if that money is taken away, the violence prevention in place, the poverty prevention in place will encourage more people to head north. >> fact checking the president there, both democratic and republican lawmakers voted against a couple of immigration bills. thanks very much. >> thanks for being with us today. we'll see you back here tomorrow morning. at this hour with kate baldwin starts right now. hello everyone. i'm kate baldwin. we need saudi arabia. that is the latest word from president trump and his latest on what he wants to hear. the president says that the king and crown prince of saudi arabia and what they knew and know is a quote big factor in my eyes says

the president. at the same time secretary of state mike pompeo is headed back from his talks with turkish and saudi leaders. will he be bringing answers back with him. he did say that saudis promised to get to the bottom of the mystery. here is what he said just this morning about the idea that his boss is giving the saudis the benefit of the doubt. >> i keep hearing that we are giving them some benefit of the doubt. they are going to do an investigation. when the investigation comes out we will evaluate it. it's not about the benefit of the doubt. it's that it is reasonable to give them a handful of days more to complete it so they get it right so it is thorough and complete. that is what they have indicated that they need. >> stay close, because we are going to hear and could hear from the president two times this hour as he is holding events at the white house. we will keep a close eye on that and bring it to you when it comes. let's talk more about the

mounting evidence against the saudis. cnn chief international correspondent clarisza ward is joining me now. where do things stand right now? >> reporter: so where things stand right now, there has been a kind of inching forward of progress in the last couple of hours. some turkish investigators finally allowed access to the residents of the consul general. they had been allowed access on monday to the consulate. they had been pushing forcefully or trying to lobby for access to the residents. that had been denied for some time. now they are finally in there. they have a lot of forensics experts. they are going to be taking dna samples and looking closely to see if there is evidence of a cover up job the likes of which they confronted when they went into the consulate. there was a new coat of paint and found toxic materials in the area. we are also hearing more about

the investigation itself, learning more about the operation, who was in charge of it? three sources telling cnn that the man in charge of the operation, former military official intelligence officer with very close ties to the inner circle of crown prince. we are learning about the operatives, the saudis who were carrying outthe operati the ope one a security personnel who has been seen along side the crown prince on saudi state television. all of this raising the question as to why there is such a willingness to wait and wait and not old saudi arabia's feet to the fire in terms of demanding that this investigation be carried out transparently and quickly. >> and this is again more than two weeks now since khashoggi

disappeared, not from just anywhere, not from just any building in istanbul, from the saudi consulate in istanbul. these are important details, important facts as the saudis say they still are looking for more time and the president and secretary of state say they deserve that time. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. let's get over to the white house as we have been discussing, we could hear from the president a couple of times this hour. he is speaking out this morning. kaitlan collins is there at the white house. what are you hearing from the president this morning? >> reporter: we are seeing a change in tone from president trump regarding all of this. when this first came about president trump expressed concern and warned of severe punishment if it is found that the saudis are responsible for the death of the missing journalist. now he seems to be changing his tone. when he was asked what is the punishment going to be for saudi arabia if they are found to be responsible for this? instead he talked about why the united states needs the saudis.

>> i hope we are going to be on the better side of the equation. we need saudi arabia in terms of the fight against all of the terrorism and all things happening in iran and other places. iran has been setback very big when i knocked out the iran deal. i hope that the king and the crown prince didn't know about it. that is a big factor in my eyes. i hope they haven't. mike pompeo just left and went to turkey. as you know he is coming back late tonight. we'll find out. >> so you see there, president trump doesn't answer the question of what the punishment is going to be if they are found to have been responsible for this or have authorized it. he is saying he hopes the king and crown prince weren't aware of what was going to happen. we know president trump is drawing a direct line between this and the confirmation of brett kavanaugh saying in an interview with the the associated press yesterday here we go again with the guilty

until proven incent despite mounting evidence that they did know about it and it is unlikely that they were unaware that it is possible. i know president trump said when the secretary of state gets back from his trips to riyadh he is going to brief president trump on what he found. judging from comments from mike pompeo they are waiting for the investigation to come out and they do not seem to be pointing any fingers at the saudis just yet. >> thanks so much. that evolution of the president's tone on this in the past two weeks is an important one. joining me now to discuss this is cnn global affairs analyst and cnn national security analyst. thank you both for being here. aaron, what caitlyn was hinting on that if whether or not the king and the crown prince knew about it was a big factor in his eyes, do you think it should be a big factor in his eyes? should it be a big factor in how

they view the response? >> it is a factor. should it be determinative? something terrible happened to jamal khashoggi in that saudi consulate. it was either a position that went bad or a willful assassination, a very constructive and plugged in critic. does it matter whether or not saudi arabia killed jamal or whether the crown prince and the king knew about it? it matters to some degree for sure. and the notion that the saudi investigation if left to its own devices is going to be transparent timely and comprehensive strikes me as straining a bounce of leaves to the breaking point. they probably will conclude that this was an operation without the foreknowledge or orchestration of the crown prince, certainly without the knowledge of the king perhaps. that is going to be the glide

path for getting out of this. i do not believe -- >> you are saying that no matter what the truth is, that is the cover story and the out. >> the out is determined by an administration. we placated it for years. i watched this. never have i seen the degree of latitude and freedom of action given by an administration to a leader who is impulsive, reckless and frankly pursuing interests that undermine both american values and american interests. >> peter, on the most basic level, if it was a botched interrogation, why do the saudis ever say that khashoggi walked out of that consulate alive that same day? these facts do not lineup even in the slightest, even with the most wild imagination. >> they don't, kate. i agree with aaron completely. i think what we will find, there will be a saudi narrative that

this was led by a senior saudi intelligence official who set up this operation, assembled his own team and did this outside the chain of command. something went badly wrong. this official then kind of covered it up which helps to explain why the saudis are so late in the game in terms of coming up with an alternative explanation. and that will be their position. it's deniable enough i think for the trump administration to say he didn't know about it. now, i leave it to the viewers to decide if they accept that. but i think that is what we are headed towards. >> aaron, do you accept -- would you accept that in that situation? if that becomes the narrative, do you accept that if we are talking about level of senior saudi official that could have

been involved here as folks are starting to be identified, do you see that as -- do you see that as possible, as plausible? and what you know of the crown prince and the structure and how things are run there? >> the notion that an individual close to the crown prince or not would undertake an operation so politically risky, so volatile, pregnant with such extraordinary consequences for saudi arabia's credibility, its image, its relationship with the united states, you have to be willfully obtuse or complicit in order to accept that kind of conclusion. if this were an independent investigation run by a team of forensic experts and specialists

who were to determine to weigh all of the evidence, who had the benefit of chatter, of u.s. intel to try to conclude what the saudis were saying about this before the operation -- you have half a dozen security agencies and intel agencies monitoring what happened in istanbul, then perhaps it would be credible. under these circumstances, i can't imagine. it boggles the mind that anybody would believe that, in fact, what the saudis are going to report bears any resemblance to what transpired. >> should there be skepticism of turkey here and the information that they have been putting out? because i almost have to say almost all of the details have been coming in kind of a drip drip fashion, selective handing out of some details from turkey, from turkish officials. do you think there should be

skepticism on turkey here? >> turkey is in a difficult position. they lost 40% of the value in the last several months. they are in dire need of a saudi investment. all the leaks coming out are from sources. they are not coming in a public way. they are trying to have it both ways. clearly, there is a tape or several tapes. the tapes will speak for themselves. i think they are likely to come out. i think they will not be easy to dismiss. >> i think you probably right. when do you think the clock runs out, if you will? how long do saudis have until they have run out the clock on being able to come up with an explanation? >> timely, transparent and the other t. >> maybe it was complete. >> there are three ts. >> i don't spell well. >> mike pompeo identified -- if

it is going to be all those things, it ought to take a fair amount of time, but the reality is it is saudi security people involved. you know, will it clear the mid terms? maybe. but again the timing is less important to me than the actual consequences of the investigation. and what the administration plans to do even with the saudi cover story -- the act has been triggered by congress. 120 days the administration has to undertake its own investigation to determine what the saudi role was. it has the option to impose sanctions. and then there is congress. congress can do a great deal in terms of affecting the nature of the relationship through legislation. >> thanks so much.

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now. democrat beto o'rourke in a debate with republican senator ted cruz using the republican president donald trump to hit the republican senator. watch. >> senator cruz is not going to be honest with you. he will make up positions and votes that i have never held or have ever taken. he is dishonest. that is why the president called him lying ted and why the nickname stuck because it is true. >> it is clear the pollsteres have told him to come out on the attack. if he wants to insult me and call me a liar that is fine. john adams said facts are stubborn things. >> the are signs that o'rourke may need to be on the attack. our latest poll has him down seven points with less than three weeks to go before election day. joining me right now alice stewart and former ted cruz communications director during the 2016 election and joe trippy, cnn plolitical

commentator. >> i'm not sure if you had wonderful memories or horrible flashbacks. o'rourke going on the attack calling cruz a liar. cruz saying essentially bring it on. what is happening in this race right now? >> i was going to say i was having flashbacks as i was watching that back to the 2016 campaign. it's not a surprise that he is resorting to name calling. that's fine. if you want to look at name calling, that's better than looking at the record. here is a name for him, bitter beto outspending ted cruz three to one and down in many polls by almost ten points. i would be pretty bitter about it, too. what we saw, i saw a real stark contrast. if you look at o'rourke's record he is someone that supports socialized medicine and government-funded late term

abortions. if you see him on the screen there, he is in front of oil fields in texas and advocating for wind and solar power. here is someone who is a great candidate probably for california and maybe new york, but not for texas. i think that rang clear last night. >> the way you are describing him he shouldn't be in the vicinity. he should be like not in the same ball field the way you are describing him. that is where we are. he is still amongst likely voters down seven points. at this point, do you believe -- should we disspell the myth that texas would be turned blue? >> look, the fact is the fact that we are talking about this race says that something is happening in texas. ted cruz barely sitting around 50. among likely voters that is true. he does have the polls showing ted cruz in the lead. what is really interesting is among all respondents in that

poll in the recent cnn poll was you saw the president actually is upside down in fav in texas. it is ironic that the liiying t nickname is coming back to haunt ted cruz a little bit. the likely voters cruz has a lead with. it is disaffected voters, those voters are for beto and he is closing the gap. if they turn out we could be in for a surprise in november. and the real issue here i think is with beto the 38 million that he raised in the last quarter, if that money is put into getting out that vote, he could actually surprise cruz. >> alice, i got to ask you,

because the president is going next week to campaign for ted cruz. i wonder, is he like -- would you say in any universe that donald trump would be the closer for ted that ted cruz needs? i still can't get like -- i love the sound bytes so much. i cannot get over the fact or forget the fact of what these two men said about each other. i know you can't forget it, as well. here is a refresher. >> lying ted cruz. you ever see a guy like like this guy? he is lying ted cruz. >> but still i want you to campaign for me in texas. how do voters overlook the brutal attacks? >> you look at what the stakes

are in this race. it is so important for texas and for people across the country, all voters. at the end of the day it's voting your values and putting politics at the forefront. look, that was a very difficult presidential campaign. it was dirty and brutal. >> exactly. and at the end of the day, people say and do anything they can in many cases to win elections. after all is said and done you rally behind the party's nominee and the party and you work together to make change. ted has agreed that was dirty and personal, but this is politics. you put the personal animosity and the hurt behind you for the good of the party. that's exactly what is going to happen here. >> people say and do a lot of things to get elected. i think that basically sums it all up. >> i want to get your last

thought. trump told the associated press in an interview that he is not to blame if republicans lose in the mid term. he also says very explicitly that this election is about him and he wants it to be that way. listen to this. >> congress is on the ticket. i tried to tell my people that is the same thing as me in a sense. that is the same thing. think of it as the same thing. >> which is it? is it about him? can they be blameless if they lose in. >> he is definitely going to hold himself blameless. you look at the energy particularly with democrats, independents and part of the problem that republicans are having with suburban women particularly even their own republican women is clearly caused by donald trump and the angst and sort of constant chaos and exhaustion generated. if that generates the higher turnout that i think we are going to see, then he is going

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this comes as a new court filing shows that 245 migrant children are still separated from their parents still in u.s. custody. this is now three months after a federal court demanded that the government reunite those children with their parents. three months later, 245 children are still in u.s. custody. joining me right now, the lead attorney suing the administration over family separations. thank you for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> as i saw the president tweet and we are looking at this caravan coming up from central america, you have been in these countries talking to parents trying to reconnect children with their parents. to these migrants in the caravan, what would you say to them? turn back? it is not worth it? >> ultimately it has to be their decision. when i talked to parents who got here i asked them point blank

and they said what choice do we have? the danger is too great for our children. i think it is wrong for the administration to be prejudging these cases. people have a right to apply for asyl asylum. if they are fleeing the country. they need to be allowed to come here and given fair process. if they don't have an asylum claim they will be turned back. they should be allowed to come in the country. that is what the laws say and what every country's laws say. >> let's talk about the children separated. the latest is 245 children are being separated. you all were in court yesterday about this. can you -- three months later, where are we now? 245 kids still separated, what would you say? >> i would say this has taken far too long. >> that is the under statement of the century. the deadline that was set by the judge was the end of july to get the families back together.

>> i agree. so it is an under statement. it is really unfortunate. we just need to do what we can do. remarkably i think everyone is focussing on the parents who were deported. we have reached all but five of them without much help from the government. there are still parents in the u.s. who haven't been reunited and we haven't gotten an answer of why they haven't been reunited. that is extremely troubling. we have been asking the government. the parents are in the u.s. they are part of the case. why are they not being reunited with the children and we are not getting straight answers on that. the other remarkable -- >> how many families would you say that is? >> we are not exactly sure. somewhere between 10 and 20. as you have said -- >> even one -- >> as you said on the show, often, you can't talk just about numbers when you are talking about these children. the remarkable thing is these families haven't been reunited

and the administration is talking about family separation 2.0. if that happens i think there is outrage beyond what we saw from the initial family separation. people will go ballistic about that. we cannot have another situation where thousands of children are being taken. >> a federal judge said this was not done right. so the president is talking about this. in an interview with the the associated press he was asked about the impact that this has had on those kids, the fact that there is a lot of trauma being seen, a lot of trauma in the children being reunited with the parents after the fact. at first when he was asked if he dodged the question, the associated press reporter asked again, here is what the president said. do you have any regrets or remorse about how this has impacted children? i think we have done an incredible job with children. we have taken children who have no parents with them standing on the border. we have taken many children. i'm talking about a large

percentage where they have no people, no parents. in addition to that, we are separating children who are just met by people who are using them to come across coming into the border that are not their parents. what do you say to that? >> you may accuse me of under statement again, but they have not done an incredible job. the federal judge said this policy was brutal and offensive. you were taking children away from their parents, not from traffickers, from parents. you didn't keep records, the same kind you would keep if taking property away. for the administration to call this an incredible job is beyond belief. >> i ask you every time you are on, do you remain hopeful these children will be reunited? >> i do. i will continue to be hopeful. i hope the next time i'm back here we can say there are very few or no kids left to be reunited. i do think you are right to

point out the trauma because in some ways that part is just starting. these kids need help. they are so traumatized. they are sitting around -- >> traumatized when separated for a matter of hours. these children have been separated for months. >> what we are talking about are our kids thinking in their heads and saying will i be taken away again? they need real medical help. >> thanks for coming in. appreciate your time. coming up for us, president trump set to speak any moment from the white house. we will bring that to you. stay with us. bye. bye. have fun. chloe. ♪

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the message this morning from secretary of state mike pompeo, we should give them space. he is talking about the saudi investigation into the disappearance of "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi whose disappearance happened in istanbul. listen to this. >> we will get to see the investigation and the results of it. i think they understand the serious nature of the work that they are doing and the accusations that are being levelled against them. >> let's go to the ground right now to josh campbell, cnn law enforcement analyst. there is a lot of commotion going on around you. you are outside the residents of the saudi consul general inb istanbul. what is going on? >> reporter: a flurry of

activity started about two hours ago. this isn't the consulate. this is the residence of a consul general, the person in charge of the consul who departed the country. the facility has become of great interest because cc tv from the scene showed vehicles leaving that location on the day that the missing journalist disappeared. they came to this facility where we are now. there has been a bit of a tussle regarding whether they could get access to this facility. those discussions went overnight. within about two hours ago we saw a large caravan of police officers arrive here fully kitted out in the moon suits. these are the forensic suits. they will be looking for dna evidence, any sign that the body of the missing journalist is in this location. within the last ten minutes

investigators came out to clear out some of the journalists and set down the drone attempting to get the bird's eye view and collect information. a lot of activity going on right here. we are not sure how long this will be taking place. turkish officials tell us it will be a comprehensive review behind us. >> having a little bit of trouble with the connection. we will try one more time. i want to stick with you. you mentioned that they look to be launching a -- tell me if you know -- they are launching a drone above the facility. why is a drone important to this investigation? >> reporter: so we have been told that they are going to leave no stone unturned, that this will be a comprehensive investigation. part of it will be to look at the facility. this is a potential crime scene behind us here on the day the journalist disappeared. the drone flying over would

provide that bird's eye view in and out of the facility. they are liable to get a picture of the facility and what they are dealing with. there may be other areas based on what they see on the roof that they may need to hook atlo it is a huge flurry of activity. >> now, here is kind of an important part about all of this in terms of the saudis saying they are doing a thorough investigation. mike pompeo says they promise to be transparent and complete and timely. from the u.s. side, though, do you see is that really what is going to happen if the saudis are leading their own investigation? or is this just saudis coming up with a cover story? >> reporter: it sounds like the latter. there have always been two aspects of this. there is the investigation on the ground, the nuts and bolts of what happened. then there is this larger

political implication. secretary pompeo was here and met with president erdogan and was relaying a message from president trump relaying information from the saudis. a large question looms as far as how comprehensive the saudi investigation will be, how transparent it will be. there have been a number of new pieces of information that have come to light from the audio visual recordings allegedly taking place inside the consulate whenever the alleged killing took place. cnn has the photos of seven members of the hit team. their passport photographs are linked back to saudi arabia. new reporting that we have shows that one of the officials that apparently organized all of this was a saudi official who is closely tied to the crown prince, an intelligence officer and diplomat. all signs are pointing to saudi arabia. we do not know if it will be comprehensive enough that they turn over everything they know to turkish officials. we are hearing that maybe this

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former vice president joe biden is still mum on a possible 2020 presidential run, but he is weighing in on what should and shouldn't be an issue in the

2020 race. age, fair game, he says. at an event in michigan, biden said this, every voter is entitled to know what kind of shape you're in. you owe it to them, it's a legitimate question. so i think age is relevant. relevant to this question, the only person older than him currently being talked about in the current field is bernie sanders, at 72. >> chris sill what is biden get here? >> i think that, look, the context is important, donald trump is the oldest person elected to a first term, reagan was 72 when he was elected to

his second term. age in running against donald trump does matter. and the top three, as we see them, three of the top four democrats, that's sanders, elizabeth warren and biden, will all be 70 or older. sanders and biden will be closer to 80 than 70 on election day. there's a real question going forward, do you go with camilla harris? who's 53? do you go with castro who's in his early 40s. who said he's likely to run to rolling stone. the context is what kind of car do you want to run against 2020. >> how much of a problem is it for democrats when they've got somewhat of a cast of older folks that have potentials, when one of the things you're trying to do, bring about new leadership and inspire young voters. >> it's not just a problem in their presidential candidates,

look at their leadership in the house. nan nancy -- the top three in the house are 75 or older. there's no question, the young people we know, barack obama very much energized that group. if you look at polling 18 to 35, even 18 to 25, are very supportive of the democratic party and their issue positions. the question is you're not going to nominate someone who's 18. do you nominate someone who's in their early 40s, do you nominate a person of color, or do you nominate joe biden, who's been in politics since 1979, been vice president, has a lot of water under the bridge in terms of legislative votes and things he's said. like camilla harris, for example, she was the attorney general in california and she's been in the senate, she got elected in 2016, not even two years yet. we're going to have that choice because the field is going to be massive and it's going to

include the bidens and sanders and harris's of the world as well as the castros and harris's and bookers. >> does it make it look more or less likely to run when he weighs in on age? >> i think he's running, barring -- i would say this doesn't have a huge impact on what i think about joe biden's chances on whether he runs. i think he's going to run. he has to make a final call obviously, but i think if it was today, he's in. >> thank you, chris. 42 going on 15. great to see you. >> that's true, actually. ask my wife, she would tell you that. >> we'll discuss in the break. coming up, president trump set to speak at any moment from the white house. please stay with us. place, the xfinity xfi gateway.

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arabia has been a very important ally of ours in the middle east. we are stopping iran, we're not trying to stop, we're stopping iran. we went a big step when we took away that ridiculous deal that was made by the previous administration, iran got 1$1.8 billion in cash, what was that all about? they are an ally. we have other good allies in the middle east. if you look at saudi arabia, they're an ally and they're a purchaser of military equipment among other things. when i went there, they committed to purchase 4$450 billion worth of things and $110 billion worth of military. those are the biggest numbers in history, probably in the history of the world. i think there's ever been a $450

billion commitment. i want to find out what happened and where is the fault and we will know that by the end of the week. and mike pompeo is coming back and we are going to have a long talk. >> why not send the fbi to find out? >> he wasn't a citizen of this country for one thing. and we're going to determine that. and you don't know whether or not we have, do you? do you know whether we have sent the fbi? >> no. >> i'm not going to tell you. why would i tell you? go ahead. >> mr. president, you asked for this audio/video intelligence -- >> we have asked for if it exists. >> have you gotten it? >> we asked for it if it exists. >> have they turned it over? >> we don't know if it exists yet. we'll have a full report when mike comes back, that's going to be one of the first questions i ask him. >> there's been talk about spending being reined in on capitol hill.

>> i'll tell you we're having a cabinet meeting in a little while and we're going to ask every secretary to cut 5% for next year. last year, first year, i had to do something with the military, the military was falling apart, it was depleted, it was in very bad shape. so that's why we went for two years, 716 billi$716 billion, t place over a period of two years. we have purchased and repurchased jets, missiles, rockets all forms of military equipment. ships, submarines. we have rebuilt and are in the process of rebuilding our military to a level that's never been before. i had to do that. in order to get the 700 and the 716 billi$716 billion, those nue never been heard of before. i had to give the democrats, i call it waste money. things that i never would have approved but we had to do that in order to get the votes because we don't have enough republican