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registration systems, electoral systems in arizona and illinois, in florida as well, a contractor there hacked tied to the voting system. the intel community never found evidence that russia had changed the votes of the election. this nsa report, which is just dated a couple of weeks ago in may, gives more details about these probing attacks of electoral systems. it does not make a conclusion. it does not say that they successfully changed volter tallies. but it does give more details about how many places they were looking to get into these systems. that information in itself is alarming enough. because it shows that beyond just stealing e-mails and releasing them, which of course had its own unmeasured affect on the election, that they were looking as to where else they could penetrate the systems. that's a concern not just looking back to 2016, anderson, but looking forward to 2018 and 2020. because the one thing i hear consistently from u.s. intel

officials is that russia will target u.s. elections again. >> the leaker, a woman whose legal name is reality winter, what do know about her? >> 25-year-old contractor working in augusta, georgia, close to a big nsa facility down there. really how the authorities found her is interesting. she apparently printed out this classified nsa document. shared it -- the intercept says anonymously with them. when that intercept reporter got it, that reporter then showed it to another contractor and said, is this real? that contractor shared it with his bosses, in effect, who looked at it and drew some clues from it. one being a very simple one, that there appeared to be a crease in the image which gave them an indication this had been printed out. they went to look who printed it out. it was a half dozen people in that unit that had printed it out. they were able through some other detective work to trace it back to this 25-year-old.

we know she faced a court today. she's got a court appointed lawyer. cnn has spoken to her mother. she's now facing very serious charges. >> jim sciutto, appreciate that. three days before a prifsh ivot moment. james comey will testify. what he says could shape what happens from here on out. today the white house said it would not try to stop him. more on that from jessica schneider. >> reporter: james comey's testimony will proceed unimpeded. >> president trump will not assert executive privilege regarding james comey's scheduled testimony. >> reporter: he will speak to the senate intelligence committee thursday before moving into a closed session. for lawmakers the questions about his conversations with the president have been mounting. >> we want to find out what comey was thinking. if he thought it had risen to that level of obstruction. if it had, why hadn't something been done? why didn't he act while he was fbi director? was that concern basically filed away for what purpose? >> reporter: lawmakers plan to

probe his relationship with president trum ap and whether t president urged him to stop the probe into michael flynn and flynn's ties to russia. >> the tone, the exact words that were spoken and the context are so important. that's what we lack right now. we can only get that by talking to those directly involved. >> reporter: sources say comey kept detailed memos about his interactions with the president, a source close to comey's thinking said comey felt disturbed by his conversations with the president but believed he had the situation mr control. director of national intelligence coats and mike rogers will testify wednesday when the senate intelligence committee holds a hearing on expiring surveillance powers. the russia investigation will be a focus. >> there's a lot of smoke. we have no smoking gun at this point. but there's a lot of smoke. one of the questions that we will have not only for director comey on thursday but on wednesday for director of

national intelligence coats and nsa director admiral rogers, i'm going to want to ask them, because there are been reports the president also talked to both of them in terms of asking them to downplay the russian investigation. that would be very concerning to me. >> reporter: rod rosenstein is se set to testify. he told members of congress it's possible robert mueller might expand his probe into the firing of director comey. last week, rosenstein promised to recuse himself from overs overseeing mueller. >> senate intelligence chairman burr says he talked with james comey. >> senator burr has talked several times. burr says he expects comey will speak about his conversations with president trump but also chairman burr says special counsel mueller has not talked

comey from talking about the russia probe. the testimony woucould be broad. burr and warner have melt with andrew mccabe. they asked him to hand over memos comey kept. >> thanks. joining us is congressman jim himes. the fact president trump will not exercise his executive privilege to prevent comey from testifying, does that surprise you? politically, the optics would not have looked good. >> yeah. it doesn't surprise me. the people i know, lawyers who know the ins and outs of executive privilege tell me it would be strange to exert it against somebody who is a private citizen. u as you point out, had the white house said that it would have looked very bad. it was interesting. this is the first time i've been

involved in this investigation for a while now and had is the first time i can remember the white house actually taking what seems to me to be the right approach, which is let's -- if there's nothing to hide, let's get all the information out. let's not stop anybody from testifying. let's not criticize the people doing the investigation. i'm glad that this has taken the turn it has. of course, getting the specifics of what the president said to jim comey, whether jim comey said he wasn't under vest gas s investigation need to get answered. >> looking forward to thursday's testimony. what questions do you hope to have answered and what kind of an impact will it have on your committee's investigation, do you think? >> i think we need to know the specifics of everything that was said by the president to jim comey, not just what may have been attempts to slow down, to impede the investigation. again, we have the president himself saying that part of the reason that he fired jim comey was because of the pressure of the investigation. it was odd.

we got those two or three different explanations for the firing. one of them included the fact that he was -- that he was bothered by the investigation. we need to know what other pressure may have been put on what else the president may have said and what jim comey said. the president alleges that jim comey said three times that he was not under investigation. we will want to know about that. obviously, get those memos. it would not surprise me if jim comey memorialized these weird conversations in memorandums. we need to see those. >> does the house intelligence committee have any interviews scheduled as part of the investigation into russia? last week, some interviews were scheduled but canceled by adam schi schiff. >> that's actually not accurate. i'm not quite sure how that story gained momentum. the fact of the matter is the investigation is going very, very well. mike conaway and adam are working well together. there was a little blip there when there were subpoenaed

issued by the chairman, around this whole issue of unmasking. that presumably has nothing to do with -- i would hope has nothing to do with the russia investigation since the chairman has said he will not involve himself in that investigation. we are proceeding. we're at a point in time in the house investigation right now where we are getting documents and reviewing documents. you don't want to interview witnesses until you have all the documentation so that you can ask informed questions and really be strategic about the order in which you interview witnesses. obviously, we will work closely with senator warner and senator burr to make sure we're not duplicatiing efforts and make sure we have all the information the other committee has. i think it's going well. >> did you know that chairman nunes could still issue subpoenas? he stepped aside from leading the russia investigation. it surprised people in the public. do you think he should have that power? >> well, this was a technical

glitch that developed. we all knew about it. under the rules of the committee, the chairman issues subpoenas. if you are really observing a recusal as he said he would do, you would delegate the authority for russia related subpoenas to mike conaway. you would hope it would be him in conjunction with a democrat. you could have the committee vote on subpoenas. that's not what happened. in fact, devin nunes signed the subpoenas that were russia related. that doesn't look right. and issued other subpoenas that were about the so-called unmasking allegations he has been making for a while. i hope when we get back that we can come to a cleaner way of some combination of mike and adam doing the work to issue the subpoenas. >> congressman, thanks very much. the string of presidential tre tweets that have ignited a controversy. you wouldn't put up with an umbrella that covers you part way,

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overseas. more from jim acosta. >> we will defeat the terrorists. >> reporter: with london still reeling from a terrorist attack, the white house is defending president trump's stinging tweet slamming the mayor. asked about the president's tweet, seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of london says there's no reason to be alarmed. >> the point is there is a reason to be alarmed. >> reporter: sarah sanders insisted the president did not intentionally mischaracterize the mayor's response to the attack. >> i don't think that's actually true. i think the media wants to spin it that way. >> reporter: listen to the context. the mayor was urging londoners not to be alarmed about beefed up security after the attack. >> londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few daze. no reason to be alarmed. >> reporter: in his response to london, the president renewed his pitch for a ban on travellers coming in from six majority muslim countries, the same ban tied up in courts. justice department should ask for an expedited hearing of the

travel ban before the supreme court and seek tougher version the president tweeted adding people the lawyers and courts can call it whatever they want, but i'm calling it what we need and what it is, a travel ban. the president's use of the term travel ban directly contradicts his own aides. >> this is not a muslim ban. it's not a travel ban. it's a vetting system to keep america safe. >> from that podium sean spicer said it's not a travel ban. is it a travel ban? >> i don't think the president cares what you call it. the bottom line is, he is trying to protect the citizens of this country, the danger is extremely clear. >> reporter: top white house officials insist the media are too focused on the president's tweets. >> this obsession with covering everything he said on twitter and little of what he does as president -- >> reporter: kellyanne conway's own husband who is under consideration to become solicitor general, said the tweets may jeopardize the administration's push for the

ban. they make some people feel better he tweeted. but they certainly won't help the solicitor general get five votes in the supreme court, which is what actually matters. sad. jim acosta, cnn, the white house. >> let's get perspective from dana bash and david gergen. the idea that the american public should discount the president of the united states's own words shared directly on social media in favor of spin from his staffers making the morning show rounds seems ridiculous, particularly in light of the fact that for months they have been extolling the virtues of his direct access to the american people, extolling the virtue of his ability to tweet. >> absolutely. i don't know about you, but -- do you have the sense the president is becoming more irrational in his tweeting? sort of busting loose whenever he can? >> this was all about infrastructure and he is not tweeting about that. >> exactly.

threatening his own case before the supreme court. that's perhaps the most serious part of this by the tweets on the travel ban. he is disagreeing not only with his aides, representatives from justice department who are arguing the president's case in court. they have been arguing to the courts that this is a pause in order to strengthen the vetting process and not a travel ban. for the president to come in this way only weakens his case. he has lost doing this once before. we have seen this before. the other thing, anderson, i do think that it's not helping his reputation around the world and not helping america's reputation, frankly. to pick a gratuitous fight with the mayor of london. nobody got into a fight or picked a fight with rudy giuliani, the mayor of new york after 9/11. >> exactly. >> what we should be doing is rallying and unifying the

western nations in the fight against terrorism. we have do this together. >> yeah. dana, had the president of pakistan attacked rudy geiulian after 9/11 -- >> or the prime minister of great britain. >> it would be huge national outrage in the united states. >> as it would have been. no question about it. the president made a mistake. he misheard or misunderstood what he was watching on cable television in the morning from the london mayor. the london mayor was very clearly not saying people should not be worried about terrorists. he was saying, virtually the same kind of thing that rudy giuliani said after 9/11, which is we are going to have increased police presence when we saw in new york and around the country. it's okay. they are there to protect you. on the tweets about the supreme court, i have to say, of course, his instinct, which he thinks and did sort of follow him down the path to becoming president,

is be politically incorrect. it's one thing to be politically incorrect, it's another thing to cross the line when you are president of the united states and clearly jeopardize a supreme court case which is why george conway came out and did what he did. >> david, the president in one of his tweets about the travel ban is saying, they changed it, they shouldn't have changed it, it should have been the original. he is the president of the united states. he is the they. >> he signed the order. >> it's like he's a passenger. he's watching this and just -- he is watching it on cable and he just decides to tweet along with the hosts on fox and friends. >> it couldn't be more bizarre. i do think going back to your original point, the white house can't have it both ways. they can't claim this is a very important channel for reaching 30, 40, 50 million americans, the way he communicates.

but don't take it seriously. you shouldn't cover it. that's nonsense. >> right. the thing about it, so many of the arguments is we are it yods f idiots for paying attention. the american people are obsessed. they have been arguing again for months that we should be obsessed, that it -- that's the agenda, it sets policy. >> can i just say, i think you are on to something when you say that he is acting as if it's not the same administration. because somebody said to me in looking at this, remember what got him so angry back several months ago is when his own attorney general recused himself from russia. that infuriated -- not just russia. recused himself from everything that had to do with the campaign. that infuriated the president. the fact that he tweeted today and did something that did jeopardize the justice

department was part of that fury continuing and sending a message to his own justice department through twitter. >> thank you. >> that's true. there's a difference. that is when he first got angry at sessions, it was because he wasn't told he never checked. >> he didn't think he did the right thing. >> the president signed it. >> we have to -- we are over time. coming up, our legal team weighs in on what they brought up, whether presidential tweets will be the undoing of his travel ban.

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>> it wasn't a travel ban. it was a travel pause. >> it's not a muslim ban. >> 325,000 people from another country can't come in. that's not a ban. >> what about the 46 majority muslim countries that are not included? right there it totally undercuts this nonsense that this is a muslim ban. >> apparently the president forgot it's not a travel ban. this latest tweet came just hours after another quote, people the lawyers and courts can call it whatever they want. i am calling it what we need and what it,a travel ban. not only is it a travel ban, it's a travel ban all caps exclamation point. joining us jeffrey toobin and laura coats. it is a travel ban, it's not a travel ban, how much does it matter legally speaking? >> it's not helpful to the trump administration. i don't think it's fatal to their case before the supreme court. remember, the real problem is if he would have said this was a muslim ban. this is not, according to the

administration, a muslim ban. a travel ban is a less problematic phrase. but it's still suggestive of the improper motive that the lower courts found, which raises something that the administration would rather not deal with, as this case comes before the supreme court. >> professor, these tweets from the president do they undermine his justice department's case as it heads to the supreme court? >> i think they do to a substantial degree. there are three issues that the supreme court will confront. is there standing, number one? and on that issue, he says that the first travel ban is as good as the second ban. that's just wrong. the first travel ban really gives standing to green card holders whereas the second travel ban eliminates green card holders. it makes it a much harder case for standing. second, religious discrimination. that's the same essentially in both the old and the new. and third, establishment of religion. that, too, is much better from

the trump administration's point of view in the second travel ban than in the first, because it doesn't have this special exception for discriminated against christians. i think he is wrong if he thinks he has as good a shot on the first ban as the second ban. i also think that will alienate the court. i think the courts actually thought it was a good thing that he tried to amend the ban to make it more constitutional. >> laura, the wlihite house security aide was on. >> it's social media. >> it's not social media. it's his words, his thoughts. >> it's not policy. it's not an executive order. it's social media. understand the difference. >> what about that? is there a difference between a tweet and actual policy? >> that's an absurd statement he made. it suggests we can't take the president's words at face value. we must ignore them unless they are are under official context.

the president's statements in his tweet or whatever preferred method of communication he uses can still be used against him in a sense. here you've got prior to his tweets the real argument was whether or not the candidate trump, the campaign rhetoric would undermine the ability to put forth a travel ban. now you've got the idea of now presidential donald trump making the same statements and undermining the suggestion that says, do not look behind the curtain, those statements are simply on the campaign trail. look at the actual facially neutral executive order he has put forth. that undermines that almost fatally because it does the very thing that the justice department said it did not do, which is say, listen, this was an attempt very similar to what giuliani said to make it sound pretty and constitutional. it does neither. >> i think it's worth remembering that never in the history of the united states supreme court has the court

looked at campaign rhetoric to decide where something is constitutional. here we have an executive order where the attorney general, the secretary of state, the secretary of homeland security have all said, this is necessary for the national security. it deals with immigration, which is an area that the president has great latitude in. i think the supreme court is going to be very reluctant to overturn that given how much discretion the president had regardless of what he said during the campaign or in these tweets. >> we're not basing it on campaign rhetoric any longer. we're basing it on now post-inauguration, president actually incumbent in the office, we're basing it on what he is saying now. it's not -- >> he didn't say anything about muslims. >> if you would, my point was actually not that he said anything about muslims. of his statement is that it's about the presidential statements that he is making. the issue was the campaign rhetoric is off the table. now it's about what he said while president. >> professor? >> you are missing the point.

you are missing the point. a travel ban is constitutional. the president has the authority to institute a travel ban. he is saying it's a travel ban. if it were a ban on muss liplim would start with indonesia. it's a ban -- a travel ban temporary to be sure on islamic terrorists. it may be overbroad because it includes seven of the eight countries that the obama administration itself listed as somewhat risky. but nothing he said in the tweets in any way supports the notion that this is a muslim ban. they do say it's a travel ban. >> jeff, george conway, kellyanne conway's husband, it's interesting, he withdrew his name to a senior justice department position, he tweeted on monday saying these tweets may make some people feel better, but they certainly won't help officer of solicitor general get five votes which is what actually matters. sad. what do you make of the fact that this is coming from a close

ally of the president and the husband of kellyanne conway? >>reels at the family dynamics behind that tweet. i think george conway is right. the administration would have been bet are off had the president not made these tweets. we're having this disagreement about whether the tweets are really bad for the administration's case or only a little bit bad. i tend to think they're only a little bit bad. but it's true that it would have been better off for administration if the president had never done it. >> jeff, laura, professor, appreciate it. thank you all. coming up, we go to london in the latest of the terror investigation. two of the three killers have been identified. the cities mourn the seven dead. rickie fowler is confident on the course and off.

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british police have identified two of the three men responsible for the terror attack. cla ris is one of the attackers was on the radar of british authorities? >> reporter: he was, anderson. in a significant way. he is a 27-year-old who was born in pakistan but spent most of his life here in the united kingdom. he lived in the east of london. he was part of a group known as al mahajaroon. it was a group of young extremists who fell under the spell of a hate preacher. for many years now they have been very well-known here in the united kingdom. they would stage rallies, burn flags, you know, pray very publically, often unfurling the black flag that's commonly associated with the extremist islamist ideology. he even appeared in a documentary that aired last year called the jihadis next door.

certainly, he was well-known to authorities. but what authorities here are saying is, well, he was part of that group, but he wasn't one of the ones that we thought were trouble makers. he was the quiet one. we didn't know that he was planning an attack. certainly, this is raising some questions, for sure. >> what's known about the other two terror i haves? >> well, interestingly, very little. this is where it becomes interesting in terms of trying to piece together how these three men knew each other. one man we don't know anything about. the police have identified him but they're not publically identifying him. although, it appears he may have been carrying an irish identity card with him. the second man we know only as rachid redaouane. he does not necessarily fit into the same profile as the other member. just to give you more clarity on

this group, one terror analyst said that 50% of terror plots in the uk have actually involved members of this group. so this is a group that is very well-known. for years, they were dismissed by many people as sort of clowns with gowns. they were over the top. they were considered silly almost or posturing. it's clear that they should be taken on one level very seriously. >> stay with us. i want to bring in others. paul, what have you been learning? >> one of the other things we have been learning from our colleague who spent time investigating this group in 2014, 2015 and 2016 and met with butt, one of the london attackers, was that he was very, very close in this group to a british extremist. he left the uk in october 2014

and went and joined isis and then started climbing up the ranks of isis. he may have been the ring master in a january 2016 isis execution video. why is this interesting to investigators? it is because isis have claimed this attack. i think there's a possibility here that this london attacker, butt, could have been in touch with his very close friend who had climbed up the ranks of isis and is still believed to be in and around raqqah, syria. that all raising the possibility if he was in touch that he could have uploaded some kind of video to the group. we have seen that before in these kind of attacks. so far, nothing that the investigation has uncovered is suggesting communication to isis. i would not be surred surprised if we see that emerge. >> time and time after the wake

of events like these, we learn that they were on the radar of intelligence but they frankly just don't have enough personnel to track all the people that are potential suspects. >> that's right. that's often the case. it's the case with one of the three. this investigation is different than the ones that we're used to. the second terrorist identified appears to sort of come out of the blue in some ways to law enforcement agencies. there wasn't a lot of knowledge about him. it doesn't appear like he was under surveillance. the third identified but not disclosed person, which is just rare for law enforcement to come out with two of the three. they know who he is. is he a minor? have they not notified next of kin? is there an investigation in another country? we don't know. this is sort of a combined terrorist attack, i guess i would say. the known folks or the known

person and then some new people. i think the big question is, how did the three of these people come together and plan acoordinaaco-or coordinated attack on a saturday night? >> this is the third terror attack in the united kingdom in three months. the second in london involving vehicles as weapons. do we know if any of them are connected? >> according to the british prime minister, there's no connection between these three attacks. she made the point that in the same amount of time another five attacks have been foiled. she's trying to show that british security services are pulling their weight, they're doing everything they can in the face of a very are following or investigating 23,000 people. a huge amount of people involved with extremist activity. they have been doing this

against the backdrop of major spending cuts to the police forces here. it's not without its challenges. i do think some real questions remain. paul brought up the man who went to join isis in syria and iraq. i interviewed him back in 2014. i also thought he was sort of a clown in a gown. i did not take him seriously. the police had taken away his passport and yet he was able to get to isis territory and went on to become at least in the propaganda videos the next jihadi john. there are real questions about why more action hasn't been taken sooner to prevent this sort of thing from happening. >> appreciate the reporting. thank you very much. president trump's tweets on the london attack, what he did not say about nato and how it all could be making it awkward for the defense secretary and his national security adviser right now. ♪since i came to know you baibe ♪i've been telling you how sweet you're.♪

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>> reporter: is this why the united states needs a travel ban? >> i need to look into it. >> around the same time as we showed you earlier the president took a much different approach. he went on a tweet storm. mattis blindsided by the president's speech. he made no mention of the u.s. commitment to article five of the nato alliance which says an attack against one member is an attack against all. applicanto said it was in the speech but president trump did not say it. that surprised mattis along with national security advisor and secretary of state tillerson. just moments ago vice president pence spoke at dinner telling the crowd that now is the time for nato to stand united and stand strong in the wake of the terror attacks. david is back with us. you worked for a lot of presidents, seen many national security team come and go. have you ever seen top advisors having to do this much damage

control so soon? >> no. and this whole story about having the speech change at the last minute, the sentence dropped. it's been very disturbing on several levels. it has badly hurt u.s. relationship with nato. the administration was trying very hard, mcmaster and mattis and tillerson have been trying very, very hard to repair things to say that we do support article five and very importantly they have been seen as the real adults and a stabilizing force, those three men have enormous credibility and to undercut them really damages the presidency itself. it damages the credibility of the president. nobody knows -- if you listen to mattis or to trump, if they disagree with each other, which one should you believe?

this president really does not listen to the people around him. he goes his own way. now some people say that's terrific. if you talk to the gentleman like mcmaster and mattis and tillerson, i will guarantee you they have some thoughts that are not quite so happy and they're keeping -- trying to keep them to themselves. >> the fact that president took any mention of article five out of his nato speech without notifying his national security advisors, what kind of an impact does that have or does it? >> anderson, we took a great deal of comfort in the fact that the president chose a couple of military guys to be in key positions. they were experienced, savvy, they relied on their values and character. and we all thought he's going to listen to them in areas where he doesn't have as much as experience or savvy. it doesn't appear that that's happening. mcmaster is one of many people in a room. he is the national security

advisor which means he gives advice along with several other people on national security. he is up against the ideal logs. he's given common sense solutions or solutions based on his years of experience they're not being taken. we've seen secretary mattis being short changed not only in the nato article five that you just mentioned but in the last week, secretary mattis gave an amazing speech to our allies and as soon as he was finished he was being questioned about are these the policies of the united states or is what the president's saying the policy of the united states and what are the differences? and he was put in quite a few spots, not just the one where the reporter said what's your view on the travel ban that he knew nothing about at the time. so all of these things are causing confusion, much like sean spicer or kellyanne conway not getting the word. i think our military folks in the administration are as confused as well and unfortunately we have a president that doesn't seem to be taking responsibility for

anything and what concerns me is what might happen when there's a real crisis. we wake up every morning and there's something new going on but there hasn't been an extreme crisis in national security yet but there will be if past presidents are any indication. >> you've worked in white house before. it seems like they're organized differently and there's a structure that does not apparently exist so that everybody gets on the same page to even the same page of what the president is thinking or maybe the president just changes his mind after they all think they're on the same page? >> that's true. there is no -- maybe there's a structure inside but all indications and everybody inside has been telling us it's chaotic. you don't know from one hour to the next exactly where you're going to careen down the road in one direction or another. and the president gives directions and then changes his mind and that sort of thing. the most successful

administrations have been which have been ones in which foreign policy is highly structured. that began under president eisenhower in the 1950s. coming in as a general he organized in a classic way the structure in the white house and it has worked extremely well for most presidents. once you depart from that and it's a free -- it's just a jump bowl on everything, it can be a mess. jimmy carter experienced some of that and it really hurt him. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back. you wouldn't believe what's in this kiester. a farmer's market. a fire truck. even a marching band. and if i can get comfortable talking about this kiester, then you can get comfortable using preparation h. for any sort of discomfort in yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it.

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thanks for watching. time to hang things over to done lemon and cnn tonight. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking news a federal contractor charged with leaking top secret information. this is cnn tonight. i'm done lemon. 25-year-old reality lee winner accuse of classifying an memo on russian hacking. not once but twice in the wake of saturday's terror attack shooting himself on the foot in his travel ban, contradicting his own team and saying it exactly isn't what they say it isn't. let's get more to breaking news here. all of them join me. good evening to you. jim, there's