tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 4, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
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good evening. the president is in georgia, tonight, ahead of tomorrow's senate runoffs there. he will be in the city of dalton, asking voters to take part in an election that he has spent most the last two months publicly challenging and now, we know, privately tampering with. he won't spend much time campaigning for the two candidates because that would get in the way of airing grievances and casting doubt on the vote. we are in a dark and dangerous place in this country right now. with the president of the united states, taped phone call over the weekend, potentially criminal, if not impeachable, effort to steal the election. republicans now covering for him on that, seeking to invalidate the votes of tens of millions of americans. and every single living, former
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defense secretary, including two trump appointees, have just issued a warning. reminding those in uniform and those in command, to quote, refrain from any political actions that undermine the results of the election. did you ever imagine seeing anything like that after an election that saw massive turnout, and was conducted in accordance with the law and with no evidence of widespread voter fraud? the fact they even find it necessary to issue such a warning sends a message, in itself. any, or all of which, is news enough, tonight. but we want to begin with that call, which we know about because donald j. trump's inability to restrain himself overshadows his talent for underi undermig undermining democracy. georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, was taping the call. but despite what he heard in saturday's hour-long conversation, despite the fresh hell the president has put him and his family through since the election, with his lies. secretary raffensperger was reportedly not going to release the recording, unless the
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president attacked state officials or misrepresented the call, first. and guess what happened? because, the president has the impulse control of a refrigerator magnet, he attacked raffensperger, and out came the tape. >> look, brad. i got to get -- i have to find 12,000 votes, and i have them, times a lot. and, therefore, i won the state. i only need 11,000 votes. fellas, i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. you know, we have that in spades, already. >> that is the great negotiator? the great dealmaker? that's the art of the deal? fellas. this is a scared bully, pushed into a corner of his own making, and desperately trying to get out. the president, like all abullie, also, tried threatening other georgia officials on the call. the state counted the vote three
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times, three times, found no irregularities or fraud of any consequence, whatsoever. >> and there is nothing wrong with saying that, you know -- that you've recalculated because the 2,236 in absentee ballots. i mean, they're all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms, law firms, et cetera. and even if you cut 'em in half, cut 'em in half, and cut 'em in half again, it's more votes than we need. >> just cut 'em in half and half and in half, again. one point, the president claims he won georgia by half a million votes. a bit later, he lowers it to mere hundreds of thousands. >> there is no way i lost georgia. there's no way. we won by hundreds of thousands of votes. i'm just going by small numbers. when you add them up, they're many times the 11,000. but -- but i won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes. >> he didn't.
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virtually, no claim he made on this call is true. about halfway through, brad raffensperger's legal adviser debunks a string of them. >> do you think it's possible they shredded ballots in fulton county? because that's what the rumor is. and also, that dominion took out machines. that dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their machinery. do you know anything about that? because that's illegal. >> this is ryan germany. no, dominion has not moved any machinery out of fulton county. >> but have they -- have they -- have they moved the inner parts of the machines, and replaced them with other parts? >> no. >> you sure, ryan? >> i'm sure. i'm sure, mr. president. >> what about -- what about the -- what about the ballots? the shredding of the ballots? have they been shredding ballots? >> the only investigation that we have into that, they have not
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been shredding any ballots. >> it's like speaking to a child. i mean, that -- that's how you speak to a child. no, they haven't done that. no, sir. no, they haven't done that, either. and so, goes throughout the call. germany and raffensperger calling out the president, point by point, again and again. politely, but telling the truth. something the man overseeing georgia's voting systems, also, did today. >> again, this is all easily, provably false. yet, the president persists. and -- and by doing so, undermines georgians' faith in the election system, especially republican georgians, in this case, which is important because we have a big election coming up tomorrow and everybody deserves to have their vote counted, if they want it to be, republican and democrat alike. >> which gets us back to tonight, and it's supposed to be why the president is in that state right now. you see the rally there. looks like donnie jr. is there talking. getting 'em riled up.
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a person, familiar with the matter, says after saturday's call, the president floated the idea of pulling out of appearing in georgia tonight. i'm sure, really a tough persuade. like, he really needed a big push to air his grievances? he would never miss an opportunity to air his imaginary grievances, which you have to assume will continue the assault on the election system there. the president's been so amped on this georgia scam that he is running that two sources tell cnn the white house made 18 attempted calls to secretary raffensperger, between the election and saturday. 18 times, they tried to reach him. finally, resulting in that call. what's more, members of the president's legal team were with him as well on the call. so was chief of staff mark meadows. a small number of republican law makes, most notably, mitt romney and adam kinzi nger. most, haven't.
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they're scared. including david perdue, who is angry about potential engaged in election tampering. >> i guess, i was raised differently. my mom and dad were school teachers but to have a statewide elected official, regardless of party, to tape without disclosing a private conversation with the president of the united states and then leaking it to the press is disgusting. >> disgusting. apparent l apparently, the call, itself. you know, guess, his mom and dad didn't mind lies and attempts to subvert and undermine democracy. does bring back memories of the last time the president was recorded leaning on someone for help winning the election. the phone call to ukraine's president, he got impeached for. the one, that this republican senator who voted to acquit said he learned so much from. >> i believe that the president has learned from this case. >> what do you believe the president has learned? >> the president has been impeached.
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that's a pretty big lesson. i believe that he will be much more cautious, in the future. >> again, it's like everybody is speaking about a child. oh, no, he learned the lesson. oh, he'll be much more cautious, in the future. yeah. he wasn't. and faced with president's encouragement, a dozen of her senate colleagues and 140 of her house counterparts, they're now committed to challenging the electoral-vote count on wednesday. there is no evidence to back them up, of course. other than, bootstrap claims that something must be wrong because people are talking about it. people believe something is wrong. people are talking about it and some genuinely believe something is wrong because so many lawmakers who ought to know better are egging them on, and the president is leading the way. here is ohio governor mike dewine trying to make a call to overturn an election already certified by all 50 states, into something reasonable and wholesome and normal sounding.
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>> it's a lot of people out there, who are questioning this election. people need to have confidence in -- in the system. and if you put together a bipartisan commission, that, i think, for the long run, is something that really, really should take place. >> why don't we just put aside the constitution for just a little bit, just a reasonable length of time, until people feel better? and then, we'll -- we'll bring the constitution back. let's put together a bipartisan commission. how about just growing a spine? or growing a couple of vertebrae, even. the cowardice we are witnessing right now is extraordinary. and so is the hypocrisy. listen to senator josh hawley, a year ago, the guy who is now leading the senate insurrection. listen to him a year ago. >> the consequences to the republic of overturning a democratic election, because you don't like the result and because you believe that that election was, somehow, corrupted. when, in fact, the evidence shows that it was not.
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i'm talki talking about how elections can't be trusted, that's an interesting approach. i think it's crazy, frankly. >> now, of course, he is all in on crazy, frankly. but he doesn't want to be held accountable for it. neither, he, nor any of the other senate insurrectionists will come on the program. joining us now, one senator who has spoken out against this sort of thing. democrat chris murphy of connecticut. senator murphy, you spoke on the senate floor warning what republicans were engaged in trying to overturn the election. i want to play part of what you said then. >> right now, the most serious attempt to overthrow our democracy, in the history of this country, is underway. those who are pushing to make donald trump president for a second term, no matter the outcome of the election, are engaged in a treachery against
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their nation. >> if you look at where we are now, it's only gotten worse, isn't it? >> yeah, i mean, that seems like a lifetime ago, when i gave that speech, december 11th. at that point, we were just talking about a handful of lawsuits that were being brought to overturn the election. now, we are talking about a full-fledged effort to end democracy, as we know it. an effort, that has the support of the majority of republicans in the united senate and house, combined. now, they are not going to be successful. it's worth repeating that, over and over again. they are not going to win the vote, on wednesday. joe biden is going to be president of the united states. but the damage they are doing to our democracy is permanent because they have instilled this belief, in a huge portion of the electorate, mostly republicans and supporters of the president, that if a democrat wins an election, then it's illegitimate, by definition. that, if a democrat wins, it just must be because of cheating, even if we can find no evidence of cheating.
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well, that's not going to work, this time around. but, it will work, i'm telling you, two years from now or four years from now. there will be some democrat who wins in a red state, and it will be overturned because of a belief, in that state, that donald trump is right. when democrats win, they cheat. and that is the end of american democracy, as we know it. and so, you know, these republicans in the senate may think that they are -- can get away with this, that it's all political theater, that it's just going to boost their popularity amongst trump's base, no damage to the nation in the long run, they're wrong. they are not going to win, this time around. but ultimately, this could be the undoing of american democracy. i just think it's that serious, and i have thought that for a while. >> you know, and what they are depending on is that there are enough responsible members of congress and senators, who will not vote that way, along with them. so, it gives them cover. they -- they are calling for something, which threatens the
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entire -- our system of government. and it's completely irresponsible and reprehensible. and they -- i mean, they know it's not the case. but they want -- they want to keep trump's base. they want to keep trump happy, and -- and keep him tweeting favorably about them for any potential, future run they have, two years, four years from now. but they know they can do it because it won't actually happen. but that makes it -- i mean, it's -- it is just -- it's reprehensible. >> well, so i think that describes a handful of the individuals we're talking about. i think a handful of these senators do know that donald trump lost the election, and they're doing this to score cheap, political points. but i think it's important to recognize that there's a whole bunch of other republicans in congress, who actually do believe that their loyalty to the president outstrips their loyalty to the country. there are a whole bunch of republicans, more so in the house than in the senate, who are willing to throw out
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democracy in order to install the president, again, because they believe that they need to put party and allegiance to trump ahead of their allegiance to the country. they have kind of grown tired of democracy. there are a lot of republicans, who aren't really interested in democracy if it doesn't result in their candidate winning. and i think you got to understand that there are two sets of republicans. some, that are doing this for crass, political reasons. but there are some republicans that actually have given up on democracy and that is really chilling. >> people hear you say this is a threat to democracy, itself. i mean, that just hiyperbole? if you really believe that, how -- how is this a fundamental threat to democracy? >> so, let's -- let's play this out, for a second. donald trump is not going to be successful because, in georgia, we have a secretary of state who is going to do the right thing. but why would any, you know,
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down-the-middle, regular republican put themselves through what the georgia secretary of state is going through right now? in the future, it may be that only blind partisans, that only qanon believers, run for these election positions in places like georgia. and if that's who is running our elections, and that person gets a phone call from an anti-democrat, like donald trump, then they will overturn a legitimate result. then, it will result in the people's vote being thrown out. and so, that's one of the ways that this, ultimately, leads to democracy ending, is that you get people installed in these election positions who aren't like the georgia secretary of state, who are willing to do what the president's asking. and that could happen, as soon as 2022 or 2024. it's not like it's 10 years, 20 years, down the line. >> yeah, senator chris murphy, appreciate it. thank you. > later, best-selling author, tom
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with a water-based formula and no dyes. for freshness you'll enjoy. picture there from dalton, georgia, with the president expected to arrive any minute to help get the two senate republican candidates over the finish line, tomorrow. that's supposedly what he is there for. may not bother to talk about them much because he is also expected to continue his baseless rant about the election he lost.
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a rant that is -- republicans who are either too coward to speak out against it or too cynical. minority leader kevin mccarthy dodged cnn's manu raju about the question, today. here is what he said in the confines of fox news. >> how do you interpret what you heard and what you read about what the president and the georgia secretary of state were talking about? >> well, i read about the president's always been concerned about the integrity of the election. >> yeah. president's always been concerned about the integrity of the election. cnn chief political correspondent dana bash is not afraid of answering questions. she joins us. along with david axelrod. dana, how can kevin mccarthy say that with a straight face? i mean, i know how he can but it's just amazing that he can. the idea president trump is concerned about the integrity of any kind, let alone election integrity, is absurd. >> it is absurd, but it's true. what he did was a classic punt.
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he -- he said the obvious. he said the president is concerned about the election integrity. you know, never mind, the part that he didn't answer because he wasn't pressed on it, and really wasn't asked this question. which is, the president doesn't want undermining the election integrity. that's what is going on here, and that is what is so reprehensible. and why you are seeing such a remarkable split, within the republican party. i mean, the fact that the -- this new year is starting, this new congress is starting. we're almost going to have a new president. and exactly what mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader, was trying to avoid for all of these years during the trump era, is bursting out, right now, at the end. which is, almost a civil war, between those who are pledging fealty to this president, over democracy. and those, who really are, even
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some from, you know, the ruby-red south, like tom cotton, for example, saying, no, this is not right. i am going to stick with the constitution, and not with what the president is trying to say. >> yeah. i mean, david, i mean, that, you know, dana mentioned the civil war within the republican party. i mean, there's been a lot of talk about the potential of a civil war in the united states, writ large. and when you -- which i sort of, you know, obviously, paid attention to. but, when you actually have lawmakers, when you have people in -- in both houses of congress willing to go along with these lies. objecting to the electoral count. i mean, and invalid -- wanting to invalidate the votes of tens of millions of people, that were fairly cast. this is really dangerous. >> yeah, it is dangerous. first of all, you asked dana how kevin mccarthy could say what he said with a straight face. i think the answer, anderson, is practice, practice, practice. okay. they have been doing it for four years. this president is fundamentally
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antithetical to democratic institutions, norms, rules, laws. he doesn't believe in them. he believes you do what is in your self-interest. and anybody who does otherwise is a sucker. and we saw it again, in that call this weekend. he basically was telling the secretary of state that you are a republican, and your job is to find these votes and turn this election around. so, it wasn't about integrity. it was about, as dana said, undermining the integrity of the election. but, yes, my big concern about donald trump, from the beginning, has been that every time you shred a democratic norm, it's very hard to reassemble. you establish new parameters. and as senator murphy was saying, we'll see examples of this again, in the future, because it is being normalized by these legislators. that's very, very dangerous for a democracy. and that's really donald trump's legacy. >> dana, i mean, senator murphy was just on the program
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suggesting some republicans have just given up on democracy. for a party which claims to love the constitution and embrace the constitution, it seems -- it's just stunning, to me, the volume of republican congressmen and women and senators, who are willing to just, like, push it aside. you know? call for this, you know, bipartisan commission in ten days, and then every state can sort of decide whether or not to -- to, you know, accept the election results, which have already been accepted. >> which -- talking about a civil war, the only time that's happened is -- was post-civil war, during reconstruction, and it was a complete mess. when i say that, i mean that -- that congress stepping in and creating a commission. and so, look. i mean, that's not serious. that is a way for these republicans, mostly in the senate but some in the house, to show that they are supportive of what their constituents who, of
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course, are donald trump's constituents, have come to believe because this is what they are being told by the president. by the media they listen to. by the world that they live in. and these are very well-educated, smart, harvard, you know, legally-trained senators who know better. and that makes it even more stark. the reason that they're doing this, which is it's for politics. they're being politically craven, period. >> yeah. dana bash, david axelrod. thank you. coming up next, i will talk with author tom friedman about republicans lining up for what looks like to many a coup attempt to overturn a democratic election. moms want healthy... and affordable. land o' frost premium!!! no added hormones either. it's the only protein i've really melted with. land o' frost premium. fresh look. same great taste.
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congress finally comes together the day after tomorrow to ceremonially ratify the results of the election, the once obscure process will be thrown into disarray by republicans. joining me now, "new york times" op-ed columnist, tom friedman. author of "the olive tree," among many other best-sellers. so, tom, you've long expressed concern about the election, about its aftermath. did you ever think things would get to this level? the president, trying to get the secretary of state of a state to find votes that don't exist, and so many congress members and senators, going along with him. >> you know, anderson, first of all, great to be with you, and happy new year.
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i -- because i'm a tuesday-night-for-wednesday columnist, four years ago, i wrote the column of morning after trump won. and i included, in that column, a quote from a friend of mine, leslie, an immigrant to the united states from zimbabwe. and leslie said, you americans, you -- you kick around your country like it's a football but it's not a football. it's an egg. be careful. you can drop it and you can break it. i began it with that quote. i can't remember, now. i never dreamt, though, i never dreamt, that four years later, anderson, that we would actually drop it, by our own volition. i thought it might be out of division. but that one faction of one party would be willing to throw that fabrigue egg on the ground,
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wednesday is going to be an historic day in american history. it will be the first time in our history we see an attempt at cue de ta in america. >> what makes it so troubling, and you alluded to this, is the cynicism of these coup plotters. because they know they are going to actually be saved by responsible democrats and by principled republicans. so, what they are doing is to curry favor to get one last lick in on donald trump's boots. in hopes of winning his supporters, should he not run in 2024. they are going to undermine the integrity of our last election, and introduce doubt, forevermore in the integrity of our elections. the cynicism of it is -- is -- is just breathtaking. it just so recalls the biblical
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injunction for what does it profit the man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul? what does it profit, if these people, if they gain donald trump's endorsement but lose their country and its constitution? it is disgusting. and i hope -- i have two hopes, anderson, if i could say. one is that principled republicans will finally understand that the morning after this, they can't be in the same party with these people. you cannot accuse someone in your party of putting donald trump before the constitution, and the next day, be in a party with these people. so, i hope they will break off. the principled republicans, and start their own party. the lincoln party. the liberty party. whatever they want to call it. because imagine, anderson, if just five of them split off, center-right republicans. it would completely crush the others. they would make -- they would then be irrelevant, and they would become the swing vote in the senate, between biden and -- and any majority. no matter what happens in
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georgia, they would have enormous power. and the second thing i hope, is that cnn and the "new york times" and all of us will combat this big lie with a big truth. and the big truth is to play by donald trump's rules. repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse. every time one of these people wants to come on cnn or "the new york times," we will identify them as ted cruz, coup plotter. josh hawley, coup plotter. if you see them on the street, if you see them hailing a cab, if you see them in a restaurant, if you see them on your college campus, politely, respectfully, come up to them and say you are the guy who put donald trump in front of the constitution. shame on you. because only shame, only if everyone sees that, when you do that, you are shamed forever. that your name, your -- your -- your -- your -- your name, forever, will be associated with
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coup plotter. that's the only hope, i think, for next time because someone, otherwise, will try this, again. >> i mean, some of these -- these senators, these congress people, they know better. they know what the truth is s. and they want trump support or his base's support. they're -- but it's a losing game. i mean, trump will turn on them, six months from now, if they say something he doesn't like. you are basically selling yourself into indentured servitude. i mean, i don't understand what they are actually thinking. yes, they have to hang out with -- you know, they have created this alternate reality. and now, they actually have to live in it because their supporters are now, actually, believing this stuff. so, i guess, they're just more afraid of their supporters, than they're afraid of subverting democracy. >> well, a couple things come to mind, anderson. one is it is amazing to me, and you have expressed this astonishment. that people are ready to abase themselves, to sell out their
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country, to hold onto a job that pays $174,000 a year and free parking at reagan national airport. please, god, i hope the russians, the chinese, and iranians, are not watching at how cheaply these people will sell out their country. the second thing i would say is, do you think donald trump is going to endorse josh hawley, over donald trump jr.? over ivanka trump? do you think he's going to pass it onto any of these crackpots? ted cruz? josh hawley? there's not a chance of that. so -- so i don't -- so they are -- they are sacrificing the country, their reputations, i think, in utterly vain hope. and i just don't understand it. >> i mean, donald trump. the thing that i find the most realistic thing is he is sitting around, laughing about ted cruz. i mean, if i'm donald trump, i'm thinking i insulted the guy's wife, and he is still licking my boots. i mean, it's incredible.
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>> yeah. i -- i -- i guess that's just the astonishment that we all have. that -- that people are just ready to -- to give up their integrity, so easily. to a man, who wouldn't sacrifice a iota for them. he would not. he wouldn't sacrifice one for them. and that's what's so dispiriting, anderson, because how do we save this democracy? because our kids are watching, the world is watching. and you'd think, kevin mccarthy. i just want to ask him, do you live on some off-shore island? do you go home at night? do you -- what do your kids say? what do you say to your kids? honey, today, i put donald trump ahead of the constitution. >> tom friedman, i appreciate it, as always. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. ahead, an insider look at the senate races that will
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minutes, we are expecting president trump to speak at a rally in vorj geor rally georgia where he is supposed to motivate people to vote tomorrow for a pair of incumbent senate. regardless, the outcome of those races will determine which party controls the senatement short time ago, i spoke with one of the top-ranking democrats on capitol hill. congressman james clyburn, about democrats' chances, as well as those trump tapes. >> factor in this bizarre, 11th-hour pressure president trump attempted to put on georgia secretary of state. >> well, i am cautiously optimistic, that we are going to perform very well. in georgia. we have been leaning in, pretty heavily. calling upon the experiences we had on november 3rd, some of which was in south carolina.
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jaime harrison did a tremendous job going up to november 3rd. we went into election day ahead, i think significantly ahead. but we did not maintain potency, on the ground. and we are trying to make sure that we don't come up short, on tomorrow, in georgia. >> obviously, the incumbent senators, perdue and loeffler, have stayed in lockstep with the president. despite all of the -- the lies and debunked, conspiracy theories that he has been floating. how much of tomorrow's elections are, you think, a referendum on -- on his assault on democracy, which he's been waging since even before the election? >> you know, anderson, that's part of what gives me a little bit of hope that we will do better than expected in georgia. because georgians, or many of them, are embarrassed by what the president is doing. nobody wants to see this
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democracy frayed, the way this president seems to be doing. and i do believe that there is going a backlash to it because they are counting on people who show up tomorrow. and i think they're going to show up and show him. >> georgia, obviously, has a history of voter suppression. how concerned, i'm wondering, democrats should -- should democrats be about that? and frankly, do you think republicans should be concerned that president trump is going to suppress their turnout with all of his lies about rigged elections? >> well, both of us are going to have a heavy dose of concern about suppression. and i do not believe that the -- georgia's past is going to play that big a role, tomorrow. i sincerely believe that a lot of georgians have been freed by this effort and a lot of the
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pressures that have been put on the process are not going to be there. and so, i think people are going to be free feeling as they go to the polls tomorrow. and i think all the votes are going to be counted. and i think they are going to be -- we'll come out on top. >> "new york times" is reporting more than 75,000 new voters registered ahead of tomorrow's election. does that benefit democrats? i mean, do -- do you believe the races will come down to turnout? >> i think so. there's no question. i think it's going to come down to turnout. and i do believe that -- that is youth voters, basically. because i think a significant number of those people are people who did not register to vote before november 3rd because they thought they were not eligible to vote before november 3rd. so, i think those people who turned 18, after november the 3rd, are going to tilt toward democrats. >> when you heard the president's call with georgia
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officials, i'm wondering what you thought? >> i was not surprised, but i'm very, very disappointed. that there is not more reaction by my republican colleagues. especially, those who, before that telephone call or before release of the tapes, had demonstrated some support for this president, even challenging some of the foolishness that he has put forth. but, that should be, really, of concern to every american. to have the president of these united states on the telephone trying to force a state to do what we have always taught against in this country. i have been on election-watch teams. i have gone to other countries,
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looking at the election process. in fact, i was involved with one headed up the delegation that threw out the election results, and ordered a new election. now, that is the kind of reputation we've had, as a nation. this man is doing everything he possibly can to sully the reputation of this country, and what a free republic ought to be. and that should be of concern to everybody, most especially elected officials. >> congressman clyburn, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much for having me. >> ahead, the crisis the president keeps ignoring. we'll discuss a new fda statement on a controversial idea to boost the slow vaccine rollout. also, a top-trump vaccine official, who weighed in on the rollout, and told cnn this morning that, quote, nothing has gone wrong. will be around sli. moms want healthy... and affordable. land o' frost premium!!!
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immunize americans are half doses. tonight the fda said, quote, at this time suggesting changes to the fda authorized dosing or schedules of these vaccines is premature and not rooted solidly in the available evidence. without appropriate data supporting such changes in vaccine administration, we run a significant risk of placing public health at risk. today the cdc said just over 15 million doses have been distributed. only 4.5 million administered to patients. that's only about 337,000 more than on saturday. for a virus that last week took a life every 33 seconds, today another new hospitalization high. more than 128,000. despite all that, the head of the effort told cnn this morning that, quote, nothing has gone wrong. he also tried to deny any earlier problems to have 20 million vaccinated by the end of last year. >> nothing has gone wrong. what we have committed to was to
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have 20 million doses of vaccine available for the american people to be immunized. >> no, mr. slaoui. it was that 20 million americans would be vaccinated. here is the soind of the promise that was made. listen to this. >> we will deliver 100 million doses of a safe vaccine before the end of the year and maybe quite a bit sooner than that. >> we expect to have approximately 40 million doses by the end of this year, so that would allow us to vaccinate 20 million people in december. >> overall in the month of december, between the two vaccines, the pfizer and the moderna vaccine, we expect to have immunized 20 million of our american people and keeping 20 million doses for their second immunization a few weeks later. >> oh, okay. i didn't even realize you were part of this. mr. slaoui, you said 20 million people. >> yes, obviously i did say that. >> yeah, he certainly did, as did others, including the president. i'm joined by rick bright.
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he's an immunologist, vaccine researcher who resigned from the trump administration last year as a whistle-blower. do you agree with the fda that changing the dosing or changing the scheduling in vaccines right now is premature? >> anderson, thanks for having me on. you know, it's really important to follow the science. scientists spend a lot of time and energy conducting really thorough clinical trials. that's where we should stay right now. that's where the science guides us. i fully support and agree with the assessment of the fda. i'm glad to see they're also following the science. >> what's going wrong in your opinion right now on getting the stuff out there and getting it into people's bodies? >> anderson, a lot is going wrong. obviously we're far behind all the projections we've heard all year long from operation warp speed. they haven't really delivered the number of doses. they haven't been produced and released. there's problems in the
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manufacturing to get those doses that we need to look at to get the supplies and raw materials to make more. there are problems after delivery into the states in the health care systems. the funding hasn't been provided to allow them to staff up and train people to administer the doses. there hasn't been a federal coordinated vaccination plan and program with federal government working hand in hand with the states and local jurisdictions. and also very importantly, the educational process to americans in all cultures, in all languages, in all pockets of our country haven't been initiated, so there's still this vaccine hesitancy, so people aren't lining up to take the vaccine as quickly as they need to. there's a lot that needs to be improved. >> president trump had made it sound like the military was going to be getting this out. it was going to be done instantly. it was going to be, you know, incredible. that's what they were putting -- i mean they were ignoring, you
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know, treatment. they were ignoring testing, down playing all of that, the idea being their emphasis was going to be on getting this vaccine out, and they failed with that. >> we've seen this all along for this last year, anderson. it's really disappointing. an attempt or an effort to overpromise and underdeliver on numerous occasions. this is the most complicated vaccination campaign that we've probably faced in our country in decades if not a whole century. so there's a lot of moving parts, and they all have to go well. they all have to be coordinated. i don't think the current administration has really put the effort into making sure they're coordinated and all the resources are there to get the job done. that's why we're seeing the calamity and chaos and challenge that we're seeing today. >> once the biden administration coming in, what can be done differently? >> we can do a lot differently. it starts at the top of course. president-elect biden has made this a whole of government.
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we're all in this together, shared responsibility effort. we are working closely with the states and communicating with them now and all the various stakeholders to understand where we need to fill those gaps. he's made it very clear he's going to use every tool and every authority available to him to ramp up production of supplies, to ramp up production of vaccine. we're going to push the money out to the states and support them. it's not a handoff. the federal government did our part, now you do yours, good luck. this is going to be a coordinated hand in hand effort all the way through to make sure we're getting those vaccines into the arms of people in every pocket, in the rural communities, in the hard-to-reach areas, in the latinx and black populations, in tribal nations. it's a completely different approach. i'm proud to see the work going into it, and i'm proud to see the leadership we have. >> rick bright, i appreciate your time as always. thank you very much. >> thanks, anderson. breaking news coming up. police arrest the leader of the right wing group proud boys as
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