welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. president trump is enjoying a state visit to britain. today's vip treatment included an 82-gun salute, time with queen elizabeth at buckingham palace and tea with prince charles. plus, it would not be a trump trip without controversy. there are protests in the streets of london. the president swaps insults with the city's mayor, and he ignores protocol and weighs in on who he likes in the race to become the next prime minister. and california democrats boo more centrist 2020 presidential candidates who warn against medicare for all or appearing socialist. the front-runner joe biden skipped the state party convention, and some of his

rivals took note. >> there is a debate among presidential candidates who have spoken to you here in this room and those who have chosen for whatever reason not to be in this room. >> back to 2020 politics later, but we begin this hour with the president's glitzy arrival in london for a state visit. just moments ago, the president wrapping up tea with prince charles, this after a busy morning full of the kind of pomp and circumstance the president loves, a formal reception at buckingham palace and lunch with the queen, a tour of westminster abbey where the president laid a wreath at the grave of the unknown warrior, but the president's visit, no surprise here, also engulfed by criticism and controversy, in the days, hours, even minutes leading up to his arrival, the president has bickered with the london mayor, shared his open support of a swift brexit and even weighed in on who should be the next british prime minister.

protesters fanning out across the city today to express their unhappiness with the decision to grant this american president a full state visit. back home in the states the drudge report summing it up this way, royal welcome, pomp and insults. cnn's max foster joins me live from buckingham palace. the pictures are amazing. the president seems to be enjoying himself. this is your business. what are your big takeaways? >> reporter: i think it's interesting how he's thrown political protocols out of the window, flying into the uk, calling the london mayor a stone cold layer after the london mayor said that donald trump was a global threat, but then stepping into buckingham palace and stepping up in a very statesman like way and being almost -- very deferential really to the queen at the same time and very much respecting royal protocols, so while political political protocols are out the window, royal protocols have very much being held up by him today, so that was a fascinating insight.

he had a private lunch in the palace, don't know what was said there this afternoon with prince charles, don't know what was said there, but perhaps we'll get some information as it leaks out. not always the case with these types of meetings unless it comes from the trump side. these are two men who have diametrically oppose views on a wide range of issues, not least global warming and religious tolerance. at the moment he's head you go up to winfield house which is a glorious mansion in regents park. the american ambassador to london's residence. he'll spend some time there before the main event tonight which is the state banquet where he'll deliver a speech, and the queen will deliver a speech as well. what will he say? how will he address these political issues in a palace environment, or will he ignore them all snogt what the queen wanted to do is strengthen ties between the u.s. and the uk in the wider history rather than focusing on political events which, you know, are pretty contentious, us a know, john, here in the uk. >> contentious, to say the least.

always diplomatic, max foster. appreciate it live from outside the palace. let bring in studio to share their reporting and insights, katherine lucy with "the wall street journal," paul holtze with "new york times" seung min kip with the "new york times" and author of "elizabeth the queen." sally, let me start with you. there's always these questions. the last time president trump was there, there were few protocols he didn't quite follow around the keep. he seems genuinely to be enjoying himself, and it's not the right word but behaving? >> yes. i think he has enormous reverance for the monarchy and for the queen. he's famously said that his mother, you know, scot-born and loves the queen and the queen is a huge -- she's a thorough professional. she became monarch when she was 25. she has known 12 of 13 american presidents. the only one she missed was lyndon johnson who was too sick to come to winston churchill's funeral, but she, above all, is a professional. she knows how to handle any

situation, even things like jimmy carter kissing her mother on the lips in 1977 when she said i haven't been kissed that way since i -- since my husband died 25 years ago. the queen is just very good as smoothing the waters. she's a very calm temperament, so i'm sure she's steered through everything without any kind of a mishap. >> and the calm temperament you mentioned. that is not a phrase put in a sentence with donald trump that often. >> no. >> and yet, and yet, he's been -- in terms of the protocol, that's what is makes this so fascinating. two years in the make because it was so controversial. theresa may very much wanted it at the beginning of the brexit debate, the beginning of her tenure because she needs a bilateral trade agreement with the united states, good trade relations with the united states, for that and the politics in a moment, but the moment for the >> this is a big deal for the president. he's wanted this. they have a huge white house contingent there. his adult children are there and his wife is there, but really as

you said it shows his ability to do more thing at once. he wants to sort of play the statesman, observe protocol, but he's not going to stop any of these street fighting back home, so -- and even as he comes in, so he's -- he's playing two roles. for the moment it seems the rest day with the state dinner, i think we'll probably see him on good behavior and there's always more than one role for donald trump to play. >> there's been so many other times in the last two years, in the first two years of his presidency, where he's kind of insulted his host as air force one literally land on foreign soil or kind of even wreaked havoc. >> that happened the last time he came to the uk. >> indeed. >> i remember being in london waiting for the president to land from brussels, and right at that moment, that explosive interview with "the sun" tabloid where he really insulted theresa may's happened lifeng brexit and endivorced her own political opponents and we were kind of aghast at the impact that that

would have, but also, you know, in paris he had a pretty snide tweet to macron as he was landing and also at the g7 he said we should allow russia back to g8. >> created chaos as he left. it sounded like he would sign the communique and then he tweeted all kinds of things as he took off. >> he does seem to have a special attachment to great britain, and even during the campaign he vacillated whether to go, but his golf course is there and he wanted to see his golf course and he went over there and that was a disaster because that's when is brexit was happening. i thought his response if you don't want to hear the answers, don't ask the questions was pretty interesting. you know, other people have learned how to be diplomatic when someone asks a difficult question. you know, this seems like a typical sort of trump trip. you have some success and then you, have you know, political hand grenades in the middle. >> that part like he's trying to get the royal part right and the

rest of it is your trademark trump, if you will, and i'm not defending the president, but in defense of the president, let me defend him a little bit, when he was getting in with the london mayor, he was responsibilitying. sidique khan in "the oh," says it's so unbritish to be rolling out the red carpet for a formal state visit for a president whose divisive ideals are contrary to what america was founded on. one day i think we'll look back with profound regret and acknowledge we're on the wrong side of history. khan who has been a terrible mayor has been foolishly nasty to the president of the united states, by far the most important ally of the unit kingdom. he's a stone cold loser who should focus on crime and not me and he compared the mayor of london to the mayor of new york. how will this play? >> one thing about the queen she's seem them come and seen them go. she famously entertained at a

state dinner -- state visit with all the panoply including the carriage drive down the mall and ole the thirst, the horse guard parades and everything that was hidden behind buckingham palace which, by the way, was done for obama, too, for security reasons, done for president bush in 2003 for all the security issues. she knows how to manage these situations so, you know, i think, she wouldn't let him get into trouble. >> wouldn't let him -- >> not in her presence. >> this isn't the first go-round. this is a long-running feud with the president and the mayor. >> and, you know, again, when -- when -- in 1978 they were warned by the red they better remove the silver from the belgian suite in buckingham because the

ceaucescus stole thing so she has context here. >> so things can get stores. >> if you just look through some of the pictures. we'll goat some of the politics in a moment, but the president arrives and shakes the keep's hand. he seems fascinated. number one, he wants to have the higher standing and wants to be seen as the american president. he has this when he meets with ceos because when he was a new york businessman and they wouldn't give him time of day hand now they say him as a big player. you see him there, this moment here, and then he sees the honor guard, remembers this. remember they had the parade for him. the president loves being part of this, and who wouldn't. who wouldn't. this is an impressive scene here. it was interesting to me to see him at westminster. he was asking a lot of questions and seemed quite engaged as he went through. again, some presidents plow through these things. george w. bush, if he was curious about something, wanted to learn every detail. if he was not he would plow

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welcome back. president trump's trip to the uk giving him a fresh opportunity to weigh in on british politics, even though custom calls for u.s. presidents to show restraint, especially at sensitive moments, but this president prefers disruption to custom and restraint and is not being shy about how he thinks the uk should handle the ongoing brexit saga or who he thinks would be best to replace prime minister theresa may. abby philip joins us from london. love it, hate it, trademark trump. >> reporter: absolutely. i don't think any of that will come as a surprise to anyone, not even on this side of the atlanta where they are pretty used to president trump at this point, but there are some

questions that remain at this hour about whether he'll follow through on what he suggested could be some meetings he sets this up week with two individuals, one of whom is returning to replace theresa may, boris johnson, who the president prauzed to reporters in a gaggle as he was leaving washington on sunday, and the other would be nigel farage, a brexit campaigner. there's no plans for this to be set up yet and that could change at any moment. if president trump decides he wants those meetings and sets his aides to that task he will do it but it's coming at an awkward time. theresa may is days away from stepping aside as a party leader and a tumultuous time for the uk and president trump is not only stepping directly into this brexit conversation. he's made no secret about how he feels about that, how he feels about theresa may in his view not listening to him on that issue, but he's also potentially

stepping into the campaign to -- to replace her. who will become the next prime minister of the unit kingdom, and so it's a little bit of a faux pas for the president to be doing that as he's here visiting the country and particularly on this occasion. it's a state visit. it's very ceremonial in nature. the purpose of this is to establish good feelings between the two countries, but he has been not shy at all about delving deep into that political aspect of things in addition to the political fighting that he's been having with the london mayor who has opposite political views from him. president trump is eager to get very deeply involved in the politics of this country right now, and i think people here in the uk are -- just as you are unsurprised, not surprised by that, too, john. >> not surprised by that. interesting to see what he says at the state banquet and then side by side with theresa may here in the morning. abby philip live in london,

appreciate it. molly ball with "time" joins us. is it the custom that's wrong or president trump that's wrong in the sense that you're not supposed to weigh in on someone else's politics, especially at this key moment. he's not going to be quiet as noted in the last segment. if you don't want the answer, don't ask the question. >> the part of most people's brains decide whether or not to say that thing that you're thinking doesn't necessarily exist in this president, but the reason for the custom, it's not just politeness. it's about not making people angry. it's about not offending people, and that has repercussions for the relationship. the president even more than most people believes that diplomacy and foreign relations is all about personal relationships with leaders, and so when you -- when you meddle in the politics like this, you run the risk of say your guy doesn't win, then you've alienated the person who does win. even if your guy does win, he wants to feel like he did it on his own, and so that is the reason for that, but i think

there is an understanding as abe was sort alluding to, that this guy isn't like other president. he doesn't follow the same rules and people have become accustomed to that. >> again, i've traveled with presidents in the past where they meet with political leads. like the opposition party. one party in power and meet with the leader. there's usually a still photography, not a lot of chatter, and you don't hold them days before the election to pick a new prime minister, but he -- so we don't know, will they talk him out of meeting boris johnson and nigel farage in this trip? will he say let's make it happen. >> it's unclear. today he's all about the pomp and circumstance of these state events, fanned he really wants, to he's going to do it. i mean, in terms of the election i would say i think this does come two years into this presidency. people here and everywhere are very used to donald trump, so is he moving votes at this point? it's not really clear like how he influences, but it is, like a diplomatic question. >> and it goes both way in the sense that the president has made clear he thinks boris

johnson would do a good job and that's essentially putting the thumb on the scale when they are about to pick a prime minister. jeremy hunt greeted the president, also a candidate. proud to be there to greet donald trump and melania trump as they arrive in the uk. huge great days away celebrating our friendship and honoring those who fought alongside each other to fight tyranny. hugely, where did that word come from? >> they know his americanisms and rhetoric and know how to butter him up. we saw all the pageantry that the prime minister shinzo abe had rolled out for the president. i'm really going to be watching how his interaction and body language will be with theresa may tomorrow because that's been a very interesting relationship to cat log. the last time he was in london, you know, he comes -- comes into the uk insulting theresa may, and when they were actually standing side by side they were kind of like we're best friends, and he almost apologized to her

for the comments that he had made in "the sun" tabloid so that will be a fun intertax. >> this goes back to the saudis a little bit because they sort of invented this, you know, remember how over-the-top the whole reception of trump was, and everyone has just grabbed on to that. there's no real artifice about it. the only thing they didn't say was big league or whatever. you know, trump, he just eats it up. there's no restraint on his part. he kind of thinks it's his role in some way ways to go over there and churn things up because that's what he does, and that's what he evan joyce >> including in the interview with "the sunday times" essentially walk away. if you can't finally negotiate, they have been going on forever, if you can't get a deal, i wouldn't pay $50 billion. that's a big number. i wouldn't pay $50 bill yonel. that's me. i'm saying this from my standpoint. if you don't get the deal you want, if you don't get a fair deal then you walk away. that's the president of the united states, again, making clear his views. number one, it's an issue in the election of a conservative party

leader who will become the next prime minister and it's a giant issue in uk/eu relations at the moment. >> offered his opinions on brexit for some time. this is not new, and this is sort of the aspect of trumpet pundit almost. he likes weighing in on these things. >> sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt. he views brexit as very close to his heart because he sees it as part of the same global populace movement that elected him. brexit happened during the 2016 presidential election and a few days before he went to the uk donald trump was interviewed by the author michael wolf and didn't know what it was, and then when he was there when it happened, he immediately took credit for it or at least incorporate it had into his own political persona saying, this is the same thing, and this was a hobby horse of steve bannon. >> absolutely. >> saying this is all part of the same global populous movement and does view the fortunes of brexit intertwined with his own and talking to figures like nigel farage is going to constantly reinforce

that view. >> we'll see if that happens while he's there on the soil. up next, a democratic front-runner noticeably absent at the democratic party convention in the biggest states, california. guys, get in here!

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2020 presidential contenders. why was biden a no show? his campaign said he had another commitment. be skeptical of that. like biden governor john hickenlooper says democrats need to be careful about drifting too far left. >> if we want to beat donald trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer. you know, if we're not careful, we're going to end up helping to re-elect the worst president in american history. >> and like biden, the former congressman john delaney thinks thinking obamacare is a better idea than a brand new medicare for all program. >> medicare for all may sound good, but it's actually not good policy nor is it good politics. i'm telling you -- [ crowd booing ] >> i'm telling you. >> delaney booed in california and then a liberal favorite from the other coast joined the fray.

congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez telling delaney to please sashay away and the only person congresswoman oaksio-cortez helped with her tweet about congressman delaney was president trump. we need less political grandstanding and more truth-telling. this is the final tug-of-war in this democratic primary. we focused a lot. there's 23 of them. how are you going to break through and what it's about? how far left does the party go? can you sell a democratic socialist as he calls himself, bernie sanders, medicare for all? obviously in that room of activists it was yes, stay left. biden, especially and delaney and governor hickenlooper if you think they are having chances, they are betting the party is more to the middle. >> they are also making an argument about electability. this is more than an argument about which healthcare policy

would be more successful in getting people insured or whether the liberals are right about this issue. it's much more about what are the american people willing to tolerate, and that's the concern that i think is driving biden's front-runner status at this point is -- the democratic party has become quite a bit more liberal. liberals are about half of the party now which is an historical high water mark but a lot of them, still, when you talk to them out in the early states, feel pragmatic about who they choose and think it's more important to beat trump, and this is why we're trying to read these tea leaves. more important who gets booed in that room and more important that the bernie wing lost the fight for the chair of the california democratic party? there's a feeling that there may be a silent majority in the party that while it's not, you know, as loud as the activists, who needs to real be won over and how biden is doing in the polls so far speaks to that. >> biden is the front-runner. california has the biggest share

of delegates obviously. it has moved up which makes it much more of a force in -- normally it's after the fact you know the nominee by the time california votes. kamala harris is the home state senator and biden is raising a lot of money there. he was not there, but he was an issue with the other candidates. >> as you all know, there is a debate among presidential candidates who have spoken to you here in this room and those who have chosen for whatever reason not to be in this room about the best way forward. >> some say if we all just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis. the time for small ideas is over. >> he wins if we look like

washington, and so the riskiest thing we could do is try too hard to play it safe. >> it was interesting. biden used the words calm down. senator warren -- senator sanders has been after biden consistently. senator warren goes after him on some banking issues, sort of the senator of delaware on the bankruptcy bill, but biden used the words everyone was trying to get him last week or ten days ago saying everybody needs to calm down. i take that as, again, everybody is ready to get on the debate stable. they don't know who is going to draw to be on the stage with biden but i took that as becoming more aggressive. >> the candidates have been very critical at least as the vice president's policy stances from the moment he got in the race, clearly some of his positions in the financial industry, crime bill, nafta, tp, but you do see the knives sharpen a little bit more first of all his lead in the polls remains kind of enduring, and we get closer and closer to the debate, and it's a question to me when biden starts to engage. right now he's kind of floated above the fray a little bit, but i think how he behaves on that

debate stage will kind of indicate, first of all, how he's feeling about his competitors moving forward, and that will be an interesting dynamic to watch. >> will they on that stage, if you remember going into like the 2008 race, you saw, you know, candidates team up against hillary clinton. will you see them sort of tag team against biden, and how does he respond against that? that sort of stage craft will be interesting to watch. >> a bit more tame but from mayor buttigieg, he -- he meaning donald trump, he wins if we act like washington says the mayor from south bend, indiana. >> it's starting to look like a campaign. biden is way out there. they have to go get him, but california has really -- is really a different player in this race, as you said, so california is so democratic, and then the people at these events are super democratic, so this is a nice easy target for warren, bernie and those folks, but, you know, at the end of the day california is a really strongly

democratic state. you fight it out, but whoever the democrat is at the end of this is obviously going to do great in california, but it does finally start to distinguish the canned day, and it gives the more progressive side a good chance to take on biden who will probably much more concentrate on a few other states. >> one of the things that the folks around the president are really looking for is how far this process pushes biden to the left, so i think you're sort of seeing that like tug-of-war there. he has to try and talk to these people, but if you're trying to make had a more centrist play. >> i think he's going have to. >> he may have to. >> he'll have to move a little bit. >> that's interesting when he's on the debate stage, whether it's medicare for all, green new deal, some of the other issues, how he handles them had. i want to show you. progressives knew he wasn't going to be there. peris joe biden, a flyer they distributed at the convention? you're the front-runner and will have people come at you and inside team biden, they think, especially on two coasts, the

party is much more liberal than the rest country. the question is are they right? is that the right bet? >> and the reason biden is not showing up to these events he doesn't want the clip out there of him getting the hickenlooper treatment, and it makes sense. it is a questionable strategy to purposefully tell people something they don't want to hear. hard to imagine a 2016 republican candidate saying, guys, we're not going to repeal obamacare right. so that -- it may be a political mistake to emphasize that when you're out there talking to the activists but the debates will be really important because he has to show up for that. >> right. >> and his demeanor, you know, it's hard to remain above the fray without seeming arrogant or entitled, and he'll have to calibrate that really carefully. >> great month ahead. up next, north korea's top nuclear envoy resurfaces after speculation that he suffered the wrath of kim jong-un. why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us.

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$900 million set aside for preak oenchlg the bill was supposed to have been voted on before memorial day but some republicans blocked it because of concerns over the price tag and because it lacks funding for border security and north korean envoy still alive despite speculation he had been sent to a labor camp. this appears to show kim yong chol sitting a few feet away from the leader kim jongun. he's one of two not seen in weeks and secretary of state mike pompeo asked this morning what he knows. >> can i ask when the u.s. side was last in contact with kim yong chol? i'm not going to answer the questions about the conversations with north korea. we conduct our negotiations in private. >> up next, president trump's one complaint about the accommodations as he arrived in the uk today. i'm working to make each day a little sweeter. ♪

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there is one part of his welcome in the uk the president did not like, no fawning fox news on the tele. he complained in a tweet, of course. just arrived in the united kingdom. the only problem is @cnn is the only source of news available from the u.s. after watching it for a short while, i turned it off. all negative, and so much fake news. very bad for u.s. big ratings drop. why don't owner at&t do

something? i believe that if people stopped using or subscribing to at&t they would be forced to make big changes at cnn. the president's use of cnn as a political foil is, of course, not news, and, remember, as a candidate he vowed to block the at&t/time warner merger but once president he lost that one in court. more now live from lobbedon. i guess there are not norms anymore and it's not normal for the president of the united states to urge a major boycott of an american company? >> absolutely knot not, especially when his favorite channel fox news is not available. it was pulled off the air two years ago. a president calling for an economic boycott of one of the largest telecommunications companies because he doesn't like their news network or that news network is available all over the world is completely norm-shattering, especially tweeting it right as he's landing in the united kingdom for such an important state visit, but not only is this norm-shattering, these tweets only further bolster all of

these accusations and theories that were flying around that when the administration first sued to stop at&t from merging with cnn's parent company then called time warner, that it was all about politics. the administration said for months it's not about politics, but about antitrust grounds and many in the anti-trust community, even those who wanted further government intervention said that this was a week case and as we saw that case failed in court and on the appeal. now, it wasn't just president trump who wanted to stop this deal, but we also have to keep in mind that william barr, the current attorney general, once actually sat on twarny's board, a and he himself questioned the merits of the case and the politics that could bring this case forward. the politics were never argued in court. the judge blocked communications between the white house and doj and this case lost on pure

antitrust grounds and at&t and cnn have declined to comment in reaction to these tweets. >> appreciate your insights there. an interesting story, both from a business and a politics perspective. back into the room, the point made at the end is the most delicious about this. the president can criticize us all we hants. fire away, part of his politics. that's what he does. have a "new york times" on the table. you've on on the receiving end of this as well. you only hurt the one you love, and he's -- >> i'm sure it's true in this case. >> well, we know he reads a lot of "new york times" and watches a lot of cnn but bill barr is his attorney general and bill barr as an attorney for time warner at the time argued that this was all politics, because the president had animus towards cnn. a "vanity fair" piece about this back in the day and in the declaration william barr said of this. the product not of a well-versed substantive analysis of political or other motivation. he said that's disturbing to me. >> you would think he would

embrace that pause he's liked the way the attorney general has performed since he's joined the administration so maybe mr. barr can get him to listen to that. >> one thing to trash talk the press, but the idea that the president would actually seek to shut down companies. >> that employ tens of thousands of americans. >> that's very serious. >> he called for changes to libel laws which is one of the fundamental pillars of the first amendment because he doesn't like news coverage. >> interesting, shall we say. i'll leave it there for now. >> up next the presidential son-in-law touts his big middle east peace plan as the secretary of state raises questions about it behind closed doors. a homewood suites for my uncle. a hampton for my sister and her kids. and the waldorf astoria beverly hills for me. can i get a..? thank you. book at hilton.com and get the hilton price match guarantee.

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a lot of things for a lot of years, and they have been lied to. i think that they have been misled, and i think that a lot of the things that people have held out for them have just not come through for one way or the other, and you can blame all different types of things, but i do think that they should have self-determination. i'm going to least details until we come out with the actual plan. >> self-determination is different than saying a state and to question they are ready to govern themselves in the here and now. questions about the palestinian corruption and about the people that have been around forever but to say that as you're about to release your plan complicates it more, doesn't it in. >> clearly it do, and i think that there were a lot of moments in that -- in a great interview with axios that jared kushner perhaps wasn't prepared for. i mean, we talked about this moment, talking about the latest with his plan in the middle east. also his comments about the president's -- his own father-in-law's birtherism. that was clearly a moment he should have thought ahead,

perhaps expected that and maybe coming and did not have a good response to that. >> to that point, let's just listen. unless you've been hiding on another planet, not even on a cave on this one, you know president trump's history were president obama and birtherism. >> was birtherism racist in the. >> look, i wasn't real involved in that. >> i know you weren't. >> was it racist? >> like i said, i wasn't involved in that. >> i know you weren't. was it racist? i know who the president is rand i've not seen anything in him that was racist. again, i was not involved in that. >> do you wish he didn't do that? >> i was not involved in that. that was a long time ago. >> i was not involved in that. it's racist. >> well, a long time ago is not a great rationale for something in that -- in that instance. i agree with seung min. how you not have an answer ready

into? it's one of the big problems with people with obama that and weirdly attacking obama for golfing all the time, but it's just amazing to me to watch that interview that he wasn't more prepared. for somebody who is supposed to be the sharp guy on the inside of the administration. >> i don't know how you do prepare for that though because there isn't a good answer to that question, you know. i don't think he -- i think he knows better than to come out and say on national television that his father-in-law is a rates of or has done racist things, and so, you know, he's trying to find some way to not answer the question, and he could have just said i'm not answering that question which is essentially what he did, but, you know, and this is the larger problem for someone like jared kushner who is doing interviews like this to burnish his brand which is arguably been damaged by his association with his father-in-law and with the white house, but he also can't create any separation because that -- it's a part of him, and that relationship is very important to him. >> so he further damaged his brand with that answer because he was unwilling to damage his

standing with his father-in-law, the president of the united states. okay. i think i get that. thanks for joining us on "inside politics." don't go away. a busy news day. brianna keilar starts right now. enjoy your afternoon. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. under way right now, across the pond the president, the queen, tea time and an awkward encounter with a prince in the middle half nasty dispute. we know that birtherism is racist, but the president's son-in-law isn't so sure, and would he alert fbi if the russians email him again? he also won't say. the jaw-dropping interview with jared kushner. plus, an admission from the secretary of state that the president's middle east plan may be hopeless, and one worker thought he was just living through an active shooter drill, but tonight 12 families won't have their loved ones home after another mass shooting