bite. and we have been able to go through those gators, and there has not been any determination as to -- or any information we could discover based upon our examination based on those gators. in terms of how many, i don't know. nor do i think anyone really knows at this point. >> the little boy, was he in the water? was he on the edge of the water? was he wading in the water? where was he exactly when the
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alligator snatched him? >> from what i hear from dete detectives, he was about a foot into the water, maybe ankle high or so. it is a little man-made beach area just outside the resort. it goes into a very shallow area of water, and of course out to a larger lake. he was probably about a foot into the water. not very far in. there is a sign that says no swimming. there is no indication he was doing that. he was at the edge of the water, and this freakish incident takes place and this gator latches on to this poor child. >> so the boy's parents, his mother and father and his sibling, they were nearby. what were they doing? >> my understanding is the father was very close by his son. in fact, he heard what sounded like a splash, and he turned. he thought the splash was something innocent. but he turned, and then of course, there was nothing innocent. he saw his child in the mouth of
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gator. he ran to render aid or get the child out of the gator's mouth. he had some scratches on his arm, but was unsuccessful. he was able to get the child away from the father, and to move into the water area, and disappear into the water. disney had boats that were on this particular lake. they're out there first. the creek fire rescue, which manages disney from an ems standpoint, they came out and put boats on the water, the sheriff's marine team, divers have been called out. we've been searching since 10:00 last night. here we are 12 hours later, and we can't find this child. we are holding out hope, but you know, quite frankly, it is looking grim. we are still holding out hope, we can locate this child. >> and just a final question. how deep and long is the lagoon?
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how difficult is this search? >> it is a very deep lagoon. i do not know how deep it is nor how far, but it is a massive body of water. it is called the seven seas lagoon or something like that the official name of it. it is a very large body of water. we have multiple boats in there, helicopters will be out again today looking for this child. it is quite a massive undertaking to try to find this child. but we're not leaving any stone unturned. most of us have not gotten any sleep. we're going to keep looking and looking until we can find something that will give some relief to this family. grief counselors are in with the family right now. as you can probably understand and guess, and imagine, they are really going through a great deal of trauma right now. i just can't imagine the agony. jeff, thank you so much for joining me this morning. all right, on to this terror investigation in orlando. the horrific terror attack at an
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orlando nightclub, investigators now focused on the wife of the shooter, trying to determine exactly what she knew. the fbi says noor salman knew that her husband wanted to carry out a jihad attack. he visited the pulse nightclub and disney with the killer. they do not believe salman is a conspirator, but could face charges for not reporting her husband's plans. in the meantime, there are questions whether the shooter may have been gay. he used gay hook-up apps and was a regular at the gay nightclub, pulse. a development investigators say could change the perspective of the case. jim sciutto is following all of these latest details, joining me now. >> so two focuses right now. one is on his wife. she is the subject of an active investigation because of those two questions raised. she knows he was considering a terrorist attack, why didn't she come forward to police.
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she told investigators that she visited several sites with him, including pulse, a disney property. did she know that he was somehow scoping those out as targets. she says no, but if she knew he was considering a terror attack, why didn't she connect the dots. this is a line of inquiry right now are, and the police say the investigation is still ongoing. >> we are trying to understand all of his travels in the recent to understand if he may have had others who were involved, and if he may have probed at other locations here. >> again, this is early in the investigation. they are not establishing any of this. but the fact that they're looking into it means they are interested. the other question, then, is what was he doing, you know, in advance of this. this is one question raised. we know from regular club goers,
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he visited pulse multiple times for three years. was it casing the place or his personal life that he was not comfortable. that's another line of inquiry as well. >> going back to the wife, did the two ever have a conversation about this killer wanting to carry out some sort of jihadist attack? >> well, she says she knew that he what was considering it, so they must have had a conversation about it. the question is to what degree. they have other tools to investigate it now. they have his electronic devices, his computer, his phone. >> wait a minute. they discussed this as a couple, honey, i want to carry out a jihad attack and then they go case pulse and disney and she didn't know? she didn't connect the dots? >> that's the thing that doesn't add up. how can you know. why would a wife bring her husband to a gay nightclub. either the explanation is -- >> to go dancing. >> exactly. why he is going there, did she
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know about his personal life. police are used to these kinds of and the fbi, these kinds of confusing answers. there is a fair question here. she is trying protect herself. give a little bit, but i didn't know what he was doing. they don't have the goods on that yet. that's why they're continuing this situation. >> many thanks to you, jim. it is important to remember that despite being known to the fbi, the gunman that no criminal background. he was not on the terror watch list. so what more could authorities have done to prevent this massacre. let's talk about that. i want to bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes and peter bergen. i want to start with you, tom. the fbi knew about this guy, right, they investigated him in 2013 and 2014. they interviewed him twice, put him on a terror watch list.
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they dispatched an informant to get close to him. they followed him around for ten months, and then they closed the case. so that sounds like they did a lot of investigating or does it sound to you like the fbi at some point dropped the ball? >> no, i've run cases just exactly like that. that type of investigation for ten months would probably require at least one full squad of agents almost full-time to do that. it is a very extensive amount of investigation. and the problem is that even though he had made inflammatory statements to coworkers, they couldn't find any indication, even after introducing an informant to him, that he actually was going to do something. he was mouthing off, and they know that, and he had intentions or bad thought, but they couldn't find anything to show that he was actually going to go operational and commit this act. again, you know, it's 2013, and obviously he didn't commit the act for another three years.
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so you know, he hadn't completely radicalized yet, so what they didn't find he didn't have. he wasn't ready to carry out the attack in 2013. >> so peter, in your mind, did the fbi miss something? or is it so difficult to figure out to get into the minds of these lone wolves and figure out if or when they might do something? >> well, yes, i mean until we have a machine that could read men's souls. we won't know exactly what somebody is going to do. the fact is in many of the terrorist attacks in the united states, the perpetrator is known to the fbi. carlos bledsoe who killed a soldier in arkansas was interviewed by the fbi and in yemen, and he was able to carry out his attack. similarly, major hussan was
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well-known to the field office, e-mails he was sending to an al qaeda cleric in yemen, that washington field office said it was kind of normal e-mail contact that fit with his job as an army psychologist. the lead brother in the boston marathon attacks was interviewed by the fbi because of his -- the russians said he may have ties to russian organizations. it is rather -- this is not exceptional at all, carol, that somebody comes up on the radar screen. we live in a rule of law society. they can't keep the cases open indefinitely. as tom explains, you know, you know, there is a first amendment in this country. you can say whatever you want. you can be a terrible husband, a bad guy. but that doesn't make you somebody that is necessarily a criminal, until you start casing joints and buying automatic
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weapons, which happened later in this -- rather recently. >> tom, we should mention that the fbi at this moment has 10,000 terror investigations open. so we're not really centering on all of those lone wolves attacks that they've stopped. >> no, they have, you know, thee these extensive investigations ongoing. if you recall the case in boston, where the fbi had the wire tap on the individual and informant introduced, that's the guy that ordered knives online and intended to go kill, first of all, the woman that organized, you know, the mohammed rallies down in texas, they were going to behead her first, but then the guy decided, no, i'm going to go to the boys in blue are out there waiting for me. he grabs his knives, goes out the front door, luckily the fbi picked it up on the wire tap
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when he called his buddy to say he was going to do it, and the fbi had a full surveillance team across the street from his apartment uks and intercepted him before he got to the bus stop. and of course, he came at the agents and they shot and killed him. there is a classic case that even being on the radar, if you don't have the squad right there, they didn't have to read his mind, because he made a phone call while they had a wire tap-in progress. they can't keep these cases open and wire tap everybody who thinks or expresses bad thoughts out loud. that's what happened. the issue about the wife, i was involved in a number of cases where a wife called in to the fbi and said my husband is a terrorist, he is going to do a terrible thing. one case it, was a case where he was going to fly an airplane into sears tower in chicago and it turned out later, she said well, we had a fight. i just called the fbi to get him in trouble. that's the other issue that comes up. they have a lot of false
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accusations being made, and they may have to sort it out and figure out what the truth is. >> all right, tom, peter, thanks so much for being with me this morning. here in central florida, one question looms with agonizing clarity. this would be the question. how much heart break can one city endure. consider the tragedies that have unfolded in recent days. on friday night, christina grimmie is gunned down after a concert. she was signing autographs for fans. the gunman killed himself. later, walking into a nightclub, guns down more than 100 people. investigators trying to fathom the hatred and the reasons that fuel such a massacre. a gator snatches a 2-year-old. his frantic father fights in vein. crews search for any signs of
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hope. orlando struggles for understanding, and how many horrors can befall one community.
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the terror attack in orlando has sparked a political war of words that reaches all the way to the white house. president obama joining hillary clinton and blasting donald trump over his renewed calls for a muslim ban and mr. trump's rhetoric. the presumptive nominee firing back, saying the president should save his anger for fighting terrorists. all of it as a new bloomberg poll shows clinton's lead growing. >> carol, the bloomberg showing hillary clinton opening up a 12 point lead in the matchup against donald trump with 55% of those polled saying they could
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never vote for donald trump. meanwhile, a concerted attack on trump, coming from both hillary clinton and president obama, and a strong response from trump. >> donald trump going after president obama. >> i watched president obama today, answered was more angry at me thaen was at the shooter. >> accusing the president of being angrier at him than the man who carried out the terror attack at a gay nightclub in orlando. >> the level of anger, that's the kind of anger he should have for the shooter, and these killers that shouldn't be here. >> trump, lashing out just hours after president obama's fiery speech defending his strategy against isis and his refusal to use the term radical islam. >> that's the key they tell us. we can't beat isil unless we call them radical islamists. what exactly would using this label accomplish. what exactly would it change. there is no magic to the phrase
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radical islam. it is a political talking point. it is not a strategy. >> the president's speech, his sharpest against the presumptive nominee, slamming his rhetoric as dangerous and unamerican. >> that's not the america we want. it doesn't reflect our democratic ideals. it won't make us more safe. it will make us less safe. >> flinched by his national security council, including the joint chiefs of staff, the president lambasting trump's renewed push to ban muslims entering the u.s. and the leadership squirming by his views. >> if we paint all muslims with a broad brush, and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorist work for them. >> trump, appear unimpressed. >> nobody at the end of the speech understood anything other than, boy, does he hate donald
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trump. >> democrats, mounting a calculated one-two punch. >> what donald trump is saying is shameful. >> with hillary clinton, simultaneously unleashing when rebuke in pittsburgh. >> what donald suggests, i won't call this threat what it is, he hasn't been listening. but i will not demonize and declare war on an entire religion. >> also the conspiracy theories after the terror attack as shameful. >> even in a time of divided politics, this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone running for president. >> what we haven't heard so much in the midst of this is the end of the democratic primary process. hillary clinton won the final contest right here in washington, d.c. she and her democratic rival met quietly so far, but so far, no concession of the race by bernie
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sanders. carol. >> all right, thank you, joe. it is not just democrats coming out against donald trump. the "washington post" noting that some key republicans are also voicing their concerns. here is what some of them, including the house speaker, paul ryan, had to say. >> i do not think a muslim ban is in our country's interest. i do not think it is reflective of our principles, not just as a party, but as a country. >> i hope in the process over the next few months, he realizes that in order to actually win this war, you are going to need people that he has already alienated. >> i've said this a thousand times about donald trump. he is making it harder to win the war. >> so let's talk about this with me now. scottie nel hughes is a trump supporter. welcome to you both. scottie, i want to start with you. i'm standing near a place where
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49 american citizens died. in the past, the nation has always come together. yet here we are, we're bickering. scottie, a lot of people are blaming that bickering on mr. trump. >> and here's the thing. you know, let's -- i agree. let's not make this political. you want to talk about, you ran the sound bites from the republicans. those are the same bitter people that have been going since day one against mr. trump. they've never actually -- they're looking for the chance to say i told you so, he is not the person that we want. on the other side we have president obama and the nominee, hillary clinton, going after the gun rights immediately. they're not addressing -- nobody is presenting solutions right now to solve the problems that led to events like orlando, like san bernardino. all they're doing is throwing these sort of criticisms on donald trump, but without actually presenting a plan to solve the problem here at home where this is growing. >> tracee, your response to
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that? >> what donald trump is doing is denigrating entire populations, massive religions, entire communities of immigrants. he is factually wrong. he is making thing up. he is preying on the fear. i appreciated the phrase earlier that republican leaders are squirming over what they're hearing from donald trump. it so so unfortunate for those in the republican party who have nobel goals to come together and work with democrats and think about how we conquer these problems. but donald trump is providing nothing but fear and anger and den gration and frankly, made up facts. >> and scottie, you saw that bloomberg poll, hillary clinton is up by 12 points. that poll was taken before this tragedy happened in orlando. so how do you explain those numbers, in mr. trump falling in the polls? >> that's right. it was taken kind of during -- i
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think it started on saturday and ended on tuesday. it skewed 8% by democrats. it did show that mr. trump is losing with the independents and a little bit of -- >> what do you mean the poll is skewed? if it was for donald trump, you probably would not say that. >> no, but it was. there was 8% more democratic whose were part of that poll than republicans, registered democrats than republicans. you still would have 4% more. it does show last week, it was a hard week for mr. trump. i add plit that. but hillary clinton should have seen a stronger bump in her polls. now we have a whole different situation this week, carol, with the events in orlando. people do want action. those same republican leaders and same democrats have not been able to get anything to keep something like this from being prevented. obviously their first cry is we need more gun control. but every policy that they've proposed, nothing would have stopped this terrorist. nobody is actually proposed anything. mr. trump's idea and it's true that our system is broken, is a
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temporary ban on those non-u.s. citizens that might be traveling over here and helping to radicalize these homegrown terrorists, radical islamic terrorists that are here in the united states. we don't know what is being taught in these mosques, from these communities, we don't know what is being told of these people encouraging them to do these actions. 86 people in america, americans have died, since barack obama went into office at the hands of islamic terrorists here at home. no solution has been proposed yet to stop that. >> and tracy -- >> first of all -- >> go ahead. >> first of all, for donald trump, this espousing of racism does not constitute a plan. what he is saying would not stop a single terrorist. if anything, he is only stoking fears in this country. moreover, if you listen to what president obama said in the first half of his powerful and angry remarks yesterday, he was
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providing a complex overview of many of the successes that he has had in this fight against terror. and finally, with the primaries now behind us, hillary clinton is in a position to bring together democrats and continue to push as we would like for these measures on gun control. why would you be on a no-fly list, but be able to buy a gun. these simple and practical measures, are things that she is committed to pushing through. she has the support of her voters. >> i have to leave it there. scottie nell hughes, tracy, thank you both. the gun loopholes, flagged by the government, barred from flying, but still allowed to purchase weapons, even semi-automatic weapons, talking about the terror gap, next. calling all go-getters. all providers. all self-motivated self-starters.
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we have breaking news to share with you right now. the orlando terror attack, a source confirming the shooter called a local tv producer during the attack. jim sciutto has details on that. so in the middle of the shooting, not only did he call 911, but he called a television station. >> that's right. our justice team confirming this was the other call. we heard that there was another call he made from inside the club, as the shooting was underway. we can now confirm based on local law enforcement it was to a local tv station. that local tv station, they have said, there is a whole interview with the producer, he identified himself as the shooter. first, beginning by asking the station do you know what's going on down at the pulse nightclub and then saying i'm the shooter. so you have this other kind of call for attention really while the attack was underway. as you know, he called 911. we reported that earlier.
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and identified himself as the shooter, said he was doing it for isis. now you have him calling local media, to in effect get more attention for what he was doing. >> so did he want to be put on the air live? what did he want from this television station? >> according to the station, he didn't ask for that. it was a relatively short call. he was calling to make sure they knew. right, so as you gain that out, here is someone who not only wanted law enforcement to know that he was doing this for isis, but he wanted the news media here to cover what he was doing. >> and what did the television station do with that information? did they call -- they didn't air it obviously? >> my understanding based on their own account, it was not live on the air. it was a phone call, telephone at the station that someone picked up. >> just so strange. >> adds to the further profile, why does someone do this. there are a whole host of explanations, but that demand for attention adds to a number of things. the psychological profile, but
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his desire to carry out a catastrophic, spectacular for a terror group. >> thanks so much, jim sciutto. the attack in orlando reigniting the debate over who can legally purchase guns. a new report found nine out of ten people oh on the terror watch list who wanted to buy a gun were able to buy a gun. so let's talk about why this is. i'm joined by cnn senior law enforcement analyst, tom fuent sech es. and larry on the phone. nine out of ten were able to buy a gun. what does law enforcement think of the so-called terror gap? >> for law enforcement, they're enforcing the laws that we have, including the constitutional laws that we have. you know, many authorities have said that because we have an amendment, a constitutional amendment, the second amendment, that gives citizens the right to
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purchase and possess firearms, that that pretty much, you know, requires that you have conviction or someone judged mentally ill before you can deny them the right to buy arms. now our founds fathers negligently did not include to fly on airplane, but owning a firearm is, unless these other factors kick in. >> so tom, as just a law enforcement officer, is it disturbing to you that people on the terror watch list can buy a gun or is it okay by you? >> as a law enforcement officer, there are a lot of things disturbing. the fact that anyone can buy an assault rifle and run around with extended magazines and kpl commitment these acts, which has led to law enforcement going to millzation. you noticed in the attack the other night, the police
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officer's helmet that had a bullet hole in it, that saved his life, that's a military helmet. that's a kevlar helmet issued to our troops going to war. used a bobcat, an armored vehicle to penetrate the walls of that place. so they were making use of the $65 million of grant money which helped them have the military type equipment they needed to deal with this attack. >> all right, so larry, this question is for you. a survey by every town usa, i want to make this clear, a pro gun group, 76% say people should not be able to buy guns. i want you to listen to what a gunshop manager here in orlando told me. i asked him, said do you think that people on the terror watch list should be able to purchase a gun of any type. this is what he told me. >> does that bug you? >> yes.
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i am going to be honest with you. yes, it does. if you are on a watch list, where you can't even fly, you shouldn't be able to buy a firearm or any type of weapon for that matter. i do believe that. >> do you think you are unusual in your line of business in thinking that way? >> i don't know. but i honestly, there are things that we should be talking about, and you know, when it comes to firearms ownership, i'm a gun owner myself, and it bothers me when somebody is reckless, because it gives other gun owners a bad reputation. settle and when josh thinks big you know what he gives? i'll give you everything i've got and then some... he gives a hundred and ten percent!
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all right, i am back. good morning, i'm carol costello. i want to apologize for our
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technical difficulties, but at the very, very hots and humid and our equipment simply overheated and we needed a back-up generator. i apologize to larry and tom. it is an important conversation to have about people on the terror watch list being able to buy guns, and we'll have that conversation in the days to come. in the hours to come on cnn. but right now, doye hai do bit of breaking news about the gator attack at a disney resort in florida. boris sanchez has new information for you this morning. what can you tell us? >> reporter: carol, we're still waiting to find the whereabouts of the toddler, but in the past few moments, walt disneyworld officials are telling us they're shutting down all the beaches on the walt disneyworld resort. it is an expansive, giant property. they're going to shut down all the beaches on the property, just to be sure that their patrons and guests feel safe.
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this is really an extreme move in terms of caution, because not only are people not allowed to swim on these beaches, but this kind of gator attack is extremely rare. we had jeff corwin on earlier talking about as more people move to florida, developments encroach under their natural habitat and it is extremely difficult to keep gators out of man-made lagoons, especially one like this that is connected to a series of canals through body of fresh water. it is not uncommon to see one in florida, but having animals that are typically shy, having one come that close to a human and attack it, is extremely rare. so again, walt disneyworld, taking a very serious step to try to make its guests and patrons feel safe by shutting down all the beaches here to ensure, taking the extra step to ensure something like this does not happen again. >> all right, boris sanchez, reporting live for us this
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morning. we'll get back to you with new information. thanks so much. back to the terror attack here in orlando, with each passing hour we spend here, we're getting a clearer picture of the chaos that unfolded in the moments after gunfire began ringing out inside the pulse nightclub. brooke baldwin was exclusively allowed inside the club. >> it has been extraordinary hearing these survivor stories. we heard from people at the hospital. i want to take a moment to talk to first responders, and especially firefighters. i talked to this lieutenant who allowed us in the a area right around early evening yesterday. he wanted to show me exactly what happened as fire station five, which is by the way about 300 feet away from the nightclub, describe first initially getting the calls, multiple shots, you know, maybe that would be just a few people. heard the shots from within the fire station 5 and studly, in the whee hours of sunday
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morning, it became a makeshift triage area, the gruesome scene, as though some of the walking wounded came to the fire station to a bagel shop across the street. when you talk about heroism, this fire department here in orlando, exemplifies that. here is what he told me happened. >> we're standing in front of your fire station, explain to me that night, so you start hearing the shots. the first thing you saw was what? >> people running across the street, just screaming and running. >> that way? >> that way, just running away from the building. pulse is less than 300 feet and they were running for their lives. >> and then show me, so here is the front of the fire station, and people were brought in into -- inside? >> eventually, they were brought insi inside. but we had groups of people hiding and groups of people seeking cover behind the wall right there. >> people were hiding from the club? >> yeah.
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>> the wall. >> they were behind the brick wall right there. rightly so. they were trying to get anything between them and the bullets. >> wow. >> so you know, the firing was constant. you know, it is kind of sick to think about it. but each time he was shooting, once more going about his business as methodically as he was at a gun range. i won't forget the steady power pow, pow, pow. this guy was deliberate about his business. >> reporter: you heard from here? >> absolutely. as soon as i stepped into the bay, i could hear the gunshots. i go, this is not going to be a disagreement where i'm going to end it by shooting somebody. this was, as we've seen -- >> reporter: as people are running that way and are seeking shelter at your fire station, you decide to send first responders and medics to the
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bagel shop? >> across the parking lot, they were bringing victims behind einstein. that put the building between them and the pulse. >> reporter: as a protective barrier. >> right. >> reporter: lieutenant odell, 35 years as a firefighter. you train and train and train, but never, ever, ever in a million years would think you'd find yourself in this situation. he's a father. he did quickly share with me his text to his wife in the thick of it essentially saying do not let the kids when they wake up sunday to turn on the television because of what happened right here. >> much more on your show later this afternoon. >> yes. thank you. >> thanks. still to come in the newsroom, new twists on the killer's motive. what witnesses saw and heard during the attack that's raising new questions about his ties to radical extremism. we'll be right back.
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the more we learn about the orlando killer, the more confusing -- how his brain works, it's confusing. conflicting reports are swirling around his jihadist claims, mental health, and even his sexuality. much of what we're learning is coming right from his victims. listen -- >> everybody could hear, who was in the bathroom who survived, could hear him talking to 911 saying the reason he's doing this is because he wants america to stop bombing his country. >> reporter: you heard that clearly? >> yes. he pledged allegiance to isis, and we were bombing his people and needed to stop. he told everyone in the stall that he had no problem with black people.
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he had no problem with black people. and he even referenced the south carolina shooting at the church. >> once he shot him he laughed -- >> reporter: the gunman laughed? >> yes. that's something imprinted in my head for the rest of might have life. >> this person had to be heartless, heartless, ruthless. i don't know how you could do something like this. >> reporter: with subcommittee robert ludwig, psychotherapist and author of "till death do us part." thank you for joining me. thank you for being here. the latest information we learned about the killer is he called into a local television station while he was inside the pulse club shooting people. what does that tell you about him? >> it tells me when they've done profile of lone wolves, they're hard to profile. what they have found is that they tend to have personality
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disorders and depression. here's somebody who certainly wanted to make a name for himself. this killer's idols were famous for killing americans in large numbers. this is something that is religiously driven, politically driven. he clearly was radicalized. but he liked the idea of getting some fame for this for sure. >> so he said to the victims inside the club, you know, i'm not going to shoot african-americans because they've been through enough. yet he chose latin night at the pulse nightclub to carry out the carnage. it just seems like mixed messages to me. >> you know, for somebody who's radicaliz radicalized, basically they dehumanize anyone they consider is a nonbeliever. we don't know enough it this man to know who he considered nonbelievers. but in general, these radicalized individuals feel that nonbelievers are deserving
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of death, deserving of punishme punishment, so who he considered in that grouping is unknown at this point because he's not here to tell us. >> if you could give us your best guess about what really drove him to do this, is that even possible? >> i think what drove him, they're their obviously smfs conflict that got him to be a radicalized individual, and i would also look very much at the relationship between the killer and his father. the killer had a father who was supporting the taliban which supports sharia law which is a very punitive law that believes in tilling people who don't follow the rules -- in killing people who don't follow the rules as they're set out to be followed. his anger got to a point. this is really somebody who really was expressing signs of anger and anti-american
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sentiment with violence for a very long time. his high school friends described this man as enjoying 9/11 and what happened. the seeds were in the making for a very long time. >> all right. thanks for your insight. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts right now. >> and good morning, i'm carol costello live from orlando, florida. thank you very much for joining me this morning. i am here in orlando, a city reeling from so much heartbreak in recent days, facing a new tragedy unfolding down the road from where i'm standing. moment ago walt disney world ordered all of its beaches closed. that dramatic action taken after an alligator lunges from a murky lagoon and snatches a 2-year-old boy. nearly 13 hours later, a grim search is still underway. and investigators shift focus in the killing rampage at that orlando nightclub. the fbi now says the shooter's
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wife knew of his dream of a jihadist attack on u.s. soil. one source tells us she accompanied him to two potential targets including the bar, the pulse, where he killed dozens. we begin with disney shutting down its beaches as crews search a lagoon for the toddler that was snatched by the alligator at a disney property. we have more from lake buena vista where crews are still frantically searching for the boy. hi, boris. >> reporter: hey, carol. yeah, investigators this morning told us this is still a search and rescue effort. it has not become a search and recovery effort yet. the distinction is they're holding out hope they will find in 2-year-old toddler alive. what these parents have had to we'll do is horrifying. they were on vacation at what's supposed to be the happiest place on earth when the unimaginable happened. a desperate search underway at a luxury resort near orlando. by air and in the water.
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a 2-year-old boy snatched and dragged away by an alligator at disney's grand floridian resort. he was wading near the shore of a manmade lake with his family nearby. >> we've taken four alligators out of the lake to analyze. they have to be euthanized. >> reporter: the toddler's father jumped in the water trying to pull his son from the grips of the gator to no avail. the tragic incident occurring after 9:00 p.m. according to law enforcement official. social media lighting up with horrified disney-goers watching the frantic search unfold. "police pulling up yellow tape outside of the grand floridian directly across from magic kingdom in orlando." and "praying for this family. ground and air crews continue search at disney's grand floridian hotel." the young boy was on vacation with his family from nebraska and had been staying at the resort since sunday. disney is fully cooperating with the investigation. >> everyone here at the walt
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disney world resort is devastated boy that tragic accident. our thoughts are with the family. we are helping the family and doing everything we can to assist law enforcement. >> with each passing hour, a harsh reality is setting in for rescuers desperately trying to find this young boy. >> we're not leaving until we recover the child. >> boris sanchez reporting. i'm joined by jeff williamson from the orange county sheriff's department. thanks for rejoining me. i appreciate it. what's the latest in the search? >> reporter: well, it's nothing new from when i spoke to you last. it's the same thing. we pulled about four alligator from that particular body of water overnight. we've examined them. there's no significant information that we've received from that. we have multiple boats on the water. some from fish and wildlife conservation commission, the orange county sheriff's office.
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a marine unit is out with sonar and boats looking desperately to try and find this child. we'll have chase units which are our helicopter units in the air. we have victim advocates still with the family. the search is open and oncoming. the sheriff has mandated that we stay and search and search and continue searching until we have something concrete. he doesn't want us to leave the area without the child. >> wait a minute. jeff, did you say you're actually pulling gators from the water and checking them? >> that's correct. we've pulled four gators overnight from the water, and we are checking them. we have a professional trapper pulling gators from the water. we've trapped them, and we're examining them. they're euthanizing them basically to see if there's any information we can discover. so that's been going on since last night. so far we've pulled four gators from the water. >> disney has closed all of its beaches. exactly how many beaches does that entail? >> i do not know.
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that's a question for disney. i'm not exactly sure what they've closed. i do know that they are basically cordoned off areas just so law enforcement can get in and do their job regarding searching and recovery of this particular child in this incident. >> knowing that a gator snatched a child, how dangerous is it for -- are there divers in the lagoon searching for the little boy, or is that too dangerous? >> at this particular point in time, sonar is involved. we're looking to see if we can get any hits. you know, sonar goes down, an image comes up. if something pop up on sonar, the dive team will go into that location. it's far too large for us to dive the entire lake. we dive based upon hits and sonar. if we get a good sonar hit, the divers will go in. the boat will sit on that spot until they get to it. in terms of danger, as far as we know, this has never happened. there's never been a nuisance
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complaint of an alligator and no attack in the area. this is one of those incidents which is seems like a freakish incident. there's as far as we know right now, there's no danger. if we see something that's interesting, we're going to go down and try and locate and see exactly what that is that we get a hit. on the dive team will go to that particular location. >> so we're heading into the summer season. a lot of parents are bringing their children to orlando to visit the various parks. what advice would you give them? >> i mean, this is a destination capital of the world basically, certainly of the united states with major theme parks here, world-class theme parks here. i certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from bringing their children here. this as i said again, and i'm not saying it as an advocate of disney, i'm saying it because it's the truth. this is a freakish incident that has taken place. this has been here for a long time. this resort's been here a long time. the beach area's been there for
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a long time. it's just an isolated incident. and that's how we're treating it. we're not treating it anything more or less than that. >> all right. jeff williamson from the orange county sheriff's department. thank you very much. we're also following breaking news on the terror attack here in orlando. cnn has just learned that the shooter, omar mateen, called a local television station during the attack and tried to talk with a producer. we're following the story with cnn national security correspondent jim sciutto and cnn military analyst retired general kurt lake. jim, let's start with the latest information on the shooter calling this television station. >> local law enforcement confirming this -- the station saying that it came on a regular phone line during the attack. a producer picks up the phone, and the person identified themself at the shooter. first question, do you know what's going on at the pulse nightclub? he said yes. the person said, i'm the shooter, clearly wanting the
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media to know what was happening. you have two calls -- multiple calls to 911 including that claim that this was in the name of isis. he wanted to make it clear this was a terror attack in the name of the islamic state. this gets to the sick mind and attention someone who would do this wants, he wanted to make sure that the media came to cover it. >> did he tell the producer why he was shooting inside a club here in orlando? >> he also mentioned isis, as well. just as he did in the -- again, there is according to news 13, the local channel, he mentioned isis just as he did in the 911 calls. >> so what do you make of this? >> no, this could be personal note right, trying to get more attention to himself or show that he's doing something to counter -- i'm not a psychology certainly, but showing that he was countering this homosexual event that leads to some of the other conclusions that some have drawn already about his partaking in some events, or it
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could be, we've seen this in terrorist organizations all over the world, they wanted to publicize actions. the question is, was this something for the organization of isis to get more publicity for them, or was this personal notoriety for him to show i'm again homosexuals when there's indicators that he may have been leaning that way in the first place. >> what do investigators think? >> investigators don't know. they don't know yet. they've got a lot of trails that they're trying to track down. when you talk to profilers, they'll say the ones who do it alone, that it's about publicity and drawing attention to yourself. the ones who do it conspiracy, that's more often -- of course, there are loads of exceptions -- that's more often someone doing it for a cause like isis. in this case, the truth is we don't know the final answer. they believe that he acted alone, but they are examining including the wife whether she somehow supported him. >> let's talk about the wife because there's -- there's just strange information coming out about the wife. supposedly she talked with her
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husband about him wanting to commit some jihadist act, right? and they cased the pulse nightclub. i don't know if you determined cased but they went together and also went to the disney shopping area. >> that's right. she has told investigators -- first of all, investigators say she's cooperating, one, two, they've not charged her with anything. three, they don't believe she's a co-conspirator but may have had knowledge. she told investigators he talked about carrying out a jihadist attack and she tried to stop him. she went on visit to the pulse nightclub, at least drove him there in the days before the attack. and also to disney world in april and another disney property earlier this month. she says she didn't know that that was casing out for an attack. now, you're a cop, an fbi agent interviewing. at some point these answers aren't going to add up. and that's what they're doing now. they're trying to see how much is there, frankly, with the threat of criminal charges hanging over her head. that's a tool in these
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interrogations. >> the disney property, the parks have very good security. disney springs, a small outskirt from the disney property, is a shopping center. it's a lot of restaurants. a place people if between going to the parks and going back to their hotel just to get food and shop. not as much security there. that will probably change in the near future. it's tough to provide security everywhere. we've said many times that for a terrorist attack to be successful you have to hit a lot of target. where are people generating, these areas. >> they had an off-duty cop. they didn't have metal detectors. >> the interesting piece to me is the continued reconnaissance from multiple locations with his spouse. that's the interesting piece. again, conjecture, don't want to claim she knew nothing, but it seems strange that she's attending all these reconnaissance sessions with him and doesn't know what's going on. >> that's not the conversation
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you probably have with your wife or i have with my husband. >> no. >> sadly. >> and we know from his ex-wife there was a history of spousal abu abuse, as well. you have a lot of layers. >> thank you very much. we have a little bit of new information to pass along. donald trump just tweeting, "i will be meeting with the nra who has endorsed me about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list or the no-fly list to buy guns." i got to read this again, i'm reading this with you for the first time. put that back up, please. "i will be meeting with the nra who has endorsed me about not allowing people on the terror watch list or the no-fly list to buy guns." that's very something. jerry diamond is covering this for cnn. this is big. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. this is -- marks a major break with the majority of the republican party who have opposed -- these are calls coming from democrats mainly to keep people on the terrorist
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watch list or on the no-fly list from buying guns. democrats argue if you're not able to board a plane because of possible suspected ties to terrorists, for example, that you shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun. republicans have largely opposed that view. now we're seeing donald trump, who was just endorsed by the nra last month, making -- drawing a similar line. this is even a position supported by president obama who, of course, has had strong words for donald trump, and in the wake of the terrorist attack, donald trump criticized him very harshly. it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out particularly with republicans, conservatives, and even the libertarian wing of the republican party. a lot of those folks have argued that this possible ban on buying weapons for people on the terrorist watch list or no-fly lists would represent a major violation of constitutional rights particularly because these people have been perhaps
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suspected of possibly committing a future crime but have not necessarily been gone through the due process of law. and so civil libertarians have argued that removing the second amendment right for those people would be a violation of the constitution. that's the argument that donald trump is going to face, the opposition he'll face from within his own party after suggesting as we saw in his tweet that people on the no-fly list should not be allowed to have guns. >> it will be interesting to see how the nra reacts, too. will it withdraw donald trump -- its endorsement for donald trum trump? >> anything is certainly possible. donald trump is still a much more palatable for the nra than hillary clinton is. hillary clinton has of course called for additional gun restrictions on buying guns, you know background checks, for example. additional common sense gun
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legislation that she and president obama and members of the democratic party have argued. but certainly interesting, you know, that donald trump is going to be meeting with the nra to discuss this. clearly he's cognizant that this is something they have not supported. maybe he's trying to change that now. >> jeremy diamond. thank you very much. still to come, champions or hypocrites? why some lawmakers are getting grilled on their inconsistent records when it comes to gay rights. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain,
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in the aftermath of the horrific terror attack, some lawmakers are facing backlash over their inconsistent support for the lgbt community. on tuesday, cnn's anderson
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cooper talked with florida attorney general pam bondi. she's been promoting a hotline for families of victims. earlier she said recognizing same-sex marriage would "impose significant public harm." she was asked about that during anderson's interview. listen. >> let me tell you, when i was sworn in as attorney general, i put my hand on the bible and was spoern to uphold the -- sworn to uphold the constitution of the state of florida. that's not a law. that was voted into our state constitution by the voter of florida. that's what i was defending. i've never said i don't like gay people. i never said gay people could do harm to the people of florida -- >> you argued that in court. >> my lawyer argued a case defending what the supreme court allowed the voters to put in our state constitution. >> reporter: you were arguing if there was gay marriage, if there was same-sex marriage, that would do harm to the people of
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florida. it's -- >> that it was constitutional to put that in the constitution. >> reporter: are you saying you do not believe it would do harm to florida? >> of course not. of course afternoon -- no, i've never said that. those words have never come out of my mouth. >> reporter: that is specifically what you were arguing in court. >> no. no. we argued it was in the constitution of the state of florida. people now who are partners and aren't married officially aren't able to get information. we're trying to assist them -- >> reporter: isn't that a sick irony that you for years were fighting that very idea? >> i was defending the constitution of what over 6 9% of the voters put in the constitution. >> bondi isn't the only one facing backlash. tuesday, rick scott visited a lgbt church of a minister and
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presented a pleddal to one of the -- medal to one of the survivors. he contends that the lgbt community was targeted and many of the victims were gay. >> you voted for the gay marriage pan and signed a bill that would -- ban and signed a bill that would give power to those who are not. a lot of people in the community especially victims don't feel that's inclusive. >> my goal is to make the state as inclusive as i can. and i work with people all across the state to do that every day. >> and while bondi and scott got grilled on their gay rights records, this in the lgbt community like prominent gay republican chris baron are rallying around donald trump. >> donald trump is the most pro-gay republican nominee ever. for me, this is an lgbt issue.
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for me health care is an lgbt issue. for me, retirement security is an lgbt issue. jobs is an lgbt issue. all of those issues impact the lgbt community. i have no doubt that the donald trump presidency would be better for lgbt americans. >> donald trump seems to agree with mr. baron. the presumptive republican nominee tweeted this, "thank you to the lgbt community. i will fight for you while hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs." with me to talk about this is senator tammy baldwin. she represents the people of wisconsin. she's also the first openly gay member of the senate, and she is a democrat. thank you, senator, for being with me this morning. >> thank you, carol, for having me. >> first of all, your thoughts on all of what i just said. >> you know, i have -- first of all, this is a tragedy that is
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still unfolding. and i want to thank you for being in orlando and giving voice to those who are victims, those who perished, those who are injured, their families. this is an act of hate, an act of terror, and an act related to easy access to weapons of war. it is all of those things. we've got to recognize that. i do not want to get the stories -- i don't want to see the stories lost of those in the lgbt community who in the month that we celebrate pride in all of the -- and all of the freedoms that have been won over decades and decades we are so reminded with this tragedy that there is so far yet to go. >> sadly with so many issues in this country and so many tragedies, they've become politicized. and in this climate they become politicized so quickly. so you can see republicans
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rallying around this tragedy, rightly so, expressing their grief. supporting the gay community. then you have some democrats on the other side saying it's not real. in your mind, how would you characterize it? >> i feel like this is a moment where we have to pull together as a nation. we have to recognize that this is all of the issues that are being discussed combined. we had a u.s. citizen who was inspired by terrorists, who legally purchased a weapon of war and targeted his hate against the lgbt community. and we can't just silo these issues and keep on in partisan terms or other terms retreat to our silos, our camps. this is a moment that calls upon
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us to be unified, to act together. enough with the divisive language. enough with pitting a whole religion against -- calling out the muslim faith. we have to come together and unite. divided we will not be able to take action. united we can say that america is better than this. i am resolved to do everything i can to act. how many days do we have to wake up in america to news of a shooting, a mass shooting in an elementary school or a college campus? a theater, a nightclub, place of worship? enough is enough. now is the time to act and to do so together. >> yesterday you had donald trump coming out and reinstated his desire for a ban on all muslim coming into the united
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states. you had president obama come on later and sort of blast donald trump. hillary clinton piled on. is that unity? >> it's not unity, and this is a moment where we need to call out those who would divide us. it will make us much weaker in the world and as a nation. to call for a ban on muslim immigration when we're thinking about a person who is a u.s. citiz citizen, this is going to make us much weaker. we rely on our friends and neighbors in the muslim faith to cooperate with law enforcement, to help make us safer. we can't afford to divide and make muslim americans second-class citizens. that would be destructive to the goal of keeping us safer and to our national security.
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she glows colorful mystery and adventure she's a guide she's a route a story and a song she is this day she is this moment she is this place and she belongs to you only in minnesota and good morning, i'm carol costello live in orlando this morning. thank you very much for joining me. donald trump may be battling hillary clinton on the campaign trail, but she isn't the only one facing the fury of the presumptive republican nominee. mr. trump is also at odds with
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fellow republicans after renewing his call for a muslim ban. a headline declaring top republicans join obama in condemning trump's words. then there's trump's latest fight with members of the media, including the "washington post" added to news outlets that the trump campaign refuses to give credentials. cnn is covering all angles of this story. our senior political reporter is on capitol hill while our senior media correspondent is in new york. manu, i want to start with you. donald trump came out with a tweet that's frankly surprising saying that he's breaking with the nra, an organization that endorses him, and saying that, you know, he is open to not allowing people on the terror watch list to be able to buy handguns or guns in this country. >> reporter: very something, especially since republicans and democrats are battling on capitol hill on this issue right now. and republicans are going after this democratic bill offered by
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dianne feinstein of california, democrat, to allow the attorney general to deny folks to purchase firearms if they are on that terror washlist. they do not believe -- watch list. they do not believe the bill is fair because it could sweep in people who should not be on the watch list, unfairly. it will be something to see exactly what donald trump that's he support. is there a republican alternative bill on this issue that presumably he could get behind. we'll see what he has to say. it's another example of how divided republicans are with their presumptive nominee, how they don't sing from the same song sheet. when donald trump says something, his party recoils. the latest being that muslim ban. i spent a lot of time yesterday after talking to republicans about how the presumptive nominee reacted to the post orlando shooting and how he doubled down and tripled down on the push for banning muslims entering the country temporarily. there was a lot of pushback from
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members of congress. what do you think about the fact that your presumptive nominee is renewing a call on the ban on muslims? is it any better idea? >> i don't know that it's appropriate for any of the candidates to do what they're doing. >> i think it was taxy to call on that the day of the attack. i'm sure politics will always come into something like this. but let's give it a day or two on the front end of that. i don't think he deserves praise for it. >> i think it's unconstitutional and in many respects un-american statement to make. we don't ban an entire religious con distract from entering into the country. >> reporter: what's been remarkable is to see the division, how different thing are between the democrats and republicans. yesterday, obama coming out with hillary clinton side by side to bash donald trump. republican leaders not siding with donald trump, the presumptive nominee. almost abandoning him. both paul ryan, the house speaker, and mitch mcconnell, senate majority leader, would not defend donald trump's comments suggesting that president obama was somehow
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sympathetic to terrorists. and the perpetrator of the orlando incident. but some republicans did push back including lindsey graham, south carolina republican, speaking out strongly about the comments. >> beyond out of line. i have been all over president obama's failed policies when it comes to destroying and defeating and containing radical islam. i think his model of doing it is a complete failure, won't work. i've never doubted that he loves his country. i think he has a world view that i don't agree with in terms of how to deal with the radical islam. >> reporter: now the question is whether or not donald trump can get his party in line. he is coming to capitol hill to meet with house republicans in early july. we know he's got a work still to do to unite his party, carol? >> all right. reporting live from capitol hill this morning. now to brian stelzer's location
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and talking about mr. trump's comments about the media and pulling the "washington post" press credentials. you talked to donald trump this morning. what did he tell you, brian? >> reporter: that's right, donald trump on monday revoking the "washington post's" press redemocrats. he was complaining -- credentials. he was complaining about a headline on president obama's response to the attacks in orlando. donald trump has in this campaign, has repeatedly revoked or denied credentials to president clinton co-"the daily beast," biggest yet. he's been blunt about it. he's tweeting again about his disdain for the press. we can pout screen what he said most recently, and he said the press is so biased against him that he has no choice now take his message directly to the people. that's what he's writing this morning. let's look at what he said last night at his rally in north carolina. there was a lot of applause and cheering from supporters when he went after the "washington post." here's what he said last night -- >> these dishonest people in the back. in fact, we just took -- they
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are so dishonest. [ boos ] we just took -- they're so dishonest, we just took the press credentials away. i love it! we just took the press credentials away from the dishonest "washington post." i said -- [ cheers ] >> reporter: you hear the cheers there. i asked donald trump on the phone what does that the "post" have to do to get credentials back. he says, i just want to be treated fairly by the media. i think history shows that when he considers fairness is not oftentimes what journalists consider to be fair coverage. what happens if you are elected, mr. trump? will you deny press credentials to people in the white house press corps? it would be extraordinary to say. people kicked out of the white house press briefing room. he said no, he would not do that. the white house is very different. what he's doing now is at private events, his own rallies. and he pointed out that reporters can still attend as members of the public. that's what reporters from the
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"post" attended the rally as members of the general public. in some ways it's a helpful perspective to have. as much as the story is about trump and the man on stage, it's also about his supporters and what they cheer for at those rallies. >> so brian if he thinks the press is completely dishonest as he indicated in the rally, why not ban all reporters from his rallies? >> reporter: certainly he's leaving the door open to banning other news organizations. i mentioned half a dozen that he has restricted access from including univision and "the daily beast." but he knows he needs the press. when he called me after the rally, i was struck by the fact that he didn't seem to be in a hurry to get off the phone. i was ready to wrap up, he was ready to keep talking. he often calls in to cnn and other networks. >> brian, thank you very much. joining me, senior editor for "the atlantic" and cnn
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senior political analyst. hi, ron. let's start with mr. trump and the nra and his surprising tweet that he's open to not allowing people that terror watch list to purchase guns. what do you think of that? >> we'll see what ultimately comes of it. it is an indication of an the gentleman butte of trump -- an attribute of trump that's been a strength for him with republican leaders. he is not completely found ideological consistency on almost any issue. on the one hand, for most of this campaign he's been trumpeting his support of the second amendment, opposing any gun control, accusing hillary clinton, overstating hillary clinton and saying she want to confiscate people's guns and evis rate the second amendment. if he has decided this is ground that cannot be defended. he is willing to give it up. i think that kind of flexibility, that kind of not being part of the cannon and
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catechism of republican orthodoxy has been at times a strength for him. >> there was that bloomberg poll yesterday that showed hillary clinton had a 12-point lead over donald trump. might that have had something to do with it? >> this has been a catastrophic couple of weeks for donald trump. i think unprecedented in modern american politics in the breadth and depth of the credit sistine chapel he's facing from his own party as -- criticism he's facing from his own party as the republican nominee. the criticism he received -- >> we lost him. technical difficulties this morning. i apologize. thanks, ron brownstein, for your insight as usual. we'll have you back any time. ahead, all of disney world's resorts shutting down beaches after an alligator grabs a young boy. i'll talk to animal expert jeff corwin about that next.
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happens. is he right? >> he is absolutely 100% right. there are millions and millions of people in florida. millions of people visit disney world every year. and this has never happened there. it's a very rare event. human beings are not targeted by alligator in most normal situations. we're just not part of the food web for these animals. >> the little boy was a little bit in the water. he was wading in the shallow end and supposedly that alligator came out of the water and snatched him. what caused -- -- would cause an alligator to act this way? >> well, alligators are ambushed predators. they're active at night. and as we understand it, this occurred during the nighttime hours. they're nocturnal animals. and they will often ambush prey from the shoreline. in a central situation, an alligator would see a raccoon or bird near the water's edge and
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lunge forward very quickly. and they're able to be almost invisible when they're in the water. most of the water is concealed and submerged underneath it with only their eyes above the surface. they're hard to detect when they're in the water especially at night. >> it father of the little -- the father of the little boy went into the water and tried to wrestle the alligator to free his child. would that even be possible? >> i think he did what every father would do. i think that that fight complex went into gauge, and he went forward to do what he could. if you're dealing with a moderate to a large size alligator, it is almost impossible to use your hands to open up its jaws. we have a vice-like grip with thousands and thousands of pressure per square inch. he was really in a very tough situation. these are aquatic animals.
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you're in the alligator's world at that point when you go into the water. now in some situations, they can be startled or shocked to let the prey go. certainly that was not the case here. >> right now authorities are looking for the little boy. they're saying they're pulling alligators out of the lagoon, checking and euthanizing them. why is that necessary? >> i think they are -- our hopes of recovering this child and that is something that is done when we have this incredibly rare event where a human fatality happens with an alligator. they often try to remove what is often looked at as a human killer. i think that's where they are now. a lot of people ask why are there alligators in this fresh water manmade lagoon. what people have to remember is that this complex is surrounded by thousands of acres of wetland
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good morning, i'm carol costello live in orlando this morning. the attack here it orlando reigniting the debate over who can legally purchase guns. a new report found nine out of ten people on the terror watch list who wanted to purchase a gun were able to do so. that's something one gun shop manager i talked with finds
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upsetting. >> i'll be honest, yes, it. does if you're on a watch list where you can't even fly, you shouldn't be able to buy a firearm or any type of weapon for that matter. i believe that. >> joining me to talk about this is shannon roth, she's the founder of moms demand action for gun sense in america. welcome, shannon. >> thank you very much. >> can you hear me? okay. you know, donald trump came out with a tweet a short time ago saying that he's going to break with the nra and tell them that he would not allow people on the terror watch list or no-fly list to buy guns. your thoughts? >> that's great. i mean, we are looking for a bipartisan solution to this problem. the nra has stood in the way of passing legislation that would close what we call the terror gap. the reality that since 2004 more
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than 2,000 suspected terrorists have taken advantage of these incredibly lax laws. we don't want a red herring. we want a bill with teeth. we want a bill that will prevent suspected terrorists from purchasing guns. and hopefully that's the conversation donald trump will be having with the nra. >> as you know, most republicans would not back donald trump on this issue. and gun right owner say it's a constitutional issue. you have a constitutional right to own a gun. you don't have a constitutional right to get on board an airplane. so if you're on a terror watch list, you should be able to buy a gun. how would you respond to them? >> first of all, we know that responsible gun owners actually support things like closing the background check loophole and other common sense measures like preventing guns from being sold to suspected terrorists. so i would say that the majority of americans want this and that some members of congress have stood in the way because far too
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long they've beholden to the gun lobby. the gun lobby is worried about protecting the profits of gun manufactures. americans are worried about protecting the lives of their children, their families and communities. that is the sentiment that needs to win. congress needs to do its job. it needs to disarm hate. and it needs to act immediately to prevent another crime like this. >> i know we ask this question every time a tragedy happens like the tragedy in orlando. is this the turning point? >> i lope so. i hope that something is done -- something will be done eventually. we are winning in the states. we're winning in corporate boardrooms. it's time for us to pass some common sense legislation in congress. i'm the mom of a gay teen. i know that there's a lot of hate out there. there's no reason to arm hate. it is time to disarm hate. i would ask every american to
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text disarm hate to 64433 and join us. we put 13,000 calls in to congress yesterday. we signed 50,000 petitions in 24 hours. we want this changed. >> shannon watts, thank you very much for joining us this morning. thanks to all of you for joining me. i'm carol costello. more after the break. (war drums beating) fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums. they give awards for spelling but everyone knows cheese.s. cracker barrel has won awards for their delicious cheddar and they put that cheddar in a new macaroni & cheese. can you spell delicious? delicious. d. e. l...
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hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan in new york. >> i'm john berman live in orlando. breaking news taking place not far from where i'm standing right now at walt disney world. an alligator attacked a 2-year-old boy and dragged him into the water at a hotel beach. his father tried to pull him free, now no avail. a frantic search has been

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