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deaths are confirmed in this country and nearly 1.2 cases have been confirmed. but states keep pushing and pushing ahead with reopening plans. more than 40 states will have eased restrictions by the end of this week. our guests are standing by with reaction including the former defense secretary and the house speaker nancy pelosi. let's get to gyjim acosta first. these are disturbing projections. >> president trump stayed behind closed doors. the white house is pushing back on this internal projection that estimates 3,000 deaths per day by the end of this month. that is nearly double what the nation is going through right now. while the white house is pushing back on the report, one close to the coronavirus task source said projections should be taken
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seriously. >> reporter: as president trump is expected to raise his projections on the death, projections were being done internally. >> we are going to lose 75 or 80,000. that's a horrible thing. >> reporter: a report estimates as many as 3,000 deaths per day by june 1, up sharply from the current numbers. one reason, states ending stay at home restrictions and opening businesses. president trump had been contradicting his own experts. >> our projections has always been 100,000 to 200,000 american lives lost and that's with full mitigation. >> reporter: pushing back saying
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this is not a white house document. and saying -- but a separate model often cited by the white house is upping its projection as well. estimating 134,000 deaths by the virus, doubling its estimates. the white house is still pointing its finger at china that they mistakenly released it on the world. >> i think they made a horrible mistake. didn't want to admit it. they knew they had a problem and were embarrassed by the problem. >> reporter: the white house accuses beijing of hiding the outbreak and stockpiling supplies u. parts of the staadministration
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it's possible it came from animals. >> we said that it came from wuhan. >> and even a swipe at former president bush. >> reporter: the president complained he didn't come to his defense during the impeachment saga speaking of the greatest hoax in american history. president trump also said he was treated worse than honest abe. >> i am growthed with a hostile press, the likes of which no one has seen. everybody said no one was treated worse than lincoln. i believe i am treated worse.
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>> reporter: sources tell cnn the white house is working to limit task force members from testing at white house hearings, fewer hearings hearing from dr. birx or dr. fauci though he is expected to testify next week. dr. fauci was expected to testify at the house, but that was denied. as top aides deny, they are not allowing dr. fauci to testify on the hill and it makes you wonder if they are contradicting areas from the past. >> let's get to the news of easing coronavirus restrictions. let's go to nick. nick, california's governor says retail stores can start to
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reopen this friday. >> reporter: he does, wolf, but with serious modifications. i believe the first wave will be pickup only and he is working with experts to change the configuration of inside of stores and restaurants so we can keep social distancing. california is one of the first to embrace the stay at home. when the restrictions begin to ease, it will be 50 days since the governor signed that order telling us to stay home. >> today restaurants can reopen in nebraska and florida, bars in montana. yes, some social distancing restrictions end, but by the end of this week more than 40 states will be partially back open. >> we have been staying indoors and slowing down the spread, but we haven't gotten rid of the
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virus. >> reporter: in miami beach they had to close the park after the police issued 7300 warnings to people not wearing masks. experts still advise social distancing. >> they go home and affect their grandmother or grandfather who has a co-morbid condition and it is a bad income, they will feel guilty for the rest of their lives. >> reporter: the projections have doubled from 134,000 in that well-known model from washington. >> the relaxation of social distancing we are adding more presumptive deaths and more outbreaks in the west. >> reporter: you see the northeast hot spots.
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>> you see the decline is not as steep as the incline, but reopening is more difficult than the closedown. >> reporter: but in 20 states the daily count is still rising. wisconsin, illinois. new york city making their own tests. they say 30,000 will be available by friday. >> this is a first in our city's history. >> reporter: in los angeles heavy traffic on a free test. >> some retail will be allowed to open friday with modifications. certain areas of low concern can move faster. >> we will afford them that right with conditions and modifications that meet the health needs of the entire state. >> reporter: meanwhile the white house is focusing on 14 potential vaccines.
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>> we are confident we will have a vaccine at the end of the year. >> miracles can happen, it could come together, but i am not banking on it. >> reporter:makers of remdesivir said they have donated 140,000 courses to the federal government. >> they will determine based upon things like icu beds, where the epidemic is in the united states. they will begin shipping 10s of thousands of treatment out this week. >> reporter: it is said most are inaccurate because of high false positives. new ones are out that roche claims are more accurate. >> listen to this in d.c. --
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>> reporter: that's the supreme court for the first time in history recei history meeting by teleconference. and just one more thing. where that model was produced that doubled the projected deaths. they believe for every 1 did he gre degr degr degree centigrade in temperature, it drops by a%. --% -- per sent. if might math is right, that's about a 40% drop in virus. which has to be significant somehow. >> thanks. another grim milestone. the johns hopkins study says there have been more than a
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quarter of a million confirmed, confirmed, deaths from the coronavirus around the world. more than a quarter of a million globally. sad situation unfolding. joining us the former secretary of defense. thank you for joining us. that university of washington medical school model often cited by the white house has revised its projected death toll up to 134,000 americans by august 4. the earlier projection was 72,000. about 68,000 americans have died over the past two months. has the trump administration from your perspective grasped the scale of this human suffering? >> i think those numbers, wolf, are a giant wake-up call to the entire country that we cannot take this virus for granted.
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this is the most serious crisis we have confronted since world war ii. the reality is looking at the possibility of 134,000 dead by august and something like 3,000 dying each day, i think it is absolutely essential that we recognize the human cost involved with this virus. i think the president needs to understand that it is incredibly important now for this country to be unified in dealing with this spread. >> on that note, what does it say to you, and you are a former mem member of the house of representatives, that the president is putting up a barrier for dr. fauci and other members of the corona task force
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to testify before the house. >> this is a major crisis. when we are in the military war, we ask the secretary of defense, generals, chiefs, admirals, to come up before the congress to testify because they are the people that know exactly what is going on in war. this is a health care war that we are in. the people that know what is going on are health care officials. people like dr. fauci and dr. birx. they understand what is happening. and they have a responsibility to the american people, to congress, to the country, to tell the truth about what is taking place with this virus. they have credibility. and congress has the responsibility to act on behalf of the american people to find out the truth. so they ought to testify not just on the senate side, but on the house side as well. >> at least for now maybe the
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senate, but not necessarily the democratic led house. the president said he wasn't told about it until the end of january. i am quoting the president. he said he was told it was not a big deal. as a former cia director, does that explanation make sense to you? >> no, it doesn't. there were a number of presidential intelligence briefs that contained information about the potential for this pandemic, going back into last year. those pdbs all warned about the problem. his officials warned about the problem. there were others that made clear we were facing the possibility of a pandemic.
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look, if this was just one warning somewhere in the past, it would be understandable for him to say he didn't know. but when you have warning after warning after warning, there is no excuse for the president of the united states not to take those warnings seriously. >> secretary panetta, thanks for joining us. just ahead i will speak with house speaker nancy pelosi and we will speak about a brewing battle about the next relief package. without odors, stains or fuss. new ortho home defense max. bugs gone. stress gone.
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news on the coronavirus model forecasting 134,000 deaths in the united states by august 4. we are also told the trump administration is privately projecting the daily death toll will jump to 3,000 every day by june as more states are reopening. joining us now the speaker of the house nancy pelosi. thank you for joining us. we have a lot to discuss. first, what does it say to you that the white house is revising the death toll upward despite the weeks of social distancing. >> it's sad. obviously we have to work together to get the job done for the american people. this has to be something that issettecalis ettecally based. we have to have ability when we have a vaccine, god willing
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soon, but maybe a cure sooner, that is available to all americans and not a fear that this is just for some and we have a limited number of what the crisis is, the amount of people affected because we are not testing enough. this is about the lives, livelihood and electrified democracy. it says we have not acted upon the knowledge we had. what happened in the past is in the past. we can redo that later. but as we go forward we must insist on the truth and the truth can only be gained by finding out how many people are affected by this. this is why you see the disparity in some of the incomes and color. test, trace, treat, isolate. then we can start to turn these numbers around. the numbers you mentioned are heartbreaking. but people are hurting
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economically as well. he would want to see what is the key to ending this and the key is testing, testing, testing. that was our first bill on march 4, but it wasn't executed. most recent bill of 25 million for testing. that was resisted, but we did get it. we will have much more in the legislation we are writing now, cares two. >> 68,000 deaths in the united states over the last two months. even the president says that could go up to 100,000. dr. deborah birx says it could go up to 200 or 240,000. so these numbers could go up in the next few months. this new white house memo that says, among other things, for the month of may, no task force members or key deputies of
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task force may accept hearing invitations to the white house rouse. -- house. what is your response to this? >> i was hoping they would spend more time on the crisis than the daily shows that the president puts on. but we need to allocate resources for that. and to do that a new appropriations bill must be prepared in the house and we must have the information to act upon. the fact to say we are too busy to come to the capital is b business as usual, but it won't be helpful. we must insist on the truth. they said we are not going to the house, but dr. fauci can go to the senate. i guess mr. meadows, until a
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week or so ago being a member of the house of representatives knows that we will be very strictly insisting on the truth and they might be afraid of truth? >> you are talking about the new chief of staff who is now at the white house. another coronavirus stimulus package. leadership says there is no appetite for the type of bill you are pushing. they said there will be a pause before considering spending any more money. how far are we away from a fourth deal? >> i think you have to look to the basic support we have for what we are proposing. testing, testing, testing. tracing, tracing, tracing. treatment, treatment, treatment. isolate. this is the key to crossing the
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threshold to bring this to an end. the other part of it is about our heroes, state, local, municipals, county, tribal health care providers, first responders, police and fire, transit workers, postal service, all of the rest of that. they are essential workers for us to get the job done. m medicine to seniors. some of the first responders are in the most dangerous situation because they don't have all of the ppe, personal protective equipment they need, we have the chair of the national governors association, governor of maryland, they have joined together and asked for the amount they have asked. it is not for one year. might be for two or a little beyond. same thing with association of counties and the rest. to get money down to where the
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area of delivery of service is. that is all bipartisan. there are two things united on. one, to protect our workers, they are our heroes, on the front line to save other lives and now they may lose their jobs. the other thing -- maybe not the only -- but that this amount of money is what they need. the money would be used for two things. one is to offset the money already spent to address the coronavirus outlays of money and the other is revenue loss related to the coronavirus. so when they say we don't want this and that. it has nothing to do. we have a strong case and i think they will come around. >> let me play for you what the president said -- >> they want bailout for the
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states, the democrats, and a number of states that have not been managed well by democrats over a long period of time. we have to be very careful about that. but we will be doing infrastructure. i told steve today, we are not doing anything unless we get a payroll tax cut. >> is a payroll tax cut okay with you? >> no. >> if it is a nonstarter, why? >> this is all to be related to the coronavirus. we have enormous cost, much of it incurred because the president was in denial early on, delay caused deaths. that was then. let's start now and do things in a positive way. nobody is putting things on the table saying unless we have this, we are not doing that. he shouldn't either. but look at him saying the states want to be bailed out.
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the state he used as an example is illinois who got into financial problems because of a republican governor until governor pr governor prit zer came to bail them out. >> what is wrong with the payroll tax? >> we have 500 billion for states, 250, maybe 300 billion for local. this is a way for us -- this is a way for us to address the situation. there are other things. direct payment, unemployment insurance. issues like ppe, a great deal of money being put out there in a way that helps businesses stay open, but lets them have customers when they are open. so this is something -- we
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didn't just start this bill yesterday. this bill is what we were in the works with cares one. they did 150 for state and local. it wasn't enough. we are continuing that. we did testing in our first bill and testing last week. >> so what the president said -- excuse me, but the president says you could get most of what you want but he wants a payroll cut, otherwise he is not signing it into law, what are you going do? >> i am not negotiating with the president here. and he started denigrating governors and states. he didn't say that. let me tell you about the enthusiasm of our democrats and the knowledge that our brilliant chairs have about how to meet the need of the american people
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instead of answering the thing of the day that spews for tth fm the white house. this is about saving lives. >> i understand what you are saying. but he did say, as i told steve mnuchin yesterday, he said we are not doing anything unless we get a payroll tax. let's move on. i understand you don't want to discuss it. >> there is no need to put a line in the sand. did he say -- he said he will give anything for a payroll. >> he didn't say that. i did. >> i can't spend a lot of time on the president of the united states. we have worked in a bipartisan
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way. we have had four bills from the congress of the united states. each and every one bipartisan. we are very proud of that. we have worked together with our differences. we all didn't get everything we wanted. we had negotiations, were proud to turn cares one from corporate triple down to a bubble in legislation. we were pleased in the last interim bill to have it not just be about ppe which we are all supportive of and part of creating, but also to go to the underbank, smaller businesses that did not have connections with bank. not only that, $100 billion for hospitals and for testing, testing, testing. we went from 250 to 484 and all of that additional was for lower income, underbanked, smaller businesses, minority women,
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native americans, rural smaller businesses that couldn't compete in the larger banking arena. it was a big improvement. we will see what the results are, but whatever it is, we made progress. maybe not enough and we will just have to see where we go from here. >> all right -- >> we had bipartisan ship and we didn't do it by threatening each other. we looked at saving livelihoods. >> you and the senate majority leader rejected an offer from the president for 1,000 tests for members of congress. if you are going to help front line workers, why not accept those tests? >> because they don't have them. the fact is we have said that the tests should go to those on the front line who have direct
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communication contending with this. our capital physician has said we don't need to have them in terms of the exposure that we have. we are not -- the testing organization has not said you are not next we can bump you in line and push other people out of the way, but you are not next in terms of essential workers. so if any individual member -- i am not going into the privacy of their lives -- that's up to the doctor to determine, but we have custodians and thousands of people who make the congress function who protect us in terms of this virus. outside of our first responders and the rest, they should be getting this before we do. i don't know there is one member of congress who says i want to have a test before my
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constituent gets one. i was pleased we were able to do that in a bipartisan way. >> thanks for that facemask you have. i know you just flew back from california. you are telling me you wore that the whole flight? >> yeah, i had to sip water underneath. everybody on the plane had on facemasks including the crew. i highly recommend it, but the thing is that it breaks your heart to hear the stories, the matter of life and death. so sad. the heartbreak for the dream for people for small business. we want to make sure what we do is for those we truly need it and we will get through this in a way.
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some of the disparity. we have frozen access to credit for some people and with this bill we can open some of this up. whether access to credit or access to care, we want to be sure, as sad as this all is, that we make progress, and i will end where i began, with the ethics of it all. >> thank you for joining us. i know you are incredibly busy. thank you for joining us. >> take care. thank you to cnn for doing all you do to spread the word. >> good luck to you on capitol hill. a key model is projecting 134,000 dead americans by early august. we will talk about that and more with our own dr. sanjay gupta. (announcer) in this world where people are staying at home,
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we are breaking down some alarming new predictions that coronavirus will actually surge in the united states as social distancing restrictions a eased in the months ahead. predictions are 134,000 deaths by early august. dr. sanjay gupta joins us.
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does the past deaths in the past two months take into account the toefr efforts to reopen the country? >> it seems to. the projections are all over the place. people following the models have seen they have changed dramatically. the numbers were going up from this model from washington. they realize the plateau -- we have come to this plateau in terms of numbers of new infections on a daily basis. we haven't really come down on the back side of that curve. the longer you are in the plateau the higher the numbers will be. wolf, absolutely. before now they hadn't taken into account the idea that reopening are obviously going to lead to more infections and sadly, more deaths. they are trying to make a prediction. the number is just about doubled when they did that. >> as you know, sanjay, the
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government has shifted the policy on testing to require more oversight. what led to the change and remind our viewers why antibody testing could be so significant? >> the reason that they did this, wolf, because there is a lot of bad tests out there. i get these calls, people asking if they should be tested for antibodies. a lot of them haven't been accurate. there is one that is the diagnostic test for the virus itself, looking for the presence of the virus. what you would get to get there is a false negative. i'm negative. i don't have the virus and you might go out into public and infect people. with the antibody, you are looking for evidence you have been infected in the past and now you have antibodies which might give you protection in the future. now we don't know if those
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antibodies provide for protection or how long that protection is. you get a false positive, hooray, i can go out in public, and in fact you don't have antibodies and could still get infected. the key is they have to be accurate and you have to be able to get the results quickly. >> that is key. thank you, dr. sanjay gupta. coming up i will speak to the govern he were of colorado and his concerns about a potential surge in deaths.
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don't think so? hold my pouch. let's get more reaction to the alarming new projection of deaths surging to 134,000 by early august. we are joined by colorado govern governor polis. the projection have been raised in the model to 134,000 by august 4. another 66,000 people they are projecting will die between now and august 4. are you comfortable with your plan to start reopening colorado given this vastly revised projection? >> yeah, that's not a model we have used in our planning. we have a colorado specific model the good folks at colorado
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university have created. i look at all models. but there could be as many losses ahead of us as behind us. this virus has never gone ahead. it was never a goal of any states, including colorado that foi figured to eradicate it. there are probably 3 or 4 million people who have it. the thing is not to overwhelm the hospitals. >> the state was allowed to reopen at 50% capacity. salons also allowed to reopen with some restrictions. how did you determine this timeline to reopen? >> one thing the model showed us, it doesn't matter so much the stay at home period ends, whether this week or last week.
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it's what is the social distancing you can institutionalize for a period of months. spacing at the workplace, half the work staff going in. if they need the other half, staggered shift, six feast feet apart. it's so people can fulfill themselves that they need to live. >> i know you are allowing mayors in colorado to set their own restrictions and that's understandable. do you worry people may travel between counties? >> mostly we are in tandem. colorado is in tandem with wyoming, nebraska, kansas. but even within our own state there is only a one week difference between some of the areas that had less virus. in grand junction they opened their first restaurants.
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metro denver hit harder and they are not opening for four or five days to sustain the plateau. >> as the weather gets warmer, what's your message to residents growing tireless of all these restrictions? >> if it helps, great, but we're counting on staying in social distancing, wearing masks when in public and all the extraordinary steps we're taking to protect the nursing homes and most vulnerable including increasingly screening asymptomatic employees to prevent additional outbreaks. >> what's the status of the schools in colorado right now, kindergarten through high school? >> they are not opening for this school year. we end the year early in the next two or three weeks most of the districts are finishing up. many of the districts are using their sites distributing meals, doing one-on-one. some doing small groups 10 and
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under for shop and vocational and we want our districts to use those sites. the school districts are getting ready to prepare for the fall which is to implement a full schedule with social distancing parameters with keeping people safe. klyou're thinking of starting the fall semester as maybe in july as the governor are proposing? >> a lot of schools are wondering about what about their summer programs? some have canceled already. what we're advising them is wait, some i think you could run with social distancing in small groups starting in june and july. we're waiting on that guidance. we know kids need their summer programming and we want to make sure they're not falling behind. >> good luck, governor pollis. appreciate you joining us as usual. just ahead we saw some big outdoor crowds over the weekend. the lack of social distancing. do americans have coronavirus fatigue?
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people are simply looking for a release from corona fatigue. the iconic blue angels and thunder birds staging flyovers over baltimore, washington and atlanta saturday to pay tribute to health care workers. thousands flocked to landmarks, large city parks and other public spaces to catch them. some calling it a relief from corona fatigue. >> i've been cooped up for the last few week and what an opportunity to come down and visit the nation's capitol than when you have the blue angels and thunder birds flying over. >> it was really nice. it really makes you feel really good. >> yeah, especially seeing other people out here. >> but that much needed respite, experts say is also a big part of the problem. >> the problem is that the virus is still circulating in the population. we still need to have all of the social distancing measures in place, all of the personal hygiene measures in place. >> but that didn't happen this weekend.
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scenes like this at the national mall showed that hundreds of people at a time were defying requests from public officials to stay home to watch the flyovers. same for central park and other parks in new york. hundreds not distancing enough, not wearing face masks. >> i said that i think it's disrespectful of people not to wear masks. you could literally kill someone because you didn't want to wear a mask. i mean, how -- how cruel and irresponsible would that be? >> in new york, new jersey, and florida over the past few days thousands of people were given warnings, summons and citations for not distancing enough or failing to wear face mask coverings in public spaces. parks and beaches that had been reopened closed again. a noted psychiatrist says what we've seen over the past few days is a release. people letting out pept up feelings over enclosure and anxiety. >> what we are releasing now is simply the notion that we need to continue to worry at such a
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feverish pitch. people can't focus for a long period of time at really high anxiety. after a certain amount of time we get worn-out. >> public health experts say this could grow more dangerous as the weather gets warmer as more people clamor to get out, even though who do engage at distancing in parks may not be doing it the right way. gatherering in groups of 6 to 8 people defeats the purpose experts say. >> it's difficult to navigate that in an open setting where you have lots of people coming in contact with each other. and it's not just necessarily a direct line, my face to your face. when we talk about 6 feet distance we're talking about it all -- at all angles here. >> but there's clearly growing tension between officials who are enforcing face masks and distancing and members of the public who are going out. in michigan over the weekend a security guard at a dollar store
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was shot and killed by a customer after telling that customer to wear a state mandated face mask, and wolf, there have been threats in other states against people like wal-mart employees trying to do that very thing. >> brian todd reporting for us, thank vae thanks very much. and to ow viewers thanks for watching. erin burnett out front starts right now. out front next, breaking news. two models predict a massive spike in deaths in the next two weeks. plus a dangerous face-off tonight between the u.s. and china. the united states claims there's enormous evidence the virus was made in a chinese plab. the chinese tonight responding and airline stocks tumbling as one of the nation's largest carriers suggests it may be forced to layoff a third of its pilots. is this just the beginning? let's go out front. >> and good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight the breaking news, two m