thanks for joining us. i'm jim sciutto. it's been nice being here this week with you. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. the doctor who wrote that donald trump would be, quote, the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency is breaking his silence, talking about how his now famous and trumpy sounding letter came to be. and another red flag for some women voters centers on trump's new campaign ceo and past domestic violence allegations. details now from cnn's chris frates. >> very good. >> reporter: trump's new campaign chief, steve bannon, is already drawing democratic fire. >> the latest shake up was designed to, quote, let trump be trump. so the to do that, he hired stephen bannon. the head of a right-wing website called breitbart.com, as the campaign's ceo. >> but now the conservative news

chief is drawing headlines of his own. bannon was charged with battering and domestic violence, stemming from a 1996 incident involving his then wife. according to documents obtained by cnn, an argument over money allegedly got physical after bannon's then-wife told him she wanted a divorce. the responding police officer wrote, "she appeared as if she was very upset and had been crying. i saw that her eyes were red and watery. she first said, oh, thank you, you are here." the police report went on to say that bannon grabbed her by the neck and wrist, pulling her down, and leaving red marks where he grabbed her. the report said she fought back, got away from bannon, and dialed 911. neither the trump campaign nor a bannon spokeswoman returned a request for comment. bannon continues the line of those in trump's campaign that has drawn controversy. former campaign manager's corey lewandowski rough treatment of a former breitbart reporter drew unwanted scrutiny.

and defending trump from a decades-old accusation, michael cohen argued, of course, understanding by the very definition, you can't rape your spouse. trump friended unofficial adviser roger ailes left fox news, the channel he founded, following allegations of sexual harassment. >> and chris frates joins us now. any idea how this could affect bannon's future in the trump campaign, if it would make any difference? >> anderson, i just put that question to trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway. she made a definitive one word answer, no. that was it. a little earlier today, she was asked in an interview if trump knew about the domestic violence case against bannon. she said, quote, i don't know what he was aware of with respect to a 20-year-old claim when the charges were dropped. it doesn't sound like bannon's going anywhere anytime soon, anderson. >> chris frates, thanks very much. more on how women voters see donald trump. for that, we turn to chief

national correspondent, inside politics john king to break it down by the numbers. the gender gap has been a problem for donald trump since the beginning. where do things stand now? >> this is one of the areas where donald trump remains in a ditch, as we get just ten weeks plus a few days out from the election. let's look, quinnipiac university national poll just out in recent days, 54% for hillary clinton, 33% for donald trump. you can do the math right there. that's 21 points. the third-party candidate is getting some votes there. if you look back at the 2012 election polls, on election day in 2012, president obama had an 11-point edge. a much bigger edge now for hillary clinton. this is one of the reasons she's leading in the national polls. she's used the gender gap to her advantage. donald trump does lead among men, but by nowhere near enough to offset that. 20 plus points, that's huge. >> does it get any better for trump when you look at the swing states instead of nationally? >> though, and in some cases, it gets worse. this is colorado, quinnipiac swing state poll, right now 45% for hillary clinton, this is among likely colorado women

voters. 28% for donald trump. you can do the math right there, with 17 point. gary johnson and jill stine picking up some of the vote there. hillary clinton running below where president obama was because of the third party candidate. but look at the gap here. in colorado, a close swing state in 2012, it's just three points among women voters, wean the president of the united states. mitt romney got 48% of the women's vote. donald trump getting 28%. let's look at the state of virginia. another swing state. tim kaine's home state. probably out of reach for donald trump right now. it was 54/45, a nine-point edge among women for the president. look at this. 28-51. a huge -- a much bigger lead for hillary clinton. and again, she's relatively close to the president despite the third party candidate. she's performing close to the president. donald trump -- mitt romney got 45% of the women's vote. donald trump's getting 28%. that's rough for donald trump. one more state. let's move on to north carolina. this is our polling. hillary clinton getting 48-40. a more conservative state. donald trump getting 40% of the

women's vote. jill stein is not on the ballot in north carolina. but an 8-point gap there. it was just a 2-point gap between the president and governor romney back in 2012. so the governor romney in every one of these states did much better in 2012 than donald trump is doing now. and in most of these states, secretary clinton running pretty close to where the president was. this is one of the ditches, anderson, for donald trump. >> john king, thanks. let's bring in our panel, scottie nell hughes, michael nutter, caylee mcenany, and democratic strategist, jonathan kissimmee. do you think this matters about steve bannon? most of america doesn't even know who he has and these charges from the late '90s were dropped. >> i don't think it matters. first, it goes without saying, domestic violence is never excused in any contest. with that said, steve bannan's case, this was a 20-year-old charge. it was dropped. it was never proven in a court of law. that's important to acknowledge. but this charge with steve bannon, i think there were far more important charges brought

against hillary clinton, which is she used bleachbit to bleach her e-mails that were allegedly personal about her daughter's wedding and about yoga. not sure why you would bleach those e-mails and that i can sure they were never recoverable. and we found out that clinton had a clinton foundation dinner at her apartment and there was supposed to be this stone wall between the foundation and the state department during her tenure. these charges against steve bannon, i think the charges brought against hillary clinton this week are far more important. >> jonathan, do you think this matters? >> as kayleigh said, domestic violence is unacceptable. but i think the issue is donald trump. and the reason that john king, the polling he cited, hillary clinton is the first major female candidate for president. but let me read what our principles pac, a ted cruz pac, the video they put out about the things donald trump said about women. fat pig, bimbo, dog.

a person who is very flat chested is very hard to be a 10. you know, it really doesn't matter what they write, as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of -- you know, so on and so forth. so women have already adopted and accepted and internalized the notion that donald trump is a misogynist. that's what it wipolling is reflecting. >> mayor nutter, do you see this old charge as something democrats will try to use against -- >> it's just a part of the general narrative that's out there. donald trump already has a problem with women. it should be acknowledged. it's not just, you know, it's a bad thing, or it's almost always -- it's always unacceptable for domestic violence, in any circumstance or situation. donald trump should say that. mr. bannon should say that. and then move on. and unfortunately, many cases are dropped. and this one, because his ex-wife did not show up. which is one of the other challenges of domestic violence in the first place. so it's just a part of the overall, you know, clown show of this going on with the trump campaign. and it's just one more thing. >> kellyanne --

>> scottie -- >> i'm so sorry, scottie, i was going to ask you about what kellyanne conway said next. but i should also point out, this also -- other folks were pointing, as chris frates said in that piece, roger ailes is now apparently an unofficial adviser to donald trump, right after getting booted from fox news from what seems to be, certainly allegations of serial sexual harassment, you know, combined with the steve bannon thing, do you think it's a problem? >> all of those are unexcusable. the way men are treating women, the way those conversations before the mr. trump was running for office, for whatever reason, there's no excuse for it. but let's look at the hillary clinton camp. let's look at the sexism that exists not maybe from the men in her office, but from the women. huma abedin, for 12 years, she was the editor of the journal of muslim minority affairs and edited and wrote articles about women who were inviting rape by the clothes they were wearing. that she blamed 911 on u.s. muslims. working gay families should not be recognized as actual families. and sat there and said that women -- and actually criticized

hillary clinton and her idea of encouraging women was actually anti-feminine and that was not right for the family. this is hillary clinton's close adviser. >> saying hillary clinton is anti-women? >> huma abedin, if you look at the writings she has, that goes exactly opposite of what hillary clinton has said. >> there's no possibility that huma abedin or hillary clinton -- >> but she wrote those things! >> let her respond. >> it depends on what -- >> let him respond. one at a time. one at a time. >> it is impossible for anyone to state that huma abedin would be anti-woman. it's factually wrong. >> how is that factually? it's black and white -- >> let's put aside huma and steve bannon. the polling john king is showing is showing women's perceptions of donald trump -- >> who is running for president. >> and he have made a decision, clearly, by that polling in the swing states, by what john king is talking about, they have made the observation and the decision that donald trump is a misogynist. and all the people that he draws

in, whether it be roger ailes, that's kind of his culture. that's -- >> -- but can we point out the women here? >> -- are rejecting donald trump. >> what is wrong with the candidate if you don't support hillary clinton that there's a special place in hell for those women that came from another one of those senior advisers. >> which she apologized for. >> oh, apologies make it all better. it's in black -- >> hold on, this is my turn to talk now. this is my turn to respond. this is in black and white writing. she edited. now you have this comment. yes, you can say i'm sorry, but it's still out there, and that really hurt the bernie sanders camp. that was a direct against women in the bernie sanders camp. so a lot of those votes, i'll give her credit -- >> let's move on to immigration -- >> because she's a woman. >> let's move on to immigration here. i do want to get this in. because donald trump has made some new comments tonight on fox. i want to play them and talk to you and kayleigh. let's play that. play it. >> once the border is secured and we get rid of the criminal elements, which i'm going to start before the wall, before anything, we're going to start that day one, we will look into various situations is. but, again, people are here

illegally. and we have to remember that. they're here illegally. so we will see what we will see. but we're going to start off by securing the border, by getting rid of the horrible criminal element that's causing tremendous havoc, drug dealers, gang members, et cetera. and i think people will be extremely happy. and i'll be announcing something within the next two weeks. a very comprehensive plan on immigration. >> i mean, kayleigh, obviously, there was supposed to be a speech about this already. donald trump last night told me it will be next week. now it seems like it's going to be two weeks from now. clearly, they are trying to figure something out. they are trying to figure out what their plan, at least for the 11 million or however many it is undocumented immigrants in this country. do you agree with that? that they're trying to figure out exactly what to do about that? >> well, i think in some cases, you're right. because he's trying to listen to voters, which i think should be the goal of any person running for office. you know, he mentioned in his hannity town hall, i thought this was a great moment when he said, voters are coming to me and telling me they don't like this part of my policy. so he's trying to listen and be responsive, which is good. but it's important to say, these

things have not changed. he is the security candidate when it comes to immigration. he is going to send -- no one's going to have citizenship here unless they go home first -- >> but this close to an election, should a -- you know, the republican candidate for president still be unsure of exactly the parameters of what their major policy, which they ran on, quite strongly? >> i think he's very clear. and i think right now he's establishing priorities. and you know, when you look at health care, for instance, you have certain priorities. and for donald trump, his priority is, one, the wall. mexico's paying for it. two, everyone's going home and they're going to come in the right way. three, we're deporting criminals. four, we're going to look at the people who remain. so he's establishing priorities now. and i think that's a good thing. >> mayor nutter, have you ever seen a presidential candidate this close to election day -- >> have no idea what they're talking about? >> -- talking about what my policy is. >> listening to the voters is one thing. having a rock solid policy and some principles is another thing. what's clear here is, he does not have a rock-solid policy and

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as we talked about just before the break, donald trump speaking out on immigration. and what you also heard, what it means about policy is clear to some on the panel, less so to others. but plenty of people sat up and took notice when trump spoke this week, first saying he was softening his stance, to use his own words, and then with me, this. >> last night on hannity -- >> i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are no longer -- >> i've heard people say it's a hardening. >> but 11 million who have not created a crime -- there's going to be a path to legalization? >> you know it's a process. you can't take 11 million at one time and say, boom, you're gone. but there's no legalization, there's no amnesty. and if somebody wants to go the legalization route, what they'll

do, they'll leave the country, hopefully come back in, and then we can talk. >> reconciling that and what he said at the sean hannity town hall doesn't give a clear picture of what donald trump's plan really is. however, democrats were quick to say it now resembles president obama's policy. jeb bush says it sounds a lot like what he was saying during the primaries and getting ridiculed for. he's not alone, ohio governor john kasich also confronted trump on the issue. >> or we're going to ship 10 million americans or 10 million people out of this country? leaving their children here in this country and dividing families? folks, we've got to wake up! we cannot elect somebody that doesn't know how to do this job. >> he was so nice. he was such a nice guy and he said, i'm never going to attack, but then his poll numbers tanked. >> the governor, famously did not attend the republican qungs in cleveland. he's not campaigning for trump and rarely talks about him, but however, he did today. >> governor kasich, thanks so much for joining us.

you wrote an editorial this week on welfare reform that i want to talk to you, but first i want to ask you about immigration. during the primaries, you were very clear about the possibility of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants. your position was if they haven't committed a crime while they're here, pay a fine, back taxes, maybe community service, and a path to legalization. not citizenship, but some legal status. you and others who held that view in the primaries, you were attacked by other republicans. given what we've seen the last few days, do you feel some sense of vindication? >> oh, you know, vindication? i don't think about vindication. i don't no what we're hearing, frankly, right now out of the trump campaign. i'm not quite sure where he is on this. but, you describe my position well, and you know, there was a lot of, you know, angst about it. but, you know, i will tell you, anderson, the way i feel is if this is moving a little bit, then it should be good news for our friends in the hispanic community, because many of these families have been on edge and we don't need them to be on

edge. >> but i guess if i had been in your shoes and running, saying, look, this is not feasible, and other folks running against me were saying, that's just weak. you're talking about amnesty, and now seem to be, perhaps, kind of morphing more to your old position, i mean, i guess it doesn't surprise you that ultimately -- >> it doesn't. all these problems you're talking about in our country, many times, both countries offer very simple solutions to very complicated problems. and at the end of it all, it comes down to complicated and very precise decisions and to resolve very hard problems. we all know there's problems. but you can't just solve them by, you know, just coming up with some little bold statement. it takes a, an effort to try to look at things 360 and then come up with something that can resolve the problem. our problem in this country is republicans and democrats were so polarized, that it's hard for them to come together in a

really good way to get things done. >> you know ohio better than anybody. you said you didn't think donald trump could win ohio. do you still think that's the case? >> well, i think if you're a divider, you have a very hard time. i mean, what you have to look at in ohio is there are going to be places in ohio where donald trump will do very well, and the question is, what happens in the urban areas? and is hillary able to generate excitement in the urban areas? if she can, she'll win. if she can't, she won't win. but it's really, frankly, still early to know, anderson. >> one more politics question. i know you're traveling to new hampshire this week, ostensibly to thank supporters who helped you come in second in the primary there. a lot of political watchers see it as the beginning of laying the groundwork for 2020. i would be remiss if i didn't ask you, are you interested in another run? >> yeah, i wouldn't get carried away. rook, aisle going to new hampshire to help johnson and his brother, chris sununu, run for governor. i'm going to raise a little bit of money. and when i'm there, i'm going to thank people who helped me. i have deep affection for them, anderson. you know, this would be like asking one of these marathoners,

you know, you going to go into the next olympics? you know, everybody ought to have a deep breath and a break. >> i want to turn to the op-ed in "the new york times," outlining your plan for welfare reform. you're arguing that states should have more room to decide what's best for them. what works best for them. >> you know, to some degree. to some degree. anderson, here's the part -- >> what part of welfare isn't working and what are you doing to fix it in ohio? >> we designed a welfare system that gives a reward for welfare offices to pass out the benefits as fast as they can, with the least amount of fraud. but as a result of that, there is no emphasis on taking people who are on welfare and actually helping them to get off welfare. and this was designed by republicans and democrats. and we also know with job training, that system is goofy, too, for this reason. we actually give a reward to offices that get people back to work the fastest, okay? well, that sounds good, but you take somebody who's a bank teller who loses their job and get them another job, okay,

that's easy? the problem is taking somebody who has never been employed or has never saw anybody who was employed. so the welfare office's rewards, passing out the benefits without regard to the person and where they end up. and the job training office takes the easiest to retrain. and that's why we have endemic poverty. what are we doing? we're taking 16 to 24-year-olds and we're saying, if you need help, we'll give it to you, but you're also going to be held accountable. you're going to get trained and we're going to get you work. frankly, it took me a long time to get this done. now, the federal government needs to have proper incentives, but i have to tell you, at the state and the local level, there's pushback on that. because the welfare offices say, don't do all of that to me. in ohio, we're going to focus on 16 to 24-year-olds, but if you're 25, you get your stuff, they get you out of the office, you got multiple case workers, and in most cases, nothing happens to improve your life. our goal has to be to improve people's lives.

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hillary clinton is continuing her attack on donald trump's rhetoric in a blistering speech yesterday. she described him as a candidate with an, quote, long history of racial discrimination that traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from pages of the supermarket tabloids and the far dark reaches of the internet. today she said the choice voters will make is about much more than policy positions. here's what she said on msnbc. >> i am reaching out to everyone. republicans, democrats, independents. everyone who is as troubled as i am by the bigotry and divisiveness of donald trump's campaign. and i've said repeatedly, this

is not a normal choice between a republican and a democrat. we are facing a divisive candidate, whose loose cannon temperament and his complete lack of preparation make him unqualified to be president and temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief. >> she's trying to make the most of the fact that donald trump is having trouble reaching women and minorities. the polls bear that out. and now trump is also at risk of becoming the first republican in 60 years to lose the votes of another demographic, white college-educated voters. john king joins me again to break down by the numbers. so can traump turn the tide on this particular demographic? >> he needs to, anderson, if he's going to be competitive and win the election. we've done this before when you get new data, you look at it. is there any evidence that donald trump is improving? look right now, among white college graduates, donald trump and hillary clinton essentially running even, 41% for donald trump, 40% for hillary clinton.

you see the third party candidates getting a a combined 16% right here. roughly even, right. look at this. mitt romney lost in 2012. he beat president obama by 14 points among white college graduates. he won by 14 points and he lost the election. donald trump running about even right now. i don't think anybody at home needs me to explain, if you are running -- if you're donald trump, you're running 15 points among white college grads behind the guy who lost in 2012, that's not good. >> national numbers are obviously one thing. you know, elections are won in battleground states. where does the education gap for trump work most to hillary clinton's advantage? >> most in the states i call the new america states. states that have growing diversity, growing latino community bhaib a big african-american community. but also where the new economy is a higher-educated economy. technology, engineering, research, medical, a place like colorado. the denver suburbs, who have a growing latino population, but also growing number of the people who live there, who have college graduations. white college grads in colorado, 58% to 33%. you can do the math at home. 25-point lead for hillary

clinton. mitt romney beat president obama on election day 2012 by 11 points and mitt romney lost the state. he beat president obama among white college graduates, but lost the state. donald trump is losing by more than 20 points, anderson, in colorado. a swing state that appears to be moving out of reach for the trump campaign. let's look at virginia. another one, where today, clinton is ahead of donald trump by 18 points there. again, governor romney lost but won the state. a new economy state. but even in traditional battleground states. look at iowa. now, iowa was always good for president obama. but it's a whiter, more conservative state. it's very competitive right now. essentially a dead heat between trump and clinton. she's up ten points among white college graduates. president obama beat governor romney there by four points. but this is pretty simple. never mind the clinton/trump numbers. donald trump is underperforming mitt romney in all of these states in this key demographic, what has been a republican demographic. donald trump, if he's going to

beat hillary clinton, he cannot be underperforming and dramatically so the guy who lost four years ago. >> john king, appreciate it. back with the panel. scottie, how does he improve on those numbers? trump's doing very well among white non-college graduates, doing much better than secretary clinton is, but how does he get better among college graduates? >> i think it goes back to his core issues. i think why is you you see massacre being the issue. reuters just came out with the poll today that the leading gap from hillary is actually narrowing by five points. on tuesday, it was 12 points. by last friday, it was 8 points. so obviously, this conversation, i think this is why hillary clinton came in yesterday and caused this big brouhaha with this type of a hate speech that she gave against conservatives -- >> but you're saying immigration being the issue this week, has that actually helped among white college graduates? if anything, it has been -- it hasn't been exactly a clear message. i know trump supporters say he's not changing his position, but it certainly has raised questions about him, is he softening, is he not? he says he's hardening. does that actually help the

conversation? >> well, i think the conversation right now is while trump is trying to figure out the actual details of the plan, it's releasing what hillary clinton's plan is, blanket amnesty to everyone. and she's not telling how the middle class is going to continue to take on this burden of $113 billion every year, the middle class, for all of the illegals that are in this country and how we are going to secure our border. >> mayor nutter, is this something trump can make inroads on? >> no. the polls hope in pennsylvania 73 days and 10 hours. scottie just said, donald trump is still trying to figure out his immigration plan. he's been a candidate for 15 months. it's his signature issue. it's a signature issue for the party. he has no idea where he's going with this or with many other issues, which is why his positions continue to change and these voters, like many others, don't think he's qualified to be president. he's not ready to be president. the same poll said nearly 60% of them said that donald trump is not qualified to be president of the united states of america. people are paying attention to this election. they're going in another

direction. >> kayleigh, do you think he can turn it around? >> yes, i do. and here's where two quick things, first, you mentioned he's doing very well among white, non-college graduates. that's an area where we could appeal where romney couldn't, mccain couldn't, blue-collar voters in pennsylvania and michigan. that's one. but two, among white-investigated voters, who republicans have traditionally won, i think they're going to look, and on election day, they're going to be in that ballot box and they're going to say to themselves, we have a supreme court. there are a lot of 5-4 decisions. the heller decision, the right to bear arms means the right to physically hold a handgun. the hobby lobby decision. the right to, if you don't support the idea of birth control, you as a business owner don't have to provide it. the amnesty decision. president obama can't go around the law. he has to work within the confines of the law. i think there are going to be a lot of voters who traditionally voted republican, white college graduates who will say to themselves, hillary clinton won't appoint three liberal justices. donald trump will at least maintain the status quo on the supreme court and they will end

up voting for donald trump. >> in the poll, men back trump by a large margin, a as to voters without a college degree. how does hillary clinton make inroads there? >> i quickly want to say on immigration, the great piece you did with john kasich, it was fascinating that here's a governor of a large swing state, ohio, he cannot tell you what donald trump's immigration plan was. he was dumbfounded. that speaks volumes about the failure of the flip-flop that trump has on immigration. i think that the issue about non-college graduate white evacuates, particularly in battleground states like pennsylvania and ohio, ting labor movement will have a very important effect there. you're going to have labor leaders go into those states in west virginia, pennsylvania, ohio, and plain to people that if you elect donald trump, you're basically signaling the end of the labor movement. >> but it does seem like leadership in the labor movement is maybe supporting hillary clinton, but it's not necessarily rank and file. >> there's no question that trump has played to people's fears in a disgusting way.

he's told people that, you know, people feel insecure. donald trump is not the solution. in fact, if you look at his background, the way he's been sued thousands of times because he wouldn't pay people, wouldn't pay contractors, he's not the solution to people's economic distress. and i think the labor movement will have an effect there. will she win that demographic? >> no, she won't. >> but i think it will close -- >> i want to -- >> i want to thank everybody on the panel. i know this may seem like the nastiest campaign season in american history. this is not the first time there's been name-calling in presidential politics. certainly not by a long shot. we'll show you the lowlights and tell you who called his opponent a fathead with the brains of a guinea pig. remember that one, we'll tell you, next. [pre-searcher #2] nice! [pre-searcher #1] great! [brad] bingo! our pre-searchers are working so hard to find you an apartment before you even need one. hello, doctor. then there are pre-pre-searchers. they're finding buildings before they've even been built yet. those are such great kids...really. then there are pre-pre-pre-searchers.

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well, it's the end of a long and pretty nasty week in american politics. hate groups, conspiracy theories, charges of bigotry have become a part of this election season. it's not just the presidential campaign. a voice mail has surfaced that the governor of maine, a republican left a state lawmaker, governor paul lepage, has been claiming that more than 90% of drug dealers in his state are black and hispanic. somehow word got to him that a state lawmaker called him a racist. the lawmaker denies do that i think. but here's the voice mail the governor left for him.

>> this is governor paul richard lepage. i would like to talk to you about your comments about my being a racist, you [ bleep ]. and you -- i want to talk to you. you want -- i want you to prove that i'm a racist. i've spent my life helping black people, and you little son of a bitch socialist [ bleep ]. you -- i need you to -- this frickin'. i want you to record this and make it public, because i am after you. thank you. >> the bleeped word was the same word twice. i won't go into it. since then, the governor has sort of apologized, but also says he wishes it was 1825 so he could have a duel with the quote, snot-nosed little runt. lepage is a strong trump supporter. at an event in florida, hillary clinton's running mate, senator

tim kaine, did just that. >> yesterday, hillary clinton gave a speech in reno, nevada, calling out donald trump on a lot of things on this equality idea. calling him out on the fact that he has supporters like david duke connected with the ku klux klan, who are going around and sayi inin ining donald trump is candidate because donald trump is pushing their values. ku klux klan values, david duke values, donald trump values are not american values. >> this is shaping up to be one of the nastiest elections in american history, and that is saying something. gary tuchman looks back. >> hypocrite, godless atheist. who said it? trump or clinton? neither. it was associates of jefferson and adams trading barbs. thomas jefferson and john adams. >> a man you can bait with a tweet. >> lyin', crooked hillary. >> reporter: the fact is all this name-calling and dirty campaigning is nothing new.

take the election of 1828. john quincy adams versus andrew jackson in another political brouhaha. adams taking aim at jackson, asserting that jackson didn't know how to spell, was too uneducated to become president, while newspapers portrayed his wife, rachel, as a short, fat dumpling. jackson shot back, claiming that adams had sold his wife's maid as a concubine to the czar of russia. and douglas accusing lincoln of hypocrisy on the issue of temperance, claiming that lincoln himself had once operated a grocery store that sold hard liquor, causing quite the stir. lincoln's reply, if that was the case, then surely douglas was his best customer. in the election of 1912, theodore roosevelt called his opponent, william howard taft a fathead with the brains of a guinea pig. taft in kind calling roosevelt's

followers neurotics. modern campaigns have seen their share fair of nastiness, too. 1972, edward muskogee of main. one article planted by the nixon white house, accused muskogee of using racial slurs against french americans. the second implying muskogee's wife enjoyed smoking, drinking, and cursing in an unladylike way. >> by attacking me, by attacking my wife, he has proved himself to be a gutless coward. >> reporter: but it was also reported at the time muskogee broke down and cried, sending a message that he couldn't handle the heat, and sending his campaign into a tailspin. in 1988, george h.w. bush let loose on mike dukakis. >> michael dukakis has opposed virtually every defense system we've developed. >> reporter: asserting he didn't support the military, and stating that dukakis thought a naval exercise is something you find in jane fonda's exercise

books. bush went on to win. and in 2000 george w. bush's campaign was accused of starting a whisper campaign, that his primary component, john mccain, had fathered an illegitimate black child. his daughter, bridgette, was actually adopted from bangladesh. but the false rumor had its intended effect, stalling mccain's momentum and bush went on to win. another example of how even though it's ughly -- >> hillary clinton is a bigot! >> this is someone who retweets white supremacists online. >> reporter: -- it can work. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. >> joining me now, cnn political analyst and "usa today" columnist, kirstin powers. so we heard hillary clinton accuse donald trump of taking hate groups mainstream, we heard trump accuse hillary clinton of being a bigot. at the end of the day, does either win or does one just lose less? >> the thing is, i would say

they're kind of false equivalencies to put what hillary clinton did in the same category as what donald trump did. we just watched him yelling that she's a bigot. he really doesn't offer any evidence to support this. what hillary clinton did was she gave a speech that she outlined things that donald trump had said. it wasn't a matter of opinion, even what you just played was her basically saying, these are things that donald trump has said. these are people that donald trump has had relationships with. and there's nothing particularly ugly about that. i think she's sort of prosecuting a case against him and his relationship with the alt-right. >> it's also interesting, when you think that -- and in the republican party, donald trump was labelled a racist by hillary clinton, no one in the republican party's leadership, or even his running mate, are publicly defending him, at least that i've seen. >> well, they're not only not defending him, i think if you remember other times when he has said things, for example, when he attacked a judge who was born in the united states and claiming that he couldn't be fair, because he was mexican, even though he was american, you had paul ryan, the leader of the

republican party, coming out and saying what he did was sort of the textbook explanation -- definition of racism. so, you have people who are agreeing, i think, with democrats on these criticisms. and then at the same time, when he's calling her a bigot, he's not getting any backup on that from the republican party. you don't even have the rnc spokesperson is refusing to go along with that. sean spicer is refusing to say she's a bigot. so i think that these are sort of two different things that are going on here. i think he's doing name calling. i think she's going through and she's outlining a history of things that he has said and done and really focusing on a relationship that should have gotten a lot more attention, i think, you know, it's surprising it hasn't gotten more attention in the past. >> and we're still 74 days out from election day. we know negative campaigning, you know, works. otherwise, we wouldn't see it in each election cycle. can it go too far, you think? >> yeah. of course. it can always go too far. but look, what donald trump has been doing all along, i think,

has been negative campaigning. and it's why i think a lot of people, he's turned off a lot of people in particular. women with a lot of the attacks that he does. hillary clinton has done -- she's done a series of speeches where she's prosecuted the case against him, whether it's been on the economy, whether it's been on foreign policy, and now with the alt-right. and i think it's something that she's doing, and she's basically trying to make -- further stigmatize him for suburban voters who maybe are thinking about voting for him. basically saying, this just is not a person you want to be associated with. >> and making that case really to republicans yesterday. >> yes. i think that's right. and i think -- and, by the way, i hear a lot of republicans saying, well, look, she's going out and calling republicans racist and she's attacking republicans, when, in fact, in her speech, what she did is, she said, this isn't the republican party. this is not what the republican party is known for. this is no who republicans are. and so she's making a more subtle argument. >> right. she actually talked about john mccain, she talked about george w. bush, making a differentiation between them and

donald trump. >> yeah. right. >> the -- i mean, donald trump has certainly dictated the tenor of this campaign, certainly in the primary. do you think this kind of rhetoric is the new normal or has political speech fundamentally changed or do you think donald trump is such a unique character in american politics it's not something that's going to be repeated. >> i think he's a unique character. and he's somebody who is not going to stop doing this. even when every time he pivots or he does his softer side, he will continue to have these outbursts. and so we see him softening on immigration, but then screaming and yelling about how hillary clinton's a bigot. so i think he will continue to do it. and i don't think it typically works that well for people, which is why hillary is really not doing it. as much as people want to claim that she is attacking him this way, she isn't. i think she's making a good distinction and i think she's raising attention to something that's important. look, he took somebody who headed up a website, breitbart,

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breaking news tonts. for the first time donald trump's personal physician is speaking out about that gushing letter he wrote last december vouching for trump's health. he writes that trump's strength

and stamina are extraordinary without giving supporting data. he also says unequivocally that trump would be quote the healthiest individual ever elected to the president. the letter contains a number of typos and terminology most doctors don't actually use. now we know he wrote it in just five minutes. that's what he told nbc. phil mattingly joins us with details. what else did he say? >> kou have laid out what people thought when they initially saw this. talking to republicans and democrats, there's a third eye rolls, a third disbelief and a third chuckles. talking to the doctor, nbc didn't uncover anything that will make any of those people change their minds both about how he came to write the letter and also his rationale for his diagnosis. take a listen. >> i thought about it all day and at the end, i get rushed and i get anxious when i get rushed. i try to get four or five lines as fast as possible. his health is excellent, particularly his mental health.

i think that his brain is turned on 24 hours a day. >> so just to reiterate because i do think it's pretty important, he says he wrote this letter essentially outlining donald trump's health in five minutes jotting it down as donald trump's limo was waiting outside to pick up the letter. this isn't typical. it's not usual. it kind of underscores what a lot of people thought when they saw the letter. >> did he talk about the hyperbole he used? >> he did. it was interesting. he was asked about it and acknowledged this wasn't the usual way he would write a letter like this, but he also noted he was channeling donald trump's voice as he wrote this letter as if donald trump kind of gave him a copy of what he wanted said and then he channeled just that. he also stated on that line that you read, he thought it was pretty funny that he talked about being the healthiest president of all time. he said clarified, just meant the living presidents because the living ones are all sick and everybody else is dead. >> okay. that's an interesting way to look at it. donald trump had promised to release his full medical report.

any update on that? >> we are kind of in the middle of a back and forth between campaigns. hillary clinton has also not released a ton of medical information but has released a much more detailed two-page letter. her campaign has said it's up to donald trump to release more. trump's campaign said hey, you go first. now both of them are saying we won't go until the other one goes. the reality is at 70 years old, donald trump will be the oldest president ever elected. hillary clinton at 68 not far behind. there's a need for both to do this. right now, no sign of when it's going to happen. >> thanks very much. we'll be right back. clean food. words panera lives by.

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that does it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" starts now. what may be a new low in one of the nastiest campaigns in american history. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. he calls her a bigot. she says his real message may be make america hate again. donald trump and hillary clinton are not done yet. trump tweeting today how quickly people forget that crooked hillary called african-american youth super predators. has she apologized. clinton's running mate tim kaine going on the attack today, charging trump embraces what he calls ku klux klan values. the rnc calling that remark reprehensible. here to discuss all of this, michael smerconish and larry sabado, director of the center for politics at the university of virginia. good evening. boy, oh,