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outfront next. breaking news. president trump pressing to reopen the government in just weeks, as the u.s. suffers its deadliest day since the outbreak began. plus, new hampshire allowing voters to mail in ballots. calling it fraudulent. governor responds and the trump campaign trying to paint joe biden as weak when it comes to china and the pandemic, and they are doing it by employing a former united states governor as an official. let's go outfront. and good evening, i am erin burnett. out front tonight, the breaking news. the u.s. reporting the most deaths in a single day because of coronavirus. 1,935. it is a grim milestone coming on the same day president trump says he wants to relax restrictions as soon as possible. but a new federal projection, reportedly, warns of a possible

infection spike if it's done too soon. and, today, the president's top coronavirus expert warning that now is not the time to let up on social distancing. >> it's important to remember that this is not the time to feel that, since we have made such important advance in the sense of success of the mitigation that, we need to be pulling back at all. >> yet, tonight, aides are working on plans to reopen the government, perhaps as soon as may 1st. it is a choice, the president says, for him, is like no other. >> i don't know that i have had a bigger decision. but i'm going to surround myself with the greatest minds. i want to get it open as soon as we can. we have to get our country open. i only hope to god that it's the right decision. but i would say, without question, it's the biggest decision i've ever had to make. >> we have a lot to get to tonight. i want to start with kaitlan

collins. she is out front live in washington at the white house. cat lien, t kaitlan, the president adamant he wants to reopen country as soon as possible. but it seems clear if he makes a mistake, this will be on him. >> yeah, erin, i think he is right when he says this could be one of the biggest decisions of his presidency because, depending on which way it goes, it's going to have reverberations for not only what could happen in november but also for the president's legacy. so you saw him so hesitant to put a date on really what he is thinking today. that comes after he had to already back off the easter deadline, which of course is going to happen this weekend, and that is not going to look like what the president initially wanted it to. and so the question really is, is what does the president decide ultimately? because we know, internally, his team is already looking at opening the country next month. some of them are even focusing on that may 1 deadline, specifically, looking at what that would look like. but listen to what dr. fauci said when he was asked today about what the country would even look like once those guidelines they put out have been relaxed.

>> so don't let anyone get any false ideas that when we decide, at a proper time, when we're going to be relaxing some of the restrictions, there's no doubt, you're going to see cases. i would be so surprised if we did not see cases. the question is how you respond to them. >> i mean -- >> so you see and as we have seen -- yeah, still a very different remark coming from the health experts and from the president. >> kaitlan, it's pretty incredible when he says that and of course there will. i guess, it's a question of how many. and the president, you know, you are talking about dr. fauci, kaitlan. but also is going to be bringing in a group of business leaders, i understand, to make his decision. what more can you tell us about that? >> yeah. this is going to be the second task force and it's only focused on reopening the economy, and we are told it's not going to be as formal as this first one you have seen where they meet every day for an hour and a half to two hours. typically, they come out and brief reporters. but it is' going to be a mix of

administration officials like the treasury secretary, the president's top economic advisers, but also some private-sect private-sector economic experts as well because those are going to be the people focused on what that is going to like like. while the president said today he has authority over states and whether or not the country reopens, we know it's up to governors but they are also going to be seeking guidance from the federal government on what they think the best practices could be, just like they were on these social distancing guidelines. >> we have also heard a lot about the racial disparities and they are pretty stunning hitting communities of color, spe specifically african-americans, the hardest. the president said a couple days ago they were going to be kmgs out with a lot more information, statistics in the next day or two. what are they saying now? >> yeah. one of those is that one in three of the people who end up having to go to the hospital that get diagnosed with coronavirus are african-american. so the surgeon general, directly today in personal terms where at one point he was talking about

his own health issues. but listen to what his message was for people out there and think that maybe they are not vulnerable to getting coronavirus. >> the chronic burden is likesly to make people of color especially ravaged of covid-19. and, in fact, likely that the burden of social ills is also contributing. we need you to do this, if not for yourself, then for your abuela. do it for your granddaddy. do it for your big mama. do it for your pop pop. >> so, erin, the surgeon general was saying make sure you are checking in on family members and people to make sure they're okay during this time period. and he said he wanted to make clear he did not think this was any kind of genetic or biological reason why you are seeing minorities end up with different cases, different numbers, than what we're seeing from other races. he was saying it's really a social thing, and that's why he

wanted to issue that message saying, you know, here's what's going on. here is what we are seeing. we are still getting more information, but we want to make sure everyone's taking the proper precautions as we move forward. >> all right. kaitlan, thank you very much. and the number of cases in the united states has now crossed the half a million mark. that happened just tonight, just a short time ago. more than half a million americans. while the president may be eager to reopen the nation, both los angeles county and the state of vermont have now extended formal stay at home orders by at least another month and that takes them well into the middle of may. and, across the country tonight, there are signs of -- well, different places are in different places when it comes to that so-called curve. nick watt is out front. >> reporter: there are triumphs, cheers for the recovery. numbers in new york's icus are actually down for the first time. some encouraging signs. >> we're starting to level on the logarithmic phase, like

italy did about a week ago, because of the impact of what the citizens of new york and new jersey and across connecticut, and now rhode island, are doing to really change the course of this pandemic. >> but, still, so much pain. tara gabriel's mom, now gone, but more than just a sta tutist >> my mother was a real person. she was loving and selfless and kind. >> in new york, now, the bodies of unclaimed covid-19 victims being taken to hart island for burial. the official death count of more than 5,000 in the city could be undercounted, with people dying untested at home. according to "the new york times." that state, now, has more confirmed reported cases than any country on earth, according to data from johns hopkins university. in l.a. now, you have to wear a mask in a store. >> if you are not covering your face, by friday morning, an essential business can refuse

you service. >> but, in florida, they are thinking about reopening schools. >> if we get to the point where people think that we're on the other side of this and we could get kids back in, even if it's for a couple weeks, we think that there would be value in that. this particular pandemic is one where i don't think, nationwide, there's been a single fatality under 25. >> yes, people under 25 have died of coronavirus disease in the united states of america. >> florida's governor has now walked that last part back, a little. >> not in florida. and so, in florida, we've had no fatalities under 25. >> and starting tomorrow in michigan, if you own more than one home in the state, you got to pick one and stay there. in illinois, they are warning all big events could be cancelled until there is a vaccine. months, perhaps even a year or more, away. they are also discouraging church services. >> today's good friday. easter sunday. we have to stay inside. >> but in kansas, the governor is still in a legal battle. hoping to limit church services

to ten people. >> the need to congregate is important but not during a pandemic. >> and testing remains an issue, even weeks into this pandemic. in one study of 51 coronavirus patients, the current test missed 16 of them. an antibody test is said to be days away to identify those recover recovered and, therefore, potentially immune and able to return to work. but can the country start to open may 1, as the president hopes? and what might be the toll? >> don't let anyone get any false ideas that, when we decide, at a proper time, when we're going to be relaxing some of the restrictions, there's no doubt, you're going to see cases. >> so, yeah, here in l.a. county, we were told this afternoon, erin, that we are going to have to stay home for at least another five weeks. possibly, longer. and they say they are extending it because it is working. now, a sliver of good news.

those stimulus package checks will start being sent out to people next week, according to the irs. front of the line, if you have filed your '18 and '19 taxes and gave the irs your direct debit details. also, social security recipients. everyone else, i'm afraid to say it could be weeks or even months before you get that money. >> nick watt, thank you for that. if you already filed and paid, they will put you more toward the front of the line. well, the president says the facts are going to determine when the time is right to reopen the country, he also says there isn't a big problem with testing nationwide. but of course the facts do show there is a long way to go. it is often incredibly difficult to obtain a test in this country. up front now, dr. william

schaffner. doctor, it's good to have you back. so you now have the latest numbers coming out from the white house saying thousands fewer u.s. deaths than before. obviously, that is good news. but this is at the same time we're finding out they say well if things open too quickly, you could see a major spike in terms of new cases. so how -- how does this all play out for you? what are you more concerned about? opening too quickly? or not? >> well, it's good news, but not perfect news, right? we are just at the start of good news so we have to keep doing what we're doing. we just saw some models here in nashville. we thought we were going to be peaking in the next couple of weeks or in may. but the models show that we might peak in june. so that took a lot of us aback. so we have to keep doing, not just in nashville but, around the country, what we're doing, for a prolonged period of time yet, i think, because we don't

want to open things up and then have the virus come back on us. >> so can i just ask you because i know models depend on inputs and obviously you got a lot of input going into your model. but what you are saying is it's possible it could go the other direction. you are looking at a model that possibly says you could be seeing around nashville, the peak being pushed later. all the way into june. what changed in terms of the input that made it go from may to june? >> well, there are all kinds of inputs, as you say, erin, and one of the questions is how much asymptomatic transmission is going on out there? if there is a whole lot of it, then i think we end a little bit sooner, because there are more people who are protected. but if there's not as much as some of my colleagues believe, then we can still see cases going on for quite a bit longer. >> so when you look at the issue here, you are also talking about going into june where there is going to be warm weather. and there is no conclusive

information on whether the virus will spread easily when the weather gets warmer. despite the president saying it won't. you may remember him saying this, dr. schaffner. >> they're working hard. looks like, by april, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. >> and, you know, the former fda commissioner also said ordinarily with the coronavirus, you would see seasonality and a drop in the summer. but he was countering that with this is already so widely out there and it is so transmissible that the dip that you may, you know, see, just in terms of the cycle of the virus, may not be what people are counting on. it may be out there much more widely. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. and the normal human coronaviruses are somewhat seasonal but not as seasonal as influenza. they keep smoldering along during the summer. and of course, this is a new virus. and as i like to say, i don't know that this virus has read the textbook and knows what to do. so we can hope for the sunny side of the street. but we have to be aware of the shady side, too.

we can't let our guard down. >> so what do you think in terms of when to reopen? i know you can't give a hard date. but do you think this country's reopened in a way that we would all recognize as normal life, with festivals and major league baseball games this summer? or is that not part of any equation? >> rather than reopen, which sounds like very open. i think about peeking through a little sliver of the door one -- one step at a time. and then opening it up a little bit more and then a little bit more. and the mass gatherings, those are the things we'll do last. the concerts. the large athletic events and, frankly, the weekend religious services. >> those you would say would be among the last? >> i would because those are mass gatherings, which bring people very close together, intimately, and tthe virus love that.

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the virus forcing a political shift in a key electoral battleground. new hampshire's republican governor will now let voters cast mail-in ballots in november, if coronavirus is still a factor. governor is with me now and, governor, i appreciate your time. thanks so much for being with us on this friday. so i know last fall, you vetoed a bill that would have let voters vote by mail. back then, you -- you know, your comment was sort of that widespread absentee voting would erode part of what makes new hampshire so unique. but, obviously, now, you think it's necessary to have a change. why? >> well, obviously, the covid-19 pandemic changes everything for everyone. the bill i vetoed last year is probably a bill i would still veto because that would change the laws permanently. here in new hampshire, we take that incredibly seriously. we have a lot of integrity in the process. and we let it go off without a hitch every year. we always have about 10% that

vote absentee. this year, we understand regardless of where we are in the epidemic, we will likely have a greater number than 10%. could be 20, 30%. all we've really done is expanded the guidelines, the c secretary of state just expanded the guidelines where you check that box that says you want to get an absentee ballot for disability or health issue. and, again, you don't want public health to stand in the way of somebody's ability to cast a ballot. these are very extraordinary times. so we have stretched that and opened it up just a little bit. and then we go back to a system that's worked very, very well and tried and true for decades. >> you know, obviously, we all saw the pictures out of wisconsin of the the health department there tracking to see if the virus was spread among voters. people trying to social distance as best they could but, you know, it was pretty unsettling to see those images, given what the rest of the country and -- and they are also going through. and they weren't waiting in line

to vote. did those images and those scenes affect your thinking on this? >> no, because wisconsin is very different than new hampshire. i mean, we take our elections incredibly seriously. not that they don't but we just run things very, very differently here. so we will have a lot of time between now and september/november. i mean, they were really crunched trying to figure out what do with a matter of a couple weeks into a massive pandemic. so in terms of new guidelines or town halls for polling locations, we'll have a lot of time to be able to manage that. there will be funds out there that will allow our towns and polling locations to staff up for potentially the extra absentee ballots that might come in. and take time, again, spacing out the polling locations or practicing the different social distancing that has to happen as part of that process. >> a lot of people might say this makes complete sense and it's obvious. others may note you are a republican governor, and what you are saying is very different than what we're hearing from the

president. just to remind anybody who did not hear him say it at the briefing, here's what he said on tuesday. >> mail ballots, they cheat. okay? mail ballots are very dangerous things for this country because they're cheaters. >> what's your response to that, governor? >> again, you know, just speaking for new hampshire, we have a very secure tradition when it comes to absentee voting. people take is very seriously. we have a way of making sure there is not fraud within the absentee system. we've never had real issues around that whatsoever. by expanding a little bit makes perfect sense for the state of new hampshire. i can't speak for other states and where there might be fraud and issues in other states. here, in new hampshire, we get it right. >> but you're not full of a bunch of cheaters? >> no. i'm -- i'm not going to comment on the president's comments. you know, i can only speak for what happens here, in new hampshire. there is a reason we are the first gnat natiin the nation pr. there is a reason we don't have

a lot of the issues other states have. you have a pen, a piece of paper, there is a ballot. it's counted that night. we get it right every time. we are very proud of that. and that gives the integrity in the system, the public trust we have built over decades, allows us to make this slight change where we are just expanding a little bit. allowing towns to expand a little bit what they offer for an absentee ballot with assurance there won't be fraud. >> so your stay at home order in your state, where you are right now, is in place until may 4th. you are obviously saying guyou e going to give people the option in november, there are going to be great many people absent a vaccine. are not going to feel comfortable returning to normal life. the president says he has great authority but you are, ultimately, the chief executive of your state. that's your job to make a decision. your state epidemiologist says your peak in new hampshire is still several weeks away. has there been a change in that? or do you anticipate extending

your order past may 4th? >> no. again, i -- i plan on probably extending a lot of the orders past may 4th, even though our surge may come. remember, it's not going to be a smooth bell curve that you see. there is going to be a long tail here and hopefully the numbers continue to drop. but they're not going to drop to zero, as you mentioned, without a vaccine. my guess is over the next few months hopefully we see some type of pharmaceutical intervention that helps suppress the virus spread and suppress the symptoms in an elderly population and again get that mortality rate much farther down than it is right now. it's all about a run on the healthcare system and that's why we stretch and bend that curve, as you know. bending that curve really means stretching it over a much longer period much time. will it go to september, november? it very well may. unless you get down to szero, yu are still going to be in position where people are going to have a lot of fear and trepidation about getting out and going to their polling

places. this year is very different. so then we, as governors, have to operationalize not just the opportunities coming out of washington funding but operationalize the opportunities we have to create for that individual. that's what this is all about. it isn't about a big government solving everybody's problems. about actually empathizing and realizing what does the individual go through on voting day? whether a do they go through when they go to the supermarket? what do they go through when they have to decide whether to go to church or not? and by doing that as a governor on a localized level, we can make the best decisions for the citizens. >> governor, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> outfront next, 2020 dirty politics is a new trump campaign ad racist, as some critics are suggesting? well, we'll take it to former presidential candidate, biden supporter, andrew yang. plus, how to combat the psychological toll this pandemic is taking on america's healthcare workers, who are literally putting their lives on the line every day. it is a dark reality now for so

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out front tonight. the trump campaign's latest attack ad is portraying former vice president joe biden as soft on china and coronavirus. >> it is in our self-interest that china continue to prosper. >> what a beautiful history we wrote together. >> banning all travel will not stop it. >> the restriction on china -- >> that was a very smart move right there. >> xenophobia. >> i complimented him on dealing with china. >> the ad misleadingly takes biden's words out of context. he has not opposed coronavirus travel-related restrictions. the man depicted in this

split-second image and i just want to show you because it's important you see it because he is not a chinese official. he's american. his name is gary locke. he is a former washington state governor. he is the former u.s. ambassador to china. he is american. so why is he included as biden kissing up to china? out front now, andrew yang, cnn political commentator, and former presidential candidate. you know, andrew, the trump campaign responded to the criticism about this today. their spokesman tim murdock said the shot with the flag specifically places biden in beijing, in 2013. it's for a reason. that's the hunter biden trip. memory lane for old joe. but, of course, the person that he is with is -- is -- is locke. gary locke. what do you think this is really about? >> i think it's very clear they are casting gary locke, two-term governor of washington state and

secretary of commerce under president obama is a chinese leader. and that's flatout wrong, on so many levels. the ad is trying to distract from trump's epic mismanagement of the coronavirus that has cost us two months of being able to identify patients, and trace their contacts. instead, we have wound up in our homes, trying to mitigate the spread. it's cost our economy trillions of dollars. cost our families thousands of lives. cost us millions of jobs. and so he is trying to distract from that. and, unfortunately, this ad is consistent with him calling covid-19, or the new coronavirus, the chinese virus. he is trying to cast it as a foreign -- foreign agent or foreign effort. and i'll tell you who gets hit the worst from this. it's chinese-americans and asian-americans, who have already reported hundreds, even thousands of assaults around the country. i -- like, it -- it boils my

blood that he is trying to distract from his epic failures by racializing this virus. >> this has happened to you, right? you have talked about this. that you have experienced this. this racism now, even in the grocery store. >> i bet it's happened to every asian-american, at this point, erin. and i heard a heartbreaking story yesterday. there was an er doctor, who is asian-american, in brooklyn who literally helped a grandmother say good-bye to her children. and is like, you know, risking his own safety. and then he goes home and gets called racial epithets on the way home when he is risking his life trying to help people. it's happened to me but it's happened to asian-americans around the country. like, children got stabbed in texas who are asian-american. being blamed for the coronavirus. so it -- it's not just dirty looks. it's getting much, much more sinister and threatening than that. and it has to stop. >> and in an op-ed you wrote last week, you suggested some ways that asian-americans could

combat this. you know, the bigotry. and you wrote, in part, andrew, we asian-americans need to embrace and show our americanness in ways we never have before. we need to step up, help our neighbors, donate gear, wear red, white, and blue, fund organizations, and do everything in our power to accelerate the end of the crisis. some asian-americans have questioned your idea saying why do we need to prove we're american? why do we need to do those things when we already are? you know, what's your response to that criticism? >> of course, we're all americans. asian-americans, all americans. we all just need to do everything we can to kpaacceler the end of this virus. and, in that op-ed, i noted that 17% of u.s. doctors on the front lines are asian-american. and all i was saying was that all americans have to come together in this time. >> so because of the unprecedented and incredible economic collapse that we've been seeing, right, you know, we

lost 16 million jobs, 21 days, in the united states. these are numbers that, you know, they're just simply stunning and incomprehensible. and, in spain, they are now saying because of this dire situation, they actually want to establish a universal income on a permanent basis. this of course was the cornerstone of your presidential campaign. sort of elements of it, temporarily, in that $2 trillion stimulus package. do you believe this has a chance of sticking? >> it will stick, 100%, erin. millions of americans, even tens of millions, are going to get $1,200 in their bank accounts, this week. and they're going to find that it helps them pay their bills. it helps them secure their family's groceries and helped keep a roof over their head. it's not going to do anything to transform their personalities or make them lazy or any of the ridiculous counterarguments that

have been used. this is here to say. it's going to be vital because our economy's transformation, unfortunately, has been accelerated by this crisis. more and more jobs that we're losing are never going to come back. those 16 million jobs you're talking about, they will not be back like a rubber band snapping back into place, in a number of months. they're gone. and we need to start building a new economy that's going to work for people. universal-based income is going to be a huge even central part of that. >> andrew, thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> appreciate you, erin, stay safe. >> all right. you, too. andrew yang there. out front next, how will we know when it's safe to emerge from this isolation? there could be a test to help determine that. how soon is it? what is it? and will you be able to get one? dr. sanjay gupta explains next.

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have an antibody test, quote, very soon. but some health experts say it's going to take more than that to get americans back to work. former fda commissioner scott gottlieb spoke with jake tapper earlier today and said the number of coronavirus cases could still rise in the coming months. and he points out that the vast majority of americans have not been exposed to the virus. >> we test the population, broadly, to see who's been exposed to antibodies, i think we are going to find it's a very small percentage. there is not this mass population of people who are now immune to this virus and can return to work safely. >> white house experts insist that antibody tests will be valuable in fighting the pandemic. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, has filed this special report. >> according to the coronavirus task force, more than 2 million tests have now been performed in the united states. and, yet, there are still people who need to be tested, such as healthcare workers, who can't

get one. it's part of the reason there is now so much interest in a different kind of test. an antibody test. dr. fauci told cnn, on friday, it's coming soon. >> i'm certain that's going to happen. that, within a period of a week or so, we're going to have a rather large number of tests that are available. >> but what, exactly, are antibodies? they are proteins in the immune system that develop days after someone has been infected. and it's the antibodies that make someone immune to becoming reinfected. it means two things. you were previously infected, and you are now likely to be protected, at least for a while. >> we think it will be a tool to help us get people back to work. it will be additional information because, as you know, if you have an antibody, that means you were exposed and have recovered from it. >> that's why public health agencies around the world want these antibody tests. because it could help some people get back to their daily lives. you remember the swab test we're

all familiar with. well, that tests for the virus itself. specifically, its genetic material. problems are, first of all, at some point after you recover, that test will be negative. and, secondly, a lot of people have had trouble getting that diagnostic test in the first place. the antibody test is more definitive. there are only a few reasons you would have antibodies in your blood. you got someone else's antibodies, by an injection of their blood. you got a vaccine, which teaches your body to make antibodies. or you were infected. the antibody test requires a sample your blood and this strip, which has proteins from the virus on it. if your blood reacts to that strip, it means you have apt bodies in your blood. >> and i think really being able to tell them -- the peace of mind that would come from knowing you already were infected, you have the antibody, you're satisfacto

you're safe from reinfection 99% of the time. >> another benefit of antibody testing, surveillance. in places like miami dade county florida, santa clara county, california, and colorado, they have already started using antibody tests to get a better sense of people, many of whom who we wiill be surprised to le have already been exposed to the virus. >> the purpose of that is to see whose serum converts and develops the antibodies, meaning who was actively infected during this period of quarantine. >> a cdc spokesperson told cnn the agency has already used these tools to, quote, monitor contacts of infected people and to identify individuals who, due to mild infection, may have not known they were infected. getting the antibody tests up and running, much like the test to detect the virus itself, have been challenging. in a rush to get these tests to

market, the fda lowered the regulatory standards. and what followed were a lot of unreliable and inaccurate tests. >> there is a series of antibody tests out there that have not been validated. some of the tensts that may be available on the internet may have very slow sensitivity and specificity, and give you a false reassurance that you either give you a false positive or a false negative. implying that you may be protected. >> and of course that was a special report from sanjay gupta. out front next. helping those who are helping us. how do we address the huge psychological issues, the crisis, that is looming for those who are on the front lines of the coronavirus? the doctor who is treating some of her fellow health professionals, who has just survived her own fight with coronavirus, is next. when we started our business

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we've taken you into the hospitals, watched the challenges. one psychiatrist who's dealt with coronavirus herself, is now helping frontline medical professionals with their part of this extraordinary fight. out front now is dr. anna yusem and, doctor, thank you so much for your time and, you know, before we talk about what you are doing now to help others, i want people to understand a little bit about you. i mean, you and your husband both tested positive for the virus. i know you have now recovered. but tell me about that. i mean, how that happened, and how severe it was for you, yourself. >> absolutely. so my husband and i did, indeed test positive. we're not sure how we got it. we could have got it from riding

the subway. we think perhaps we got it at a jewish event we went to at a place of worship. but we're not sure because everybody from that party seemed to come down with symptoms after. for me, it was minimal. for a lot of people it was minimal. but for my poor husband, he actually started immediately getting really sick and he was out. and he had to be hospitalized for a few days which was quite terrifying because this was at the beginning of the new york epidemic of coronavirus. we didn't know which direction this was going to go. thank god, he god better and, you know, i am a expire chspiri person. i ended up calling every spiritual person i knew so we had tons of rabbis, priests, shaman, energy workers. so he was discharged in a few days of going in for oxygen

thank god. and as this was happening, i was also sick with coronavirus myself. feeling a little under the weather. and all my patients were -- because i treat so many frontline workers, go a little crazy. so all this was happening at the same time and it was a bit of pandemonium, both personally and professionally. but having both recovered, we are so, so glad to be able to offer patients the hope that most people get through this and it's okay. >> i mean, that's got to be an incredible part of it. plus, the fact that you have gone through it, you can now see them. you know, some of your patients. i mean, i understand you are now treating about 15 frontline medical workers. i mean, we can all sort of imagine from afar, or when we have family members in that line of work, try to understand what they are going through. but we really can't because we're not there putting our lives on the line, every day, as they are. what -- what are they really talking to you about? i mean, what are they going through? >> yeah. for a lot of these people, it's

actually quite unimaginable. they have never felt that lack of safety and security in their lives, and one of my nurses that i treat. she said to me i didn't sign up for a suicide mission. and they're thinking, some of them are thinking do i quit because this is so dangerous. i don't want to endanger my family, my children. i don't want to endanger my aging parents i have to care for. there is that question. or do i keep going? and most of them choose to keep going because this is my commitment. this is why i went into medicine. i want to care for people. and, yes, all of us, including the hospital administrators and everybody else, are faced with these problems of lack of ppe and really just so much uncertainty as to what is this disease? how do you treat it? what do you do? and it's really overwhelm on so many levels. so lack of safety, lack of security, that's just the tip of the iceberg. but then it's everything else. it's putting the people you most love in danger by virtue of this lack of safety. >> so what -- what do you tell them? and i know they are also seeing death in a way that they, often, they usually don't see it. i mean, they -- they -- they are

accustomed, i know, in many cases, to seeing death and the tragedy and loss of death. but not death, alone, in a room, where there is no family with anybody. you know, death in this -- this -- this lonely, isolated way. i mean, what do you -- what do you tell them? i mean, i know it's deeply individual. b but, for many people out there now who are having all these feelings of fear and loneliness. >> yeah, absolutely. and i think you're exactly right. people have never -- like, the majority of people i have treated have never dealt with this level of death because hospitals are at capacity. there aren't enough people to treat because so many doctors are coming down with covid themselves. so hospitals are completely flexed to the max. and really, people are just overwhelmed and they are being told that they have to run a marathon. but they're like i'm already burned out at the end of 100 yards. so what do you tell them? you tell them they have to do the best they can and they have to keep going. you remind them why they went into medicine.

when something so dark and bleak comes upon us, something that we really don't know what we're facing, we don't know when it's going to end. but we do know it will end. one day, it will end. so that's another thing you have to remind people of. there is a light at the end of the tunnel. and we also just don't know how to work with our inner world in the midst of these circumstances because there are so overwhelming. i feel that my job is to give people that strength to overcome and to move forward. to work with their inner world, no matter how much the outer world is dangerous and unsafe and unpredictable. and the way you do that is every day you have to find that place of centeredness within yourself. you have to look within and find the still and quiet, even when everything around you is screaming and full of uncertainty. and then, second, all the emotions that come at you, and there is going to be a lot, you have to let yourself feel them. sometimes it's tempting to not feel. and sometimes, for the sake of survival, you have to get through the day, not feel. but if you keep doing that and you keep hardening your heart in

that way, eventually, what happens is the emotions get the better of you, and you break down. but if you actually are able to feel that pain. feel the pain of your patients. feel the compassion, both for all the family members, for all the people going through this, but also for yourself for being in the situation. you are able to move through this and metabolize those emotions much more freely than if you just put up a wall. so those are two things. >> well, dr. yusem, i really appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> outfront next, back to school. a warning tonight from the nation's top infectious disease official after florida's governor floats the possibility that he could be close to doing just that.