and anger that came in the weak of january 6th. it is only grown over the last couple of days. democrats are unified by moving forward on impeaching the president. >> it is more terrifying the more videos that are coming out. it is getting worse than rather calming down. phil, republicans have been speaking out. some of them have said they believe that the president should be removed from office, should resign, some machination of those things. but what is the level of support for impeachment that you're hearing about from republicans? >> reporter: so it exists but it is low. if you want to compare it to the 2019 impeachment where no republicans voted for it, it is different in that regard. right now people say half a dozen republicans if the house, i've heard from several in the senate say they are open to the idea depending on the language. we'll keep an eye on things. keep in mind than 140 of them still voted to object after what occurred on wednesday. so they're not moving any time

soon. however, there are republicans who are interested in it and i think democrats right now are calling, trying to get more on board as this moves toward a vote particularly on wednesday. >> phil, i don't know if you have a monitor with you in front of you, but just let's talk for a second just what we are about to see. the kaepernicks have finally turn -- the cameras have turned on in the house and there is residue on the floor probably from the attack from wednesday, just to put some real perspective on this. what we're going to be see is right now they're going to pe coming in and gaveling it and saying the pledge and saying the prayer and that is how quickly this is going to play out, correct? >> yeah. that is exactly. you'll watch it. and this is fast. if you think there is some elongated speech or action on the floor, that is not what today. today is a pro-forma session, and today is a day for those to introduce the resolution but the thing you'll see is democrats atent to get unanimous consent which means all members, all 433

current members of the u.s. house would have to agree for this 25th amendment bill to pass. we don't know who the republican side is going to object. we are told it is a center somebody will object and then trigger. they will send it through the rules committee and it will come up for a house vote tomorrow and that is interesting to watch not because it is the teeth toin voeblg the 25th amendment but in terms of republicans who have raised concerns and who are very uneasy or unsettled about what they've seen from the president over the last four or five days. they'll have to vote on the measure, the real ball game, the thing with teeth and action is impeachment. we know that resolution is being introduced as we speak and we know that that resolution is going to pass whenever it gets a vote. i will note nancy pelosi was clear in a letter to colleagues

that she sent last night, they are waiting for an answer from vice president pence on if he's willing to consider the 25th amendment and they're also pressing republicans to essentially do what happened in richard nixon with barry goldwater and other conservative senators going physically to the white house and saying this is, it is time to go. we not get an any sense that is going to happen. more importantly we have not gotten any sense that the president would listen to anybody. in terms of allies on capitol hill, he's down to tommy tuberville, maybe. i don't know who is talking to him besides tommy tuberville and kevin mccarthy who is still the republican leader. don't know if they are still talking. they had a blow up a couple of days ago. so that does not seem like a likely scene and that is why the house is pushing into that position. and as we wait for this to kick into gear in the next minute or two, democrats right now are very much weighing what happens next. right. what happens next. they know the votes are there

for impeachment, and then what? because as we all know the second the senate gets the article of impeachment, it is sent over from the house by the next day at noon that senate trial is supposed to start. the u.s. senate is currently out of session until january 19th. the only way it comes back into session is with all 100 senators have to agree. it is very clear republicans are not going to agree to that. so if you put the time line together, if the articles of impeachment were to be sent over as soon as the united states senate came back into session, the trial would start on january 20th. that is inauguration day. and so how this all works out, the dynamics of all of this right now still very much up in the air. we're in unprecedented waters right now. this is not something democrats thought they would be pursuing. this is something never pursued before. and right now as the speaker said last night in our letter to her colleagues, a lot of consultations with constitutional lawyers to figure out the best path forward that

doesn't hinder incoming president biden. >> things are opening up on the hill and phil is standing by and it looks like debbie dingell from michigan is the presiding officer over this historic moment that we're watching. let's get over to the white house really quick. let's get over to john harwood standing by at the white house. it looks like they're doing the prayer to open things up. talk to me about the 25th amendment. is it a viable option right now. what are you hearing from the white house? >> reporter: not as a viable option for being invoked for the same reason that phil mattingly said, that only a tiny number of house republicans are willing to support impeachment. the same applies to the president trump's cabinet declaring him unable to perform his duties. all the more so because two cabinet members who were disturbed by the president's conduct have already announced their resignations. i think what this represents and mike pence's strategic silence represents an attempt to keep pressure on president trump to

deter future bad acts in the last week and a half of his presidency. he took actions that endangered the united states last week. endangered mike pence specifically, his vice president and mike pence is lending through as i said through strategic silence the effort to keep the pressure on the president not to do anything approaching that again. >> and john, we talked about this this weekend, it is stunning, let' check if we have any conversation today. the fact that the president and the vice president of the united states caught in the middle of the mayhem on wednesday, that they have not spoken since. >> reporter: look, the president of the united states is not interesting in doing this job any more. he's obsessed with his defeat and the psychological injury he suffered and part of his psychological affliction is that he does not care about any person other than himself. so he was enraged that mike

pence did not take some action to overturn the election. mike pence could not do that. he turned on him before pence took that action and turned on him afterwards and the ideas that people were shouting hang mike pence is something that doesn't move president trump. that is the nature of his psychology. and it is one of the things that must have hit mike pence over the head like a two by four in assessing this president as he gets to the close of this four years of serving as donald trump's vice president. >> that is right. john, thank you very much. john harwood is standing by at the white house. maybe there won't be any reaction from the white house but that silence will be a message in and of itself. control room, keep me honest on what we're hearing from the floor as things are moving along. but as we are waiting to see this happen, and it will be quick so i want to make sure we catch it, let me bring in dana bash, abby phillip and the former ambassador and special

council norma mieasson. talk about what this moment means? >> it is huge. and it is going to be even bigger when we see the inevitable, which is that the white house is very unlikely to respond and when i say the white house, i should say the administration, mike pence and other members of the trump cabinet respond to the call that we're going to see for the 25th amendment to remove president trump from his office or at least from his duties so the inevitable is going to happen and that is a second impeachment vote. and it will be the first time in history we've seen this. and i want to echo about what phil mattingly said about people becoming more and more angry. i've talked to member after member, that the more they learn, the more they see of the videos, of the intent and what is clear is the capability that they had to do real harm to them, it is becoming more clear

to them, more scary to them in the days following what they actually experienced. so, that is a real dynamic and feeling. the anxiety level is so high right now in the country but especially on that floor that we're looking at right now because of what we know that happened there less than a week ago. >> and abby, what happens here is going to be quick, yet it is historic and set in motion steps that will all -- that could be very consequential, regardless of if there is another moment of history that we're watching with president trump. what is this week going to look like? >> you know, it is not going to look like anything we've seen before in this country. and rightfully so. we've never had a situation in which a president is accused of inciting violence where article of impeachment are likely to be

introduced against him this week. this is one of the moments where just a week before another president is about to be inaugurated, the current president is facing the second impeachment of his career. and i think that one of the things that you're seeing, the speed with which democrats are moving, they've made it clear, members -- >> let me jump in. steny hoyer on the floor. >> -- be discharged from h rez 21 and ask for immediate consideration in the house. >> the clerk will report the title of the resolution. >> house resolution 21. resolution calling on vice president michael r. pence to con veeb and mobilize the principal officers of the executive departments of the cabinet to activate section four of the 25th amendment to declare donald trump from executing the duties of powers. >> for what purposes does the

gentleman from west virginia arrive. >> i object. >> objection is heard. pursuant to section 5-a1 b, the house stands adjourned to 9:00 a.m. tomorrow. >> we saw it play out. that is exactly as phil mattingly and as dana and abby were discussing. what we saw was kicking into motion the steps forward now. the house will convene tomorrow to have a full house floor vote on this resolution imploring vice president mike pence to invoke the 25th amendment. and ambassador, let me bring you on in that. your reaction to what ma means, the feasibility of the 25th amendment. >> it applies whether you have a president who is incapacitated. the vice president plus eight members of the cabinet could trigger the operation of the 25th amendment. and that would temporarily

suspend the president, put mike pence in the oval office, pending further proceedings in congress. it is extremely unlikely that mike pence and eight members of the cabinet are going to do that. but this is necessary anyhow because we have a president who is manifestly incamppacitated. we could see his mental disability on full floor view for the world. and it has gravely endangered the lives of the people in that building. five lives lost as a result, including one of the u.s. capitol police. and if this doesn't work, as speaker pelosi has made clear, she will then move the congress and the house will then move to considerations of an article of

impeachment. and, kate, the point above all is that it is a moral duty under the constitution to do this. if a president inciting an insurrection against his government, both congress and his vice president who was in the building, the whole chain of succession, the vice president, the speaker of the house, the president of the senate pro tem was in that danger. if that is not a high crime and misdemeanor, nothing is. the house has a moral duty to do just what it is doing and mitch mcconnell should call the senate back for immediate consideration. this is on mcconnell. if our country were attacked from without, there is no question he would have those senators back immediately. he could do the same thing this week and he should. >> that happened on september 12th. i talked to a former senate parliament arian and he laid that out this weekend. where there is a will, there is

a way. but dana, the republicans as expected rejected and now it goes to the full vote tomorrow. the republican reaction to this has been mixed. you have republicans who have spoken out saying that they want to see the president resign, and see the president removed. but they also then have the president's former chief of staff mick mulvaney, you have roy blunt saying things that i honestly, i don't understand. mick mulvaney saying this weekend that people took him literally. i never thought i would see that. and roy blunt also saying why he doesn't support impeachment is that the president touched a hot stove is how he put it. on wednesday, he said he's unlikely to touch it again. i heard that and thought, really? are you hearing that same naive response out of the republicans? >> not as much in private. and you're probably have the same experience. but in public, it really is unbelievable. i mean how many hot stoves does have the president to v to touch to be locked out of the kitchen.

enough already. and this wasn't just touching a hot stove. this is lighting a match and lighting the house on fire. i mean, that is what the president did. period. and now that we are learning so much more about the plans in place by these rioters, by these people who considered themselves revolutionaries, they considered themselves that because they were being egged on by the president of the united states. we saw all of that in plain sight. and for people not to understand that his words have consequences, it just doesn't -- it makes no sense. i mean, unfortunately the sad thing is that it is almost surprising that it took this long for people to act on what the president was saying. all of these years, it really is surprising. and the fact that it happened in the united states capitol and so

many members of congress are telling me that they feel really sure that if the capitol police hadn't at least put the people in safety and sort of abandon the building to take care of people, that more members of congress -- not more, members of congress and more people would have been killed at the hands of these people who thought they were doing president trump's bidding. >> and kate, could i just say one of the things that is pretty clear from how republicans are responding to this is that they haven't learned the lesson of all of this. which is that you cannot -- you cannot try to contain this sort of ideology that led to violence on capitol hill. you can't just try to appease people who do things like that. one thing that you hear them saying all of the time is that if we impeach the president, if we do something to kind of provoke him, that it will only strengthen his support among his

supporters. that is the argument that they've been using all along and that is what it has led to. and they're not willing, still, so many republicans because of fear of emboldening the president's bases, they're not willing to take a hard stance for what dana just described, which if this is not something out of bounds, what on earth is and they are still afraid of the president's base. the republican party has a problem in which they have a limb that is rotting on their body and they refuse to cut that limb off and cauterize the wound and that is where we are today. >> and i need to say, when i said naive, i think i'm wrong. it is not naive. it is not naive the position, it is much, much worse than that because they know better. thank you all so very much. i appreciate it. ambassador, thank you so much. so while that is happening on capitol hill and the picture, if you look at capitol today is a picture of calm.

the threat to democracy has not passed as we've been discussing. it isn't over. the line from some republicans that fomented this hate and incited this violence is not over. it appears they haven't learned a lesson or have been scared straight by the terror on wednesday. just two terrifying examples that deserve calling out happened, these happened after wednesday's attack. including newly elected alabama congressman barry moore posted this to his twitter account on friday. wow, we have more arrested for stealing a podium than a election on november 3rd. that is from a sitting member of congress. and you didn't stop there. he also posted this. i understand there was a black officer that shot the white female veteran. you know that doesn't fit the narrative. a veteran capitol hill journalist jamie dupree, he spotted this and he called it out and thank you to him for that. twitter suspected congressman

moore's account and he deleted the account altogether because he regretted what he wrote. no. it does not appear so. when we asked for comment, a spokesperson said this, twitter suspended the account and then he decided to deactivate his account because of the censorship of conservative voices he saw happening. let that set in. also on friday, nevada nye county republican party posted online repeating the lies about the election. this is friday, two days after the attack. in the letter atributed to zimmerman. it said trump will be president for another four years, biden will not be president. it is 1776 all over again. the letter also accused mike pence of treason for taking part in announcing the electal college votes and another statement defended their position. saying this -- nycounty is always been trump country so we don't see it as out of the ordinary to believe our

president when he said le never give up. also saying there was nothing in the letter that included, implied or supported anything sedition. the lying continues. they know better and if they don't they shouldn't have their jobs. they are lying even after seeing realtime proof that words matter. and matter more than ever in this tenuous moment for this country. we are still waiting for a further response from nevada's state republican party about that. coming up for us, a member of the house democratic leadership will be joining us. what do democrats plan to do next? and later, the d.c. mayor's urgent request for more assistance from the white house ahead of the inauguration now. the new and real security concerns ahead of joe biden's swearing in. when a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> another element of breaking news on capitol hill. we have now just learned that the house democrats impeachment resolution, the article of impeachment, has been formally introduced today. it was just introduced just now. which now sets in motion everything that we have been talking about. moving rapidly towards what will likely be a second historic impeachment of donald trump. joining me now is dan kildee, the chief deputy whip. thank you for coming in. how quickly is the house going to vote on impeachment this week? >> well it could be as early as wednesday. i'm a co-sponsor of the impeachment resolution. tomorrow we'll go to the floor with a resolution calling upon the vice president and the cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment. ab sent their action, can we're

still hopeful about, but ab sent their action, we'll move as quickly as possible to take the impeachment article to the floor of the house and act upon it. >> do you really think there is any chance you're going to hear a response from mike pence? >> you know, it is hard to say. mike pence, like many of us, were targets of this mob. and i have to hold out the hope that he understands that he was left out in the cold by donald trump in a dangerous situation and, kate, it is hard for some of us to not think about this personally. i was part of a small group that was left behind in the gallery when the capitol was evacuated. they were coming for us and for mike pence. the idea that won't move and those around him to think really carefully about the fact that when that was happening, donald trump was in the white house gleefully cheering on this crowd

and couldn't figure out why the people around him weren't sharing his glee. if that doesn't disqualify him of all of the things that do disqualify him, i don't know what does. >> and i'm sorry i didn't ask off the top. because you and your staff lived through a terror attack, real trauma on wednesday. how are you doing? >> you know, i'm doing okay. i was listening to your reporting earlier and one thing i have to say is absolutely correct, somebody mentioned that we're learning more exactly about how exactly this thing went down and how dangerous it was. and so for those of us that were in that really bad spot for a while, we thought we were in danger. with you only in the last couple of days have come to understand exactly the kind of danger that we were facing. and that sort of retraumatized everybody all over again. so i feel for my friends who have this now special bond of those folks that, like others

who were stuck in rooms in the capitol and some staff were in the same position. but we were in this terrible situation in the gallery, but obviously i'll carry this with me for rest of my life. we now see we have a president of the united states who was involved in a scheme, a plan to try to overthrow another branch of the very government that he's a part of. my god. the idea that some of my republican colleagues are still clinging, number one to this big lie about the election, it is a lie they know is a lie. it is not that their ignorant or naive, it is that their cynical. and the idea that some of them are still clinging to this adds another measure of trauma to the country. because they're not accepting responsibility for their part of this, as small as it might have

been and that is very difficult for us. >> well, congressman, to that point, one of the house republicans who has led the charge in this was congressman jim jordan and he spoke out this weekend and i want to play for you what he had to say about impeachment. >> i hope that the democrats don't go down this road. i i do not see how that unified the country. >> add to jim jordan, three members of the michigan congressional delegation, three republicans, all in your state delegation, they all voted even after the fact, they all voted to continue with this just like jim jordan did. what should happen -- what should the consequence be? >> well, i think one consequence that is inescapable already is that their names are etched in stone for all history. after an attack on the capitol of the united states, where

members were at risk of losing their lives, where five people actually died, including now two capitol police officers, they still clung to this big lie because they saw the political benefit to it. so i take -- i give jim jordan especially no comfort. where was his speech about unity when they were on the floor of the house of representatives contesting a legitimate democratic election, trying to disenfranchise the votes of american people. and for my michigan colleagues, where are their crocodile tears about unity when they were actually going not just to court, but to the court of public opinion and the congress of the united states trying to take away the legitimately cast votes of millions and millions of michigananders, and millions of americans. this false clutching of pearls, that these members of congress are now trying to conjure, just

falls pretty flat when they fan the fuels of this flame because they warmed themselves by the heat of this flame and now pretending that they never saw the fire in the first place. they could tell somebody this. maybe they look at themselves in the mirror and tell them this story. don't give it to me and don't try to pass this off on the american people. because we're not falling for it. >> you've said that you want to see obviously trump convicted and removed from office immediately. i lean on the immediately because we did hear from the majority whip jim clyburn who said that the house could hold on to the article of impeachment for a few months and then send it over to senate for possible for trial. do you agree with that strategy? i don't want to call it a strategy. i don't want to seem -- i don't know what i want to seem. but would you agree with that, would you support that move?

>> it is possible. it may be made necessary. because mitch mcconnell is clinging to this pretense that he has no authority to call the senate back in to take this important action to -- >> but then, does it then also call into question that your call for immediatesy. >> i think the immediate need is that in the house, which the only body we have control, will have the constitutional tool to rein in a rogue presidency. and there are immediate effects to that. the president's ability to execute the use of pardons for example could be compromised but the fact that an impeachment has occurred. and then ultimately the conviction in the senate and wherever it may take place, you know, the removal from office is the penalty for the conviction. the conviction itself is important. it has value. it is a moment where the congress has acted even if it takes a while to convict the president of a crime.

the sentence, if you will, is the loss of office and the loss of any future office. now we may not remove him because he could already be gone and down in mar-a-lago, but the fact that we will say to the world that we don't tolerate this, and we won't tolerate this person ever allowing his shadow to glance upon the doorstep of the american government, that is an important statement that i think has to be made even if it takes months. >> congressman, thank you for coming on. i want to get back over to the breaking news that we were discussing with congressman kildee. so where do things stand out. >> the one charge of incitement has been introduced by the sponsors of the resolution, david cicilini and david lew and right now the expect according to lawmakers in the wake of that introduction is while nothing is

finalized or nothing is finaling in speaker pelosi announces it, there will be a vote on wednesday. as we talked about earlier, there is no question, no doubt democrats have the votes to impeach the president. i think the big question is a couple of things. first, how many republicans will join. democrats have made clear they are reaching out and trying to get republicans who they know are just as angry or just as frustrated or just to be frankly scared as they were in the wake of january 6th, to see if they will come on board an sign on to impeachment. something that didn't happen back in 2019. and then the other question is once the president is impeached for the second time by the house, when does the article of impeachment get sent over to the senate. what we're starting here, you heard it, kate, james clyburn, in leadership, said something along the lines of maybe we'll wait 100 days for the biden administration to get their nominees confirmed and get the stimulus package through and get the proposals, that was on the table. what we're hearing more and more

from lawmakers today, now the impeachment has been introduced, think want to move quickly. that creates the issue of the senate not be in session until january 19th there is a real possibility this ends up in the lap of chuck schumer of new president joe biden. but right now all of the focus is on the house and with the resolution now officially introduced, and obviously no sense right now that president trump will resign or that vice president pence is going to invoke the 25th amendment, let's make something abundantly clear. president trump is two days away from being the first president in the history of united states to be impeached twice, case. >> phil, thank you. phil will continue to follow breaking news from the hill. still ahead, joe biden's inauguration is just nine days away. mayor of the d.c. is asking president trump for emergency help to secure her city. liberty mutual customizes your home insurance,

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ahead of joe biden's inauguration next week, there are now new concerns over security for this very big event. washington, d.c.'s mayor is also now asking the white house for emergency declaration funding to beef up security. this is as online chat are calling for more extremist violence is ramping up in our

nation's capital and in all 50 states. the national guard is stepping up presence for the inauguration. the guard personnel from at least 11 states who will be assistance. we're joined now on all angles of this. jessica, what is d.c.'s mayor asking for. >> she's making a urgent plea to the president wanting him to declare a preemergency disaster declaration and that was granted back in 2009 to support president obama's inauguration and it is intended to facilitate more funds here and resources that will safeguard the inauguration. this is at the sape time that the mayor is asking dhs put millennial procedures in place between today and january 24th, four days after the inauguration, that would extend the initial time period and also wants more federal coordination to secure the federal proper so

d.c. police could focus on the rest of the city and not be dragged into any riots or attacks if they were to take place again like we saw last week. and mayor bowser is asking the department of interior to deny all permits for people who want to protest, demonstrate, gather and any time between now and january 24th because of course we know that there were several permits issued last week, january 6th, for the gatherings there. so now the mayor wants to shut down all gatherings before they even start, kate. >> and shimon, you have new reporting that investigators are looking at the level of planning that went into the attack on capitol on wednesday. and if there are plans, if there were coordinated plans at all to take hostages. what are you learning? >> reporter: yeah, when you look at the images with the people that the fbi has arrested, some of them had zip ties, some of the equipment that we saw people bring with them inside of the capitol, this has authorities very concerned that perhaps there was a bigger plot here

underway to try and take some of the lawmakers hostage, specifically one of the things that they're looking at is whether or not people were targeting the speaker, nancy pelosi. another clue as to why perhaps authorities think it was more planned out was because the outgoing capitol police chief told "the washington post" that the pipe bombs that the fbi and atf found, he believes they may have been placed there as a diversion to try and get police to leave the capitol and to pay attention to the pipe bombs therefore depleting some of the resources at the capitol. so that is a significant clue. fbi agents all across the country, kate, are really digging into this from every field office trying to figure out what exactly was going on here. who was planning what. some of the people they've arrested are talking. so that is good for the fbi because they're able to gather more information. and while we're seeing some

charges appear to be minor at this point, some of the charges that these guys are facing, we do expect those charges to get more severe as the investigation goes on. >> shimon, thank you, jessica, thank you both very much. coming up for us, after five days of silence, first lady melania trump is speaking out. what she is saying. that is next. >> man: what's my safelite story? my truck...is my livelihood. so when my windshield cracked... the experts at safelite autoglass came right to me... with service i could trust. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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first lady melania trump is speaking out over what happened at capitol last week, an insurrection ip cited by her husband. the first lady condemning the attack but also in it lashing out what we called salacious gossip sur rounding her whereabouts when the violence unfolded. kate bennett as more. what is your take on this statement. what is she saying here. >> we waited five days to hear from her. and she had to lot to say about how she was being treated in the wake of the attack. i am disappointed and disheartened with what apped last week. i find it shameful that surrounding these tragic events there has been salacious gossip unwarranted and personal attacks on me. from people would are looking to be relevant and have an agenda. this time is solely about healing our country and its citizens.

it should not be used for personal gain. so clearly, kate, she's feeling as though people are coming after her, particularly perhaps her former senior adviser stephanie wolcott who said she has not heard from her and america has not heard from her. this is melania trump making clear that she is a victim as part of this bigger you know issue that america is dealing with. it feels to me a little bit obviously late and tone deaf and i think she's going to get a lot of . >> and parts of the statement are strikingly similar, as a locality of folks are pointing out, to the speech she gave it the rnc over the summer. did she just copy and paste here is this. >> reporter: basically. it's funny, kate, i've covered her for years now, and i read the statement this morning and it sounded familiar. i went back to the rnc speech, and sure enough, there were

sections that were literally very much the same words, the same thing, and it was a copy/paste situation. i will say that she did lose two senior staffers, one being the white house social secretary, but the other, stephanie grisham, her long-time chief of staff, communications director, stephanie grisham was the one who wrote most of her speeches, who wrote that rnc speech. so right now the east wing maybe has a couple junior staffers, so it is very much a skeleton crew. the first lady appears to have cobbled together this statement using her own words from august. >> i guess we should take this as seriously as we could have taken her initial platform taking on cyberbullying at the beginning of their term. kate, thank you. as of this morning an alternative social media platform among the right is offline. this comes one day after amazon announced it would no longer support the parler website through its massive web service

offerings. apple and google removed the app last week as well, late last week, and president trump was cut off from twitter, facebook and many more platforms for inciting the deadly riot at the u.s. capitol. what does this all mean in this moment? joining me now is rick thompson. he's the editor in chief for "wired." nick, thank you for coming back on. you could see this over the weekend as it was discussed. what does this mean today that parler is offline? where does that conversation go now? >> parler was taken offline, but what we've seen in the past is when one of the big infrastructure companies knock one side off, it very quickly is likely to come back some other way. parler will likely find another hosting provider, and within a week, two weeks, we'll be back up. it depends whether people will want to post there, if its reputation has become toxic, but we've seen this in the past. gab got kicked offline after a

not so terrible event, but it has come back and people are speaking there. >> you're already hearing cries of censorship, violation of speech rights. this isn't the same thing. speak to if there is any truth to that, please. >> no, there is no legal truth to the idea that these companies are being knocked online or that trump is sensitive to losing his first amendment rights because he can no longer post on twitter. private companies can do business with the companies they want to do business with. if amazon doesn't want to host parler because it thinks parler doesn't moderate its speech on its platform up to amazon's standards, amazon can do that. there is no legal way that this is a violation of free speech. however, there is a principle of free speech, and it is important to a lot of companies, and it is clearly counter to that principle what is happening right now. twitter used to call itself the free speech wing of the free speech party. it no longer, clearly, holds

free speech as absolute a value. what you are seeing in the silicon valley is the value of free speech changing and the value being put on it changing if it was a legal violation. it's only a legal violation of free speech if the government does something. >> nick, do any of these moves with the big tech companies get to the bigger issues at the role social media has played in spreading extremisextremism, ha lies? >> no, they don't, actually. the key question for twitter isn't whether donald trump should be on twitter or should not be on twitter. it is why someone like donald trump found that twitter was his most important microphone. what was it about the structure of twitter, the algorithm of twitter, the way twitter works that allowed trump to use it so successfully? remember, trump himself said he would not have become president

were it not for twitter. if i were an engineer or project manager at twitter, i would spend a little bit of time thinking about values and whether trump should be on the platform, but i spend a lot of time thinking about what it is about this algorithm, what it is about the nature of this kind of social media that allowed trump to thrive and ultimately to incite the violence we saw at the capitol. >> you raised very important questions. what would you say -- do you have a singular question kind of regarding big tech going forward after this? real change or real fallout? do you see it? >> i think there will be real fallout, i think there will be a real splirntering, i think ther will be a lot of fallout. but the people who use social media, did we create a monster in social media? do the algorithms in social

media inevitably lead to what we saw in the past week? and if they do, and i kind of think they do, we need a major rethinking about how those algorithms work. >> what about coming from washington? one thing we talk about is how d.c. has no idea what to do with the internet. >> d.c. has no idea what to do with the internet, doesn't know how to regular late the internet isn't clear who should regulate the internet, and the question of the president being banned is one that's confusing, complicated. it's not sure that twitter has upheld its policies, and the reason why facebook and twitter have been in this vacuum is there are no clear rules about whether it's regulated or not. >> thank you, nick. we'll be right back. >> thank you.

hello to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing a very consequential day with us, dramatic breaking news in the congress this hour. house democrats charging president donald trump with a single article of impeachment, quote, incitement of insurrection. this marks a move to give him a final push from office even though he is in his final days. the democrats expect a full floor vote by wednesday.