thank you so much for joining us on this sunday night. we'll see you tomorrow at 7:00 for a special edition of "out front." we'll be live from the debate site. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening and thanks for joining us for this live sunday edition of "360." we are 25 hours away from what will be a debate like no other. the first female nominee for a major party will go head to head with a man who, with no political experience, took down every republican in his path. this roller coaster of an election season, the debate is tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. oat hofsta university. we'll hear from both the clinton and trump campaigns. and from our expert panel about what to be watching for tomorrow night. we begin though with how the candidates are getting ready to go head to head on the debate stage. our political reporter, sarah murray, joins me from outside trump tower in new york. how is donald trump getting

ready for tomorrow? what do we know? >> well, anderson, he spent most of the day today here in trump tower with a number of folks who have been pivotal in helping him prepare for the debates. new york governor chris christie left a couple hour ago, along with rudy giuliani. reince priebus has been pitching in on the debate prep efforts. this candidate didn't have a deep bench of advisers. he was a first time politician. we're seeing it take shape around the preparation. >> during the primary debate, unpredictability was one of donald trump's biggest assets. do you think we expect more of that from him tomorrow night? do we know what version of trump is going to show up? >> i think that is a huge asset for him. it forces hillary clinton to prepare for multiple donald trumps, for multiple scenarios.

it'll keep, i think, both candidates on their feet. i don't think this is going to be the rough and tumble setting that we saw during the republican primary debates. it is just going to be the two of them on stauge. they'll be forced to go deeper into policy issue thas than the republican primary. we saw donald trump tweeting about gennifer flowers, who had this affair with bill clinton back in arkansas. we saw that donald trump can throw things out there to try to get under hillary clinton's skin, to try to put her off her game. we'll see how much of that carries over to the debate stage. >> trump talks about how he is a counter puncher. is he going to hit back if attacked tomorrow, or even if not attacked? >> well, this is a difficult balance for him. he's managed to turn every attack he lobs into some version of a counter punch. but he also knows there are a lot of voters, particularly female voters, particularly in some pivotal suburbs, who have problems with donald trump's temperament. even if he is going to counter

punch against clinton, i think he and his team are working on how to do it effectively. how to paint her as a crooked politician, as someone you can't trust without making it seem like donald trump is dragging everyone into the gutter. that's a risk for hillary clinton, too. not a lot of republicans came off of that debate stage in the primaries looking well after they had traded insults with donald trump. that's something for both of them to think about into tomorrow night. >> thank you. now to how hillary clinton is getting ready. jeff zeleny is in new york. what are you learning? >> anderson, we are learning that hillary clinton has been preparing for the debate and is making no apology for that. she's been doing it for weeks with expensive debate preparations. who is playing the role of donald trump? we learned the answer to that. it is a long-time aide of hers.

phille phillpe, an aide from her secretary days. she described him as passionate, lewd and loyal. he has a sharp tongue, a temper, and he knows how to push people's buttons, including secretary clinton's. he was picked to get under her skin a little bit, so the aides could watch this happening. anderson, this has been underway in practice sessions throughout the weekend, until almost midnight last night. at a resort not far from here in chappaqua. only her closest inner circle is watching this play out. the rest of her campaign staff in brooklyn really is watching from afar. but this is really just her top aides here, helping her for the big night tomorrow. >> certainly, the focus on e-mails has dogged her campaign all year. is she preparing for how to deal with that when it comes up at the debate, if you know?

>> it almost certainly will come up. this has been hanging over her campaign for so long. and as you know, anderson, from talking to her so many times, her answer has sometimes been a lawyerly, not necessarily all that plain spoken. they want her to -- her advisers believe she will, you know, give some contrition again tomorrow, but then try to move beyond that and not get mired down in the details and lawyerly facts she sometimes says when she talks about this. she'll also pivot to transparency. of course, remind everyone that donald trump has not been as transparent, certainly in releasing tax returns, which he hasn't done. >> what about the birther conspiracy? is she planning on using that against donald trump tomorrow night? >> her aides say she will use the birther controversy. if it is not brought up, she may bring it up herself. that is one of the things that perhaps fires up democrats, her base, and members of the obama coalition. she is trying to rally them to

her side here. the birth certificate is an issue that her campaign and she believes defines donald trump. defines his candidacy. she will try and use that to amplify this, of course. we haven't heard him talk much about this. he's not answered any questions about this since the short statement in washington a couple weeks ago here. so it would be hard to imagine this not coming up tomorrow night on that stage when they're debating one-on-one for 90 minutes. >> it'll be fascinating that watch. jeff, thanks very much. donald trump sticks to his primary debate style, the question is how insults and interruptions would play in a one on one with hillary clinton, talk about talking about experience. we'll look at different debate styles next.

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donald trump's style carried him through the debates but this is not hilalary yo rodeo. dana bash reports. >> reporter: hillary clinton in a debate is all about what she's done. >> look at what i accomplished in the senate as secretary of state. >> reporter: donald trump, simple, sweeping promises. >> we will make this country greater than ever before. >> reporter: their primary debate performances helped each again the nomination, but their upcoming face-off is different.

>> he tugs at the heart and she tugs at the mind. >> reporter: a long-time debate coach for gop candidates sat down with us to break down their contrasting styles. >> i say not in a braggadocious way, i made billions and billions of dollars dealing with people all over the world. >> i was part of a very small group that had to advise the president about whether or not to go after bin laden. >> he talks in these big, giant terms. she doesn't tend to do that. i think that's -- it puts him at an advantage. he understands well the dynamic of television. >> reporter: the same goes for discussion of policy. >> i will build a wall, it'll be a great wall and people will not come in unless they come in legally. >> there is no need for the rhetoric and demagoguery that is carried out on the republican side. you've run out of excuses. let's move to comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship. >> he goes for the heart, talks in very big terms, doesn't demonstrate a deep knowledge of

policy. so she's got to up her game on talking to the heart. he has to up his game in talking to head. >> reporter: then there was the alpha candidate tactic trump used to belittle his gop primary opponents. >> rand paul shouldn't be on the stage. don't worry about it, little marco. you're trying to build up your energy, jeb. >> reporter: his line for clinton. >> crooked hillary clinton. >> he should explain why she is crooked and not just call her a name. if he calls her a name the entire time, i think it's going to look bad to the public. >> reporter: clinton's quick sand, getting her back up. >> it is your democratic opponent and many democratic voters who want to see the transcripts. it's not about the republicans or democrats. >> you know -- let's set the same standard for everybody, when everybody does it, okay, i will do it.

but let's expect the same standard on tax returns. >> she's very defensive. that's a problem. >> what if that hillary clinton shows up? >> it'll be a long night. >> dana joins me now. the thing is, i mean, one-on-one debate is different than a one-on-17. how much of a challenge is that for donald trump? >> it's different. he's never done it before. i think the fewest number of opponents he's had was four. it is different for lots of reasons but primarily because part of his m.o. during the primaries was to be quiet at times when he didn't want to engage in policy. then he could pick his moments. he was really brilliant at that. every moment is going to be his moment during this debate. so i think what is going to be key, and just in talking to sources who are working with both camps, is the two of them, one-on-one, how each of them is going to avoid taking the others

bait. sure, there will be a lot of policy discussion and questions about what they would do as president. but so much of it is about temperament and how each of them appears with the other. even more so for donald trump, of course. that is going to be something that they'll be practicing and one of the fascinatie ining thio watch. >> grab the popcorn. a lot to discuss with the political panel. we have john king, cnn's senior political reporter, cnn's chief political analyst, david ax axelrod. at this table, trump supporter, paul, a senior adviser to a pro-clinton superpak, co-author of "the art of the deal," a clinton critic and a trump supporter, jeffrey lord. the difference of styles skpe se question of what style donald trump will adapt for this debate is an open one. >> we don't know which donald trump will show up or how many.

for that matter, how many hillary clintons will show up. the race is tight. looking nationally, she's up two and a half to three points. that's the same place that romney and obama were. president obama was up in the first debate. state by state, trump is in better shape than mitt romney was. florida, ohio, north carolina, you look at some of the battleground states, trump is either ahead or in better shape than mitt romney was going state by state. as dana explained, for donald trump, the challenge is professional. you can see it in any poll. voters look at him as temperament. not sure he has the temperament in commander in chief. he has to look and act like a president. her challenge is much more person personal. the structural part of the race is in her favor, but especially now, if you look especially in key battleground states, gary johnson is bleeding millenniial from her. younger voters and independents, she has a problem. the candidate not on the stage is having the biggest impact on the race when you go state by

state. >> interesting. what are you expecting? >> if you're hillary clinton, you're going in with people thinking you're going to win. looking at the "washington post" poll, 44% think she's going to win. 34% think that donald trump will win. her argument has been, there's just one donald trump. there are not many, just one donald trump, and he singularly is unfit to be president because of his temperament and because of his judgment. i think her challenge is she's got to figure out a way to bring that out of him. she can't expect he's going to show up and show he doesn't have the right temperament. she has to prosecute a case that not only is an argument for her candidacy, but also, you know, sort of advances the argument that she's been making all along. if you're donald trump, you've got to surprise people, right? >> yeah. >> his problem -- >> he does. >> he does but you have to surprise people in a way that makes him likable. essentially, says listen, i am fit to be president and i am a professional. >> how hard is it to prep for a

debate when you're not sure of the style of the person you're going to be going up against? >> first, i'm thinking, i wonder what it would be like if she were debatie ining jeb bush or rubio, would we all be here? >> on a sunday night? >> asked and answered. i think it's difficult because i think the worst result for hillary clinton out of this debate would be if trump answered the questions that john king mentioned. if people left there saying, i think he is a plausible president, i could see him in that office, that would be a real problem for her. because this is what is keeping the college educated voters, white, college educated voters who generally vote more heavily republican from going trump's way. on the other hand, he could get, you know -- donald trump could get in her grill in a way that he did with his primary opponents and try and unsettle her and make her, you know,

integrity and some of the other issues that have been raised front and center. you have to prepare for both. >> to daidvid's point, if hilla clinton needs donald trump to be blustery or whatever or seem unappealing to college educated voters, then it's going to be incumbent on her to get that out of him if he's not automatically there. >> i wouldn't be surprised if hillary clinton would start and continue to challenge him on specifics. draw it out. say, okay, you want to build a wall? what's it going to cost? i wouldn't be surprised if she tried to let the american public know that he has a lot of interesting policies that he offers, but he hasn't thought them out. >> one of these questions was, will she turn to donald trump and make those challenges or will she talk to the american people? if you look at the primary debates, the people who tangled with him -- >> didn't do well. >> right.

>> she may take a different approach. >> she's different in a way, too. there's a gender dynamic going on here. it'll be interesting to see whether he attacks her the way he attacked little marco or, you know, whatever. >> we have to take a quick break. stick around. more to discuss, especially wit. gennifer flowers could have a front row seat at tomorrow night's debate. invited by the trump campaign. how that all started and whether it's a possibility, when we continue. if you try to write, on a plain old mac the difference can be seen (it doesn't work) get the surface pro (the keyboard detaches from the screen) get the surface pro (i like the blue!)

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the clinton-trump face-off is just over 24 hours away. the two candidates preparing for their first debate. monday night, trump is busy on twitter. the clinton campaign said they will put mark cuban in the front row. trump said, maybe i'll put jennifer flow-- gennifer flower the front row, who had an affair with bill clinton. tonight, the trump campaign is

backing down, theyisaying they haven't invited flowers and don't expect her to be a guest of the campaign. was it a mistake for the clinton campaign to bring up the mark cuban thing? >> no, he is a celebrity businessman who is for hillary. it's fine. i think the mistake was trump reaching so far back in the past. every election is about the future. the answer that should be, if you want to make it about my family's past, i want to make it about your family's future, america. tell the middle class he can do whatever to go back to the past. >> do these lines pop into your head? >> it's what i do for a living. it's a pathetic job but i try to do it well. >> you're sitting up at night, the family and the past. >> it was what came up with gennifer flowers. >> you've been critical of donald trump, who you worked with on "art of the deal." you see how he prepared, reads, writes or doesn't. i've heard you say he is

essentially not capable of preparing for a debate. is that true? >> he's been clear that he hasn't really prepared for this debate. >> you think it's true? >> i think he is incapable of preparing in a serious way. i think that it is an insult, pretty staggering proportions, to the american people that he wouldn't prepare. especially disturbing that he couldn't prepare -- repair or prepare. >> when you say he couldn't, just based on what you saw when you were there, that he doesn't want to focus on things that don't interest him? >> i'm a person on here who knows donald trump. i'm the only one, including the two trump supporters, who has spent significant time with him. i believe that either one of these two folks would not be for donald trump if they knew what i know about him. i believe the problem is, he's an extraordinary effective con man at a particular moment in history, and i feel as if i'm watching a tsunami come toward me. that tsunami is donald trump. but his supporters -- or

potential supporters are standing on the shore, thinking it is a normal wave. no, it's not. the world will never be the same if donald trump is elected president. i've said it before and i'll say it right now. there is a deep risk that the world as we know it will not survive donald trump. it's a very serious concern. >> if we could rewind back to 1980, we'd hear the same things tony is saying about ronald reagan. "esquire" magazine said anyone who showed up to vote for ronald reagan was like a good german voting in hitler's german. carter was saying she was in hatred. >> you don't know the man. >> your only talking point is you don't know the man and i do. it's not a winning point. this man has broken through to the american people, and the american people trust him in a lot of the people like him are enthused about him. >> what do you want to hear from donald trump tomorrow night? how do you want him to be during this debate? ideally, how does he need to be? >> i think he needs to do exactly what he's been doing on the campaign trail. he's been giving policy speech

after policy speech. he attacked clinton on some things. >> the recent iteration of him. >> absolutely. the first speech he gave after he came out with kellyanne conway at the campaign manager, he had a moment of connection. you don't say things right all the time. if i hurt someone, i regret. donald trump with humility and measured is the donald trump we're going to see. i think it's the one that'll win over the american people, like carter did against reagan -- or reagan against carter. >> can he do it when he has a candidate who is potentially going to go after him? >> sure. what you'll see tomorrow night on the stage, aside from all the talk that we're having here about specifics, this, that and the other thing, you're going to see a candidate that represents the political establishment of america. the political class. you're going to see somebody over here who is the candidate put forward by people in this country who are in open rebellion. in essence, she is jeb bush, as it were. she is every candidate on the republican side who decided that

they were going to represent the establishment. he is the rebellion against that. >> but he's never been up against another candidate where he's had to give two minute answers and had to go or be expected to go pretty deep on specific policy issues back and forth. >> i would suggest that is the political class obsession. when we think about that -- >> the political class obsession -- >> wait, wait, wait. when we think about the two reagan debates, and everyone here knows the story, he was so terrible in the first one that those of us who worked for him winced. the second one, it was roger ailes who said, mr. president, you're not in all these details. you're into themes. that's what got you elected. relate the answer to your themes. that's what donald trump has to do. >> i think the key here is that knowing things actually does matter. the idea that it will be difficult for donald trump to fill two minutes ought to be a source of great concern to

people. i think hillary's most powerful move is to make donald trump defend the indefensible. there are a sear reeries of thi said in the campaign that are representative of what he is. the judge curial, mccain, putin, knowing more than the generals. >> the birther issue, i imagine. >> she needs to stay relentlessly focused on that so she can pull him out of the capacity to deflect and to move the attention to something else. >> do you think she also needs to kind of -- i've heard people talk about her needing to have a broader vision, as well. not just be against trump, but also offer something. >> that's more important. trump doesn't need debate prep. he needs xanax. they'll give that to him. he went 24 minutes with the president of mexico and didn't say anything racist. oh, that's impressive. he'll do that for 90 minutes. he will. that's not the real challenge.

i'm really not as interested in when trump explodes. if he doesn't during the debate, he will by morning. can't help himself. interested in what you raised. hillary has 102,000 words of policy she's published and trump has 300. she needs a unifying theme and motive. the reason people don't trust her is they worry about her motive. maybe it's a women thing or a hillary thing. she needs a sense of mission, not ambition. if i were working for her -- hillary, here's what i would do. they have a pad but it is blank. i'd write the world dorothy and charlot charlotte, her mother and grandchild. she has a golden grandchild.fec

hillary and her family. that shows the motive. >> on jeffrey's point, i think he's got the vote of those people who are aching for a political revolution. the question is, whether or not he can get the votes of those normally republican voters who are troubled by the fact that he doesn't seem to have the temperament or the deep base of knowledge that they expect from a president of the united states. i think if he goes in with the attitude that you're suggesting, there is some danger associated with that. >> jeffrey makes an important point about the climate. forget the names of the candidates. the climate of the country is for change. hillary is a known brand and a washington insider cht he is. he is a businessman. she needs to make him a risky change. she needs to say, i'll change your life. it's hard for somebody who, a, parties don't always stay the

same. >> chris christie would look into the camera and talk about real people. talk about people he met on the trail. talk about the average joe or jane. that's something, i think, donald trump can do. i do think -- i was saying that he has to surprise folks. if he shows up like he showed up in mexico, i think it will be a surprise to a lot of people because hillary clinton has set donald trump up to be a wild man in a debate. if he doesn't show up that way, it'll be surprising. >> we keep talking about the authentic hillary clinton. we don't talk about what's the authentic donald trump. if donald trump comes out and doesn't lose it and acts like he did with the president of mexico, is that the real donald trump? >> no. >> let's go othver uit again. >> the burden is somehow more on her to prove that she is actually authentic and real. even though people watched her

for the last how many decades, 30 years at least. >> where does the expectations game play to this? those who say donald trump, the expectations are so low -- >> when a bear dances, no one says, gee, he doesn't pirouette well. they say, man, the bear can dance. he comes under the dancing bear rule. if he is reasonably compose and had can answer a few questions, he'll get some points for that. i have to tell you, i've been through this a number of times. these are the most prepful events you can experience. if you are a candidate, you want to know what to expect and want to be exposed so you can plot out how you're going to deal with it. he may be the one guy who has gone through the process who can do it without any of that. if what tony says is right, he could be in for a long night. >> we don't know which donald trump is going to show up and hillary clinton has to prepare

for both donald trumps. >> it's the small moments. >> what david says is true. having been on a couple debate stages, there are few experiences as a reporter you can have that are as full of tension and pressure. it's like the molecules of the air are charged on the stage. it's amazing. when it goes well, it's incredible. a lot of pressure. >> overpreparing can add to the challenge. if you're trying to be someone you're not, if hillary clinton is trying to present a likable image that breaks through, the pressure is added, to be someone you're not. donald trump, being who he is, could be the antidote. >> when tony says he is incapable of doing things because this is who he is, he is who he is and it will come out. >> whether people want to -- >> i hope to god it comes out. >> i think it has. >> it is a man who is -- whose self-interest has been so clear and consistent throughout his career. the one thing we know about donald trump is when push comes to shove, if you have $20 in

your wallet, he'll go for the $20 to add to his billions. so the point about donald trump is he is not going to bring to this debate a new donald trump. that, i guarantee you. the absence of the new donald trump, jeff, means we're left with somebody who is clearly ill prepared to be president of the utes. >> we'll see tonight night. i want to thank everybody on the panel, especially for coming on a sunday. i'll talk to insiders about how the candidates may be spending the final hours before the deba debate. top of the hour, season premier of anthony bourdain's "parts unknown." president obama shares a beer with anthony in vietnam. that's coming up at 9:00 p.m. there are two billion people

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by all accounts hillary clinton has been prepping intensely for her first face-off with donald trump. it's been her sole focus for the last four days. in 24 hours, it is game on. brian, i know your campaign has been prepping for a debate, couple versions of donald trump,

with a subdued version as well as a combative one. how difficult does that make secretary clinton's job tomorrow night, if she's not sure which version she'll be facing against? >> anderson, i think by donald trump's own telling, he won every primary debate he was involved in. i think there was a simple reason for that. he has a history of being a successful television performer. he sort of charted his moves during the primaries. picked his spots on a crowded debate stage. the entertainment factor carried him. i think in a presidential debate, the stakes are much higher. much more should be expected of him. his team recognized that. i wouldn't be surprised if we saw a subdued trump, who plays the role of someone who can seem presidential. >> how can clinton deal with that? one of her themes, her belief that he doesn't have the judgment to be president, that he can be thrown off and become irate by a tweet. how does she kind of knock him off that?

>> i think that there are two tests that both kand candidates should be graded by tomorrow. when the assessments happen after the debate, you think donald trump needs to have done two things for a passing grade. number one, you have to be clear and detailed about what you want to do as president. hillary clinton put forward h o policies how she'll grow an economy for everyone. donald trump has tried to issue policy to seem like a serious can candidate. he'll be tested about what he wants to do as president. secondly, you have to be straight forward and honest with the american people. we've seen in donald trump somebody that lies 70% of the time, according to "politifect." he was the liar of the year last year. multiple newspaper outlets documented lies he told over the course of the campaign. "politico" said he lied every three minutes he was on the

stump last week. it'll be on lester holt, the commentators who judge the debate afterwards, to put him accountable for the lies hes been te -- he's been telling. >> is it incumbent on hillary clinton to be a fact checker? >> he likes to go around saying she supported open borders and wants to get rid of the second amendment. it's been debunked. he likes to say he was against the intervention in iraq and libya. both false. if any of those come up in the debate tomorrow night, hillary clinton will do her part. when you have somebody lying every three minutes according to "politico," if she only fact checked, she couldn't make the affirmative case. it is the role of the moderator, to make sure there is truth, and that factors into a grading of

trump's performance. >> thank you. donald trump believes you can overprep for debates. mock debates are not his thing. he's been preparing be advisers. we have the chairman of donald trump's national security advisory. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> how is donald trump prepping on the eve of the first debate? be one thing he does is he's thinking about it and has been for some time. he knows the key issues. he's able to focus on what's important to the american people. i believe he's been formulating in his own mind how he's going to handle a lot of the questions for weeks now. >> what about in terms of mock debates,

hillary clinton will continue in that fashion. i'm going to bring change. you are right, american people. this trade policy has not worked for us. you're right, the immigration flow is excessive. it's pulling down wages and hurting our country. you're right, we've got to do better about terrorism. when he stays on those issues, he's going to win the hearts and minds of the american people, i think. >> are you concerned about, though, the level of specificity which he can get into? it's been a frequent criticism of him, certainly by those who don't like him. >> hillary clinton is really good at this. she is one of the most effective spinners. she's got an answer to every question that will come up. it's what she does. she is a wordsmith, a talker, a speech maker. donald trump is a builder, a doer, a person who wants to

achieve things for america. >> but can he really get -- i guess the question is -- >> he will be good at that. >> can he get into specifics of how much the wall will cost, how long it will take? i mean, some of the specifics to which he hasn't gotten into up till now? >> he knows more about building things than hillary clinton, that's for sure. yes, i think he'll have an answer for that. but nobody expects him to know all the details of every policy agency in this government. she will probably attempt to show that he does not know some of the things. i don't think it'll bother the american people any more than it did with ronald reagan. if his heart is right and his vision for america is correct, his vision for the future that will make their wages go up instead of down, i think that'll make -- that's the thing they're going to be look fring for. >> senator sessions, appreciate you being on. >> thank you. how chimpanzees can hold clues to how tomorrow's debates

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difference, it never has anything to do with policy. it's how people carry themselves. do they seem confident or tense or whatever. >> you use lloyd benson. >> i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> benson used the line you are no jack kennedy and the image of quayle looking stunned and small. >> even now he was a much more capable guy than the image suggested. during the primaries. >> what's the third one there? >> he forgot he was going to eliminate it. he showed that he forgot. he looked stricken. >> that are impacts them throughout the rest of the

debate. you used the example of ronald reagan going to jimmy carter and saying there you go again. >> there you go again. >> and the image of reagan was a happy go lucky brushed right by and jimmy carter looked peevish. >> and i was working for jimmy carter until soon before that. i put him on the first debate when he won, but not the time with reagan. he was too small for the mounting up tensions at that time. you had the at ease reagan and tense carter. some say that's not what turned the election, but it felt like it. >> how do you think the idea of how you respond to something as being more important than what you are seeing for a lot of viewers. how does that play? >> it has the potential to be more important than ever before because this is unprecedented in every way.

there never has been a figure like trump. you have every contrast in just a more stark way than man versus woman. somebody with a lot of experience or very controlled to a fault and somebody who is not controlled and somebody in trump's case who drives on the attack and how that will work out when it's a woman of his same generation, the first recommend face-to-face with him. that will be dramatic. >> you talked to jane good all who is known for work with chimpanzees in tanzania. what does she have to reflect? >> the joy of the magazine life is reporting. this is a good way to understand the dominance. she said his rituals are not

just arguing, but intimidating. they were like the dominant chimps. they made opponents cower and when they looked at the republican prioracies, she said it was like the chimps. that's really not -- it was very effective for her. that's not an insult in that it was powerful. >> the language at high end persuasion and presidential speeches is usually the 6th or seventh great level. the bible is very clear and simple. it was good and things like that. donald trump takes us to an extreme. they would say over and over again, we don't win any more, we will lose.

we will build a wall and it the next step up, nobody with this simple discourse has been on the general election stage. we will see if he can pull it off. >> this is the cover story of the atlantic. a reminder the debate starts at 9:00 and you can watch it here on cnn. we will have coverage of the debate and a lot of analysis afterwards. the top of the hour is minutes away. don't miss anthony bourdain, "parts unknown." don't miss a course in vietnamese dining. we'll be right back.

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