>> i'm asking you a question. >> i understand that. it's not anti-semitic to suggest that i denounce these crimes, i they they're horrific. i don't know who is doing them. if you know who is doing it, let's announce it. >> we're not calling it anti-semitic. i know you're here to talk about money and policy. >> i'm hear to talk about anything. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> let's do that. last night president trump talked about wanting a $1 trillion infrastructure plan. that's more than some republicans used to have the stomach for. what do you think now is going to happen with the republican party embracing that? >> i think they'll pass it. what you're finding ability the president, in addition to his disruptive entrepreneurial personality, et cetera's fairly persuasive. what we're learning from him is he'll start to galvanize democrats and republicans around a plan like that. there is a multiplier effect around that which will yield great results for working class families and the middle class.

the democrats are not going to like what i'm about to say, but he's hijacked elements of their playbook from 15 or 20 years ago. they ignored working class families in wisconsin and michigan. he went after them. he's suggesting our roads, bridges and airports are crumbling. andrew cuomo, chris's brother i think would agree with that. why don't we start to repay these roads and create the multiplier effect that we need. i think it's a very sound policy, and i think democrats like senator schumer, if they vote against it, it will be an interesting thing -- >> it does seem like what people have called for. >> i can tell you like it, alisyn. >> i thought you were going to say because i'm wearing purple. >> are you reading body language? is that your specialty? >> what did you give up for lent? >> i gave up talking about religion on television. >> good. this is the last day, because i'm going for ashes right after the show. >> so is chris. you guys can go together.

>> anthony, thank you. >> appreciate it. following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. >> all right. good morning. welcome to your "new day." up front, donald trump striking an optimistic, moderate tone in his first big speech to congress. the president ushering in what he calls a new chapter of american greatness. he was also delivering roadmap of what he says are some of his promises and more to come. >> president trump outlining specifics on overhauling health care and rebuilding the infrastructu infrastructure. he vowed the time is now to compromise on immigration reform. the speech culminating with a very emotional tribute to a fallen navy s.e.a.l. and his widow. you saw the entire chamber standing and applauding for her. we are now in day 41 of the trump presidency. let's begin our coverage with senior washington correspondent joe johns live at the white house. good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning,

alisyn. it was the most important speech of this president's new administration, and he's gotten rave reviews for it so far. it was a different side of the president that called on america to put away the trivial fights. but his call for democrats and republicans to come together, easier said than done. president trump striking a more presidential and optimistic tone. >> i am here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength. >> reporter: in his hour-long speech to a joint session of congress -- >> it is a message deeply delivered from my heart. >> reporter: off the top the president condemning the surge in hate crimes since he took office. >> recent threats targeting jewish community centers and vandalism of jewish cemeteries as well as last week's shooting in kansas city remind us that, while we may be a nation divided on policies, we are a country that stands united in condemning

hate and evil in all of its very ugly forms. >> reporter: spending much of his speech laying out an ambitious agenda. >> everything that is broken in our country can be fixed. >> reporter: his solution, an echo from his campaign, america first. >> buy american and hire american. >> reporter: once again using national security as the basis for his proposed border wall with mexico. >> we want all americans to succeed, but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. we will soon begin the construction of a great, great wall along our southern border. >> reporter: the president touting his deportation efforts of undocumented people with criminal convictions. >> we are removing gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our very innocent citizens. >> reporter: and defending his controversial travel ban halted by a federal court weeks ago.

>> it is not compassion nalt but reckless to allow uncontrolled entry from places where proper vetting cannot occur. >> reporter: signaling he might be open to compromise on immigration. >> i believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible. >> reporter: the president told network news anchors before the speech that he's open to a legal status for millions of undocumented immigrants if they never committed a crime. >> i believe republicans and democrats can work together to achieve an outcome that has alluded our country for decades. >> reporter: on health care the president laying out five points for a plan to replace obamacare. >> we should ensure that americans with pre-existing conditions have access to coverage. >> reporter: arguing that people should be able to buy insurance across state lines and leaning on tax credits to ensure that americans can afford their premiums. >> must be the plan they want,

not the plan forced on them by our government. >> reporter: the president also announcing a huge plan to boost the nation's infrastructure. >> i will be asking congress to approve legislation that produces a $1 trillion investment in infrastructure of the united states financed through both public and private capital creating millions of new jobs. >> reporter: on the war against isis, the president using this controversial reference. >> radical islamic terrorism. >> reporter: even though sources say his new national security adviser urged him not to use radical islamic terrorism in his speech because it alienates muslims. >> extinguish this vial enemy from our planet. >> reporter: the president ending the speech with a very emotional moment, honoring the widow of ryan owens, a navy s.e.a.l. killed last month in yemen saying he was part of a highly successful terror raid. >> ryan is looking down right

now, you know that, and he's very happy because i think he just broke a record. >> the bible teaches us there's no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. >> reporter: the president's speech last night, by its very nature, laying out the big picture with few specifics. today there is a house and senate leadership luncheon scheduled at the white house which suggests it's time to get down to business. alisyn, chris. >> joe, thank you very much for that. our cnn orc poll shows president trump's speech is getting a positive reception. 78% of speech watchers had a positive or somewhat positive reaction to the speech. meanwhile 69% of the viewers said president trump's policies will move the nation in the right direction. >> good. so the style went well.

how about the substance. joining us republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin. he's the chairman of the homeland security and governmental affairs committee and a member of the foreign relations committee. where is your optimismometer center, do you think there could be better days ahead specifically for cooperation between left and right and actually getting things done for american families? >> good morning, chris. i think it's a very aspirational speech and certainly a very strong attempt and a very heartfelt attempt to start unifying the country. i am optimistic. america faces enormous challenges. we're a great country, there are things that unify us. for example, celebrating and showing our appreciation to the wife of a fallen hero. we all want a safe, prosperous, secure america. i think what president trump did, he tried to point to areas of agreement and reach out a

hand. hopefully the democrats will grasp that hand and work with us to start solving these enormous challenges. >> you guys in congress always stand up and applaud rightly when we have guys who have sacrificed at those speeches. the question is do you follow through and take care of them. even owens' widow, the services she needs, the health care the kids will need and the benefits. will you be there for that? immigration was a big theme. the fact basis in the president, i want your take, lawless chaos. you know, senator, immigrants in this country, even illegal ones, undocumented ones, do not commit crimes at the rate of the rest of the citizenry. >> first of all, i'm not sure what your point is. we'll hold a hearing today where americans have been murdered by people in this country illegally. there are americans murdered by

american citizens. i get that point. the first step is enforcing the borders and our laws. once we've secured that border, once we start enforcing our laws, we can take a look at our laws and treat the people here that are working their communities, not committing crimes, treat those people with real humanity. provide some status for them. i'm all for that. i'm all for a robust guest worker program. first and foremost, that eliminates the incentive to come here illegally and will be easier securing the borders and keeping the bad ones out. wet don't have the resolvolving door. that's something we have to stop. >> the reason i'm bringing it up, if you want immigration to be a point of cooperation with democrats, i think you're going to have to agree on what the fact basis of the reality is, and to say it's lawless chaos isn't born out in the

statistics. it creates a fear dynamic and the democrats resist that. that's why i'm bringing it up. >> i understand. i'm a business guy, accountant, i like facts. i like numbers. for example, the bush administration deported about 10 million people. the obama administration about 5 million. what bush did, he concentrated on returning people as soon as they came in to send them right back. president obama let them go through the laborious process of deportation hearings and removals. i think what general kelly will be doing, setting up the operations at the border and return people swiftly so we send the signal to other countries that we are not going to have open borders any longer. and that will end the incentive to come here illegally as well. >> republicans have it both ways with the numbers. some of you say obama was the deporter-in-chief. >> i'm giving you the facts. >> depends how you calculate it. i don't think it's a meaningful

distinction. what you do going forward will be how you're judged. on that basis, what about the idea of increasing legal immigration. therefore, disincentivizing illegal immigration. >> when i talk about a guest worker program, i'm making sure we can match the occupations that quite honestly people are having a hard time filling. in wisconsin, we have dairy farmers. first thing i learned when i started campaigning in 2010 by the dairy farmers is we need our migrant workers. we're having a very difficult time finding people to milk our cows. i think the same can be said in a host of different industries. you want a careful balance. we don't want a legal immigration system that depresses wages. that's one of the reasons i'm for prevailing wage rates for a guest worker process. we had circularity of immigration. we need to get back to the legal process. that's exactly what this administration wants to do. it starts with securing our

border and enforcing our current immigration laws and in the incentives for people to come into the country illegally. families from central america sending children on an incredibly dangerous journey. some don't make it. some are sexually assaulted. we have to end the incentives so we can start a legal process that works for this country and american workers. >> quickly, when do you think we'll see a plan for replacement of the aca? >> it's a difficult process, chris. you realize that. seven years as ago we had a 387,000-word law. now 20 million words infiltrating every nook and cranny. a lot of damage. premiums skyrocketed. i have a young mom in wisconsin had to quit her part-time job to afford her $8,000 premium increase. now she's spending a lot of time away from her kids. there's been a lot of damage. we need to stabilize the

insurance markets. we need to stabilize the markets before 2018. it's a complex process. it's not quite so simple as one stroke with a pen we'll solve the issues. >> three quick points. one, you said you'd do it fast which is why people are expecting it fast. >> i never did, chris. what i said, repair the damage, transition to a process and a system that actually works. >> and also, the idea of the aca is a disaster, it's a disaster. that really is a very selective looking at the facts. you said you're a numbers guy. there's no question premiums have popped for some people. looking at 1.3 to 1.7 million families. that's way too many. but you have other metrics you can look at that show millions more covered, and that the rate of increase of premiums and cost of health care is less than it was in the prior administration. so it's more of a relative assessment which drives the criticism. do you have to throw it all out to make it better? >> first of all, we didn't need

a federal government one size fits all solution to take care of all the people we want to help. we didn't need that. because we had this one size fits all system, we've done a lot of damage, disrupted the individual market, caused rates to skyrocket. we caused people to lose health coverage. remember the promise, if you like your health care plan, you can keep it. that was a lie. if you like your doctor, you can keep him. that also was a lie. we need to transition to a system that will restrain costs, provide better quality and better access. >> that's the new promise, you'll get as many or more people covered and it will be cheaper. we'll see. senator appreciate you making the case as always on "new day." >> have a great morning. >> you too, sir. vice president mike pence is making the rounds this morning, doing all the shows, but not this one. we invited the vice president on "new day." we invite the president on a regular basis. we know he watches the show. he's welcome to be on it.

we're doing our jobs. democrats are slamming some of president trump's hard line immigration policies and his take on obamacare. so we have new dnc chair tom perez. he'll be here to give us his take next.

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obamacare is collapsing, and we must act decisively to protect all americans. >> action is not a choice, it is a necessity. so i am calling on all democrats and republicans in congress to work with us to save americans from this imploding obamacare disaster. >> that's president trump urging republicans and democrats to work together on health care reform. will democrats come to the negotiating table? joining us is the newly elected chairman of the democratic national committee, tom perez. >> great to be with you. >> your democratic colleagues last night, when mr. trump was talking about repealing and replacing obamacare had interesting hand gestures. perhaps we could play those for

our viewers. they're quite cheerful about it, but giving him the thumbs down. i'm no body language expert. it seems as though they are not willing to negotiate with him. why not? why is that their starting position, the thumbs down? >> let's start with the facts. i watched senator johnson. he's living in a parallel universe. the affordable care act has brought the rate of the uninsured to the lowest level ever, 20 million less people without insurance. you look at seniors, they're getting $2,000 in closing the so-called medicare doughnut hole. if you have a loved one who has diabetes, now you don't have to worry about whether they can get insurance. as chris pointed out in his interview, the rate of increase in health care cost has been at its lowest levels in decades. this is the reality that's driveing town hall meetings because the affordable care act has been a lifesaver, not a job

killer. they're living in a parallel universe. >> and yet, it's not perfect. you know there are complaints about obamacare, and some people's premiums have spiked. so why not start from that position of saying let's get together and maybe the republicans have some good ideas that we can use? >> barack obama said, hey, if you have a better plan, show us. what we saw here is they don't have a better plan. eight years ago president obama has already passed the recovery act. we were dealing with issues that had been very serious. donald trump promised, hey, we or going to repeal and replace right away. that hasn't happened. why hasn't it happened? because what they're seeing in their town hall meetings is the affordable care act is indeed not a job killer. it's a lifesaver. if they had come in good faith during the obama administration, we would have been more than open to fixing it.

but that's not what they're about. they want it repealed. here is why. the primary financing mechanism of the affordable care act is a tax on wealthy people. they want to repeal the affordable care act so that you can provide a big giveaway to the wealthy. that is donald trump, that is the far right republican congress, because this is all about, not draining the swamp, but providing more benefits to those who don't need it, the super wealthy. >> i hear you, and i understand there is bad blood left from how it was all handled during the obama administration, but this is a new start. and so what do you suggest? is there no common ground? what do you suggest in moving forward with obamacare? >> they're all about repeal. that's what they want to do. there's no replacement plan. the emperor has no clothes. that's what we have seen. there is no replacement plan because remember, it's important

to understand that the markets that were -- that are at the center of the affordable care act, this was designed originally by the heritage foundation. it was a conservative principle. let's use market-based approaches to health care. we could cover 4 million more people if the states that haven't expanded medicaid would do that. talk to republican governors like the republican governor of ohio. there's an idea that i'd certainly support, get more republican governors to expand medicaid. we can move forward on this, but the reality is they want to simply repeal and do nothing else. >> we'll see. they say they are going to present a plan in the next basically two weeks. so we'll see what the republicans come up with. in the meantime, i want to ask you about something else, another topic that was very highlighted yesterday, and that is immigration and mr. trump's plan for it. mr. trump said something during

a private luncheon with broadcast journalists, many of the anchors of the networks met with mr. trump. they said he was open to finding legal status, not citizenship, but legal status for the majority of the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are here. he didn't mention that last night in his address before congress, but it seems as though there's some sort of room for immigration reform now. how are you going to move forward? >> i judge a person by their actions. everything donald trump has said about immigration has been immigrant baiting. we've seen it through the campaign, through the election. we talked about the wall again last night. what he doesn't talk about are the people he's deporting. he claims to only be deporting serious -- immigrants who have been convicted of a serious crime. that's simply not accurate. you look at the mother of two

citizen children in phoenix. you look at the dreamer in seattle. the immigrant baiting that was a staple in last night's speech was just again another example of the divisive action. if we want to move forward on immigration, let's take the 2014 bill that passed in a bipartisan fashion in the united states senate and put that on the floor and have an up and down vote on that. that would be a proposal that i would certainly support. >> dnc chairman tom perez, thanks so much for being on "new day." >> pleasure to be with you. cnn will host a town hall tonight with two key republican senators, john mccain and lindsey graham have had a lot to say in the past 41 days, since the inauguration. and our dana bash is going to moderate this discussion with them at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. 40 days, same period as lent. we've gotten a claim ps of a

more presidential trump, many say. but is it going to stick? we have an all-star political panel weighing in on what worked, what needs to be done now and what comes next.

president trump giving a speech that was called optimistic. he tells americans to dream big. certainly a stark contrast to his inaugural address. take a look. >> this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> i'm here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength, and it is a message deeply delivered from my heart. >> the wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world. >> a new surge of optimism is placing impossible dreams firmly within our grasp. >> we will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action, solving these and so many other pressing problems will require us to work past the

differences after party. >> all right. let's get the thoughts of our all-star panel. we have cnn political commentator ana navarro, cnn political commentator jennifer saki and white house press secretary ari fleischer. great to have all of you with us. anna, your thoughts on last night's speech. >> whatever they slipped in his coca-cola in the afternoon, they need to keep giving it to him, hopefully intravenously. >> who knew he was capable of sounding sane for a prolonged period of time? who knew he had the attention span to stick to the teleprompter and be coherent? who knew he could be unifying. he was vociferously condemning anti-semitic acts. a great way to start, a so needed way to start. things that are happening around the country in jcc centers, jewish community centers with the gravestones is horrific.

for those of us who oppose him, our expectingations on him were so low and yesterday he really exceeded my expectations on tone. he i thought soundedmental for the first time ever. >> well, a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. a lot of what he put in that speech upset democrats. put a lot of democrats still ill at ease about what he was doing about immigration and other versions of reality. the way he did it wound up changing how it was taken. >> there's a powerful lesson going forward. let's look at what this could mean for the future. thement who enjoys reading his clips and thrives what people are saying about him. if he realizes the power of the presidency derives from strength and leadership, this can be a powerful change now in how donald trump leads. if he does that, as you've seen from the cnn polls last night,

the number of people who watched who believe america is in the right direction under his leadership is increasing sharply. as opposed to last fall when two-thirds of the american people said the country is in the wrong direction. he has the ingredients to be a successful, popular president. a tone like last night will help him get there. >> you bring up cnn polls. last night the white house was tweeting out cnn polls. oh, we're not that fake anymore, are we? >> they meant another network. somebody spelled it wrong. >> the white house was a little less fake last night. >> ari, optimism does have an effect on people, it is contagious. taking a tone of optimism as opposed to fear, then you hear that all the speech watchers felt more optimistic when your leader presents an optimistic view. what did you as a democrat hear? >> it is the best delivery of a speech that president trump has given, no doubt about it.

but there were a lot of pieces, but what did he mean by health care? there were republicans who thought he was endorsing their plan, others who thought thhe w endorsing their plan. the tone was smart and a lot is the expectations game going into any of these speeches. there was either an intervention by his team or maybe he woke up and saw the coverage and wanted to do something different. but the question now is where do you go from here? does he maintain the same tone? what does he do? does he actually have a plan on health care? do the republicans have clear marching orders moving forward. i think what he accomplished is probably unifying the republicans. there's still a lot of questions from the democrats about these policies and what they will do. >> but there was another benefit to the tone, by simply not attacking, he's not cleaning that up today. his people aren't cleaning that up today. even though we got perez and schumer who were like, what did

you hear last night? his ideas are bad, bad, bad. at least the battle is one he can see looking forward, ana, how do i get this other side to do something with me. >> i think he has a battle, how much self discipline do i have to continue being this person. the question today for me is was this a performance or a pivot? we'll season enough. if he starts tweeting again against newspapers and against networks and against hamilton and broadway plays and department stores and all sorts of things, you know it was a performance. >> hasn't tweeted yesterday this morning. >> by the way, hasn't tweeted as far as we know in about 72 hours, ari. any sort of controversial or angry knee-jerk tweet. what does that tell you? >> that's my point about the lesson going forward. if the message is leadership and optimism, the president's power derives more from those two than the counter punch.

the man is the outsider the country sought to fix what's wrong with washington. there are things he's going to learn along the way. if this is one of the lessons to shift from being the counter puncher to win the campaign to being the president who governs for all, it's going to be tremendously successful for him. he has a country that's polarized. there will be people who hate him and always will hate him. there are others who are persuadable. that's the center the president has to push for. >> i get your political reality, you're right. he's going to have to expand his base if he wants to win again. >> or govern. he might be able to win with a narrow base. but he has to govern first. that means give republicans strength. >> he'd have to have a lot of dominos fall the right way to repeat what happened in this election. but you're right, governance. coming out of that you said you have lawless chaos with immigration. he said he's open to a

compromise plan. he said the aca is a disaster. but then he said we've got to work on how to make it better. the democrats are going to have to make a choice. do they want to hear the lawless chaos part only or the compromise part? what do you think the inclination is? >> the inclination coming from democrats coming out of an election they lost is oppose, oppose, oppose. right now it's not just democrats versus republicans, it's republicans versus republicans on a lot of plans. they don't have an agreement on health care. that's why the affordable care act is still alive. that surprises me, surprises many people who worked for president obama. they don't have a specific path forward on another objective, tax reform. if you talk to republicans on the hill, that's not something that's going to maybe come up until next year. they need to get their own house in order and figure out what their plan is or if there is a plan. democrats will look at the specifics and look at the details and see if this is something that will make sure people have health care, will

still make sure middle class taxes are protected. we'll see how that goes. >> were there specifics in policy you liked? >> i like the rumors about immigration that came out yesterday during lunchtime but he didn't mention in detail during the speech. one of my criticisms would be, would it kill you to say one good thing about one immigrant at least? it's sad to me he uses these platforms to paint with a very broad brush all immigrants and focus on criminals and murderers and doesn't focus on positive stuff. >> panel of all-stars, thank you very much. great to talk to all of you. this is the moment that had both sides of the aisle unified. this was the president's tribute to a fallen navy s.e.a.l. and his widow and her very emotional response. we'll show you more next.

a brother and sister from arizona traveling to washington to listen to president trump's speech. the mother of those two teenager is hundreds of miles away in

mexico after being recently deported over a 2008 non-violent felony. cnn national correspondent paulo sandoval has their story. >> keep fighting and being the voice for their mother sought of the border this morning. >> jackie and an el ray yoes garcia traveled to washington to hear the president speak after the deportation of their mother under his new immigration policy. >> it was sad seeing how people were blinded. it was sad seeing how people agreed with him. >> president trump's rousing speech to congress taking place on their mother's 36th birthday. >> told her happy birthday and i loved her a lot and i miss her. >> she told us she's really proud of us. >> we first met her in mexico earlier this month, just after immigration officials acted on a

2013 order to deport her. the 36-year-old was arrested in 2008 and later pleaded guilty to making up a social security number on a job application. that's a non-violent felony. immigration and customs officials detained her. >> deporting gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our very innocent citizens. >> what he said, it was a lie. it's not just the bad people he's taking out, it's everyone in general. >> reporter: arizona congressman hopes to send this message to president trump. >> these are kids, and his policy really has destroyed their lives. his policy did not make this country safer by deporting guadalupe. >> reporter: working to get jackie and angel's mother back home to the u.s., but with a ten-year ban in place before she can legally re-enter, chances

are many more birthdays will be celebrated apart. >> we're not afraid. we're going to stand up for our community. >> i won't stop fighting until things change. >> what comes next for reyes-garcia? her sister has petitioned to have her brought to the united states. i'm told that as long as the felony remains on her record, the chances of that happening any time soon are very slim. >> important story polo. heartbreaking for that story. but a counterfactual to what the president painted as lawless chaos. probably the most emotional moment of the night was an obvious one. the navy s.e.a.l. widow trying to hold it together. you remember the yemen raid. we lost a navy chief in it. so how do you make sense of this moment? why was it so popular and what does it mean going forward next?

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very emotional moment last night. president trump honoring fallen navy s.e.a.l. ryan owens who was killed last month in a terror raid in yemen. his grief-stricken widow karen received long and sustained applause. >> ryan died as he lived, a warrior and a hero, battling against terrorism and securing our nation. ryan's legacy is etched into

eternity. thank you. [ applause ] >> let's discuss -- >> that applause went on. in several different iterations the president joked that ryan was looking down and he was happy because he probably broke a record. >> let's bring in lieutenant general mark hertling and cnn military analyst general james "spider" marks. general, let me start with you. you see karen owens at times looking up to the heavens for strength while she was making it through, everyone in the chamber honoring her and clapping. she's clapping for her husband there. it obviously was impossible not

to be moved by this. what did you think of this moment? >> what i'd say, alisyn, it was a powerful reminder to all americans of the sacrifices that service members and their family make. i'm sure from this point forward, her husband is going to be frozen in her memory at this time in his life. he will not grow up. they will not grow old together. he will not see his children grow old. he will be there with her forever. and we've all experienced that, those of us who have worn the cloth of the country multiple times when we see family members grief their loved ones who have been killed in combat, fact tiesing their lives for the country. it was an extremely powerful reminder, but also a reminder to all leaders and the president that you have to be humble and seriously mindful about the business of leading and you mutt really adhere to the values of

what we're all about when you're commanding the nation's sons and daughters. >> that takes us to the hard part of the analysis. out don't want to disrespect the memory of the men and women lost in battle, spider. but you want to be honest in your appraisal of why it happened. we know there are military tribunals going on looking at it, as is often the case. the father of the fallen s.e.a.l. wasn't there for a reason. he wants a different investigation. what was your take on the president's explanation recently for what happened there and his seeming desire to shift responsibility for this? let's play some of a recent interview. >> this was a mission that was started before i got here. this was something that they just wanted to do. they came to see me, explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who are very respected. my generals are the most respected we have had in many decades, i believe.

and they lost ryan. >> they lost ryan is the line getting the scrutiny. your take? >> chris, good morning. i think, first of all, my dear friend mark hertling nailed it. what ms. owens represents is all of those sacrificed in all of our conflicts, overall these wars, and this continual state of conflict we're a part of. this is not going away. there will be additional loss. to your point about the mission's success, i'm not going to second-guess the department of defense, the intelligence community, the central command and the special operations command who are going to derive intelligence from this mission. so let's agnostically acknowledge that there was an objective and that they went after that objective and the level of success will be evaluated. was there a loss of life? absolutely. were others injured? yes. was there collateral damage? yes. we have to acknowledge that these are the costs associated with conducting operations in

order to protect our nation. so we get that. clearly, the father of ryan, that is always a difficult, difficult -- when you bury your childr children. when an old man buries his son. my bride's parents -- it's a very tough emotional requirement. i understand the spread of emotions that we saw. but this is an opportunity to realize that there are costs associated with protecting this nation, and it is about leadership and moving forward together. >> general hertling, bill owens, the father of ryan, he, himself, is a veteran of the navy and of the army. he understands the sacrifices and the cost. but it sounds like there's more than just brief talking when he's giving his comments. i'll read them for everyone. why at this time did there have

to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into mr. trump's administration? why? for two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in yemen. everything was missiles and drones? because there was not a target worth one american life. now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display? what do you think of his comments? >> i can understand his grief, but he doesn't quite have the facts straight. we have had forces, special operations forces in yemen and monitoring that situation. it is a terribly intense al qaeda area, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. all parents have grief after their children are killed in combat. when special operations command plans a mission and when it goes all the way up to the president for decision making and he has to make a call -- remember, alisyn, mr. obama was slammed multiple times for holding the

reins too tight. babe this is why. you have to make the tough calls. i talked to the special operations and centcom community, this was a good mission going in. it had been planned for a long time, rehearsed on multiple occasions. i think we're going to see some good information out of it. >> that's very good context. >> at the end of the day, good mission, the president owns it, he's the final word. >> thank you very much. cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow and john berman picks up after the break. thanks for starting the day with "new day." whole nuts,e've used real ingre, and natural flavors from the very beginning. give kind a try. i love how usaa gives me the and the security just like the marines did. at one point, i did change to a different company with car insurance, and i was not happy with the customer service.

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