for george floyd. that's very important. >> yeah. justice. magic johnson, thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you, anderson. news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> really important conversation, anderson. thank you very much. let's continue anderson's conversation that should be going on all over this country. welcome. i'm chris cuomo. this is "prime time." george floyd as you may know was killed one week ago today. tonight i fear what's happening may make everything worse. if you want to see this country get to a better place, you can't just watch the coverage. you're not going to be led to a better place. i hope that is something you're aware of now and that it's not frightening. everything that matters most in this country has always been bottom-up. whether it's the pandemic. whether it's how we treat one another. whether how we demand justice

and fairness from our institutions. our president tonight treated nose who want change as the enemy. he gave a speech about what's going on and never mentioned the problem of police abuse. the abuse of force that started this. he never mentioned the problems that minorities face. during this period of social unrest, during this pandemic and beyond. he said he was an ally to protest aerers and the exact sa time he had officers forcing out peaceful protesters right across from where he was. you can see it. i want you to watch and watch this line advance and move these people out in a way that we didn't see last night. peaceful protesters. okay? and you check anywhere you want, these were peaceful protesters. he said he was an ally. it was all captured live.

so, he was lying in real time. as he was saying something, the opposite was being demonstrated. he was literally doing the worst to the people he said he supported. but the reason i have such fear tonight that if we don't all come together, we're going to have worse days ahead, is why he did what he did. he had them cleared out so he could do this. so he could walk to where the protesters were in front of st. john's episcopal church in lafayette park and lift a bible. i don't know why. he certainly wasn't taking any oath. he didn't open it. he didn't read from it. he didn't even go into the church. he really didn't say anything. i mean, if i were to pop the sound right now -- >> it will be greater than ever before. >> so, why didn't he go in?

maybe he stayed outside because what happens inside that church, especially, is much more and better identified with the people he had chased away from in front of it than what he is about. google the history of st. john's e ppiscopal church. it's been there since the early 1800s. i think it was president madison staked money for its founding. it has always been about addressing the needs of the local community. especially social justice. it supports activities to help the people who need it. it doesn't refer to those seeking justice as thugs. it's making masks right now for the pandemic. it doesn't pretend there is no pandemic problem. and it preaches inside that building, that church, that you must live what is in the good book. holding it in your hand, if you don't hold its message of love

and mercy in your heart, is an empty gesture by an empty suit. even the bishop of that church is appalled. here is reverend maryann buddy on cnn just moments ago. >> let me be clear. the president just used a bible and the sacred text of the judeo-christian tradition and one of the churches of my diocese without permission as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of jesus and everything that our churches stand for. to do so as you just said, he sanctioned the use of tear gas for police officers in riot gear to clear the church guard. i am outraged. >> just look at that image of him. standing in front of a church holding a bible. basically saying, hey, all you evangelicals, i'm your guy, law and order, it's all in the book.

they tell me. what this president wants this to become about at a time when leaders need to regain trust, right, that's what's missing right now. how do they gain trust? you speak truth and show steps that are being taken to get to a better place. talk's not enough. trump wants to make this a battle of might makes right. he asked governors to dominate protesters. he literally said, listen, this is a movement, and if you don't show force, it will grow. he's half right. demanding justice and the full freedoms of the liberty that is a god-given right in this country, that is a movement. and it is one that he should be leading. but he is wrong about force. america does not go for harsh strength. not for long. if you try to beat back people in all these cities, you're going to have them joined by

many, many more. even in a pandemic that is keeping a lot of people home for now. that's what happened just tonight. i find it to be the most frightening sequence of events since mr. floyd was murdered. the question now is, how will the nation react? we'll watch together. little bit of a different night tonight. more curfews going into effect nationwide. one in los angeles just began, as we speak. so has atlanta's. two hours from now, new york has a new curfew. 11:00 p.m. that goes into effect. we'll be working two shifts tonight. i'll do this show now then we'll be on from midnight to 2:00. new york has a bigger police presence. 8,000 officers are there. curfews you're going to see in spots all across the country. do they work? i don't know. it really depends on the time, place, and manner of their

enforcement. we'll watch. we have something bigger than just watching the events unfold. we have somebody who's going to be key to the future of this situation. the lead prosecutor on the floyd case. one man is in charge of all the cases to come and overseeing them. okay? it's not the happnnipin county prosecu prosecutors. we have him with us tonight. attorney general ellison is here to talk about what's going on and what keith ellison believes will happen. but let's state that we're going to look all over the country, but let's start with where this started. cnn's sara sidner is in minnesota. today marks seven days since his death. i believe you are situated near the scene of where this all unfolded. you were explaining to me last night this place is being treated solemnly in the

community. they don't bring the noise and the anger and hostility there. they keep it sacrosanct at least for now. what's it like at this time? >> reporter: absolutely a place of peace, a place of reflection, a place to remember, a place to honor. all of that for the floyd family and also for the neighborhood. this place hasn't been destroyed. yes, boards are up, but nothing has happened here to any of these buildings. what has happened are incredible scenes of solidarity. we watched as terrence floyd, one of the brothers of george floyd, showed up for the very first time, chris, today, to the scene where his brother died, was killed. he showed up and as soon as he got to the mural that shows george floyd, he broke down in the arms of friends that brought him here. he walked to the side of the

store, the cup foods store, where we saw officer derek chauvin's knee pressed down on floyd's neck for more than seven minutes and he kneeled down and he prayed, and when he did, the hundreds of people that were here kneeled down with him. they kneeled down with him and they prayed with him and there wasn't a bit of noise. it was pin-drop silence in these streets for five solid minutes as they prayed. and when they got back up, terrence floyd said, i need to talk to some of the protesters out there, do not do violence in our name, stop it, you can't use this family for that, you're destroying your own neighborhoods, your own places of business, the places that people go to eat, stop it, instead, do something else, vote and not just for a higher office, not just for political

high office like the presidency, vote for your local council folks, vote for your state folks, vote for your county folks. he was very clear that you cannot do violence in his name but that he understood, he understood people's rage. he understood it. he is a family member. he's like, but don't use us like that. and he said george floyd, himself, would never have wanted to see the destruction that has gone on. of course, he would never have wanted to be in the situation that he was in with those four officers and as we talked about last night, chris, this was over a $20 counterfeit bill. 20 bucks. >> the words of the president -- >> reporter: he lost his life over 20 bucks. >> did the words of the president echo to that community yet tonight? him not mentioning the issue that sparked all of this about the abuse of use of force by

officers, a protester needs to be dominated, that he'll send in the military. have those words echoed? >> reporter: it has not been missed. and the reaction here is not one of rage. it's of disgust. people are disgusted with the idea that the military would be turned upon citizens of this country inside this country. it's disgust. that's what people feel. but they have also in part ignored him because there is also more information that has come out while all of this was going on, just before the president spoke, about the autopsy both from the pathologist who the family hired to look into the death of george floyd and the hennepin county medical examiner's office. both of those pathologists said that a homicide had occurred. in other words, someone had killed him. but they disagreed on exactly

how he died and what caused his death. one saying it was cardiopulmonary attack and the other saying asphyxiation. and that was the family's pathologist who said he believes that this was death by asphyxiation. >> right. >> reporter: so two very different methods of dying there, but homicide, he was killed. both agreed that. >> right. and, look, i think the distinction between the two reports may make a difference in a prosecution. may not. depends on the charge. depends on the case. >> reporter: absolutely. >> depends on the other evidence. one thing is for sure, nobody there is going to accept any reckoning that what happened to george floyd with those officers had nothing to do with why he died. that is eerily reminiscent of what happened with eric garner. that it wasn't the choke that killed him, it was, you know, the state of his physical disrepair.

sara sidner, thank you. as you know, if there's something we need to see or hear, you get in my ear. i'll come right back to you. be safe and be your best. >> reporter: we'll be here. >> thank you. >> reporter: thank you. all right. one officer has been charged. a big part of the outrage on the streets is not just about the actions of what happened to the officers and george floyd but the inaction afterwards. why did it take so long for that first officer to be arrested? why aren't the other three in the same position? that is a big question. the charges against him, are they the best charges? do they fully capture what this was about? those are big questions. and we have a very special guest tonight to discuss what happens with those other three. what does this case look like to him. what is justice. what do the autopsies mean. the head prosecutor, the very center of it all, minnesota's

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all right. the latest news in terms of the prosecutions or potential prosecutions of all four officers involved in the death of george floyd is there are now two autopsies regarding what killed him. one conducted by an independent party. that one determined that floyd died of asphyxiation. in other words, from being -- having his throat crushed by the officer's knee. the other conducted by the hennepin county medical examiner and they say it was a result of being restrained. this as the country is dealing with the actions and inaction

both of which have been found intolerable. these cases all will run through the minnesota attorney general, keith ellison. he is a longtime government worker. he was a congressman. he is a social activist. now he is in the pole position of handling the administration of justice in this matter with national implications and he joins us now. mr. attorney general, it's good to see you. >> good to see you, chris, how are you? >> i'm doing better than i deserve. i know this is the kind of position that you take very seriously and that those who know you would say you prepared a lifetime for. let's start national then get to your responsibility locally. the president tonight, no mention of what the protests around this country are about. no mention of any problem with policing ever. no mention of any problems faced by minority communities in this

country. he said that those who are doing anything other than peaceful protesting must be dominated and that he will use the military and governors must crush this movement, otherwise it will grow. what does that mean to you as somebody who is in charge with keeping law and order, administration of justice, in the focus state in the country right now? >> you know, the attitude where you want to dominate someone, it's exactly what i believe is at the heart of so much of the problems between police and community. that's really what is driving this conversation. a spirit of wanting to dominate someone. it's not helpful. it has gotten us into the problem that we're in now. and it would be my hope that the president would just stop it and not really comment unless he can comment in a constructive way. >> what would be your advice,

mr. attorney general, if he were to reach out to your state depending on your reading of the insurrection act of 1807, used rarely, i don't have to tell you, was used after rodney king, though, with the riots in l.a. do you think your state would accept that help from the federal government, would they want the military presence? >> i will not offer a comment on that unless i talk to our governor who is, you know, doing i think an excellent job in trying to exercise restraint and restore public order. it's a very delicate balance, as you know. and it's not easy. he thinks it's easy because he's never actually had to do it and he's never taken responsibility for his consequences of his actions, but our governor is doing that. i'm working closely with him to try to do all we can to restore public order and make sure we preserve people's 1st amendment right to grieve and to raise their voices about what is clearly a historic and widespread problem which is

excessive force by police. >> do you believe that the people from the communities who are protesting are getting a little bit of a bad name for some of the violence and the looting and the destructiveness that is going on in some of these situations that is actually perpetrated or fomented by outside groups? >> well, i an assure you the overwhelming number of people absolutely are there to raise the noble cause of liberty and justice for all, respect by law enforcement for all, racial justice and equality. there are multiracial, multi ethnic group. now, i have seen evidence of people who don't seem to have any connection with the protests. they're not wearing t-shirts. not wearing flags. they don't have chants that they're using. and they're going out between 1:00 and 3:00 in the morning and committing acts of arson. and vandalism. now, that is happening -- you

know, some of the protesters have actually confronted them and photographed them doing it and it's available and i think -- so i think that these folks are doing this to tarnish the reputation and the image of the protests and i think that they want to create in the public mind the idea that this is all a bunch of bad folks, but it's not true. the people who are raising their voices are trying to make this a better country and i would just urge them to protect their protests. take pictures of people who are doing things that the are going to divert the protests from what's real and legitimate and true aim. >> the president is going out of his way to make a point that these are left-wing organizations. the point for him is clear, he says i don't see any right-wing organizations. he's basically ascribing ownership of fringe political movements to the democrats and republican party and saying in this case it's all your team,

mr. attorney general, these are democrat-affiliated groups doing all this destruction because you want to destroy america. >> there's no factual basis to that. that is a political comment. it's not a factual comment. certainly not based on any investigation i've seen. >> all right. now, to the investigations that you are looking at right now, big part of the frustration was the time between what was seen and evident as, you know, textbook probable cause in the videotape of the alleged murder and apparent murder of george floyd but no arrest, and as you know, the communities that you're responsible for are filled with young black men who've been arrested on probable cause when there were no charges anywhere near ready to be filed. not with these officers. that is now an outstanding question with the other three officers. do you expect hthem to be at least arrested on probable cause? >> well, let me tell you this. i got this case last night right about this time. i've spent the last 24 hours reviewing evidence in this

matter which i cannot ethically comment on as a prosecutor. and i can assure you we're taking a fresh look and we plan to hold everyone accountable who is legally culpable. and that is what we're going to do. i am committed to equal justice for all. no special treatment for any without fear or favor. that's what i have to do as a prosecutor. and so while i am not ready to announce anything on the show tonight, chris, i want to assure everybody that we are looking very carefully at holding everybody accountable who failed to do their duty and fell below the legal requirements of their position or did something affirmatively that would be in violation of the law. already these people have been fired. i know that that is not enough to restore faith, but what we're

doing is looking at the charges, looking at the behavior and when we are ready, that won't be long from now, we plan on taking the proper and deliberate action. >> the community and really, you know, not to make it too heavy for you, keith, but the country, is waiting to see what happens and more importantly how it is explained. minnesota attorney general keith ellis ellison, we'll be watching. you always have this show as a platform to make your case to the american people. >> thank you, chris. >> all right. god bless and good luck going forward. >> you, too, sir. >> all right. change, all right, that is supposed to be the point of protests. that we have been here too many times. but as i was just talking with the a.g., he told you he saw proof, and i've heard this now from leaders in every community, okay, the overwhelming is what you're seeing. people who have angry, taken to the streets, who are hurt and taken to the streets. they are not all agitators, but there are agitators among them. okay?

so, what do we do with that? the majority are voices that need to be heard. and, look, let's look at our country's own history. okay? if you don't get loud and you don't get in the face of government, things do not change in this country. so, what is the path forward? senator kamala harris is focused on exactly that. her take on where the president is taking us and where this country needs to go, next. let's be honest. quitting smoking is hard. like, quitting every monday hard.

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and it's sad because what's now going on across new york city, we're in union square. going to try to show you, we've been pushed back by police here. there's a store there, a smoke shop, looters have broken into the store. they threw a city bike through that window. they then removed stuff, items, from the window. police are actually up the block. this was all going on as police were maybe even a half a block away. they finally realized what was going on and they were able to chase the group away. but i want to show you something else, quickly, chris. there's another store here where they have been coming in and out of the store. it's this corner store here where the glass is all broken. it was actually boarded up. they got through the boards. they broke the glass here. and they've been in and out of the store. i was standing here and several of the looters were walking in and out taking items out.

there are no police officers here. it is 9:30. there's a curfew in an hour and a half. it's almost as if these looters, right, that's exactly what they are, are striking earlier because they know that there's a curfew coming. this is not the only location, chris, this is happening. we were on the upper east side on 5th avenue and there was another store that we witnessed some of the looters breaking the window, using a hammer in one case, using a brick in another case to break through the glass. and from what i understand, this is happening in other parts of the city, on the upper east side as well. high-end shops that are being targeted. so this situation here clearly, as you said, chris, is getting bad. >> is, to your knowledge, were people calling the police? were they made aware of the situations and deciding not to answer? there's some police right there. >> reporter: i don't -- yeah, there are -- police officers are just a block away, and we're

also in union square. i know that the police have been trying to chase some of the looters around because where we were earlier, we could see the police trying to chase them down, but in some cases as we talked about last night, they're on bikes so they're able to get away. they also were at another location we were at on 14th street where it was a nordstrom's. they also broke through the boarding there. i think we showed some video of that. day were able to get in there. this is going on now all across the city. you know, and it's just a situation that's just really sad when you think about there were peaceful protests today. and now this is what's happening here tonight, chris. >> right. i mean, look, again, everything has to be looked at through the lens of what the need is. in some cases is it just crime? shimoning thank you. stay safe with the team. come back when you see more. is it just crime, just opportunism? someti

sometimes, sometimes. are some people broke especially now with 40 million people out of the country, is this about need and desperation? sometimes. is this about agitators who come into these situations who i've dealt with on the street in different cities who are just up to no good? they serve no positive purpose. that's also true. so there's a lot going on. as we monitor the situation in cities across the country, let's get -- this is los angeles, by the way -- now under the harshest curfew that it's seen since 1992. by the way, that was in the wake of rodney king. by the way, that was the last time we've seen the insurrection act of 1807 exercised. and it was when the state asked for the federal help in policing the streets during those riots. let's bring in senator kamala harris from california, of course. former prosecutor, herself. dealt with cases involving law enforcement misconduct. senator, thank you for joining us on the phone tonight. i hope your family is well. let's start with your reaction to what the president said. no mention of abuse of force by

police. the issues that minority communities face that obviously are a big part of fomenting what's happening and reverberating around the country and then going and holding up the bible and saying that states like yours need to come in and dominate and stop this movement before it grows. >> chris, i think that donald trump has combined the worst of george wallace with richard nixon. you know, when he talks about end it now and then dominate the streets, you know, dominate, it literal literally -- one iteration of dominate is about supremacy and that's what donald trump is about. and let's be clear about it, he has spent full time from the time he ran for president throughout his term in office, full time trying to sow hate and division among the american people, and what he is right now doing in terms of invoking the american military, threatening the american people with the american military, the use of

the american military against its own people. he is not a commander in chief. he is a divider. he is clearly scared. and -- and he cannot meet this moment that he has partly created because of his inability to understand the pain and the suffering. right now, america is raw. her wounds are exposed. and instead of having a president who understands it, who empathizes, who lifts up the spirits and acknowledges the pain, we have someone who chooses to hold up the bible like a prop for his own political gain and for a photo op. and that's just the reality of where we are. look, in the history of america, we have to have leaders who acknowledge black people have been treated as less than human in the history of our country

and presently when you look at what happened to george floyd. and america has never fully addressed the historical and systemic racism that has existed. >> so, senator -- >> instead of having -- instead of having a president who does that, we have someone who fans the flames. and that's where we are right now. >> i get your -- i take your criticism of this president. the past president, obama, obviously spoke to these issues much differently than this president from personal experience and feeling and just rationale for society and he put together this commission on better law practices like nobody adopted them. last night former commissioner ramsey was on here. he was part of that commission and he said our report was basically thrown in the garbage. when young men and women come up to you or even middle-aged men and women come up to you and say, listen, harris, i like your spirit, i like the way you're doing, i like that they're looking at you for vp, you know nothing's going to change. obama couldn't change anything, clinton didn't change anything. this is never going to change.

this country does not love tus the way we love it. what do you say to give hope that there will be change? >> well, first of all, i believe to give hope, one must speak truth so there is certainly truth in saying that it is overly simplistic to say if you vote, this will be involved because black folks have been voting for generations when we were allowed to. so it is not that simplistic. to give hope, it has to be about acknowledging truth and then fighting for what we know we can achieve. understanding, for example, that this -- the policing issue is the tip of the iceberg. we need to deal with that and we need to deal with that by continuing what president obama and his administration started. they were doing pattern and practice investigations of discrimination by police departments in this country. donald trump came in with jeff sessions and undid those. barack obama and his administration did do the work of enforcing consent decrees on police departments that had been found to engage in misconduct.

donald trump came in and undid those. so, elections do matter and we can make progress. continuing on that progress, i'm going to tell you, part of what we need to have across this country, and i'm calling for this as part of the legislation i'm pushing, is we need to have a national standard on use of force by police officers. where instead of asking when there's a show of excessive force, was it reasonable, which is the current legal standard, we should be asking was it necessary? so that when prosecutors bring these cases against police officers, they have a burden that actually they can meet based on what is a fair standard. we need to be calling for independent investigations of police departments. i speak as a former prosecutor. it should not be the d.a. or the state's attorney's office who works with that police department every day who's doing those investigations. it should be an independent entity and that could be the attorney general of that state. it could be u.s. attorneys. but it needs to be independent. there are things that we need to

fight for, but we have to also hear the voices of pain, we need to acknowledge them. we need to respect them. and we need to also understand that this can not be an issue that's only black people and people of color fighting for. racism impacts every american. not just as a moral issue but as a practical issue. >> senator, i remember you telling me early on when you were making your run for the nomination that the answers to this don't lie in the minority community, they lie with the majority. the people in power. the people with the influence. that's what changes culture. the minorities don't have the power to change their own problems. that this has to be a we. it can never be a me. senator harris, good luck to you going forward. thank you very addressing these issues. >> you take care, chris. thank you. >> all right. we're going to take a break. when we come back, i'll show you what's happening around. curfews can work either way here on night seven. a week now since george floyd was allegedly murdered by police. we have another great mind to

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here's what we want everyone to do. count all the hugs you haven't given. all the hands you haven't held. all the dinners you didn't share with friends. the trips you haven't taken. keep track of them. each one means one less person vulnerable, one less person exposed, and one step closer to a healthier community.

so for now, keep your distance. but don't lose count. we'll have some catching up to do. two quick things to get us into a discussion of how we get to a better place. one, look, you're looking at the scene right now. i have to tell you, it's not as bad as i've seen it in the last few days. it's scary. there's tear gas. they're pushing back crowds. it's still very early. things do get worse at night. no question. but i don't have horrible pictures to show you of a lot of bad scenes and i'll take anything as progress right now. less hurting is a positive. second thing, the politics of how this is being spun by the right. raw emotion is a natural result of injustice. we all feel it after george floyd's death, says congressman dan crenshaw, a young leader of the republican party. congressman of texas.

he is the american hero, the war hero. wears the eye patch. but we are still accountable for our actions, no amount of righteous anger can justify violent and destructive action. we must do better. leaders must end the riots now. you see, this is a perfect example of a very intelligent man saying something that doesn't make sense. you can't look past why this is happening and say this must stop. stop this right now, but i'm not going to say anything about why this is happening. i'll say raw emotion is a natural result of injustice. so if you know there were injustice, if you don't address the injustice, why would they go home? why is this wrong when you won't address the wrong that led to this? do you understand the logic of that? that's our problem with leadership right now. the president saying you have to dominate these people. dominate them. dominate them. this is a movement. you must crush it or it will grow. this is a movement for social

justice. let's bring in w. kamal bell, host of cnn's "united shades of america." you know, i noticed this again and again and you've spoken about it well but sometimes, you know, it takes pain to bring up the obvious. that, no, i'm not going to go home if you don't address why i am here. at least tell me you know why i'm here and you understand why i'm here. how do we get to a better place of communicating understanding of pain by leadership and anything that resembles trust of better days? >> i mean, first of all, thank you for having me on, chris. i think it takes a fundamental understanding that this problem is structural and institutional and this is the rule of the land. that this is not about one cop that killed one black man. we've seen these killings happen over and over again. we've seen police brutality on tv over and over again. you know, we can take you all

the way back to emmett till, before that, black people being killed and not getting justice, so the problem is not that one person and convicting those four cops, which i think they should all be convicted of that crime. it's about the institution that encourages and allows police officers to be that way and somehow makes other police officers not speak out enough against those people or root them out. >> so, you have people now, and, look, as you know well, these are very complicated situations. who was on that street for what reason, what they're doing, why they're doing it. but we know in the main that this time, why is it that i've had more of my african-american friends emotionally broken by this? crying about this. is it a combination effect of ahmaud arbery, pandemic, now this, and they're sitting there looking at him while they got their knee on his neck, people are begging him to stop. is it just too much all at once. >> you know, a lot of black

folks i talked to, i had this reaction, like in the middle of a pandemic, damn. we can't get a break from regular that is also targeting our community. i mean, think that's the thing that hurts us the most. because we know, chris, if we weren't talking about this, it would still be covid on the news 24 hours a day. we still haven't defeated that problem. we don't have a vaccine. we don't know when one is coming. that was 24-hour news until this hit. people sitting in their homes trying to figure out covid, what are my leaders saying, should i wear a mask, should i not wear a mask? in the middle of all the confusion mishandled by trump and his administration. we are now dealing with another dead black person in the street. multiple. it's ahmaud arbery. it is mcdade. it's -- it's george floyd. and we're like we can't get a break during a pandemic? again, that is already targeting us. if the united states had done

right by all of its people, including black people during the pandemic, i don't believe we have the same sorts of riots all over the world. >> i'll tell you something else. here's something we have to promise -- not you because you're always -- you're always trying to dot right thing. we have to talk about this when there is someone not dead in the street because the reason we're not talking about the effect on african-americans -- >> black people do that. >> is because there are no riots. i know you'll come on to talk about it. it's on me. it's on people who have the platform and the power to do it. these are choices i make and i don't make and i got to be smarter about it. kamau, thank you so much for being with me. the best to you and your family. >> thank you. >> it really is on all of us. we're not going to be led out of this. it's about the choices we make, it just is. this has got to be a wake-up call. something's got to wake us up. the nation's crying for change. we finally heard from the president today. i wish we hadn't. some say, no, no, no, he showed what he's about. you know what he's about. but right now he said everything we don't need to hear. and i'm telling you i know why he said it all.

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here's trump's take on what's happening. >> our nation has been gripped by professional anarchists, violent mobs, looters, criminals, antifa and others. >> no, he is gripped by that. this country is gripped by outrage over abuse of force. he never mentioned that. he didn't mention the murder. he didn't mention any injustice. he didn't mention the pain and he didn't mention the hurt and you know why.

that man is the only person elected to represent us all. and yet he looks out only for himself. always. in all ways. he is a manifestation of all the problems we're dealing with right now. he won't admit the truth. we won't acknowledge the pain that is on these streets. he ducks accountability for the lack of change and he blames the victim. dominate them. stop the movement. use the military. he's doing it with george floyd. for so many other young black men who have been in the same position. he's doing it with more than 100,000 preventible deaths, for the 40-plus million out of work. liberty and justice for all. where? look around this nation tonight. we search in city after city after city. we've seen things that we don't want to see but we're not dealing with why they're happening.

right? all the things that we make manifest in our pledge to the flag, liberty, justice for all. where? this is not a "me" thing, it must be a "we" thing. the majority must stand up for the rights of the minority. that's not just the american way, it's the only way, and that's why this president remains silent on the true story. when he takes to his rabid refuge of twitter, he says what demagogues in the past have said. he champions those who play to bigotry. he lumps the aggrieved in with outside agitators as thugs. just like demagogues, he wraps his actions in the might of the military, perverting the mission of our armed forces and, quite frankly, bsing you over his own power. he knows he can't use an ins insurrection act unless a governor request it is. he doesn't meet the standard. he orchestrated conflict for

maximum gain. that's why he's doing this. visibility. timing his speech until after police moved in on a peaceful protest he said he was allied with. then bathed himself in the illusion of holiness, holding up the good book. open it. read it. go inside that church. it's about social justice and catering to the community. don't ask why. why does he look to paint his opponents with the stink of anarchist and opportunists who taint what are overwhelmingly lawful protests. why would he play to that small slice? let's do it this way. good, you're right, the left should claim them. democrats, make your case. but the same goes for you, republicans and the right wing. you want to say those are theirs? the president went out of his way to say, i don't see any right-wing groups there. you want to defend them? then you own them. and it makes sense. not only do officials not agree with what you're saying about

these fringe groups being the dominant players, but you want to play teams? that's fine. because now things start to make sense. finally. that's why the president says they're good people on both sides on charlottesville and in michigan. the answer came today. in another one of the demagogues' repertoire, just propaganda. listen to this and then we'll go. >> i would also note the president's long history of condemning white supremacy and racism. >> he has a history of being attached to discrimination. housing. the central park five. birtherism. this is who he is. and this is not what we need right now. this is going to change because of people like you and me and the man coming up right now, d. lemon. we will not be led out of this by anybody else. >> are we actually surprised? you're not surprised, are you? >> yes,