leave, or do some of them get to stay? the answer, chris, still very unclear. >> there is no path to legalization. unless people leave the country -- well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> reporter: donald trump struggling to clarify his immigration stance, now telling cnn's anderson cooper he's ruling out a pathway to legal status for undocumented immigrants in the united states. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> reporter: this after indicating earlier this week that he was open to the idea. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty as such. there's no amnesty. but we work with them. >> reporter: trump sending mixed messages. >> there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are no longer going to be deported.

>> it's a hardening, actually. >> but 11 million who have not committed a crime with no path to legalization. is that right? >> you know it's a process. you can't 11 at one time and say, boom, you're gone. >> reporter: some trump supporters insisting their candidate cannot flip-flop on his central campaign issue, sarah palin warning in "the wall street journal," there would be massive disappointment if trump were to go down a path of wishy washy positions. his reversal also provoking criticism from former rivals. >> all the things that donald trump railed against he seems to be morphing into. it's kind of disturbing. >> thank you! >> reporter: this as hillary clinton launches a blistering takedown of trump. >> from the start, donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. he is taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. >> reporter: clinton accusing the trump campaign of merging

with the alt-right, a movement linked to white nationalists. >> a man with a long history of racial discrimination who traffics in dark conspiracy theories, drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far dark reaches of the internet should never run our government or command our military. >> reporter: trump defending his campaign, accusing democrats of what he calls their oldest play in their playbook. >> when democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument. you're racist. you're racist. you're racist. >> reporter: trump also disavowing support from hate groups. >> do you want white supremacists to vote for you? >> no, i don't, at all. >> reporter: and alisyn, trump says when it comes to the alt-right movement, he says

there's no alt-right, there's no alt left. he says what he's doing is embracing common sense. he said, quote, we are bringing love. as for trump's immigration policy going forward, the campaign will tell you that, look, he's been consistent all along. no path to citizenship, no amnesty. we're going to get specifics on his immigration plan next week when he presents that immigration policy speech in phoenix on wednesday. alisyn? >> yeah, specifics would be good, jason. thanks so much for all of that reporting. jason just gave you a small sample of trump's interview with anderson cooper. there's much more. trump trying to explain he's actually hardening his position on immigration. the republican presidential nominee recalibrating yet again. >> we're going to end sanctuary cities. we're going to run a country like it's supposed to be run. we're going to have borders, very strong borders. and after that, we're going to

see what happens, but we are going to find people and we're getting immediately -- and i mean first hour of my -- the first document i will sign will say get the bad ones out of this country. bring them back where they came from. >> you know i got to follow up. you said on hannity, you used the word softening. even last night you talked about -- >> i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are no longer going to be deported. >> i've heard people say it's a hardening actually. >> but 11 million who have not committed crime, there's going to be a path to legalization, is that right? >> you know it's a process. you can't take 11 at one time and say, boom, you're gone. we have to find where these people are. most people don't know where they are. nobody knows if it's 11. it could be 30 and it could be 5. let me explain. >> will they be deported? >> we know the bad ones. we know where they are, who they are. we know the drug cartel people. we know the gangs and the heads of the gangs and the gang members. those people are gone. that's a huge number. >> but that's jeb bush's policy.

>> i don't know anything about jeb bush. he wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. i'm not knocking jeb bush, but i was with him for a long time. >> but he was mocked for saying that, look, you can't deport 11 million people. it now seems like -- i know you're not focusing on -- >> first i want to see what's going to happen. we're going to deport many people, many, many people. >> the vast majority of those are not criminals. >> we don't know that. we're going to find out who they are. we have crime all over this country. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? i'm talking about citizenship. >> no, there's no path to legalization. >> you talk about paying taxes on hannity. >> unless people leave the country -- well, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> so they still have to leave the country. >> there is no path to legalization until thless they the country and come back. >> that means of the 11 million who are here, even if they haven't committed a crime. >> you keep saying 11 million. you don't know what the number is. >> well, however many. that's the estimate.

>> and using the existing laws of our country, millions of people are deported year. you know that right. people don't talk about that. but you have a lot of people being deported. we're going to do that vigorously. we're going to go with the laws that are existing. but we're going to have have a very strong border, and we're not going to have people pouring back in. when these drug lords and others are thrown out, they're not coming back. >> so if you haven't committed a crime and you've been here for 5 years and have a family, a job, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens when we strengthen up our border. we're going to have a strong border, as strong as any border there is in the world. we're going to have a real wall. we're going to have tremendous protection, both technological protection and everything else. then we're going to see what happens. but there's a very good chance the answer could be yes. but there's no legalization. there's no amnesty. if somebody wants to go the legalization route, what they'll do is go leave the country,

hopefully come back in, and then we can talk. >> all right. let's bring in our panel. cnn chief political correspondent dana bash, cnn political director david chalian, and "new york times" political correspondent patrick healy. dana, we're searching. that's what's going on in the trump campaign. >> we or he? >> that's what i'm saying. by we, it's the royal we. he is trying to find a way to approach this group that we hear about more and more, the demographic described as college educated whites, who are put off by his harsh rhetoric, but he doesn't seem to have found it. >> no, not at all. what he did by the end of the interview with anderson was go back to the plan that he had at the beginning of the primaries. i mean, his rhetoric is very different, which matters when he's trying to go after that demographic, but when it comes to the policy, which we're never really specific on, but as much

as we could get through the primary season, it was get everybody out and let the good ones back in. that's what he said to anderson last night. just depends on how that happens and how that works. we still don't really know that yet. to your point, he doesn't really know that yet. >> that's the issue, patrick, that he keeps saying, well, after we strengthen the border, then we'll figure it out. we don't know. so we'll figure it out later. is that good enough for someone running for president? >> no, i mean, i think it plays into a lot of what his supporters have seen for a while, which is we don't know who these people are. we don't know where they're coming from. we don't know what their papers are saying. we don't know if they're committing crimes in this country. i think the government has a very good sense of this, but what donald trump has been doing for a long time is trying to sort of delegitimize what the obama administration has said about undocumented people in this country, sort of create the sense that obama and hillary clinton, it's all chaos with

their immigration policy. people swarming around, coming over the borders, we don't know what they're up to. this plays very much to his base. the bigger question is, does he have any capacity to grow with this message, with the sort of college educated, undecided, white voters who -- you know, he's just presenting so many different facets of a possible policy and hasn't settled on one. >> so david, the risk of alienating the base. i think the safest suggestion is it's almost impossible for trump to do that. his supporters are so all in with him. to the extent they could be shaken, this is the issue that could do it because he shooed away the rest of the field by any suggestion other than complete hardline dismissal of anybody who's in this country under any illegal premise. that's how he distinguished himself. jeb bush obviously not too happy to hear about this shift. let's play his sound.

first his campaign came out with a response. now he did. here it is. >> i don't know what to believe about a guy who doesn't believe in things. i mean, he doesn't -- this is all a game. he doesn't -- his views will change based on the feedback he gets from a crowd or, you know, what he thinks he has to do. life is too complex. for me, i couldn't do that. i have to believe what i believe, and if it's popular, great, if it's not, i try to get better at presenting my views. but shifting my views because it's political to do it, that's what politicians do in this country. that's what trump is trying to do right now. i find it abhorrent. >> so changing policies, okay. changing principle could be a problem. could it even be a problem with trump supporters? >> i don't know the answer to that. i don't think any of us do. you are right to note his supporters are some of the most loyal, dedicated supporters aif ever seen in politics. so i think it's going to take a

lot to strip some of those supporters away. you are correct, though, chris. this was the entire underpinning of his candidacy. this was his actual entree into the position he was able to find in the primary season. obviously much of what he was able to do throughout the primary season was through personality. you could go to trump rallies and hear people say, yeah, i don't mind that policy or that's not important. he's going to tell it like it is. so there's something beyond his policy positions. but you are right. this was the way he was able to differentiate himself from the rest of the field in a really important way to get an opening. then through all of his support was able to drive through that opening. now, the question is, does that opening all the sudden close in some way? i don't know. i think it is tough. again, remember, we're in this binary choice now.

that's also going to be reason for some of the supporters to stay with him, if indeed he's trying to move a bit on this issue. >> the point that jeb bush made there, which was clearly very intentional, he's just acting like a politician. beyond the policies, beyond the fervent support for him because of the issue of immigration, the fervent support was, and we saw it at every rally we went to, we see it in the numbers and the fact he's the nominee, he's not like them. he's going to go and disrupt. he's going to go and break up the rigged system. >> no compromise. >> no compromise. and by pushing the fact that he's not that guy, he is just acting like a politician, which let's face it, he is. this is what you do. this is the traditional trajectory when you move to the center, when you go to the general election. >> you're moving into a general election. from his point of view, as long as he keeps saying i'm against amnesty, as long as he keeps sort of using these buzz words that mollify, placate his far

right supporters, he feels like, okay, maybe there's some area to move. >> but if you're letting 11 million undocumented immigrants stay here and work, isn't that amnesty? >> right now it sounds like somehow all of these people, whether it's mitt romney's self-deportation view or some kind of enforcement, all these people are going to leave and then get this chance to move back. it's the softening is getting away from the deportation force, but somehow all of these people are going to go away and then get lured back to donald trump's america by being offered a chance to pay back taxes. >> or the status quo is going to remain. if they don't want legalization, it sounded to me like in the interview, then the status quo remains. the status quo on both sides, both parties have been saying what we have now is untenable

and is a problem that needs to be addressed. yet, he seems to be saying that somehow if you're undocumented here and you don't want to seek legalization, you stay here if you're a good one, but you're still undocumented. that doesn't seem like a tenable position either. >> just quickly, for those who do really care about this issue and they are single-issue voters, and there are a lot of them in his base, they get what amnesty is. you already saw on social media people saying, i don't care if he says it's not amnesty, it's amnesty. >> it's certainly what he was calling amnesty when attacking other candidates. for that red meat group, he's given them something else. he's called hillary clinton a bigot. >> we'll talk about that later. up next, more of our interview with donald trump. he's digging in on claims that hillary clinton is a bigot. these racially charged accusations are flying from both campaigns. we'll look at them next.

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little confusing. donald trump is trying to appeal to a demographic that's often referred to as college educated whites. the belief is that this demographic was disproportionately troubled by trump's harsh words on immigration and others. so he changes his immigration stance but then arguably erases his chances with that group by calling hillary clinton a bigot. he says he's just returning fire from clinton. here he is trying to justify the attack in an interview with anderson cooper. >> you called last night hillary clinton a bigot. previously you called her policies bigoted. you've directly called her a bigot. >> she is a bigot. you look at what's happening to the inner cities. look at what's happening to african-americans and hispanics in this country. she's talking, look at the vets, where she said the vets are being treated essentially just fine, that it's overexaggerated. >> how is she bigoted? bigoted is having hatred toward

a group. >> because she's not doing anything for those communities. >> you're saying she has hatred or doesn't like black people. >> her policies are bigoted because she knows they're not going to work. >> you're saying she's personally bigoted. >> of course she is. her policies, she comes out with the policies, and others that believe like she does also. but she came out with policies over the years. this is over the years, long time. she's totally bigoted. there's no question about it. >> but it doesn't imply she has antipathy or hatred toward, in this case, african-americans. >> i think she has been extremely, extremely bad for african-americans. i think she's been extremely bad for hispanics. you look at what's happened with her policies and the policies of president obama and others, look at the poverty, look at the rise in poverty, look at the rise in violence. >> but hatred is at the core of that? >> or maybe she's lazy. i don't know what it is. all i can tell you is i've been hearing the same stuff from her and others for years. and the inner cities today are

worse than they ever have been. >> have you always thought she was bigoted? >> honestly, i never thought of it. as a business person, i never thought of it. i got along with all politicians. >> but she has a history of working with african-americans. >> but not doing the job. i'm now bringing it out for the first time. she hasn't done the job. >> what hillary clinton is now coming at you with, i talked to her last night, she said you are bringing hate mainstream by embracing the so-called alt-right movement, that you're peddling bigotry, prejudice, and paranoia. >> first of all, we're bringing love. you see these rooms. they're packed with people that have been just left behind. i call it the forgotten man and woman. they've been left behind by people like her who are third-rate politicians who talk and don't produce. you look at our inner cities, they're a disaster. the african-american people are realizing that the democrats who have run these inner cities for 75 years and a hundred years, they just left them. >> are you embracing the

alt-right movement? >> nobody even knows what it is. she didn't know what it was. this was a term given. frankly, there's no alt-right or alt-left. >> steve bannon did say broo breitbart is part of the alt-right movement. >> i don't know what steve said. you see crowds. these are people that have not been heard for many years. now they've been heard, first time in many, many decades. in fact, people say the first time, period. >> let's bring back our panel to discuss all of this. dana, this shows what a wild card donald trump is. >> because we needed proof. >> finally, we have the evidence of him being a wild card. none of her previous opponents ever thought to attack her on race relations, on something that hillary clinton did wrong for the poor, the underserved because, you know, she starting from the beginning of her career

worked with the children's defense funds. this is one of her calling cards he's now going after. >> the only reason he's doing this is because it dove tails with broader theme he's been trying to push on the campaign trail for the past week and a half or so, which is he's actually going to be the one who's going to be best for minorities and that it's his policies that will be better and that democrats have been taking minorities for granted and so on and so forth. the wait donald trump operates, and we've seen this for over a year, is he takes that policy and then he takes it a step further and goes personally after his opponent and tries to poke holes in his opponent's not just record but sort of now it's character traits on that issue. i'm motte sure that's going to fly. >> the campaign will say, you see, he says one little thing and you guys take it out of context and ignore policy. that's their comeback when you point out what he says. calling her a bigot has to be

counterproductive for him. he has a case to make that life in the big cities is wholly unacceptable and there have been democrats in leadership for decades. it's true. it's a real argument to make. they'll push back. they have different rationales. then saying bigot should dominate the discussion. it makes sense it hurts him. >> but here's the thing, chris. this is a very deliberate choice. now that kellyanne conway and this new team is in place, all of donald trump's remarks at these rallies are scripted. they're choosing the words. they chose to move on from she's making bigoted policies to she is a bigot. >> i said, wasn't that in the prompter when he said bigoted? she said, he says what he's going to say. i went back and looked. he's looking at the teleprompter. >> and it was in his prepared remarks. using that word bigot is not for the college educated, undecided whites. it is for the base to energize

and electrify the base by calling hincall ing hillary clinton a word that a lot of conservatives feel applies to democrats who just want black votes. they're not willing to make any real policies that empower or uplift african-americans from their point of view. this is just about votes. it's giving the base that word in order for him to create space with all these other sort of other voters in the center on immigration. >> david, also, it's because she's calling him that. not in so many words, but hillary clinton in reno has started talking about his history of racism, as she sees it. so he's trying to sort of pre-empt that term and use it on her. here's what hillary clinton said about trump in reno. >> from the start, donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. a man with a long history of racial discrimination who traffics in dark conspiracy

theories, drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far dark reaches of the internet should never run our government or command our military. >> david, we're struck that even her tone was so different there. it was very measured. it was a somber tone. she wasn't rallying the crowd. what did you think of that speech? >> i agree with your assessment of her tone. i think she was clearly trying to raise the stakes in this election and continue to prosecute this argument that he's disqualified from being president. so first she spent a lot of time in august, alisyn, talking about his temperament and not the right temperament to have the nuclear codes at arm's reach. now she's making the argument that he embraces something so far outside of the mainstream of american politics that he should not be in this position of authority and power.

so she will continue to prosecute the argument from now to november that he is not qualified for the office, and we'll see different slices of it. i think you're right to note her tone because she clearly was also inviting some moderate republicans. i don't think this was just a base speech. i think this was trying to also talk to the middle, some folks that may tend to vote republican, saying this is not your typical republican and here's why you should reject it. that is an argument we'll probably see from hillary clinton time and again from now through november. >> but it's not just a speech note. it's now a focus of their ads as well. here's her latest copy on it. >> the reason a lot of klan members like donald trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in. donald trump will be best for the job. >> for president? >> yeah. >> now, he said in a quick interview yesterday with

somebody, the reporter said to him, do you want white supremacists or nationalists to vote for you? he said absolutely not. what's the net effect on an ad like that? >> to david's point, i think one of the most interesting and resonating lines that she said yesterday, hillary clinton, was the fringe has taken over the republican party. that's it. that's it. if you are a republican out there who just kind of votes republican but is more moderate in some of your views and you see donald trump and you hear things like this and you're thinking, i'm not really sure about him and you do have the seed planted in your head he's really not one of me, he is taking over the republican party, maybe i have a protest vote and i vote for either hillary clinton or somebody else to kind of get past this election and reset. i mean, that's what this is about. i'm just not convinced at all that hillary clinton is the

right messenger for this. she did what she needed to do, which is give the speech as a candidate. you elevate the conversation. we're talking about it because she gave the speech. but again, if i'm that republican, if i'm unclear about this, it's because i probably can't stand hillary clinton and i'm not going to listen to her. >> she doesn't need all these republicans to come over and vote for her. she just needs them to not vote, to say when they go in the ballot box and see donald trump's name and her name, they just feel he is ultimately unacceptable. talking to voters in recent reporting trips in allentown, pennsylvania, doylestown, the suburbs, they're people who have said they just feel he's just a little bit racist, a little too offensive. if she can just keep undermining that, she doesn't need to win them over into her column. just get them uncomfortable. >> great point. panel, thank you very much. all right. we want to give you a ryan lochte update. ryan lochte thought an apology

might be enough, but apparently it was not. there's new fallout for the american olympian who admits, quote, overexaggerating, the story about being robbed at gunpoint in rio. we have all the latest details next.

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breaking overnight, a vehicle rigged with explosives blowing up at a police check point in southeastern turkey. 11 people were killed, some 70 more were wounded. there's been no official claim of responsibility. state-run media is blaming the militant kurdish workers party, known as the pkk. it's notable that the attack happened two days after turkey launched an incursion against isis and kurdish militia fighters in syria. turkish tanks crossed the border into syria on wednesday, continuing their advance. the death toll from central italy's devastating earthquake now at 267 people. the hard-hit town of amatrice still getting hammered with aftershocks as rescue workers continue to look for survivors. there was some encouraging news. this 8-year-old girl whose rescue was caught on camera, she has undergone surgery, and she is doing well.

sadly, italian media reports that her 10-year-old sister was killed. ryan lochte now facing charges in brazil over his claim that he was robbed during the rio olympics. but the olympic gold medalist probably won't see the inside of a courtroom. coy wire has more in this morning's bleacher report. tell us about it, coy turned lawyer. >> all right, cuomo. lochte charged by police in brazil with falsely reporting a crime. he will be summoned to brazil to answer questions about that gas station incident, but lochte doesn't have to be present. a lawyer can go represent him instead. if convicted, he could face between one to six months in jail, or the judge could simply order him to pay a fine instead. you'd think that would be the case. remember, lochte's teammate jimmy feigen was ordered to pay almost 11 grand to a charity there in rio just to get his passport back. lochte's attorney told cnn sports that he hasn't heard from anyone in brazil about it, but listen to this. lochte, the 12-time olympic medalist, just picked up a new

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war zones do tend to attract all sorts of people, each with their different motivations. the war against isis is no exception. on the kurdish peshmerga front lines, we found two americans trying to help out the best that they can. it's early morning and the kurdish peshmerga are launching a major push into isis-controlled villages. >> we're looking for a place to set up our medical triage. >> we've had five dead, ten wounded. >> reporter: they are two americans on the medical front line. [ speaking foreign language ] >> we have two casualties! let's treat them appropriately. black box! >> reporter: it's a chaotic, frantic effort on this day, compound by a language barrier, different culture, and significant lack of resources.

>> i need more plastic. [ bleep ] plastic. >> reporter: john is a trained emergency medical technician from syracuse, new york, and is volunteering. pete is a former marine turned medic who works with a nonprofit providing medical training and assistance. there is no advanced warning when a casualty is coming in. no time to prep before the next one arrives. >> the toughest thing about being out here as a combat medic is when your patients don't live. >> come on, man. stay with us. come back to us, man. come on. >> sometimes, you know, we can't fix everything. so i think that's the hardest part for me personally. you want to save everybody, but you can't. >> there's a break down in communication between us, coalition forces, peshmerga. it's difficult when you're trying your best to work on someone, but the rest of the system isn't there. or it's not working properly. >> reporter: they both say they

had comfortable, happy lives at home. >> was it guilt? >> guilt or sense of purpose. sometimes those overlap. somewhere in the middle. >> i can help people at home for sure, and i do. i feel good for what i do there, but here that feeling is much greater. the peshmerga need significant help. they need training. they need an actual combat medical unit. people are throwing ammunition and guns at this place all day long. that's not saving lives. >> when i think of isis, i think of the nazis. there are very few times in history there's such a plaque and white, good versus evil situation. they've been carrying this war and this region on their backs with not nearly enough support. people back home are upset about shootings and things like that.

isis is involved there. they don't have a clue what it's like a day here or a day in baghdad or syria. it's pretty horrible. >> reporter: and given just how devastating the tragedies in the region have been, they say that they both felt a fundamental obligation to try to come out and help whichever way they can because, as we have heard time and time again from different individuals, trying to fight isis isn't just about trying to control isis within the middle east. what happens here has an impact around the world. >> all right, arwa. thank you very much for the report. amazing reality up close for you to see. the presidential candidates in no uncertain terms are tearing each other down. donald trump and hik are locked in a debate over the politics of race. who is the bigger bigot? we're going to debate the use of

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race moving to the forefront of this presidential election, but not necessarily in a positive way. hillary clinton delivering a pointed assessment of donald trump as an enabler of a radical fringe, a charge trump is countering by doubling down and calling clinton a bigot. here's what trump told anderson cooper. >> you call last night hillary clinton a bigot. previously you called her policies bigoted. you directly called her a bigot. >> she is a bigot. you look at what's happening to the inner cities. look at what's happening to african-americans and hispanics in this country. she's talking, look at the vets, where she said the vets are being treated essentially just fine, that it's overexaggerated. >> how is she bigoted? bigoted is having hatred toward a group. >> because she's not doing anything for those communities. >> you're saying she has hatred or doesn't like black people. >> her policies are bigoted because she knows they're not

going to work. >> all right. let's discuss with charles blow and paris denard. paris, let's start with you. why do you like what you're hearing from donald trump, assuming you do? >> well, what i like about what donald trump is doing and saying is that he is highlighting the issues of the black community that needs to be address. he's also pointing out the fact that for many generations of people who have been living in our communities, we have been ill served by the democrats who have been in leadership roles, and when you look at the economy, joblessness, unemployment, education, and crime across these major urban cities, the black community is suffering and it's about time that somebody call them out. i'm glad it's donald trump. i believe that his message is going to resonate and continue to resonate with our community because we are suffering not just under the rule of the democrats but also we've taken a downfall under this obama administration. it's unfortunate. >> charles, is that the complete argument? >> i mean, i don't know what this argument is about.

it's kind of a deflection to me. donald trump is trying to move the discussion away from him. there's an anti-trump argument that i am laser focused on. donald trump is uniquely unqualified to be president of the united states, not simply because of his lack of knowledge, but also because of his temperament, because of his character, because of the things he has said out of his own mouth. it's really hard to get anybody to say somebody is bigoted or racist or whatever because you don't know -- >> hold on, paris. one at a time. >> go ahead, charles. the grown-ups are thinking. >> watch it, charles. >> let's not bait each other. make the point. >> but what he's trying to do is move it off of him, right. he has said this out of his own mouth. we're not putting these things into his mouth. the anti-muslim sentiments, the

anti-immigrant sentiments, the anti-black sentiments. we're not doing that to him. he has done that to himself. the misogyny and sexism, he has said those things out of his own mouth. the bullying, the ablism. he has done that. so there's a part -- we can't have these fake debates about whether or not we should shift to a partisan discussion or a party discussion or an ideology discussion and away from this man. it's him. >> all right. so paris, the criticism is that donald trump is not a proper messenger to be talking about what's going on within african-american communities that are impoverished because of what he has said about those communities and what he hasn't said in the past. do you accept that? of course not, why not? >> i don't because i don't feel that hillary clinton is a proper messenger for talking about or doing anything about the black community based simply on the fact she has not done what she

claims to have done. look, the things that she has said that have come out of her mouth, talking about super predators as it relates to the black community or black men, as it relates to the crime bill, which put thousands of black men in prison, which she supported. when it comes to the racial overtures that she said about president obama in 2008, which people were highly critical of, and so did her husband. when you look at who is qualified to talk about the black community, i don't care if you're black, if you're white, if you're mexican, if you're chinese. if you have a message and you have a sincerity about the community and you want to raise these issues, you have qualifications because you care. >> are they both disqualified then? i understand why you think trump is disqualified. is paris compelling to you at all about why clinton is also unqualified? >> unqualified to do what? what's the question here? >> to discuss these types of issues, that it's just as

disingenuous coming from clinton as it is from trump. >> this is what you have to do, i believe. you have to make some sort of amends. i've written quite a bit about this super predator issue. i've written a ridiculous amount about the industrial prison complex. and i have needed her to make amends on those issues. and to the degree she has at least recognized there's a problem there and try to do something about it and talk directly to the issue and say, okay, this is where i might have been wrong on this, and i'm going to try to come around on it. what donald trump refuses to do is even recognize he was ever wrong. you can take out -- >> not true. >> -- a full-page ad in multiple new york city newspapers calling for the death of teenagers in the central park five case, but even when those citizens are i

have k-- vacated and the city reaches a settlement, you still cannot bring yourself to say that maybe you may have gotten this wrong. maybe you should back off a little bit. he was still being incendiary about that. and at what point is he ever going to apologize for the birtherism of president obama? i think a lot of people just can't get that bad taste out of their mouth because that is -- that was so directly a race issue. that was so directly an othering cause around president obama. >> it's a constitutional issue. >> who is this? do you want him to talk or do you want me to talk? >> i want you both to talk. >> then tell him when i'm talking, he doesn't talk. >> that is a point that came out in the early phases of that, was he constitutionally qualified. once it seemed to be satisfied by the president, that's when it seemed to slip into what we now call birtherism, which is where they just kept on it for certainly bad reasons. >> him in particular.

>> yes. he certainly was one of the fathers of it. >> he was the poster boy for that movement. and for a lot of people, that's huge. >> and he doesn't want to talk about that anymore. that says something in and of itself. paris, let me ask you something before i have to end this segment. it seems you're ignoring a very long history of hillary clinton with respect to work within the african-american community, whether it's what she did with marion wright edelman or did on her own down in arkansas with her husband trying to fight for civil rights and equal access to legal services and financial and educational services for backs or what she did as first lady or what she did in the senate. why do you ignore the record? >> i don't ignore the record, but what i do highlight is is the fact that i believe hillary clinton is engaged in voter suppression as it relates to the black community because she understands that in order for her to win, she has to characterize donald trump as a racist, a bigot, as a misogynist

and all these things that he's not in order to make sure that white people and people who are progressives and young minorities who are not 100% on board with her message who don't trust her, who don't feel she's honest, will not go to the message of donald trump. because let me tell you, i talk to people in my community all the time. yesterday i was talking to a young woman who said she's an independent who wants to vote for donald trump if he gives her a reason because she doesn't trust anything that comes out of hillary clinton's mouth. >> quick final word from you, charles. there's somewhat of a generational divide when it comes to experience with the clintons within the african-american community. bill clinton won 75% of the vote, was beloved by the community voting-wise. hillary clinton, to many, was introduced through her campaign with president obama, then-senator obama. it was a different impression. what's your final word on this? >> listen, this is why people have a problem with us in media. to let somebody like this come on and say what hillary clinton is doing is suppressing the white vote by pointing out what

donald trump has said in his life. that's just patently false, ridiculous. the most ridiculous thing i've heard all morning, probably all week, maybe this whole election. when you have actual voter suppression happening against black people after the gutting of the voter rights act and you have somebody, this guy -- i don't even know who this guy is, saying they're suppressing the white vote by pointing out this man is a bigot. this is what people look at and say this is media malpractice. we let that slide. and that is what media malpractice looks like. >> we let you slide by calling out false allegations by people. >> this guy should not be allowed to come on television and say -- >> you need to watch how you talk about somebody who's qualified to have this podium. >> i'm not picking today to let that start happening. not today, not tomorrow. that doesn't slide. >> understand. that's why you're here, charles.

so we can represent these different perspectives on it. paris, thank you for being here. charles, as always. appreciate it. there's a lot of news on the election. there's also updates from around the world. so let's get right to it. we know who trump is. a few words on a teleprompter won't change that. >> i want to get rid of the bad ones. there are a lot of them. there is no path to legalization. >> there has been a steady stream of bigotry coming from him. >> her policies are bigoted because she knows they're not going to work. >> donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. >> to hillary clinton, i want you to remember these three words. shame on you. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> all right. round two. good morning. welcome to your "new day." donald trump shifting on immigration again. trump working to clarify his position, it seems.

how millions of undocumented immigrants would fare under administration. it's not amnesty, but maybe not all have to leave, maybe they'll be work with. we saw the next version of this in a big cnn interview. he actually says he's not softening now, he says he's hardening. >> well, hillary clinton is hitting back hard against trump, slamming him for his ties to the alt-right and what she says is the emerging racist ideology. meanwhile, trump is digging in on his claim that clinton is a bigot. our coverage begins with cnn's jason carroll live in manchester, new hampshire. gives all the latest, jason. >> reporter: well, look, clearly a lot of name calling that's going back and forth. a couple of things. a couple things that donald trump supporters like about him, alisyn, as you know, first that he's plain spoken, he says what he means, but even now some of his supporters tell me they, too, are confused by exactly where he stands when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration. >> there is no path to legalization.

unless people leave the country -- well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> reporter: donald trump struggling to clarify his immigration stance, now telling cnn's anderson cooper he's ruling out a pathway to legal status for undocumented immigrants in the united states. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> reporter: this after indicating earlier this week that he was open to the idea. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty as such. there's no amnesty. but we work with them. >> reporter: trump sending mixed messages. >> there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are no longer going to be deported. >> it's a hardening, actually. >> but 11 million who have not committed a crime with no path to legalization. is that right?

>> you know it's a process. you can't 11 at one time and say, boom, you're gone. >> reporter: some trump supporters insisting their candidate cannot flip-flop on his central campaign issue, sarah palin warning in "the wall street journal," there would be massive disappointment if trump were to go down a path of wishy washy positions. his reversal also provoking criticism from former rivals. >> all the things that donald trump railed against he seems to be morphing into. it's kind of disturbing. >> thank you! >> reporter: this as hillary clinton launches a blistering takedown of trump. >> from the start, donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. he is taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. >> reporter: clinton accusing the trump campaign of merging with the alt-right, a movement linked to white nationalists. >> a man with a long history of racial discrimination who

traffics in dark conspiracy theories, drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far dark reaches of the internet should never run our government or command our military. >> reporter: trump defending his campaign, accusing democrats of what he calls their oldest play in their playbook. >> when democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument. you're racist. you're racist. you're racist. >> reporter: trump also disavowing support from hate groups. >> do you want white supremacists to vote for you? >> no, i don't, at all. >> reporter: and trump says there is no alt-right, there is no alt-left. he says his campaign is all about embracing common sense. he also says the vast majority of his supporters are not racist. when it comes to immigration,

the campaign says that trump has been consistent in one area. he's always said all along, no path to citizenship, no amnesty going forward. he will be delivering his speech on his economic plans. that's going to be coming next wednesday in phoenix. chris? >> all right, jason. thank you very much. we just gave you a quick look at trump's interview with our anderson cooper. there is much more. one part, trump openly acknowledging in his own words that he's actually hardening his position on immigration. the republican presidential nominee recalibrating to be sure, once again. >> we're going to end sanctuary cities. we're going to run a country like it's supposed to be run. we're going to have borders, very strong borders. and after that, we're going to see what happens, but we are going to find people and we're getting immediately -- and i mean first hour of my -- the first document i will sign will say get the bad ones out of this

country. bring them back where they came from. >> you know i got to follow up. you said on hannity, you used the word softening. even last night you talked about -- >> i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are no longer going to be deported. >> i've heard people say it's a hardening actually. >> but 11 million who have not committed crime, there's going to be a path to legalization, is that right? >> you know it's a process. you can't take 11 at one time and say, boom, you're gone. we have to find where these people are. most people don't know where they are. nobody knows if it's 11. it could be 30 and it could be 5. let me explain. >> will they be deported? >> we know the bad ones. we know where they are, who they are. we know the drug cartel people. we know the gangs and the heads of the gangs and the gang members. those people are gone. that's a huge number. >> but that's jeb bush's policy. >> i don't know anything about jeb bush.

he wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. i'm not knocking jeb bush, but i was with him for a long time. >> but he was mocked for saying that, look, you can't deport 11 million people. it now seems like -- i know you're not focusing on -- >> first i want to see what's going to happen. we're going to deport many people, many, many people. >> the vast majority of those are not criminals. >> we don't know that. we're going to find out who they are. we have crime all over this country. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? i'm talking about citizenship. >> no, there's no path to legalization. >> you talk about paying taxes on hannity. >> unless people leave the country -- well, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> so they still have to leave the country. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> that means of the 11 million who are here, even if they haven't committed a crime. >> you keep saying 11 million. you don't know what the number is. >> well, however many. that's the estimate. >> and using the existing laws of our country, millions of people are deported year. you know that right. people don't talk about that.

but you have a lot of people being deported. we're going to do that vigorously. we're going to go with the laws that are existing. but we're going to have have a very strong border, and we're not going to have people pouring back in. when these drug lords and others are thrown out, they're not coming back. >> so if you haven't committed a crime and you've been here for 5 years and have a family, a job, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens when we strengthen up our border. we're going to have a strong border, as strong as any border there is in the world. we're going to have a real wall. we're going to have tremendous protection, both technological protection and everything else. then we're going to see what happens. but there's a very good chance the answer could be yes. but there's no legalization. there's no amnesty. if somebody wants to go the legalization route, what they'll do is go leave the country, hopefully come back in, and then we can talk. >> all right. we have a lot to talk about. so let's bring in trump campaign

senior adviser and republican strategist boris epstein, and cnn political commentator and democratic strategist paul begala. he's a senior adviser for a p - pro-clinton super pac. fwlags congratulations on becoming senior adviser to the trump campaign. it's great to have you here this morning because perhaps you can explain to us what exactly is donald trump's deportation plan? >> well, he explained it yesterday to anderson cooper. he was very clear. once he becomes president, the illegal immigrants who are criminals will be deported. >> only the criminals? >> that's exactly what he said. he's been consistent on that for months. once that's done, he'll work within the laws that are on the books now with additional laws and the constitution and do it humanely and make sure we deal with the rest of the illegal immigrants humanely. >> got it. so just a second. the criminals are already being deported. >> 300,000 have not been under

barack obama. >> where are you getting that number? >> that's through our research. we have terrible crimes like the murder in san francisco. >> look, obviously there are always these incidents that are horrible and tragic. however, the laws on the books are that if you commit a crime here, you go back to your home country. hold on. one more thing, boris. during the primary, i can see you getting ready to interrupt, during the primary donald trump said repeatedly every one of them, all of them. so that is a change from what he said. >> here are some of the other points, the key points. ending sanctuary cities, making sure e-verified is in place. the media compares donald trump to donald trump. we should be giving the voters a binary choice. hillary clinton want to increase syrian refugees. we should be giving the binavota

binary choice. hillary clinton wants to swing the borders wide open. >> paul? >> he's running a single-issue campaign on something he knows nothing about. i think an intelligent person changes positions when the facts change. the facts haven't changed. donald trump began his campaign with a racist announcement speech where he said mexican immigrants were rapists. now he's trying to say, well, basically, i have barack obama's position. president obama has deported more undocumented folks in american history. he's got more police on the border. by the way, net migration is to mexico, not to america. mr. trump's wall will only slow down their departure. and mine. if he wins, i'm going to be on a beach in puerto vallarta. >> the wall and making sure illegal immigrants don't stay in this country are two separate

issues. in 2008, hillary clinton said there should be a barrier between mexico and the united states. the wall is there to make sure illegal immigrants do not continue to come into this country and terrorists. >> yes, we're more interested in what appears to be an evolution. >> why are you so interested? >> because when politicians say something different than what they staked their campaign on, we need to point it out. >> so let's talk about what hillary clinton has said about her e-mails. >> at the moment, boris, we're talking about deportation. i see you're trying to change the subject because it is a little confusing. just to be clear, so now not all of them have to leave. now the good ones can stay. >> within about a week, there's going to be a detailed speech on immigration policy. it's not the only thing we're running on. first of all, the speech when he announced was not racist. he's saying folks who come in here illegally commit crimes. that's a fact. two, he's running on the issues of economy, national security. this is a multi-issue campaign

that's appealing to all americans. >> okay. do you have anything to say, paul, before i move on? >> i actually want to ask boris, are you going to let him debate hillary? i'm not kidding. i said this last night, if i were his adviser, i wouldn't. she's going to kill him. >> if it were up to me, i would do it tomorrow. >> you're committing he's going to show up at those debates? >> we're going to be at the debates. she hasn't had a press conference in 265 days. all her spokespeople are so off their game. she's off her game. >> well, she did give a big speech, as we know, in reno, nevada, yesterday. the issue of racism has become central in this campaign on both sides. hillary clinton gave a speech about it, what she calls donald trump's prejudice and relying on conspiracy theories. she's also put out a new campaign ad about this. let's watch a moment of this. >> the reason a lot of klan

members like donald trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in. donald trump will be best for the job. >> for president? >> yeah. >> i am farmer and white national, support donald trump. >> gutter politics at its absolute worst. hillary clinton has no basis for this. the clintons have a long history of racism of their own. talking about barack obama carrying their bags. the racial tensions of the 2008 campaign, the super predator talks. if i were the clintons, i wouldn't be putting things like that out there based on their history. >> paul, your response? >> who told trump to call hillary clinton a bigot? was that a planned thing? was that him freelancing? was it in a prepared text? >> does it matter? that's what he said. >> well, that's a good point. i think he just freelances and you can't control him because he's a really eccentric figure. >> it's about the candidate running the campaign. >> so he believes hillary clinton is a bigot? >> hillary clinton will say

anything to get votes. >> no, no, she won't. she won't say mexicans are rapists. she won't say the president of the united states was not born -- is not an american citizen. she will not say a judge, an honorable federal judge in san diego is somehow not qualified -- >> but i want to talk about -- >> paul ryan said -- >> but i want to talk about -- [ overlapping speaking ] >> this has been looked at time and again. maybe there was a clinton supporter somewhere, but she did not condone it. >> he was working with hillary. >> let's move on. i want to talk about this becoming -- how politically each side is using racism. so hillary clinton in her speech, her reno speech, she brought up republicans. she talked about how previous republicans did it differently. listen to this. >> the week after 9/11, george

w. bush went to a mosque and declared for everyone to hear that muslims love america just as much as i do. in 2008, john mccain told his own supporters that they were wrong about the man he was trying to defeat. senator mccain made sure they knew barack obama, he said, is an american citizen and a decent person. we need that kind of leadership again. >> paul, that's a curious turn. why bring up these two gop leaders that don't support her? >> well, because more and more republicans are coming to support hillary. in the last quinnipiac poll, she had 6% of the republican vote. not much. same that barack obama had winning re-election. in yesterday's quinnipiac poll, it's gone from 6 to 12. why? college educated white folks, who are republicans, right. that's like the definition of a republican. are fleeing from trump. in that same poll, 59% of all

americans, 59%, say that trump traffics in bigotry. it's 58 among college educated white folks. this is a catastrophe. this is why he's projecting. you know the psychological phenomenon projection. you take what you know about yourself and you project it. >> hillary clinton lost in '08 because of this kind of hubris. >> it is true that 59% think he's a bigot. >> we're tied. look at florida, we're up. >> all is well in trump land. >> if you go all over the country, the polls are tightening. we'll be absolutely fine. what hillary clinton is doing, she's distracting the horrible week she's having. the e-mails, the foundation, and everything else. she shouldn't even be running for president. she should be defending herself against an indictment. >> paul, boris, thank you for the debate. >> see you at the debate. >> see you later. >> heard it here, chris. >> robust. hillary clinton and donald trump, you just heard it,

accusing the other of playing racial politics. accusing the other of being a bigot. are these attacks doing anything to sway minority voters? a member of the congressional black caucus offers his take next. ♪

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well, race has its place in the election now to be sure. you have donald trump and hillary clinton fighting about who is really the bigot.

you have clinton swiping at trump, painting him as a man of history with discrimination, trump fighting back with insults, including outright calling clinton a bigot. is this helpful on any level? let's bring in new york congressman hakeem jeffries. he's the congressional black caucus whip and a clinton supporter. good to see you. >> good morning. >> i know the answer to these questions. everybody does who's rational. this is terrible. it couldn't be more counterproductive. the question is, how can this in any way become something that is helpful to improving the situations in certain big city impoverished communities? >> i think hillary clinton consistently would like to keep the campaign focused on issues of empowerment for all americans, including the african-american community and other communities of color. but time and time again, what we found is that donald trump has sort of outsourced parts of his campaign to white supremacist groups. he did that in the primary in very clear fashion, and he's continued that pattern in the general election. >> in fairness --

>> we can't ignore that. there's something we hear, congressman, in this election, i think especially so, which is one side does something that deserves to be criticized, and what they do is they deflect by saying, yeah, but what about this thing -- we're seeing that right now. hillary clinton is beating donald trump with a big stick of being racist in his thoughts, racist in his politics. she spent a lot of time doing it. this ad with this white national, the hooded fool they have in that ad, she's doing the exact same thing. she's not talking policy. she's going at him personally and saying that what he does is bigoted. that's not productive. that's not policy. fair point? >> actually, no, i think what she's doing, chris, is she's connecting many of the policies that he's peddling to the fact that he has a history of engaging in racially provocative things going all the way back to his time as president of a real estate company where they were sued for houses discrimination, settled as a result of what was

clearly a racist practice of labeling blacks and latinos with a "c" and then denying them access to apartments, continuing all the way through to what he did with the central park five case where you have five individuals, four of whom were african-american, one of whom was latino, wrongfully -- >> sentences were vacated. he put out a big ad about them and didn't apologize afterwards. >> if it was up to him, chris, these individuals would be on death row right now. you can't ignore that history. of course with barack obama and what was done in terms of challenging his citizenship of the first black president. so you have a history and a context here that has to be folded into some of the policies that he's peddling. >> what i'm saying is, you work in the community so actively all the time. you're trying to be positive. you're trying to create policies that change some of these, what seem to be, hardened realities in small and big cities of poverty realities. i can't believe that an african-american voter, hearing what's going on from hillary clinton or donald trump, is

motivated to vote. >> i think there's going to be a lot of motivation for african-americans and others to vote because the stakes are so high. >> who's the bigger bigot? how does that make a black man or woman want to come out and vote? >> i think it was irresponsible for donald trump to accuse hillary clinton of being a bigot, notwithstanding -- >> but she says what he says is bigoted, racist. right or wrong, that level of dialogue, how is that productive? >> let's also put in the context of what happens in terms of what started this discussion. donald trump made a very provocative speech in front of a 95% white community allegedly to african-americans labeling our community largely as impoverished crime-ridden -- >> that you get shot when you walk down the street. >> that is not the experience of the overwhelming majority of african-americans who live both in inner city communities and the suburbs and throughout rural america, particularly in the deep south. so that is what jump started this conversation as it relates to, well, who has the debt erbe policies. i agree with you that ultimately

the american people deserve a discussion of how do we deal with poverty, for instance, both in the inner city, communities that i represent, but the overwhelming majority of persistently poor counties in this country are actually represented by republicans who are white because they -- >> deep south. >> appalachia and rural america. >> i understand the facts. i'm not disputing them in this instance. you know, what i hear from a lot of the clinton surrogates is, why are you holding her to this higher standarden th than you h him? that's the basis of your campaign. you're saying he's unfit. she's fit, knows how to lead. why match tactics with him in this way? why go back and forth? why not just hammer the policies and trust in the voters, especially african-american voters, to see through the bs of playing color politics. >> i think it was necessary for her to lay out the case in a clear, dispassionate fashion, which is what she did yesterday without a lot of pomp and

circumstance. it was factually based, went through his history, and some of the things he's trafficked in on the question of race during this campaign. i think what you'll continue to see her do moving forward is lay out the policies for dealing with the conditions that the african-american community faces and beyond because she has said consistently, it's not just a slogan. it's what she believes, that we are stronger together as americans than we are apart. >> i got stopped walking on the street. just quickly respond to this. reverend stops me here in manhattan and says the brothers and sisters are not going to come out if this continues. he just kept walking. do you think there's a concern that this type of rhetoric will stifle that vote, keep it home because it just doesn't seem there's anything out there for them? >> i think americans generally are put off by the negativity that has increasingly dominated politics over the last several decades. i think that turnout will suffer in a highly negative campaign and people in both sides of the

ideological divide. but stakes are so high in this particular election that i think it's incumbent upon everyone to exercise their democratic right. pay attention to what hillary clinton is saying from a policy perspective and then draw your conclusion. >> congressman, thank you for being on "new day." appreciate it. >> as you've just been discu discussing, race is now a key issue in the presidential race. so which candidate stands to benefit more? kirsten powers weighs in next. . get back to great. sixteen gig lexar flash drives just three ninety-nine. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.

donald trump and hillary clinton intensifying their attacks on each other, using the terms racism and bigot. >> she is a bigot because you look at what's happening to the inner cities, you look at what's happening to african-americans and hispanics in this country where she talks all the time -- she's talking, look at the vets, where she said the vets are being treated essentially just fine, that it's overexaggerated what's happening. >> but how is she bigoted? it's having hatred. >> she's throwing them down the tubes because she's not doing anything for those communities. >> let's bring in cnn political analyst and "usa today"

columnist kirsten powers. great to see you. there are often racial undertones in any presidential campaign, but now it is overt. it is front and center as of basically yesterday. both of them leveling these charges at each other. what do you think of donald trump's strategy of flipping the script and using the term bigot against hillary clinton after she had used it on him? >> yeah, i think he's overplaying his hand a little bit here because there are a lot of things you could say about hillary clinton. i don't think a lot of people think she's a bigot. it seems like what they would be focusing on are the things people already think. we know what that is, that she's not trustworthy. they should be hammering her on that issue, but not trying to sell people on some new issue, which is that she's a bigot. i just don't think anyone believes that. this is something that's going to gin up his base. it's not going to bring in any new voters. >> do you think it's incumbent upon her to have to defend herself? does she have to remind people of her record? because shehe's now planted thi seed, does it behoove her to

talk about what she tried to do as a senator, or should she just let it go? >> look, she can talk about that. she has talked about it. i seriously doubt that this is something that's going to stick to her. i think that her speech was a very smart tactic, the speech she gave, tying him to the alt-right, which is the far right conservative sort of white supremacist movement. it's basically -- what she's trying to do is make it absolutely a nonstarter for any sort of white suburban voter who's thinking about voting for him to make it just a social stigma basically, to say this is just not somebody you can vote for because he's associated with people you don't want to be associated with. >> to that point, she has released a new campaign ad that's just out. let's watch a piece of this. >> the reason a lot of klan members like donald trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in. donald trump will be best for the job. >> for president? >> yeah. >> i am farmer and white nationalist, support donald

trump. >> is this fair? is donald trump responsible for the repugnant people who may or may not support him? >> so here's the thing. most people who support donald trump are not white supremacists, but it is true that on white supremacist sites, they are overwhelmingly donald trump supporters. and he hasn't done anything to distance himself from them. >> well, he has said i disavow david duke. >> well, david duke, but he hasn't disavowed these alt-right people. there are these white supremacist websites. they have spent a lot of time attacking ju ining journalists. he was asked specifically about attacks made on some journalists at "the new york times" and another journalist. he basically said, i don't have a message for my fans. so he's saying these people are his fans. he's acknowledging that. these people making anti-semitic attacks, and he's not willing to say anything critical. and let's remember steve bannon, who he just hired to run his

campaign, is someone who said breitbart, which he ran, is an alt-right website. >> i think donald trump would say he welcomes right-wing support from the much more despicable, repugnant white supremacis supremacists. i think in the past 24 hours, when asked, he has said, though i don't have it here an i wish i did, that he doesn't need white supremacist support. you want him to say it more vocally. >> that's the first time i've heard him say anything remotely to suggest he doesn't want their support. the other thing is, one of the journalists who was attacked, when melania was asked about it, basically suggested she had invited it on herself. we're talking about people sending pictures of her with her face put on concentration camp victims. these are really despicable, sickening images. they refuse to condemn them. >> we have that sound now of donald trump denouncing it. let's listen to this. >> she's trying to turn this around on you now, saying you're bringing a hate movement mainstream. do you want white supremacists

to vote for you? >> no, i don't at all. not at all. and i will tell you this is not about hate. this is about love. we love our country. we want our country to come back. we want our country to be strong again. >> what do you think of that response? >> it's a good response. it's a new response. i suspect kellyanne conway is behind it. this has not been the tone he's used. so in the past when he's been asked, he's not offered those kind of condemnations. >> let's talk about kellyanne conway. she is well respected. she's a political hand that's been around for a long time. and she is the first female campaign manager for a gop nominee. do you think those things will help sway female voters? >> she has her work cut out for her. let's put it that way. let's start with the fact that it's already difficult for a republican to win women voters. they overwhelmingly lean democratic. they vote for democrats. we already are seeing the gender gap. the last time a republican won women was the first george bush. he won them by one point. it's been a long time since

republicans have won women voters. so let's just start there. then we know that donald trump has a very high disapproval rating among women, somewhere between 60% and 70%. i don't know what kellyanne can do in this short time to change that. especially like i said, when you look at the speech that hillary clinton is giving and this attack she's making on him. i think that's something that's going to resonate with women voters as well. so you have the first woman candidate running against somebody who is largely seen by women as being pretty macho, pretty chauvinistic. she's going to have to somehow turn that around. i don't know how she does it. >> kirsten powers, always great to get your analysis here on "new day." thanks so much. let's get to chris. >> kellyanne and the campaign embracing a lot of what trump continues to do. part of that is this shift on immigration. there's no question he's been putting out mixed messages about this. the question is why. what is the plan to expand the base? former presidential candidate

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if you haven't committed a crime and you've been here for 15 years and you have a family here, you have a job here, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens once we strengthen up our border, but there's a very good chance the answer could be yes, we're going to see what happens. before i do anything, i want to get rid of the bad ones, and there are a lot of them. >> in the primary, donald trump would have called that answer weak, not energetic. but now he's saying, look, i'm not supporting a path to legalization for any immigrant here illegally unless they leave the country first, and i will

work with people who are here illegally. certainly it's a shift on the stance. the question is why, what could this do, how can this be seen as a positive. let's discuss with somebody who understands the issues very well. the chairman and editor in chief of forbes media, former republican presidential candidate, endorsing donald trump, steve forbes. pleasure to have you here. >> good to see you, chris. >> as always. there is no real good use of time in debating whether or not there is a shift. the question is, why shift and what you belief the positive impact can be. what's your take? >> well, what he's trying to do is give doubters out there to say i can take a chance on this guy. he's not going to send people in boxcars. he's not an extremist. we don't want another term of barack obama and hillary clinton. economy is not doing well. the world is falling apart. so we can take a chance on him. if it doesn't work, we can throw hum o him out. that's what we can do. pivot back to third term.

>> so if steve forbes were running against him, and frankly the guys he ran against in the primary, if he -- you know, if they were against him now, they'd say, are you kidding me? you're the guy who said put them in boxcars. you're the guy who says i'm going to put in a force to round them up and get rid of them. it's how he distinguished himself. he tooted it like a trumpet every time. now this. why take a chance on someone who you don't know which position he's going to take? >> well, this is where he's got to really pivot to the economy, especially on the issue of taxes. >> but steve, hold on. you can't pivot away -- this has to be dealt with on its own, not by talking about something else. >> but the whole thing on the immigration thing, first of all, even though he said he was going to deport 11 million, i and others said it's never going to happen. >> but he said it and meant it. anyone who doesn't adprgree is weak. >> and they didn't find a way to counter it. they shrunk away from the issue. that's the whole thing on the 16 versus him. they let him define the terms of

debate. and they never took him on. so he won. he won the nomination. the thing is now on immigration, i don't think even his hard core supporters like steve king in iowa really thought he was going to deport 11 million. he was making a statement. we're going to be tough. we're not going top amnesty cities. we are going to beef up the border patrols. we're going to cut down on people coming into this country. people here in this country just are sick and tired of the feeling that everything is falling out of control. >> but what what they don't like -- >> and with the immigration issue, he said we're going to enforce the law. we're going to get people who feel powerless in control again. and you're going to have a better economic future. >> right, but the first part of that -- and we will shift to the economy. but the first part of that, it was i'm not like everybody else. i'm donald trump. i'm no politician. i'll never change. this is who i am. now he's doing just that. jeb bush came out this morning. we don't have to spend the time listening to him, but he said --

not that it's a waste of time. just in the conservation of time, he said, i find what he's doing abhorrent, he's being a politician just like every other politician would, he's shifting when it's convenient. fair criticism? >> i suppose trump knew he was going to be criticized on that. some of us would say he's showing growth. so it depends. >> nice to have friends. >> yeah. but the key thing is, he wants to show doubters he's not going to be crazy next to the nuclear button. that's what she's trying to do, say this guy doesn't have the temperament for the office. >> and the gamble is will they see the inconsistency as an unfitness as well. we'll see how it plays out. on the economy -- >> growth, growth. >> it's growth versus inconsistency. we'll see. so "the wall street journal" comes out with a piece where they poll these white house economists. even the republican ones. not one of over a dozen said that they're for trump's plan or for him personally.

is that relevant? >> well, it's relevant about what the economic professionals descended into. there's also a piece about the federal reserve. this is a guy very close to the federal reserve. they've made massive mistakes. their whole model of the economy, the whole economic model of the economy is wrong. the idea you can manipulate interest rates and control -- >> but for those who don't know, they operate separate from the executive. it's not like the president tells them what to do. >> well, i think you're going to see a major change in the federal reserve. it should be an issue because they've made major, major mistakes, especially access of credit to small and new businesses, which have been starved for credit, one reason why we've had these poor labor markets. so these economists who have this distorted view of the economy, who believe that raising taxes and government spending stimulates the economy -- >> these are republicans. >> yes, but they take a static view. they assume when they say, oh, we'll have these big deficits. they assume when you lower tax rates and simplify the tax code,

you don't get much feed back. we've been fighting these people. we call them, among my people, root canal conservatives. >> but trump did not adopt the forbes tax model in his plan. that's why a lot of economists who are forbesian, to coin a term, say we don't like it, that he's going to -- he may lose us jobs, how many, we don't know, but most people put the estimate over a million. and that it's going to hurt the tax structure of the country, not help, because it's not forbesian enough. so why are you behind it? >> well, halfway is better than no way. what she wants to do in terms of raising the capital gains tax, take it back to where it was in the 1970s, which destroyed the whole venture capital industry. we didn't have it in the '70s. 45% capital gains tax rate is absurd. she wants to have a soda tax. she wants to have a stock transaction tax. she wants income tax raises. these will slam the economy. so compared to hers, he's sterling. >> a lot of economists rate hers better than his in terms of what

it would do for job development. >> and look at the last 15 years, disaster. see what the whole approach has given us. that's why we need a new approach. in terms of economists, you have a dozen, i can find a dozen. i've worked on the trump plan. i think there's a lot of good there in it, reducing tax rates, simplifying it. i'd like a flat tax. but this is better than what we have now, far better. >> a little question for you at home. who was the president who said, what i want is an economist with one hand so he can't say on the other hand. >> harry truman. >> there it is. steve forbes, thank you very much. always appreciate your perspective. alisyn? >> okay, chris. as you know in the olympics, there's basketball's dream team, there's gymnastics' final five, and of course u.s. rowing's elite eight. they came up gold in rio. these women are so powerful that just five of them add up to eight. we'll explain next. of famer jet and my life is basketball. but that doesn't stop my afib from leaving me at a higher risk of stroke.

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the u.s. swimmers were not the only ones making a splash. the u.s. rowing team brought home the third consecutive olympic gold medal, they have not lost since 2006.

>> amazing. we have five members of the phenomenal team with us now. we've got katelin snyder, amanda elmore, and emily regan. thank you for representing the country. >> thank you. >> so well. what do you think, now, let me ask you something, caitlyn, were you the -- >> i was. >> i don't know how i knew that. what made this crew special? >> oh, my gosh. there are a lot of things. i think the biggest is the amount of trust that we had in each other, and i don't think there was ever any moment in practice or in the race where i doubted anybody in the boat. their effort or their focus, and so we were just able to go to the line, just kind of let everything go and put complete faith in the boat and rith rhythm, it was awesome. >> you weren't in the winning position the whole time. you were in third for some of it, right? >> yeah, i mean, we got through

halfway point at the 1,000 meter mark and caitlyn said we were a few down on canada. i looked over at that point and that was the only time i looked over. >> are you supposed to look over? >> no, you're not supposed to. >> sometimes it's hard not to. even though we're down, i never thought we would lose. i knew it would be hard. we went really hard and pulled ahead. >> it was amazing. i remember the feeling also, and typically you would think, now, we weren't used to being down, especially by the 1,000, but there was no doubt or no feeling of wavering, like we don't have this. there was just calm, almost confident. very electric feeling. you could feel, like as soon as kaitlin made another call. >> speed up! >> i want to win, i want to win! >> what did she say? >> i mean, the calm, i think most of us remember at this

point about just after halfway point was we are the u.s. women's 8, or i think the next stroke was just probably a little sloppy, just power, yeah. >> so we're probably ahead of the audience. give us a set up of who is in the boat, where is the coxyn, and everybody else is done by number. let us know what the boat is? >> so when we're in the boat, we have the bow and stern and for people who don't know -- >> the front and back. >> yeah, so the bow is the part that leaves the boat and moving forward first and the stern is the back of the boat. so caitlyn sits in the stern and i actually sat in the bow so i was the first one to cross the finish line. >> so secretari technically you? >> yeah, so going by the boat, we call it spousy, one through eight, and kaitlin is the ninth.

each person has a different role, but everything comes together to make it work. so amanda elmore was the stroke s , and we're like a freight train going down the course. the person that follows her was el logan and she has been in the boat for all three olympic gold medals, and she backs up the rhythm and in the middle is the powerhouse. >> like the dance at the parties. set a pace and you back up the rhythm so people can still dance. >> yeah, we understand. >> so you can ignore me and go with the back-up, everything is okay. >> now i understand. thank you. >> so everybody is helping set up the rhythm, especially they lead the starboard. in the middle of the boat, so that's four, five, six, three, four, five and six, i know what

i'm talking about, i swear. they're the powerhouse, and they're like really so strong, and they just kind of power the boat down the course. and then in the bow pair, where kerry and i sat, we helped set up the boat and help also kind of try and keep the rhythm. the middle four -- >> it is a team effort basically. >> you try to find the best line-up to make the boat move the fastest. >> it worked beautifully. so kaitlin, when you said this is the u.s. women's 8. >> just so you know, she said it with conviction. >> why was that just such a call to arm as soon as. >> as i said before, we have so much trust and faith in each other. it was just i think a little of a reminder that the race is bigger than us as individuals. >> it is a storied team. >> it is a storied team, a storied boat, and like we're

doing it for the girl in front of you, the girl behind you, and the girls in princeton, not even in rio. it is something that makes us greater than some of our parts that we really do believe that rowing and especially being in the eight is more than just you as an individual. >> that's beautiful. well, it is so great to meet you guys. thank you for the win. congratulations on all of it. >> thank you. >> just a wonderful thing for team usa. >> happy to represent. all right, we're following a lot of news in the 2016 race for the white house. let's get to it. >> she lies. she paints decent americans, you, as racists. >> trump is trying to rebrand himself, but don't be fooled. >> we're going to deport many people. many, many people. >> his real message seems to be make america hate again. >> i don't think it is a softening. it is a hardening. >> a man with a long history of racial discrimination should

never run our government or command our military. >> ryan lochte, hoped an apology would be enough. it was not. >> ryan lochte, now facing charges in brazil. >> if convicted, he could face between one to six months in jail. >>announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. good morning, it is august 26th, 8:00 in the east. donald trump delivering mixed messages, republican candidate shifting yet again, telling cnn has he hardened his stance on undocumented immigrants, just one day after he said he was softening. >> what's the net effect. it is all insults, all the time, literally. you have two candidates for president painting who is really a bigot. who wins, how do you not lose in all of this? let's go first to jason carroll, in manchester, new hampshire. good morning, my friend. >> reporter: good morning, chris. it may be clear where donald trump stands on the issue of

race, but his critics say not so much where he stands on the issue of illegal immigration. he tried to clear that up when he spoke to anderson cooper last night. >> there is no path to legalization. >> you're talking about -- >> the less people leave the country, when they come back, if they come back in, they can start paying taxes. >> donald trump struggling to clarify his immigration stance, now telling cnn's anderson cooper, he is ruling out a pathway to legal status for undocumented immigrants in the united states. >> there is no path unless they come back. >> reporter: this, after indicating he was open to the idea. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there is no amnesty as such. there is no amnesty. but we work with them. >> reporter: trump, sending mixed messages. >> there certainly can be a softening, because we're not

looking to hurt people. >> i don't think it is a softening -- >> but 11 million people will be -- >> i think it is a a hardening actually. >> but 11 million who haven't committed a crime, have a path to legalization. >> you know it is a process, you can't take 11 million at one time and say boom, you're gone. >> reporter: some insisting the candidate cannot flip-flop on his main issue. sarah palin, saying there would be massive disappointment if trump would go down a path of wishy-washy positions. also provoking criticism from former rivals. >> all the things he railed against, he seems to be morphing into. >> from the start, donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. he is taking hate groups mainstream. and helping a radical fringe

take over the republican party. >> reporter: clinton, accusing the trump campaign of merging with the alt-right, a movement linked to white nationalists. >> a man with a long history of racial discrimination who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of super market tabloids and the far dark reaches of the inter t internet, should never run our government or command our military. >> reporter: trump defending his campaign, accusing democrats of what he calls their oldest play in their playbook. >> when democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument. you're racist. >> reporter: trump disavowing support from hate groups. >> do you want white sup

supermecists to vote for you? >> no, not at all. >> reporter: he says there is no alt-right or alt-left. he also says his campaign is one about love. love of country. chris. >> all right, jason, thank you very much. let's bring in steve king, he has endorsed donald trump, cares deeply about immigration, hard liner. good to have you on "new day" as always. i see you are seated this morning. is that because trump knocked you off your feet by shifting on this issue? >> i'm just reclining on my couch this morning and deliberating on the things that have unfolded over the last couple of days on this topic, chris. i'm happy to be on this morning on "new day." >> give us some clarity. what is the concern from hard line conservatives like yourself. this was the defining issue. he beat ted cruz, who you supported before trump, over the head with this issue.

rubio, bush. he beat them as weak, saying that you must get rid of all of 11 million. i will do that. i will face this monster. i will put together a task force. and now he says we'll work with them. does it concern you? >> well, when i first heard this, when he said there certainly could be a softening, that was a shift in a direction that concerned me. there was some language that i know indicated even more strongly when he indicated that there might be some people that would be allowed to stay. but as i heard the interview with anderson cooper that came on a little bit ago, he said there wouldn't be a legalization. i'm happy to hear that. my concern is the tone, but the very base of donald trump, the core of his base are the people that say we must restore the respect for the rule of law and force and secure our borders, and donald trump has pounded that drum for a year and a half. and so i'm starting to see him restore that foundation again. i'm glad to hear that. i want to help him reenforce

that position. >> i definitely heard him say softening, and then he said no, i'm hardening. when he talks about the specifics in any way, he seems to be stuck in the middle. let's play a little sound and get your reaction. >> if you hadn't committed a crime and you've been here for 15 years and you have family here, you have job here, will you be deporting? >> we're going to see what happens once we strengthen up the border. there is a good chance the answer could be yes. we'll see what happens. i want to get rid of the bad one, and there are a lot of them. >> everybody wants to get rid of the criminals here illegally. that's never been a subject of much dispute. the "see what happens" that's not the steve king position. >> well, it is not, certainly not exactly the steve king position, but i would say this. those who are here illegally, those illegal immigrants, those who cross the border illegally, committed the crime, they are crimina

criminals. it is a crime to unlawfully enter america. there is another 40% that overstayed their visa. but any of them that worked in america, odds are they committed document fraud, stole somebody or borrowed or bought somebody else's identity, those are crimes too. that universe of people who have been here for a long time that haven't committed a crime otherwise law biding, there isn't much of that universe. >> the way you define it, if you come here and are documented, you are de facto illegal and the entire population would have to go, and that's your position, he seems to be moving off of. that's a political concern. let's talk policy for a second, congressman. why isn't his position now the better one? everybody wants to be more reasonable on this issue, as you start to get towards the top of the parties. you haven't been. you've wanted to be more hard line. are you reconsidering that, now that you see your nominee reconsidering it, and maybe you should be more open to being more humane, as some would

something and dealing with people undocumented. >> i'm not changing my position. in fact, i'll push back on this if there happens to be an effort to try to reward people for breaking the law. i don't think my position is hard line. i think it is prudent. it is prudent to insist on enforcing the law and applying the law. we cannot restore the respect for the rule of law, which is the center of the immigration position, the importance of this. we can't do that if we reward lawbreak lawbreaker. so that principle, my heart is soft, i feel compassion for them, if you do that, you're eroding the rule of law. let's stick with the principle. i think also, though, that as we go down through this, we enforce the law, we remove the people that are the worst ones, and that will keep us busy for a long time and as we work our way through this, there will be people lost in the shadows, as others say, years down the road, and it doesn't trouble me if they live in the shadows and we don't find them, if they're not

running contrary to the law. that's what they came here to do apparently was to live in the shadows. that's out on the distance, perhaps in a second trump term, not in the first one. >> as you studied this issue, i would assume many people are coming here because they want jobs and a better life, not to live in the shadows. they're forced to liver in the shadows because of the way the system plays. you used the word prudent and imprudent. one could argue that trump's move on this issue is not prudent politically but practically, you can't roundup 11 million people. should be looking to invite people who want to share in the american dream, a way to come in. maybe not as citizens, because they entered illegally, but get the tax role, in many cases people don't pay in, because people of your political disposition don't want to make any allowances for them. trump is saying get them paying tax, get them integrated into the system. work with them. will you consider those options?

>> i won't consider legalizing people who are here illegally. there is nothing that prevents them from going home and applying to come back into the united states legally. that's what trump is saying. but i'm not going to be supporting the legalization of people that are here unlawfully, because that is amnesty. and to grant amnesty is to -- >> he says it is not amnesty. he says no amnesty, but they should be paying taxes. we will work with them. but it is not amnesty. so maybe you have disagreement with him on the definition of amnesty. >> well, i have. if that's his definition of amnesty, and karl rove and i have had this disagreement since 2004. i said to him then and i continue to say you cannot redefine amnesty to accommodate for amnesty. you must stick with the definition of amnesty that is legitimate, and ha that is that can't pardon immigration

lawbreakers. if their objective is to live in peace, that's a reward. if we do that, we've granted amnesty. it was a mistake for ronald reagan in 1986. we've been looking to restore the rule of law. ever since then, we've lost a lot of ground in the barack obama administration. we must restore is in the next administration. we can respect the dignity of every human person and i believe in doing that. but and people come here to this country illegally, they expect to live in the shadows, and we should enforce our immigration law. when people violate laws in the streets of america, whatever the reason that we encounter them, we need it apply the law. if we never encounter them, then chances are, that's the filter that allows for law-abiding people to continue beyond here in america. >> it will be interesting -- >> but not with a legal status. >> it will be interesting if donald trump -- >> it will be interesting.

>> if donald trump continues to suggest that he'll work with people here illegally, get them on tax rolls, whether you'll continue to endorse him, because that will certainly not be your position. but steve king, thank you for weighing in early on here. we'll follow it together. >> thank you, chris. appreciate it. >> be well. >> alisyn. now to the latest on the earthquake in italy. the death toll has jumped to 267 people. the hard hit town of amicira, has rescue crews continue to search for survivors. there was this glimmer of good news right here. this 8-year-old girl whose rescue was caught on camera. she has undergone surgery, and she is reportedly doing well. sadly, italian media reports that her 10-year-old sister was killed. a man is in police custody after breaching security at a nebraska airport. he stole a truck on the runway, then rammed the truck into a

southwest plane, loading for takeoff. they said crews suffered minor injuries and the plane was taken out of rotation for inspection. no word yet on the obvious question. why did he do this. >> well, authorities in rio, charging ryan lochte, the embattled u.s. swimmer with filing a false robbery report. police say lochte made up the story about being held at gun point after he allegedly vandalized a gas station bathroom. lochte is back in the u.s., has apologized for quote, over-exaggerating. late night laughs, jimmy fallon posing as donald trump in a duet with barbara streisand. which one out did the other? take a look for yourself. i'm laughing because i already saw it. >> ladies and gentlemen, here to perform a special duet, please welcome barbara streisand and donald trump. ♪ everything i can do, i can do better ♪ ♪ no you can't

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trump moving on a signature issue? to appeal to a demographic often referred to as college educated whites. why? they are assumed to have been troubled by his harsh words about immigrants and others. so changing the stance may expand his appeal. but does he erase any chance of progress by calling clinton a bigot. here he is trying to justify the attack in an interview with anderson cooper. >> you call last night hillary clinton a bigot.

previously you called her policies bigoted. you directly called her a bigot. >> she is, you look at what is happening at the inner city, to the african-american, and the hispanics, look at the vets, where she said they'll being treated just fine. it is over-exaggerated. >> how is she bigoted? >> she is selling them down the tubes. because she is not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >> so you you're saying she has hatred or -- >> her policies are bigoted, because she knows they're not going to work. >> you're saying she is personally big gotted. >> of course she is. they are her policies. others that believe like she does also. but she came out with policies over the years. this is over the years. long time. she is totally bigoted. no question about it. >> loshe has hatred towards -- >> i think she has been extremely, extremely bad for

african-americans. i think she has been extremely bad for hispanics. you look at what has happened with her policies, and the policies of president obama and others. look at the poverty. look at the rise in poverty. look at the rise in violence. >> hatred is at the core. >> or maybe she is lazy. i don't know what it is. i've been hearing the same thing from her and others for years. the inner cities have always been -- >> have you always thought she was bigoted. >> as a businessman, i got along with all politicians. i'm now bringing it out for the first time. she hasn't done the job. >> so hillary clinton is coming at you with, she called into my show. she said that you are bringing hate mainstream by embracing the so-called alt-right movement, pedaling prejudice.

>> we're bringing love. these rooms are packed with people left behind, the forgotten men and women. they've been left behind by people like her, third rate politicians who talk and don't produce. look at the inner cities. they are a disaster, the african-american people are realizing the democrats who have run these inner cities for 75 years, 100 years, they've left them. >> are you part of the alt-right movement. >> nobody even knows what it is. this is a term that was given, there is no alt-right or alt-left. i'm embracing common sense. >> steve bannon said it is the voice -- >> i don't know what steve told you. you see the crowds we have. you see the enthusiasm, these are great people. these are people that have not been heard for many years. now they've been heard. first time in many, many decades. in fact, some people say the first time, period. >> all right, we have a lot to talk about this morning. let's bring in cnn political commentator and former member of

the house of representatives, bakari sellers, and trump supporter, kaleigh. so kaleigh, let's talk about this new strategy of donald trump, where he is calling hillary clinton a bigot. what is that based on? >> well, first of all, i want to point out why we're so concerned why donald trump called hillary clinton a bigot, when hillary clinton leveled false accusations and called donald trump. cher at a hillary clinton fund-raiser compared donald trump to hitler, and stallin. who killed millions of juiews. before leveling a bigot charge, i think we should ask for hillary clinton to apologize and say cher's comments were inexcusable. >> this has been ginned up, but there doesn't seem to be any notion of ratcheting it back. >> that's the worst charge. i think that's been leveled in

this entire campaign, which by the way, the left did to ronald reagan. esquire said it was like voting in germany. they try to demonize the right. it is not going to work. >> isn't donald trump going to take a page from that? donald trump, calling someone a bigot? >> i don't think, for eight months, he has been called a racist, and i think it is completely fair. >> bikari, your thoughts? >> well, i think one of the things we have to look at yesterday from hillary clinton's speech, which kaleigh and many others don't want to recognize, is that hillary clinton only used donald trump's own actions and words against him. when you talk about donald trump's record, his interactions with african-americans, whether it was housing discrimination, the list goes on and on and on. the birther movement. when you talk about him embracing had alt-right movement, it reminded me of his david duke comment, where he

refused to disavow david duke on three different times. now he doesn't know what the alt-right movement is, but he has hired the chairperson of breitbart, or the ceo to be his chairperson of his campaign who has embraced that. >> bakari, we could do the same -- >> all of these things in totality show that donald trump has a very, very sorted past with the african-americans. >> no, bakari, we could do the same to your candidate. she supported rob bird bird, a kkk grand dragon, we could talk bill clinton golfing at an all white golf course. a few years ago, barack obama could have been getting me coffee. we're not going to that gutter politics. i refuse to do that. >> hold on a second, kaleigh. obviously, both campaigns are using highly inflammatory language and imaginary. in fact, donald trump, just, hold on a second, just put ow a web ad, a web video just this

hour. we've gotten ahold of it, where they try to use hillary clinton's words against her. so listen to this. >> they are often the kinds of kids that are called super predators. no conscience, no empathy. we can talk about why they ended up that way. but first, we have to bring them to heal. >> you called out president clinton for defending secretary clinton's use of the term super predator back in the '90s when she supported the crime bill. why did you call him out? >> because it was a racist term and everybody knew it was a racist term. >> no conscience. >> it is a well-thought out crime bill that is both smart and tough. >> no empathy. >> please explain it for the record. >> because it was a racist term and everybody knew it was a racist term. >> bakari, let me start with you. that's hillary clinton in her own words, that some people obviously interpreted as racist terms. what do you think of that line

attack. >> oh, no, we have already re-litigated. this is an issue that i took up with hillary clinton and many african-americans did. not just hillary clinton, but bernie sanders as well. not just bernie sanders, but the black caucus. when you talk about the 1994 crime bill, we've had a great issue with this, because of its unintended consequences. that's why we're having this robust conversation. the term super predator is a term that had no place in the rhetoric then and it doesn't now. the difference between the two candidates, alisyn, kaleigh, you know, hillary clinton embraced that. she owned it and said i apologize. i used it once. i will never use it again. donald trump's racist rhetoric, donald trump's racist actions, he has never apologize dollars to the central park five. he has never apologized for discrimination. never apologize dollars to the president of the united states. never given us a plan to untangle this mass

incarceration. he needs to come up with a policy point. >> how about that? >> donald trump has never discriminated, so he isn't going to apologize for something he did. >> there were records of him having discriminatory practices at his apartments. >> that was never proven in a court of law. it was settled without admission of liability. by contrast, you have donald trump putting out an ad that is hillary clinton in her own words, re-litigating something that was very hurtful to the african-american community, versus hillary clinton putting out false ads, pictures of kkk leaders, suggesting donald trump is involved in that putting that on her website. you have cher comparing him to hitler and not apologizing. your campaign is singing into the gutter, and it is responsible, and it is very sad and level of discourse. >> bakari, your response. i just laugh at it. all of a sudden, donald trump

has individuals who support him, trying to contort themselves in many different directions as he is making this all of a sudden brand new outreach to african-americans and minorities. if donald trump really loved us, african-americans and hispanic, we wouldn't be having this conversation 74 days from the election. would he have been talking about this at the beginning of his campaign. he wouldn't actually know how to communicate with people of color. my schools aren't poor. many of the people i know have jobs. not enough of us do. we don't walk down the street and say we're going to get shot in our own communities. that's no the the america we know. if donald trump really loved us, he would know how to talk to us. >> this is a tough conversation we will continue to have. we appreciate you both debating it this morning. thank you. he has worked closely with president george w. bush, but james glassman is refusing to vote for donald trump. why? he has a case against the gop presidential candidate. he says that it is not just

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our next guest has voted republican in every presidential election since 1980, and served under president george w. bush. he says this year, he is voting for hillary clinton. why? to save his party. james glassman, and joining us now, the former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs. donald trump has an answer for people like you. he says you are the establishment. you are what the gop that made it losers, and he is the new wave of the party and that's why he got the most votes, and you need to get on board with what the party is today. do you accept that? >> not at all. i think that donald trump's betraying the republican party. betraying our principles. you know, just now, with all this talk about racism, i mean, you know, the republican party

was founded under abraham lincoln. we were responsible for the civil rights bill in 1964, and i proudly served with the president who got 11% of the black vote, 44% of the hispanic vote. no, things have taken a very, very bad turn. let me just say that it is not just members of the so-called establishment who are saying that they're not going to vote for donald trump. about 5 million people based on the quinnipiac poll, 5 million republicans are now saying they're voting for hillary clinton. so there are lots of people, normal republicans, who can't stomach donald trump, and want to vote for mrs. clinton as a way to defeat him. >> now, there is another angle of push back which is okay, you don't like donald trump as a traditional republican, i get it, but that hillary clinton is so unacceptable to traditional republicans that they could never vote for her. so not only what you're saying

is unusual to hear, but donald trump upsets you as a republican, but you're going to vote for clinton. why are you doing that as opposed to saying i don't know, maybe i'll go third party, maybe i'll write somebody in, which we've heard from others. >> right. this is the most important question. there are lots and lots of people like me that quinnipiac poll that i was talking about says that roughly one quarter of republicans say that they disapprove of donald trump. but many of them are on the fence. they don't know what to do. now, it is my belief that voting for hillary clinton is important, because it will actually defeat donald trump. and i agree with the 50 foreign policy experts, people like two homeland security secretaries, two deputy secretaries of defense that say that donald trump does not have the character, the values or the experience to be president of the united states. and while i don't agree with

hillary clinton on everything that she says, and while i certainly have some problems with this question of surrounding the e-mails and so forth, i think she would make a better president than donald trump, and i also think that it is the way to save the republican party. so i would like to see republicans who are on the fence get off the fence, and say that they'll vote for hillary clinton for president. >> the reality within your party is that he got the most votes of any gop primary runner ever. and the reason in large part other than his charisma and what he was saying is he tapped into disgust of the status quo. and for many of his supporters, hillary clinton checks every box of status quo, and that's the metaphor of what the e-mail scandal or clinton foundation situation plays into. why don't you see it their way? >> well, you know, i don't like the status quo either. i don't think many people like the status quo, period. but he also received the most

votes against him of anybody in my party. and my problem with donald trump is temperament. i don't think that he is qualified or fit to sit in the oval office. you know, the same group that i just quoted said that he would be the most reckless president in american history. there is no way we can prove that but i really do think that his actions, certainly during the campaign, and probably over the last quarter xenry -- century or so would be worried about him making decision about what to do about north korea now getting missiles that can be put on submarines and can reach the united states at some point. that's not the kind of person i want in the white house. >> james glassman, a very interesting conversation. never had one like it in any election before this one. thank you for being on "new day." appreciate it. well, president obama and

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>> that was the "washington post." i agree. you have nailed it. so how much did you study his cadence and pothis body languag >> i heard i resembled him so i started working on his voice as a joke on sets, i would do it at lunch or something. and then i thought, yeah, i would play him in like 10 or 15 years, an then this popped up. >> so how do you balance mimicking him with acting in a role? it is different than what the late night guys do, they're trying to do straight parroty. >> he is not in the public eye, a private moment with michelle. and he is younger and hungrier and more playful. >> what is his voice. give us a couple of sentences. >> something like this. this is the older obama, and everything is considered, and pronounced in sort of a not a

southern drawl. >> that's really good. >> richard, how much research did you put into figuring out what they did do on their first date. >> the basic contours of the date is public knowledge. they've talked about it in the first campaign and in the second, the reelection campaign. so it is out there. but the details, there is not a lot of meat on the bones. it was just sort of anecdotes. i just sort of read as much as possible about the obamas and their life experiences and kind of extrapolated from there what they might have talked about. what might have brought them together, what might have brought them apart. how could, you know, some credible way for them to fall in love. >> let's play another clip of the movie. we have two choices. i leave it to new the control room. whichever you want. >> so what is this boy's name? >> barack obama. >> barack what? >> he is half white.

his mother father is from kenyas mother is white. >> why isn't this a date. >> we work together, it is inappropriate. maybe, but you are spending the day with him. >> what did you want out of this movie? it is not just a depiction of a single event. there is a projection quality. what do you want? >> actually, for me, it was a depiction of a single event. but i also calculated that everybody else would bring their own projections to it. so from the very beginning, our job was just to focus on how can we make this feel real. how can we recreate the moment in time. but then assuming that every single audience member would bring their own extra layer of politics, their relationship to the obamas, their own sort of feelings about the administration, and that will change over time, it will be different for every person. but for us, it is just a love story. >> have you heard from barack or michelle about the movie? >> no. >> not personally. one of the executive producers is john legend and he said he did have a conversation with the were he is about the movie and

they're aware of it. he told -- john legend told the president that he loves the movie and thinks he'll enjoy it. the invitation is out there. >> how did you figure out -- she didn't want to go out with him. how did he win her over? >> talked and talked, walked and talked all over chicago on one sum everyday, and i think it was like a 20 minutes more, 20 minutes more, one hour more, and he charmed her and showed her he was a good guy. >> isn't it often the case that way? didn't you have to keep going back to your current husband and saying please, please, it will take a while. >> yes, as a matter of fact. but speaking of the walking through, chicago and just this summer day, it is being likened by the "washington post" to the richard link before sunrise, which is the most romantic movie ever. it is just sort of, not a lot of action, but yet something chemical happens. >> yeah, yeah, and i mean, that chemical thing that happens is

kind of intangible thing that happens with parker and tika when you put a camera on them. it is the thing that happens with spencer and tracie, meg ryan and tom hanks. >> high praise. high praise from the director. >> when the camera goes on, they have that romantic kplchemistryd it makes the movie work. >> so then you have, you can't escape, i guess what would be called the history of it, which is where this winds up leading us ultimately, and you have the first date that they had and their moment after they enter the white house together, which is going to be a pivotable one as well. how do you see the transition of this? >> from movie to movie? >> yes. >> well, i'm not signed up to do a sequel. >> that's it. work the leverage. do you see it as a potential continuum. >> not for me. for me, the date was the thing, you know. that is what i was interested in. >> only one first. >> yeah, there is. we've witnessed, we've seen the

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almost a year ago. a drug addict's worst nightmare came true. an officer pulled her over and then arrested her for having heroin in her car. now the nightmare was turned into gratitude. the woman involved here, who is now in recovery, tracked the officer down to thank him for what happened between them. victor blackwell explains in this edition of "beyond the call of duty." >> i saw an officer pull behind me. i moved over to the lane, hoping he would pass me. but he didn't. >> when then 31-year-old brianna burns was pulled over, she had no idea the traffic stop would change her life. the sheriff's deputy, stopped her from swerving out of her lane. >> her hands were shaking. you could tell she was

abnormally nervous. >> she had good reason to be nervous. >> after, you know, a brief conversation, she just, she just came clean. >> i had two bags of heroin, and paraphernalia. >> i've never had anybody where somebody says i have narcotics in the car. >> she said she explained her years long struggle with opioid dependency, and they called detox centers, but no luck getting in for one. but for brianna, it wasn't just that the deputy allowed her to tell her story, it was that he listened. >> he was there to help me, and he did just that. >> i don't judge anybody. >> bre nianna was arrested. >> i let her know that, you know, that she could call me if she needed to, and that i wished her the best of luck. >> after a short stint in the county jail, brianna checked into a drug rehab program. then a halfway house, and a drug court program. and as she tried to turn her

life around, she never forgot about the night she was pulled over here. >> brianna, who says she is drug free, eventually reached him at the sheriff's office and passed along a letter. >> deputy albauer, words cannot express how thankful i am for you. ever since that night, you made me realize of a great purpose here in life. >> i stopped, pulled over and read it, and it is, yeah, it hit you. >> victor blackwell, cnn, stewart, florida. >> you hear that story, sometimes an arrest saves people's lives. >> very often, the officer follows up. it is not just about the law for them. there is something to take away from this. opioid dependency, her inability to get into a detox. this problem is back, in a way we've never seen it before. and detox is necessary for these people. and they can't get it. you've got to get the body before their mind right. >> it is so awesome that police

officer. >> good for her to remember him. >> we'll end the week on that. songs foch f thanks for joining us today. i'm going to talk to the director of "south side with you", and you can watch that online. now it's erica hill. >> tune in. >> where is my phone? >> thanks, guys. have a good day. "newsroom" starts now. >> where is my phone? >> i stole it. good morning, i'm erica hill. in for carol costello this morning. thanks for being with us. it may be their most bitter fight yet. donald trump, hillary clinton deliver dueling speeches. each charging that the other is stoking the fires of racial tension. earlier this morning, clinton responding directly to trump attacking her as a bigot. take a llisten. >> what i want to make clear is this. a man with a long history o