ages 15 to 34. for this week's cnn hero an emergency doctor it is a reality that pushed him to take action in and out of the hospital. meet dr. rob gore. >> i don't like pronouncing people dead. it's probably the worst thing that i have ever had do. i want to preserve life. when i see patients coming in with violent injuries, when somebody looks like you from your neighborhood you realize i don't want this to happen anymore. what do we do about it? >> for more go to cnnheros.com. i'll see you back here tomorrow. good evening. we begin with breaking news from the white house. john kelly denying the report that he used the word idiot to describe the president.

pamela brown joins us with details. >> senior administration official tells my colleague that john kelly told senior national security officials he believed the president was becoming unhinged assigned that kelly has grown increasingly. he made the comment in a moment of frustration calling the president unhinged in a meeting with jim mattis and security council officials. they say he was determined to get u.s. troops out. >> what is john kelly saying? >> it was a report he called the

president an idiot in a recent meeting. said i spent more time than anyone else and we have a strong relationship. he always knows where i stand and he and i both know this story is total bs. i'm commit today the president, his agenda and our country. it is a another pathetic attempt to distract from the administration's many successes. he denieded the president called kelly unhinged. he has sez it's not a word kelly would use and kelly wouldn't tolerate that kind of criticizing as someone who served in the military as a marine. he did knowledge that they do have disagreements from time to time as any chief of staff and president would.

>> i understand the president is also tweeting his response. >> and the president took to twitter in the wake of his response. they say using only unnamed sources that don't exist they are totally unhinged and makes them do and say things. it is a consistent theme saying that the sources don't exist. this is his chief of staff especially when the report broke when the president and john kelly were in the oval office

together. >> it is another intans of john kelly and what's the relationship here? you'll remember his remark that trump's views have wed with immigration. it was the fact he was in hot water and then held those off. some of those leaked out. the fact they had direct access to the president i will say there are others. i spoke to kelly's deputy about this as well who sort of pushed

back at that saying look, these men have mutual respect for each other. yes, they disagree. it doesn't mean that the president wants kelly out or that kelly wants to leave. it sorlt of depends who you talk to in terps of understanding. >> all right. stay with us. i know you rb talking to sources as well. what's the latest you're hearing? complaining about kelly privately for a number of reasons. he was unhappy when he told them

and he felt kelly botched the rob porter security issue. he didn't like the way kelly isolated him from his friends. he used to call his friends all of the time. i'm told that now some times he retreats to the situation room to call his friends so he can have some prove si. >> the president goes into the situation room to get away from chiefs of staff? >> i'm told by one friend of the president and on more than one occasion he has been called by the president from the situation room, yep. >> wow. >> you does any of this ring true to you that he might be

frus raided even going so far as calling the president unhinged? he has been brought up with demeanor are all important because it helps us establish trust. the other thing that's important is personalities matter and context is important when you're talking about how you deal with certain people. when i was working with general kelly and he was in western iraq his demeanor was alms caways ca. i can imagine that the stressors of the white house are greater than any of us might have experience until combat. i'm sure there is time of venting of frustrations. maybe some of these sources

you're hearing from. >> it was a fairly short order. how rattled does it get? >> he does not like it to say the least. officials i speak with say oftentimes a president will be more focused on the negative publicity than what it is actually about. he doesn't like it when there are negative stories surrounding people close to him. he views it as a distraction. i think you can see that reflected not only with the president taking to twitter but also in the on the record statement from the chief of staff himself which is pretty unusual. that's not something you get every day despite all of the numerous stories that are out there. >> how much has kelly's

influence -- you know, we heard all of the story about the president kind of feeling more capable to do stuff on his own or the issue with the phone, if kelly were to every leave is there any indication that the president believes he even needs another chief of staff? >> i think the president probably believes that he can trun white house by himself if way he ran the trump organization, however, there's no doubt if kelly were to leave he would need another chief of staff. that person would have to understand this is a different donald trump they are dealing with. this is someone who believes he's got it. he is bringing in people he wants, he's comfortable with. that's why for example he wanted, you know, he wanted his personal doctor to go run the va for example and that he thinks he can do it alone.

he is the one, make no mistake about it, any new chief of staff would have to realize he is the one that would be making all of the decisions and would be running the white house the way he wants to run the white house with an open door policy, inviting people to come in and chat all of the time. it would be a very very different kind of chief of staff and a very different role from the one that we are used to seeing in any white house. >> can i just jump in very quickly if that's okay? i do think it's important to get to kelly's side on this now that his often is coming forward. they claiming that kelly's influence isn't waning here, that sesz when kelly came in pe would just walk in. now people will go directly to the president and back channel to fill him in on what's going

on. while it may appear his influence is diminishing it is more of the structure that kelly has put into place there. >> go ahead. >> you know, what i would say too to add to that, we are now post first year of mr. trump. we are it now getting into intense situations, more so than some of the things he diminished. it is attempting to have influence. you know, chief of staff kelly spent 40 years with multi-national affairs. i'm sure he is extremely frustrated to see someone that doesn't have the experience doing some things based on get feel that chief kelly knows will

go south very quickly. i'm sure it's contributing a lot to that. >> i'm sure the problem is you wake up in the morning. you see what he's tweeted. it may not be the thing you talked about before. it may set the day in a totally different direction from the one you wanted or the one you planned on. and the unpredictability of the president's views are also something that i think probably wrangles anybody who tries to work with him on particular issues. i'm sure kelly is one of those people who has had that kind of a problem. >> and i would suggest that john kelly's main purpose in life is to control and establish process and make things go smoothly. he is working for a guy where he has no control. the processes are all es cute. things never go that way. it is always a new set.

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tonight there's a new lult. stormy daniels is suing the president over defamation. it is over the sketch of a man she says tleltenned her years ago after talk about her alleged sexual encounter. he tweeted a total con job playing the fake news media for fools but they know it. joining me now is cnn legal analyst. >> we made it known in the day after the president sending this tweet. we were considering whether to bring in in connection with a separate lawsuit. we believe effectively that the president called my client a liar. >> by saying it's a con job.

>> by saying it's a con job and she maintains she was assaulted by the side of her car. she identified this individual by way of this sketch which took a considerable amount of time to prepare and publish. we want to hold the president accountable for his statement. >> i mean reading the case file is this a provable case of defamation? it is a higher bar than somebody it is not. >> yes. even good defamation cases are hard to win in court because they are of the discovery involved in proving damages in the case. this case i think will be defensible. it is simply an expression of opinion which he is allowed to express. it is considered nondefamatory

and also because stormy daniels has become a public figure herself you have the additional burden that michael will have to prove that the president acted with actual malice. >> do you find that malice would be hard to prove? >> i have been proving hard cases my entire career. i'm confident in this one. if if the president continue to do what he has done it will take a lot of steps to help us along the way. he will be the second best attorney for us on the case. >> there are those -- i have heard some say there's a 90 day stay on it. there is some sort of maneuver

to keep the case going. >> well, i mean that's completely bogus. it's baseless. two weeks ago i made it known publicly at that time that we were going to be bringing a loathe lawsuit or a claim over this tweet. we were either going to bring that claim in los angeles or in a separate matter in a separate venue. it has been in the works for some time. >> why here in new york? the tweet was sent by the president. your client lives in california. it seems to me california would have been the more appropriate venue. there are an awful lot of television stations here in new york. a lot of people say that's the reason you decided to come to new york with the litigation. >> if you haven't been paying attention i don't have a problem being on tv. >> it is nice to walk directly

in the studio. you're not coming in via satellite. >> let's be clear about something. i live in l.a. any client lives in dallas. >> well -- >> so before you on my case. she doesn't live in l.a. we filed here in new york because the president is a resident of trump tower. he never formally changed his residency to the white house. he spends a lot of time down in florida but not at the white house. >> he has only been back to new york once. >> does the filing the separate case -- this can move forward even if there's a stay in the actual lawsuit. is that correct? >> that's correct. this has has nothing to do with the case in los angeles. >> this sketch would not have

been put out -- >> not as -- not exactly. the case in los angeles results from our attempts to invalidate the nda and defamation associated with claims there was no affair by michael cohen. that's one issue. this is separate and apart in that it relates to this sketch and what he claims to be the nonexistent. how does the president know that the man is nonexistent? if he had no involvement, knew nothing of the alleged threat how does he know there was no nonexistent man? >> if there was a judgment in favor is that a monetary judgment? >> it is a monetary judgment that could be collected against the individual. in this case it would be against mr. trump. >> and why not include has

michael cohen said anything you think is defamation? could you see a day you could see michael cohen? >> not in this particular case. he hasn't commented on the alleged assault. >> and that's a great issue. i was curious. on the issue of damages she -- your client has made from 200 to 500 pornographic movies including -- >> from what you read or what you have seen? >> from what i have read. >> some of the titles are great but children may be watching. the question is she is suing for the damage of being called a liar. you to prove damage to her reputation. do you think you have a realistic possibility of having a juror say that her reputation has been damaged? >> first of all as you you know what we made is per se defamation. we don't have to prove speshl damages in connection with that.

we'll be prepared to prove special damaged. >> what are the special damages? what would they be? >> you have to stop interrupting me. we will be able to approve special damages, per se defamation. >> a judge in court -- >> you're not a judge. >> a judge is going to say what special damages are you going to be proving that? >> when i have a judge asking me that question -- >> but -- >> you don't know anything about the case. >> are you arguing just because somebody is an adult film star they cannot be defamed? >> i is tried a lot of tried a lot of cases. somebody that made 500 pornographic films can be defald

chld you put 12 ordinary people and say to them award her money because somebody called her a li li liar you would have a hard time. some times they will send a dollar in damages. it means the lawsuit is a publicity lawsuit and publicity stuff. >> all right. final thargt from you and we have to go. >> if i had a dollar for every time a guy actually told me it was a publicity stunt i would be on my own private island. >> thanks very much. breaking news from the washington post. tariffs are delayed until june 1st. up next more breaking news.

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revealed the claims last week. one of the allegations crashing a government vehicle and excessive drinking on the job. here is one of them. the president said secret service john tester statements are not true. there were no such findings. a horrible thing we can live with. it was on this program last tuesday when he first shared. >> i understand he had a nickname? >> yes. it was the candy man because he handed out precipitation drugs like they were candy. >> the white house democratic to was nicknamed amongst some the candy man? >> that's correct. that's what we were told. that

>> there are new allegations tonight. i understand these allegations are from this past fall. what have you learned? >> we have learned the serious concerns did stretch back when the vice president's attention raised alarm over his behavior and conduct. three details highlight what they said was intimidating and aggressive behavior that made them feel uncomfortable because of multiple confrontations they had over the second lady of the united states karen pence. pence's position relayed concerns last september that jackson may have come when discussing the medical situation with senior white house officials.

after being briefed on the matter she did express her concerns and as for the vice president's chief of staff he informed the white house chief of staff about what happened. now, afterwards pence's position wrote in multiple memos after having intimidating conversations with jackson. he told them to let things go. anderson, i'll read one thing the physician wrote about a meeting. it was a meeting summoned by dr. jackson in retribution over production. it was a decision making process with your care which was consistent that i have received from him in the past. it was allegations named by unnamed individuals who raised

concerns. >> you said that the vice president's attorney is saying that jackson told him to let this go in order to help the vice president's -- excuse me, the vice president's doctor. he is saying that jackson was threatening him? >> in some way the physician is saying that jackson should -- that jackson said let things go in order to help your career. this is what the physician wrote. >> how is the vice president's office responding? >> the vice president's office confirmed they were informed by the vice president's position. he referred the matter according to a spokeswoman to the proper channel. that he also said mrs. pence also had been briefed in the

facts. she was grateful by all personnel involved. they consider the matter closed. a white house official did tell me kelly and deputy chief of staff about the controversy last fall. they referred to the pence doctor to the military and medical office at the white house. it is unclear what happened after that. >> the president has been attacking. these concerns came from both sides of the aisle on veterans affairs. >> right. the republicans were aware of who some of these sources were that came forward. they believed they were incredible voices that needed to be fully investigated. a lot of them were military personnel. just today the republican and chairs of veterans affairs committee would not join in. he told our colleague that every senator has a right to exercise

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>> tonight keeping them honest. after traveling by bus, train and on foot about a hundred migrants have arrived at u.s./mexico border. the president vowed not to let them in and used the caravan to push the need for the border his and wall. mike pence was in another town near by. he gave a speech and spoke with

border protection lemployees. >> as president trump said on saturday night this situation is a direct result of our weak immigration laws. this caravan is also rightly understood as a deliberate attempt to undermind the sovereign ten of the united states. >> there is no attempt to undermine the laws of the country. it allows them live legally in different country. you can disagree whether or they should be dwranted that asigh them. there's nothing wrong with asking. more than 75% of app ri cants were rejected between 2011 and 2011.

the law is clear. pence also said this today. >> thanks to the leadership for president donald trump we are protecting the american people and we are building a wall on the southern border of the united states of america. and let me make you a promise, when it comes to the border wall we are going to build it all. >> the vice president says we are building a wall in southern border. no matter how many times they say it and no matter how many times the president tweets it it has not been funded and not being built right now. listen to what the president said to a crowd in ohio at the end of march. >> we started building our wall. we started. we have 1.6 billion. we already started. you saw the pictures yesterday. >> so that's not accurate.

that 1.6 billion was in the spending bill the president signed, 1.6 billion for border security. >> it is on the start of the south earn border wall. it came from photos. the border wall has not been started there or any where. the pictures were taken where the vice president was today. the administration might try to what's going on there. >> we knowledge this is not the beginning of the southern border wall. this is the begins of the

southern border wall. this is roughly two or three times taller than the one here today. >> it's not getting any feet to the wall. >> this was the beginning of keeping the promise to the american people. >> it is more of the beginning of keeping an idea. it is a movie with multiple sequels. he showed pictures to prove that the president was making good on his president they had nothing to do with it. it was just being repaired. the president and his supporters may be eager to show he is

keeping his promise to build the wall. so far he is not building a new wall no matter how many times they announce it has begun. he sort of danced around a little bit beit was a replacement fence not a border wall. he did knowledge this is a replacement project. he told me we are going to build the wall. he did not say this structure behind me is the beginning of that southern border wall unlike president trump who issued the tweet. i also want to mention with you it was in the spot. this is no man's land. on the mexican side a bustling town. you can see the new fence right there.

the opening is a large opening where there were scores answering. any one of them could have run where vice president pence was standing but nobody did. it was quiet. he was there for about 30 minutes. >> we'll hear about it in the next hour. as the deadline approaches israeli prime minister netanyahu says they have proof the government has been lying about the nuclear program. feel the clarity of non-drowsy

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netanyahu said his intelligence service secured tens of thousands of documents as well as commute dirs ks to prove that iran was brazenly lying about the nuclear weapons. to emphasize his point even

further much of it was in english aimed at president trump. >> this is a terrible deal. it should never have been concluded. in a few days time president trump will decide and make his desis on what to do with the nuclear deal. i'm sure he'll do the right thing, the right thing for the united states, the right thing for israel and the right thing for the peace of the world. >> president trump has until may 12th to decide on whether lifting sanctions. after his speech netanyahu said he has been 100% right to criticize the deal. first of all on this deal do you think there are grounds for the

president to rip up the deal as he has been threatening to do? >> not based on this. this is all baked in. we knew the iranians were lying. this isn't new information with what they are doing right now. >> no. he's got new details. it is getting additional information but it doesn't change the plot line. they have a program until 2003. they divide it. they continue to lie about it. i complained during the negotiations that we should have made them turn their cards face up with what we call pmd's. previous military dimensions of the program. we didn't force it. we just let it ride, gave them a hall pass. we knew they were lying. it was baked into the original deal. >> when you say baked into the original deal the u.s. knew they were lying and therefor made the

deal so tough it was based on the assumption they are lying and this is how we verify it? >> it was based on the premise the program made certain add vases and that they lied about the >> so in your opinion what netanyahu was done doesn't change anything about the solidity of the dole. >> no. like i said, it was all baked in. i think we should have made them be more forthcoming but we knee they were lying at the time. >> what do you make of the movement with north korea and south korea and the meeting with kim jong-un? it's very dramatic to see him crossing over that border. >> yeah. >> do you buy what they are selling? >> oh, the north koreans. not yet. this is the fourth time we've gotten to this place. >> right. >> we've done it with three previous administrations, and we've not had much success, so we'll see where it goes forward from here. credit to the administration for getting here. that's really important, but we've only begun the hard work

now. >> i want to ask you about your new book "the assault on intelligence." >> yeah. >> is what netanyahu saying, is that an example of the assault on intelligence? >> more to the point, the white house after the netanyahu speech issued a statement that iran has a robust clandestine nuclear weapons program that. flies in the face of a national intelligence estimate that i was involved in in 2007, and anderson, that remains the estimate, that one chunk, not the centrifuges which was a separate issue, not the icbms, but a separate issue but actually constructing a weapon, that that had stopped in 2003 and i'm fond of saying that judgment then was based not on the absence of evidence but evidence of an sense, and i don't know of anything that's changed that, so it's going to be really interesting now what did the intel guys say about the press release that just came out of the white house? >> so, i mean, you're talking about the subtitle of the book

is "american national security in an age of lies." >> yeah. >> how does intelligence adapt to this age that we're in? >> it's really hard. so we've seen a pattern from the white house of saying things that intelligence just can't back up, and i'm being kind here, so you try to convince the president in closed sessions with regard to what you believe objective reality is. it's not so much that you're not winning the argument in the process. it's that the decisions seem to be separated from the process. >> mm-hmm. >> and you saw h.r. mcmaster leave the white house a couple weeks ago. i mean, h.r. spent a year trying to connect the processes of government to the decision-making of the white house, and it just doesn't seem to have worked. >> that's a frightening statement that the decision-making is just divorced from the -- from the actual intelligence. >> so, for example, and this may be a minor issue, but it's current that. press release tonight.

in my life experience would have had the white house not ever issuing that without running it by the intel guys to make sure they could live with the statement. i don't see that pattern in this administration. >> but it's interesting. we're at a point now where the folks on capitol hill almost ignore what the president is saying. it's sort of like, oh, he's just that guy, you know, who is mumbling that stuff. it doesn't actually necessarily mean that's what the new policy. >> you know, the american presidency is a powerful offices. one of its great powers is the bully pulpit and one of the great powers is what the president says. you just told me that the american congress just tunes it out. i don't know that the rest of the world does though, and that makes life hard. >> you also write that the modern intelligence enterprise, which you obviously view as essential to the u.s. now seems at odds with important elements of american life. >> yeah. >> what do you -- we have collectively and we've talked about the administration, but

the president's reflecting changes in our political culture. the oxford dictionary word of the year for 2016 was post-truth. post-truth is defined as decision-make based on feeling and emotion rather than objective data, and i think we see that broadly throughout our society. i mean, you guys comment on it every night. how could people believe that? political beliefs, political affiliations have now become articles of faith, and it's really hard to unseat a belief with facts if it wasn't based on facts to begin with. >> so what is -- i mean, how do you get back to -- i mean, look, obviously, there's been incredible intelligence failures over the year so there's understanding why there would be skeptics of american intelligence and what the president has said has not helped the confidence in american intelligence or a lot of institutions. what needs to change? >> so that's a point related to an earlier question.

i mentioned in the book, you know, obviously everyone has got to follow their own conscience with what does it say or doesn't say within or outside the stra its? but more important than the individual, anderson, is what you just suggested, preserving the institutions, and i fear what's going on now, particularly with justice and the fbi, but the intel community i think shares in this is the chiseling away at the institutions that service and on which we rely to preserve our liberty and security. that's the collateral damage to this struggle that's now going on. >> and that's not easily revealed. >> once you begin chiseling away. what will it take, and here's the danger i see. i see folks in my tribe or in justice or fbi pushing back against what is an incredibly norm-busting administration, a norm-busting president, but in the pushing back, you have to be oh, so careful that we don't bust our own norms, and so for my folks it might be in leaking.

all right. so we see this deterioration that's coming about because the broader dynamic within society. it scares me, and that's why i wrote the book. >> the book is "the assault on intelligence, american national security in an age of lies." michael hayden, thanks so much. coming up, the "new york times" is reporting robert mueller has at least four dozen questions he wants to ask the question about his ties to russia and other topics. "the times" obtained a list of the questions and the latest on that next. is, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla.

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there's breaking news tonight from the "new york times." the special counsel robert mueller has at least four dozen questions he wants to ask the question about his ties to russia and other subjects. "the times" got a list of those questions. i'm going to read from "the times" here. the open-ended queries appear to be in an attempt to get at the president's thinking and motivation behind some of his most combative twitter posts and examine his relationships with his family and closest advisers. they deal chiefly with the president's high-profile firings of the fbi director and his first national security adviser and his treatment of attorney general jeff sessions and a 2016 trump tower meeting between campaign officials and russians offering dirt on hillary clinton. they also touch on the president's businesses.