voter registration here ends october 11th with no early voting in pennsylvania it will be a race to election day. >> reporter: now, a big issue for both trump and clinton will be enthusiasm at the polls. a guru of pennsylvania politics says his polling shows many voters are motivated more by fear of the other candidate rather than love for their own. >> you are in the right place at the right time. thank you for the report. we're following breaking news, another deadly police shooting. let's get into it. >> good morning. welcome to your new day, we begin with breaking news. violent protests erupting in charlotte, north carolina, after police shoot and kill a black man that they say had a gun. demonstrators taking to the highway turned into riots in many places, setting fires,

attacking police cruisers and police themselves. tear gas had to be used to quell the violence that you're seeing on your screen right now. >> at least a dozen police officers are hurt and the city's mayor is calling for calm. this unrest comes hours after a different demonstration in tulsa, oklahoma. that one after police released this video of the shooting death of an unarmed black man. so this morning we spoke exclusively with the family of terence crutcher and we have it all covered for you. let's begin with brin on breaking news out of charlotte. >> reporter: we see video of what happened and in this case no video as of yet. the investigation is just in the beginning stages and that hasn't stopped protesters from taking to the streets of charlotte outraged by the shooting death of keith scott, a father of seven who his family says wasn't carrying a gun when police approached, instead they say he was reading a book.

overnight violent protesters erupting on the streets of charlotte, north carolina. >> hold those police officers accountable for what they do. >> reporter: several hundred protesters blocking a highway, looting trucks and setting fire to some of their cargo. officers in riot gear deploying tear gas and setting off flash bangs as angry crowds swarmed squad cars, throwing rocks and bottles to the officers, injuring at least a dozen. protesters moving to a local walmart. video shows them attempting to break in, but running once s.w.a.t. teams arrive. >> the citizens have a legitimate concern and their concerns shouldn't be taken lightly. >> reporter: the clashes breaking out following the fatal shooting of a black man, keith scott. police say they arrived at an apartment complex looking to serve a warrant to another individual when they encountered scott who they say was armed. >> make some eminent threat to

them and because of that at least one of our officers fired rounds at the subject. >> brently vincent identified as the officer who shot scott is also a black male. according to local reports now placed on administrative leave. but protesters are out in full force, questioning when will black lives truly matter? >> a terrorist, new jersey, new york, he was taken alive. they said they wanted to question him. so because of you wanting to question him does his life mean more than our black men across the nation? >> that's been echoed all over social media. charlotte's mayor promising a full investigation but in the meantime calling for calm. of course we are expecting to learn more about where this investigation stands later, chris, and we should certainly get that as the day goes on. >> appreciate the reporting. protesters also taking to the streets in tulsa, oklahoma, calling for the firing of a police officer who shot and killed an unarmed black man.

hundreds gathering in front of the police headquarters last night, calling for the arrest of the officer who killed terence crutcher, a 40-year-old father of four. we have cnn's ana cabrera live in tulsa. she has more. >> reporter: good morning, chris. protesters want to see officer bitty shelby arrested. that depends on the outcome of the local police criminal investigation, but there's also a federal civil rights probe going on right now. the department of justice opening its investigation after seeing the video of what happened. police video shows the moments before 40-year-old terence crutcher is shot and killed by a tulsa police officer. from this dash cam video and a police chopper. >> he has his hands up there for her now. >> reporter: you can see crutcher with his hands up. police officer betty shelby followed with her gun drawn as crutcher walks back towards his

suv that's stopped in the middle of the road. >> this guy still walking and following commands. >> reporter: three other officers respond standing between crutcher and the dash cam video but in the helicopter video it appears crutcher drops at least one of his hands when he gets to the video, but you don't see what crutcher is doing as he is shot. the helicopter is circling around at that moment. >> that looks like a bad dude, too. >> reporter: crutcher falls to the ground. >> he has been tase erred. >> shots fired. >> reporter: shot and tased. >> there was no gun on the suspect or in the suspect's vehicle. >> reporter: crutcher was unarmed by shelby's attorney said she didn't know that. he said he was not responding to shelby's questions and ignored multiple commands. the drug pcp was found inside of crutcher's car. attorneys for the crutcher family say they are looking into that but say no matter what police mishandled this situation. >> did him being a big black man

play a role in her perceived danger? >> no. him being a large man perceived a role in her being in danger. she's worked in this part of town for quite some time and, you know, just the week before she was at an all black high school homecoming football game. she's not afraid of black people. >> reporter: shelby is now on paid administrative leave. while police and shelby's attorney say crutcher was reaching in the window of the car when she fired video of the incident appears to show the drivers window is closed. >> that looks like a bad dude, too. >> that big bad dude was my twin brother. that big bad dude was a father. that big bad dude was a son. that big bad dude was enrolled at tulsa community college just wanting to make us proud.

>> reporter: terence crutcher's story appears to have hit a nerve all over the nation with everyone from politicians to sports stars weighing in on social media using t the #terencecrutcher. the local police chief saying his office will conduct a thorough and transparent investigation and vows, quote, we will achieve justice, period. alisyn. >> thank you for all of that background. earlier this morning we had an exclusive interview with that family of terence crutcher here on "new day," it was of course an emotional conversation as they process their loss and the pain of seeing his death on video. >> he's got his hands up there for her now. hit the recorder. this guy still walking. >> time forfort taser, i think.

>> i have a feeling that's about to happen. >> that looks like a bad dude, too, to be honest with you. >> i hear someone who was paid to protect and serve us prejudging my brother. he didn't know my brother at all and i have so many friends who are officers of the law and they stand with us and they say that's not representation of who our public servants are supposed to be and it just validates what we've been angry about, what we've been confused about, what we've been hurt about. >> because he looks like a bad dude what does that say to you? >> it says that anyone who is big in stature or may have brown skin, it just seems like they automatically criminal lies or demon niez or say, hey, we're

going to get you. i'm really sad and i have friends who have young boys and they are afraid to go to driver's ed, they don't want driver's license, they're afraid and that sad dense me. >> you want them to know that your brother was not a bad dude, he was a father and a brother and a son. >> he was all of that. all last night i have been flooded with love and support from people all around the world from all different backgrounds, all different cultures and one that really broke me down and really touched my heart was one of his professors at tulsa community college who said terence was in my sociology class last fall, he never missed a class, all he talked about was his children and his final presentation that he did was on christianity and she said her heart breaks and she is going to miss him. i lost it. and so that big bad dude mattered. he truly mattered.

>> and yet, mr. crump, the police say that he wasn't following their instructions, maybe he told -- maybe they told him to stop, maybe they told him to get down. they say that that's what caused him concern. to either of you that he wasn't following instructions and police probably would have said get down, don't go to your car. why wouldn't he have followed those instructions if that's what was issued? >> we don't know what was said because no audio, but what we do know is that we have a video that does not have a political affiliation, it does not have an ulterior motive. we have a video we can clearly see. we can see on the video that terence did not have a weapon, we can see on the video that terence has his hands up in the air, we can see on the video that terence was moving in a very slow and deliberate manner. with he see very clearly on the video that terence never made a sudden movement towards the officers or towards going inside of the vehicle. we can see on the video that when terence was shot the officers were not in any imminent harm. >> and it was broad daylight,

alisyn, the whole time and there was no justification for this use of excessive force. >> the police say that they found the drug pcp inside the car. do you believe them? >> we don't know what they found in the car. we will take it at their word because they got all the, quote/unquote, evidence in their custody. they say they are going to be transparent. this is an opportunity for the leadership to be transparent so they can go the trust with this tulsa community that maybe can be an example, alisyn, for communities all over the area. we see what's happening in charlotte, we saw what happened in florida when mike brown has his hands up, we saw what happened to jameer rice in cleveland. when the community feel they cannot trust you then we have terrible things that happen in our communities. >> would that change the equation for you if there were pcp in the car and if that meant that somehow he was debilitated by having taken a drug somehow? >> alisyn, you look at that video and nothing in that video

justifies them using excessive lethal force on him. if we are going to start declaring the death sentence to anybody that has drugs in their system, well, they are going to go to a lot of communities not just our community and god help america. >> tiffany, you and your brother, you are twins, you just celebrated your 40th birthday is month ago. on that day he told you that he was looking forward to the future and what his plans were. >> yes, he told me that he was excited about the future, excited about starting school. i have a final text message, the very last one, where he told me that he loved me. i told him that i loved him and he said, god is going to get the glory out of my life in that text message. and we are a family of faith and we know that all things work together for the good and if any good comes out of this, if any good can come out of this we're hoping that america will open

their eyes, everybody, and see that there is an issue, a systemic issue that needs to be solved and we're pleading with the leadership of this country, everyone, to just see that and let's put some systems in place to prevent this from happenings again. >> and yet, reverend crutcher, you quake up this morning and there are protests in charlotte, north carolina, because there has been another incident. not the same. this man police say did have a gun but he was sitting in his car. these are the protests you are waking up to this morning of another incident. what are your thoughts when you see this continuing to happen? >> it's just a continuation of the same thing over and over and over again. and its perpetuated against people of color more than anything else. if it would have been in the reverse, if it would have been a caucasian, it would have been totally different because there are records that indicate and

show that this situation wouldn't have happened if that would have been a caucasian. and if the circumstances were in reverse terence would have been charged immediately. >> mrs. crutcher, how are terence's kids doing? >> well, they're doing the best that they can do at this present time. what's breaking my heart is that his youngest son, we call him little terence, asked me the day before yesterday where is my dad? because he hadn't seen him, you know, in a couple of days. so in his mind he's wondering what's going on. so we told him, because we are people of faith, that dad went to heaven. >> so i'm always struck by these families who come on after an incident like this while they are still in the throes of their

grieve because they want the conversation to happen, they want some action. even though that was really hard for them and they struggled before and after that interview to talk to us they felt that it was important to talk about where their family is. >> well, first of all, you gave them a great opportunity in how you conducted the interview for them to talk about what matters instead of just trafficking in their grief. they feel that this is the only way to justify his death is to somehow make it mean something going forward. the question is clear, this has to be about the use of force in situations by police. why does it escalate so quickly? >> yeah, and training. everybody says that that it might be about better training. coming up we will hear from the other side of the story. that's the lawyer representing the police officer who shot terence crutcher. so what is her side of the story? we will talk about that. >> this is obviously playing into the election as well. donald trump says african-american communities, quote, are in the worst shape they have ever been in before. is that true? is it going to help win over black voters?

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communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they have ever been in before ever, ever, ever. you take a look at the inner cities, you get no education, you get no jobs, you get shot walking down the street. they are worse -- i mean, honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. >> donald trump standing in front of a white audience talking about black america raising some eyebrows with that assessment that it is the worst ever, ever in black communities. so he is the so-called law and order candidate yet silent so far on these shootings in charlotte and tulsa. let's discuss with brew nell

shea. she is the vice chair for trump's national diversity coalition. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you so much, mr. cuomo. for having me. >> it's a pleasure. i know your background, you understand the problems with urban violence and policing in this country very, very well. the candidate you support has been silent so far, uncharacteristic of him. why? >> you know, what i would say to you is that we've got -- we know that most police officers are law abiding citizens, they get up, they go to work just like everybody else, you know, going out to make our communities safe and then you have of course like in every profession you have those bad apples that go out and they -- you know, they give us -- all of us a bad name. we have those few bad apples that give us all a bad name. like i said, most of the police officers that go to work, they go to work, they want to serve and protect. they want to take care of us.

and so it's unfortunate that you have officers, some officers, a small percentage, that are not following the rules and following training. >> so how do you explain your candidate not sending that message out right now, not leading in a situation like this. he ordinarily has something to say when something happens. does he believe that this is a problematic situation for him politically? why is he quiet? >> i believe that mr. trump, like all americans, are waiting to find out what the actual facts are. i mean, this is an investigation and, you know, the police have to do their investigations and, you know, the -- you know, talk to the officer and different things like that. so we're definitely have to allow the police to do their investigation and get to the bottom of this. but i do know that good police officers all around the world as well as this family just want to make sure that there is going to be an honest investigation into what's happening.

>> obviously mr. trump is making an effort to try to get more minority voters, specifically african-american voters, on to his side. latest numbers have him at about 6%. will it help him get black voters by saying falsely that the black community is in the worst shape ever, ever, ever? is that going to get you black votes? >> what i will tell you this, is that, you know, the majority -- i a lot of black people are doing well in this society, but unfortunately we do have that 25% that are living in abject poverty. i'm from chicago where there have been almost 3,000 deaths, shootings in chicago this year alone. and, mr. cuomo, many people are out there eating poverty and drinking hopelessness because the jobs that were promised eight years ago and four years ago under the democratic rule never came. the investment into the black

community that was promised never came, better schools in our communities, it never came. and so, you know, there are people who have waited on life support literally waiting for jobs, waiting for better and it did not come. and so i'm not saying that it's ever, but what i will say is that black people and during the civil rights movement were being -- you know, there were problems with police and then the schools were an issue as well as no jobs and it's going on right now in 2016 and so, you know, i would have to say that it's a general -- you know, a generalization, no, but there are pockets of about 25% of the african-american community that are worse off, that are not doing well, that are starving, picking between gas and food, picking between whether they are going to die lult their baby's milk or pay meant or child care. i mean, there is a sense of

hopelessness on the ground. i am in the courtrooms and on the ground all the time talking to every day people and honestly there are black people, there are white people, there are hispanic people who are poor and they waited for help that never came. >> brunell you paint the desperation accurately and very well. i don't think there is any denying that there is great need on the facts it is not the worst ever, ever just about any way you want to measure it and that's not just about debating facts it's about what the focus is of this pitch. >> yes. >> what is it about donald trump other than saying you are not worst shape ever which just isn't true what is he promising the black community that you believe is better than what you're hearing from hillary clinton? >> let me tell you something, donald trump he's running for presidency of the united states. that's the thing, we're making it a black thing, making it a white thing, making it a hispanic thing. we have got to stop talking about it in terms of race and start thinking about it and talking about it in terms of

america. we need jobs. we need better schools. we need investment in communities. we need that. and that is what he is offering. you have to remember donald trump is the head of trump organization and when you look into that organization it is filled with blacks, whites, hispanics, arabs, asians, different religions, different kreeds. so he has -- he is a person that has created jobs, he is a person that signs checks, he is a person that works on the bottom with the person who is doing the foundation as well as the guy sitting in the office. so all of that i think is important when we're thinking about our next president. our people, the american people, many of them are losing hope and we need a champion in that office that will provide the jobs, that is looking at school choice which is a big issue even in the african-american community. we need, you know, investment in the communities.

so that is what -- >> he is not running -- he is a running as a president of the united states, not just black or white or hispanic. >> brunell, thank you very much for making the case for donald trump on "new day" today. good to have you on the show. >> god bless you and thank you so much. the justice department is investigating the fatal shooting of terence crutcher, an unarmed black man in tul sachlt what is the officer's side of this story? up next we will speak with the attorney of the tulsa officer who fired that fatal shot. up ne attorney of the tulsa officer who fired that fatal shot. you tell your insurance company they made a mistake.

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protesters taking to the streets in tulsa, oklahoma, after a police officer shot and killed an unarmed black man on friday. crutcher was gunned down by officer betty shelby, she was responding with other officers to two 911 calls about a car stopped in the middle of the road. we're going to show you part of the police video that they released. we warn you it is disturbing. here. >> he's got his hands up there

for her now. >> i'm going to hit the recorder. this guy still walking. following commands. >> time fort taser, i think. >> i have a feeling that's about to happen. >> that looks like a bad dude, too, to be honest with you. >> family is obviously outraged by what you see and frankly what you hear. police characterizing their loved one as a bad dude in the midst of that altercation. joining us now is the attorney for officer betty shelby, scott wood. counselor, thank you for joining us this morning, it's important to get perspective from both sides in a situation like this. what do you see in that video that justifies lethal force? >> well, chris, one thing you have to understand is that before the video goes on officer shelby had been dealing with this individual for probably a

minute or a minute and a half. so at the very outset, you know, no one is around the car. she's driven up on the car, she doesn't know about the 911 calls that have come in, she's on her way to a domestic disturbance call. so she stops, it's an obvious traffic hazard, thinking, okay, someone needs some help, they need to get off the roadway or whatever. she goes up to the car there's no one in it and when she turns around mr. crutcher comes walking up down east 36th street north mere in tulsa. >> right. i understand that the context is relevant, that this wasn't the beginning of it. one, do you know if there is going to be any body camera or dashboard camera that comes out following this other than the helicopter camera? >> you know, some dash cam video has been released of the officers that arrived later. when officer shelby pulled up she didn't see anybody around, wasn't planning on taking any enforcement action, she turns her light switch on to the back

blinkers of his police car which do not activate the camera system. >> did she have body camera? >> no body cameras. tulsa has gotten grant money for tulsa police department for body cameras, but that program has not been implemented as yet. >> all right. i'm not saying that in an incriminating way, i'm saying very often this video helps explain an officer's actions not just being damning but also can be validating. so back to the original question, given the benefit of context, what in this video suggests to you a need to use lethal force as opposed to all the other layers of force that they could use. they could have run up and grabbed this man and thrown him on the ground. none of that done. why? >> well, officer shelby at one point that's not on video decided her gun needed to come out of her holster. mr. crutcher had repeatedly gone

to his left pocket and started to put his hand in it. she commanded him not to do that. at least three or four different times leading up to the point where she finally pulled her gun and got on the video and said, dispatcher, hold traffic, i have a subject here who is not following my commands. >> he had three or four opportunities to reach in his pocket and withdraw a weapon and did not and wound up with his hands above his head. help us understand from that point given, again, the benefit of context, she said don't go near your pocket he then puts his hands over his head meaning he cannot get to his pocket. what was the decision of the officer that i need to shoot him? >> well, the movement that he made once he got up to the drivers window. but you have to understand she had given him commands to get down on the ground when her gun came out of her holster, she ordered him to the ground, he refused to comply, refused to communicate with her really in

any way and she's a drug recognition expert off of shelby and she formed the opinion that this guy is really, really high on something, probably pcp, and those people are highly unpredictable. she knew she couldn't physically do anything with him until some help got there. >> right. but when you're dealing with the -- when you're trained, correct me if i'm wrong, when you're getting your training if you believe that someone has diminished capacity, if you believe they are on drugs, if you believe they are mentally unstable there are protocols of training that do not lead you to, oh, this person is on drugs, you should shoot them. the furtive move, the window and door is closed so he does not enter the vehicle. i'm trying to understand why the officer tells you she never thought to get with some of the other officers who were there, multiple officers, and take him down without lethal force. why did they not try that?

>> well, because officer shelby did believe that he probably had a gun on his person because of the behavior, the continued reaching for that left pocket area. she was very, very concerned about that and the fact that somebody who is being held at gunpoint simply turns their back and walks to their car, i think you can imply some type of motive or intent for someone who is returning to their car to do what? get in it and leave? he was standing at the door, therefore, quite a few seconds, never tried to open the door and get in or leave, but it was that furtive movement at the door that made officer shelby fire her weapon and officer turnbough discharge his taser. i know officer turnbough -- >> go ahead. finish your point. >> yeah, officer turnbough has

said if he would have had a gun in his hand at the time he would have used it, too, but in a situation like this he was coming up as less lethal coverage and he responded to the same thing that officer shelby saw as mr. crutcher stood at the doorway of that car. >> less lethal coverage, we are going to have to figure out what that means. let me ask you this quickly, does the officer regret what she did? does she wish she could have done something else? >> oh, of course, in hindsight looking back and now knowing that he didn't have a weapon on his person and there wasn't a weapon in the car, of course, she's horribly, horribly upset over this ordeal and has been praying for the crutcher family. she feels very badly about what happened. >> counselor, thank you very much. not an easy conversation to have as we get more facts please come on the show so we can have a continued discussion. thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. chris, hillary clinton calls that police shooting in tulsa

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this horrible shooting again. how many times do we have to see this in our country? in tulsa, an unarmed man with his hands in the air. i mean, this is just unbearable and it needs to be intolerable and so, you know, maybe i can by speaking directly to white people say, look, this is not who we are. >> that was hillary clinton speaking out about the police shooting and the death of an unarmed black man in tulsa. this morning another city is dealing with unrest, this time in charlotte. how boo hillary clinton deal with this divisive issue? let's discuss this and more with her campaign manager robby mook. good morning, robbie. >> good morning. >> we heard hillary clinton say this is intolerable. i think lots of people wake up this morning and feel that way. but what as president would she do about this situation?

>> well, first of all, hillary is speaking out on this issue as you -- as you just heard her on that show. but there are two prongs to her approach. the first is to have a set of national standards around how to manage these situations, that doesn't exist right now, and that could help through training to prevent situations like this. >> but, robbie, what does that mean? national standards? against what? >> well, that there are currently -- there are no set of national best practices on how to manage situations like what happened in tulsa. these situations are handled by local policies currently and what she is proposing is that we actually set up national standards so that localities have better best practices to work with and train towards. the second piece is to restore bonds between communities and law enforcement. so investing in community

policing and making sure that local police have the resources to build the relationships in the community to prevent something like this from happening. >> when she says i would speak directly to white people to say, look, this is not who we are, what does that mean? >> well, i think what she's saying that our entire country needs to do some real soul searching here. it is clear that the criminal justice system is not treating everybody the same way and that if you are african-american or from another minority group you may not be being treated the same as a white person and that's a problem. and it's something that we need to surface and we need to address and that's what she's doing. i think in contrast you are hearing nothing of the sort from donald trump, he is actually only fueling the sort of divisiveness that in some cases can lead to these sorts of situations. so voters have a real contrast and a real choice here. >> when you say he's fueling it how is talking about police lives and respect for police

fueling this divisiveness? >> well, but that's exactly the point here is that this isn't about pitting the police against the community or the community against the police. this is about everybody getting equal treatment by the law. so where that's not happening we need to acknowledge it and we need to do something about it and, look, we need to remember that the same way that some people aren't being treated fairly, we also saw in houston members of law enforcement walking into the gunfire in that protest and so we need to also celebrate and lift up the bravery of our men and women who serve in law enforcement. what donald trump is trying to do is pit people against each other and he is providing no real plans whatsoever about how to make sure that everybody gets equal justice under the law. that's the kind of divisive rhetoric and division that he will bring as president. that's why we cannot let him get into the oval office. >> robbie, let's talk about hillary clinton preparing for the upcoming debate next week.

she took the day off the campaign trail yesterday we are told to prepare for this. what exactly is she doing to get ready? >> well, as you know, she is spending some time on preparations and is spending a particular amount of time this week. she wants to make sure that when she gets to that debate that she will clearly lay out the plans she has developed to make a difference in people's lives and all we are asking is that donald trump do the same thing. i would hope that he goes to the drawing board and puts together some plans because as of right now we haven't seen real specifics and we haven't seen serious plans. so we hope that he's spending time doing that this week. >> we're told that she has been watching some videotapes of his past debate performances. what has she gleaned about a strategy to go after him? >> well, look, i think what's concerning overall about donald trump is, first of all, he doesn't often tell the truth so

she's going to have to spend some time probably correcting the record and making sure that voters understand the facts. secondly as i just said the divisive rhetoric, the wild accusations, the generalities, you know, sometimes it's going to be on her, again, to correct that record and make sure voters know what's really going on. so she will be prepared to do that, but i think what voters are going to need to look for in this debate is who is ready to be our next commander in chief and i think they will see once again donald trump is unfit to serve in this office, his plans aren't serious, his approach isn't serious and his divisive rhetoric is the last thing we need in washington. >> cnn has reporting that she is trying to figure out things in the past that have rattled him and maybe use those to her advantage. what rattles donald trump? >> well, i think we've seen that this is someone who can be triggered very quickly. he can get set off by a tweet. that's why i would argue he is unfit and unprepared to have our

nuclear codes and lead our men and women in uniform as commander in chief. who knows, that's the thing about donald trump, you never know what's going to set him off and she's going to be prepared for whatever comes. >> all right. well, we of course will be covering it and it will be gas in a i get to watch. thanks for being on "new day". we have heard from both campaigns this morning on these deadly police shootings. what role could they play in the 2016 race? let's break it down with cnn politics executive editor mr. mark preston next. willie nelso] ♪ on the road again [ rear alert sounds ] [ music stops ] ♪ just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ [ front assist sounds ] [ music stops ] [ girl laughs ] ♪ on the road again ♪ like a band of gypsies we go down the highway ♪ [ beetle horn honks ] no matter which passat you choose, you get more standard features, for less than you expected. hurry in and lease the 2017 passat s

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all right. it's been a busy morning. we have discussed obviously the deadly police shootings in charlotte and tulsa and how these incidents and the response from the candidates will affect the race going forward. we have cnn politics executive editor mark preston joining us now. we had the crutcher family in here, they are -- terence

crutcher was the man shot by police, 40 years old, in tulsa. they said we are calling on the leadership in this country to do something. we need systemic changes, they were saying. have either of the candidates addressed this adequately so far? >> addressed it in the sense have they given us delivered clear plans about how to deal with something that's been going on by the way not just the last couple days or last couple weeks, this has been ongoing, right, for years and years and years and years. we haven't seen clear plans, necessarily. what we have seen is hillary clinton's campaign talk in a way that they are willing to try to embrace some kind of plan, whether that plan is even able to be put into place. at the same time you have donald trump who as we have seen throughout this campaign doesn't get into very specific about what he does. >> was robby mook specific? he said they will have national standards on how to deal with into he is things. >> i go back to they will say they will move into into direction but won't get into specifics.

i don't know how you would put national standards into place where every police department would have to follow a certain way. >> the politicians get a little bit of a break on this issue in what they can do. right? policing is state and local so federal standards -- what the federal government can do is a little bit unclear. one thing they could do is have a national registry and it hasn't gotten passed, the democrats have pushed for t the republicans have pushed back. the democrats have never asked for just that, it always has some kind of gun measure that is political dynamite and that wides up creating an impasse. donald trump has a unique problem here. he has shouted down the black lives matter movement, he has made it seem that the police are under siege and everything else should be ignored, then you have two cases of this which raise real questions of improper training how he goes silent. >> what was interesting was that the national diversity coalition director you just had on seems to be the best spokesperson for

donald trump and she didn't agree with donald trump's comments about the black communities being in the worst shape ever, ever, ever. i mean, she went on to say i'm not going to say it is ever, but went on to say that there are still a lot of people who are eating poverty and drinking hopelessness and that is true. you know, i think we do believe and understand that there is a part of america that is left behind and that is the inner city. >> i want to ask you also about what robby mook said about debate preps because we are -- our cnn reporting says she is co combing through old tapes of donald trump. >> do you know what was interesting, too dsh first of all, it's going to be explosive. i think whatever happens on monday, tuesday will be a fascinating day. whoever loses that debate will try to catch up. >> do you think you have a clear winner or loser. >> no doubt in a debate. i don't think you walk away with a draw in the first debate.

i think there will be political blood on the floor. robby mook said this more than once that she is going to have to fact check him during this debate and that could get very uncomfortable if she is continuously saying, well, actually, that is not true, actually, that is not true. it will be interesting to see how the viewers react to that. >> and how the moderator reacts. this is the ongoing question of whether or not it is the moderator's job to fact check. chris wallace said said he doesn't think that is his job when it comes up to his debate. >> well, it's tricky. it's kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't but ultimately it has to come down to the two of them. don't you think for clinton all this talk about her preparing for donald she needs to play her game more. this idea of insulting your way to the presidency that's his bag. he is the problem, you know, that's what he's saying, i am the problem, i am bringing up the problem, that's who i am, i'm saying what's wrong, isn't her job to show that she is better than that, that she can bring the solutions. >> 100% agree with you.

anyone who played up to donald trump such as ted cruz or marco rubio lost in the primaries. she has to be her own person, however, she does have to show that she's tough standing against him and it's not just what she says, let's watch body language. that is the most fascinating thing we will see on monday night. >> thank for previewing all of this with us. newsroom with carol costello will pick up after this break. trey brown, director of college scouting. the surface pro allows us to be flexible and get work done where ever we can. it's a laptop, i take the keyboard off, it's a tablet. macs can't do that.

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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. another police shooting, another african-american man killed. just hours after the justice department opens an investigation into a police killing in tulsa, oklahoma, anger boils over in yet another american city. >> charlotte, north carolina, police say the man was armed, his family says he was carrying only a book. we will hear from the family in a news conference next hour. in just about a half hour the charlotte mayor will speak to reporters and of course we will bring that to you live. some protesters, though, do turn on police, a dozen police officers injured, a handful of arrests and a city brought to a ti