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mask mandates if schools. let's go "out front." good evening, i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, breaking news, subpoenas. the january 6th select committee now wants to hear from a extremely loyal trump adviser peter navarro. he was trump's trade adviser, he had his ear, a person not shy about his plan to overturn the election. >> everything i am seeing, liz, tells me that this election was stolen. what i think we need to do tomorrow is appoint a special prosecutor to look at this issue. i think the georgia race needs to be postponed to february, because that place is a cesspool of activity. they ran the table on all of these dimensions of irregularities, so we need to do those things and i think we ought to think about seizing the voting machines. they stole this.

we can prove it. >> of course, they couldn't, because it didn't happen. but that didn't stop him from doing everything he could to try to prove that something didn't happen happened. we released a report quote/unquote in december of 2020, it was a basically a rehash of the baseless claims repeatedly debunked by state officials or both parties and had been tossed out of multiple courtrooms because there was absolutely no evidence at all to back any of it up. but the report caught trump's eye. he tweeted in december 2020, peter navarro had a great report, statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 election. big protest in d.c. january 6th. be there or be wild. of course, it was more than wild, it was deadly. people died. and it's the reason the january 6th committee wants to speak to no var. >> reporter: a man after january

6th wrote a book to overturn it. a book mentioned in their subpoena where they say, quote, in your book, you reportedly describe this plan as the green bay sweep and stated it was designed as a last best chance to snatch a stolen election from the democrat's jaws of deceit. no one advised him on the writing style. navarro responded making it clear he will not turn on trump, saying as domestic terrorists january 6th witch hunt are well aware, president trump invoked president privilege, it is not my privilege to waive. you listen to a loyal foot soldier navarro was. >> my mission in this administration is to serve as a soldier for the greatest commander-in-chief ever. i mean the trade adviser on the job czar, helping the greatest president in history. you have to understand, this is the hardest working president in

history. >> the subpoena coming as we learn the national archives asked the justice department to review whether trump environmented the presidential records act. paul ra reed is out live in washington. i want to start there. obviously, a investigation of law being, is possible here and certainly we've seen documents whipped-up documents thrown away, documents not put in the right place, documents not catalogued. what more are you learning about this request for the national archives through the department of justice? >> reporter: erin, this suggests archive officials believe trump may have violated laws by the handling of government documents. at this point it's not clear if the justice department will actually open an investigation. sources have repeatedly told cnn how trump throughouted the presidential records act, which require him to preserve materials related to his presidency. some of the documents he handed over to the archives, as you noted, appear to have been taped together.

just last night, a former white house official described how trump would leave the room and after him would come a deputy from the office staff secretary pulling stuff out of the trash, pulling stuff off trump's desk, trying to require with these preservation requirements. they said people that knew the rules, they tried to follow them. often, these retension requirements were not followed. now is that illegal? well, it is a crime to destroy government documents, but it requires that the person do so knowingly and when it comes to trump, we know from our sources that he was told by at least two chiefs of staff about his preservation obligations, but we also have been told by other advisers, yeah, he'd tear them up and expect someone to come after him and tape things up. the questions of whether this is illegal, that's still opened. given how he exploited former secretary of state hillary clinton's use of the private server the question of hypocrisy is blatantly clear. >> to not preserve this is a violation of the archives law.

he knew exactly what they were and how they worked. let me ask you about pe to navar rocks ro, what did he say to you? >> reporter: when it comes to the subpoena, i asked for his reaction. he referred to the committee conducting this investigation as quote domestic terrorists, called the investigation into january 6th a quote partisan witch hunt. that's one of trump's favorite phrases to dismiss investigations. now, navarro said any waiver of executive privilege would have to be negotiated with his attorney. as you noted, navarro extensively described his efforts to delay the county electoral vote in a book. he described it extensively in the press. he also rattled off a list of insults to former colleagues, saying pence betrayed trump, meadow sts a fool and a coward, kinsinger a useful idiot for nancy pelosi and the world's left. it does not appear he will

instructively engage with the committee and likely relish a fight on behalf of trump. even if he does not cooperate, the committee revealed it has spoken with over 500 witnesses as a part of this investigation. >> 500. it's a lot. que the question is, is it enough? thank you to so much. i want to go go gloria borger, former federal prosecutor. let me start with you. you hear paula talking to pe to navarro who is defiant and full of insults and demeaning insums about others, it would seem for the committee to do this now, they need something specific from navarro. what are you hearing in. >> well, it would seem that way or in talking to sources familiar with what the committee usually does in these situations, it may mean that they have some information that they glean from other sources that are not reflected in the letter that they sent to no var

ro tonight. the letter was he worked with over 100 members of congress and this was his green bay sweep as he talked about, how they worked to overturn the election and trump was aware of it on board with this strategy. so, they may have other sources that are saying more to them and they want to hear from navarro on it as paula said, he's not likely to cooperate. but i think they're making this effort because they got stuff from other places. >> right. which i guess would obviously be sfifk. do they need him to make sense for some information or would they just simply like him you know to put cherries on the top. those things can be different. navarro is making it clear, he mocks and disdanes the committee. he will not cooperate and has reason to believe the cooperate would pay off. steve bannon refused to cooperate. he was indicted three months ago, nothing has happened.

he continues his regular life, podcasting, radio show. where does navarro go? >> i think if he doesn't comply with it at all versus complying with it, showing up, raising his arguments, that's one thing. if he doesn't comply with it at all, they should make a referral and the justice department should prosecute him for contempt. it's worth remembering the prosecution for contempt isn't really to force someone to talk. it's an investigative function. it's to enforce the law. that's what the justice department needs to be doing, enforcing the law here. >> gloria, what does this say with they are? hay said they've talked to more than 500 people. that that's lot of people. yet when you look at documents that may be very important that have been shredded or destroyed, you know, it may be that you have lots of pieces that fit together but not sort of the lynchpins that you need. where are they?

>> we don't know. look. they've interviewed huge numbers of people. some have come in on the transom saying they want to help. others have to be suspend. i think they're waiting for the justice department to decide what to do, for example, with meadows, former chief of staff mark meadows. and we don't know the count of how many documents they have, that they are going through. i am sure it is enormous. and i think that's a huge task around i think in some of those documents, you may be seeing some of the stuff that peter navarro has not written about. so i do think we have a long way to go. this is an arduous task. they are trying to reconstruct not only the 187 minutes on the day of january 6th. >> right. >> also the days before and the days after and who financed this and so it is a huge, huge job and they know they have a ticking time clock, which is the

election coming up. so, you know, i think they're working as fast as they k. but it's a huge job. >> it is huge. as you point out, you know, the crittal questions are what exactly did trump know or direct? these are the things that would really move the needle. some of the fundamental things we knew from the beginning that they're working on. shan, that brings me to the other reporting, which is the documents that trump destroyed. the national archives has asked the department of justice to investigate his handling of white house records. we know trump records have been torn up. it's been reported this week trump would go through certain file boxes and pull things out of spec files and rip specific pieces up, many of which we understand did not get taped back together. but there was a specificity and a method to what he was doing. what does all that mean to you? how likely is it that he could be prosecuted for that? >> well, the likelihood really depends on the temperament of

good morning land's justice department. but the justice department in the past and should continue to take these kind of revels from another federal agency very seriously. and again, as a part of their job toen to enforce the law to look at this, paul indicated there is an intent question. that doesn't seem too hard to make in this case, so they need to take that seriously and you know i think it's rather ironic about navarro asking way back when this nonsense about a special prosecutor. frankly, we need a special prosecutor to look at these high level investigations of these insiders, what trump was doing, because at the lower level, the actual attackers, that's got doj pretty busy and the u.s. attorney's office in my office busy. they may need a special team for a deeper dive. >> that's very important point. right. you got yet hundreds of people out right now going through the justice system for what they actually did on that day. you know, in terms of violence.

thank you very much, both, appreciate it. next two leaders with two completely different takes on january 6th. the divide between trump and mitch mcconnell is now the divide in america's republican party. plus we take you to ukraine, miles from the border, russia is about to begin what will be one of their largest joint military exercises ever. you'll see. and he was a devout trump supporter, participated in january 6th. on this story only on "out front," he's actually starting to have a change of heart. >> so half-january 6th, i came here and i kept mumbling, i feel like i just got out of a cult. this is the sound of nature breaeathing. and this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler.

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same position, we would not be discussing any of today and our country would be strong and proud instead of weak and embarrassed. long-time gop donor, dan, i appreciate your time. let's start with where we are here. i know who you want to be speaking for the republican party. but if your true heart of hearts when you look at it, who do you believe is actually speaking for the republican party right now? senator mcconnell or donald trump? >> well, in a lot of ways, i think donald trump is speaking for the republican party. i think maybe mitch mcconnell should be given trump's quote there. look. the point is we want to win elections in the primary. we want to win elections in the general and i think you know this continued focus on looking in the rear view mirror and in the past is not where we are going. i think mitch mcconnell in his heart of hearts knows they're focusing on 2022 and 2024 is the path the republicans need to be focusing on. >> so it comes as we're

learning, dan, that the former vice president pence did actually not initially intend to publicly say trump was wrong about to say pence could overturn the election. he literally said donald trump is wrong. but apparently, he wasn't planning to go quite that far. two people close to pence are saying the reason he actually did that was trump made a couple critical and nasty statements about pence. those were the final straws. pence said, i'm going to come out much stronger here. after pence actually did it, he did it because trump pushed him over the lean, but he hadn't been planning to, then republican lawmakers and donors surprised pence. he got all these phone calls from people not saying that. is that what you are hearing in gop circles? >> well, i talked to a couple people, many people kind of like you know let their hair down, breathe a sigh of relief, really

appreciated pence's courage in saying those words. i know two people specifically that have reached out to mike pence directly to thank him for that. but i think to me the whole thing goes to, you know, pence has been backed up into a corner many, many times and has a stiff upper lip or silent or pro trump every single time. so to see the little relenting, a little opening the door. the little of opening the window here, you know, shows that there is to me there is life in the democracy, life in the republican party post-trump, despite what people think and despite the math for trump. >> so in this context, the retired general keith kellogg said something. he, of course, is pens's national security adviser. he comes out in response to another aid to both trump and pence in the white house. alissa farrow, now a cnn contributor. she tweeted, quote, put me

squarely in the pence/mcconnell camp, certain denunciation must be unequivocal. his response, is as mid-terms draw close in 2024 looms large, choices will have to be made, lines will be drawn, for me, it is trump. and, of course, you know, dan, he told the january 6th committee key information damaging to trump. he kamg out and answered the questions honestly and said trump tried coerce pence into overturning the election. he says for me, it is trump, in referring to 2024. what do you say to that? >> well, i say look, we have to have our courage and the point that breaks us and makes us, look, this is enough, this is enough. we got to start over. we got to look in what direction the country will move on. i think a lot of these people, look, everybody is looking no for the trump comeback. i'm looking for the trump comeback.

i think it's entirely possible. i wouldn't want to be widen in a rematch for sure, but, but, be up, all these people want to be in trump's universe and what does he value more than anything? loyalty. they want to be in good trump's good grace should he come book into power in 2024. there is a world still, a huge percentage of the republican party that still thinks that, feels that and still wants to be a part of a trump resurrection in 2024. i guess he put those in. >> he shouldn't. it certainly appears clear. darn, thanks. >> thank you. next, putin with analyst demand that he wants before he would consider pulling back ukraine. wait until you hear what it is. and a story you will see only "out front" tonight, you will see a trump supporter who participated in january 6th and afterwards called the stop the cult movement a cult. how was he able to break free? (sighs wearily)

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russia's largest joint exercises since the cold war. putin is sending hisbelarus. after contact forces have taken up positions on the ukraine border in the last 24 hours, they said the troop count will be heading close to 170,000. that's where it's heading in 2000 and one day. we are getting "out front" tonight in eastern ukraine. >> reporter: lying low over the ukrainian countryside this soviet-era military plane heads to the border with russia. we traveled here with senior ukrainian officials and military leaders to get a sense of the pood and preparations where russian troops are the closest, near the eastern dombas region. many of the ukrainian troops have been fighting russian-backed forces on this cold and desolate front.

they're eager to show us how they have been living and fighting here, in a conflict involving russia that has been largely forgotten, but which has taken over 14,000 lives in the past eight years, according to united nations. ivan has been here the whole time, like the other soldiers here, he says they're confident they could face a new russian invasion. >> of course, we are worried for the administration and we will wait here. >> reporter: do you think that will happen? this bad situation? >> i am not -- i don't know, i don't know what is in the guidance territory. >> reporter: but for you, the war has already started in. >> of course. >> reporter: we are taken to the farthest point forward, where sandbags and tires are piled high. then. so there was a burst of what sounded like automatic gunfire, we are just 70 metros, we areled to, from the fighters on the other side of the front line.

we are run away, the escort is keen for us to see what happened, but not too closely, hearing this gunfire and being so close to this front line. you can't help but think even in diplomacy succeeds in preventing russia from invading ukraine yet again this fighting since the last time russia invaded ukraine will almost certainly continue. nato leaders say ending the fighting already happening here is a critical part of preventing further russian aggression. with nato so far refusing to send troops to ukraine to fight. ukraine insists it needs more help. >> but the important issue is additional weapons, assistance with us, assistance from the west, financial assistance, we need to make sure not only in this country. >> reporter: as if to punctuate their point, more gunfire rings

out. now ukraine has been receiving regular shipments of weapons from, amongst others, the u.s. and united kingdom. today the uk sent another shipment of weapons. erin as you heard in this piece p piece, two ukrainian officials saying they need anti-aircraft weapons used against russian helicopters and planes if russia decides to invade. the commander tells me that they had made this request clear to the biden administration, but they have yet to get a firm answer. erin. >> thank you very much. live from ukraine tonight. and i'm going to go now to the former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia and ukraine and eurasia in the obama administration, with me spyder marks, ahead of academy securities, welcome back. general marks, you hear that

soldier, alex said, for you the war has already started. the soldier's replay, of course, do you see putin ending this without taking more ukrainian territory? >> not at all. i think there is a possibility for a negotiated settlement. i am not saying when the conditions are right ripe for that putin is not going to walk away without a win. so i would see some type of further incursion if you will into the dombas region as a minimum for putin to say, okay, now let's have a conversation about what the next step is. >> of course, you know, in doing that, definitionally that is violating the united states red line, this incursion. and when an administration official says in the last twours24 hours rush added 2,000 combat forces to ukraine remember that number is going up and up. they said they expect 30,000 to

come in, these numbers are getting up, 150,000 in terms of estimates of who will be there, if not now, soon. 12,000 in one day. two weeks ago, you told me you thought an invice was 80% likely, given what we are seeing day in, day out, how do you feel now? >> well, erin, i think you made the case. nothing has changed, in fact, vladimir putin escalated the situation. but i'm going to stand firm at 80% and when i say you know an incursion or invasion, any type of military operation against ukraine. i would agree with the general that is most likely that vladimir putin will go and try to seize the territory in the dombas. that is the territory where the war has been ongoing and over 13,000 people have lost their lives, where your contributor, your correspondent was reporting from. and that's, he could use that as levage to try to force an agreement on the ukrainians. there has been this so-called

minsk process the germans and french have been spearheading. it's going nowhere. the russians could decide to kind of tip the scales their way by seizing that territory. i am afraid to say, i do hope for negotiation. i think there is a possibility. but it's still more likely than not that they will use their forces. >> you know, it's all very sobering. you do have to judge on acts at some point, right, actions is not just standing there it's adding and adding and general marks are now hours away from these massive military exercises, both sides are holding up at the same time. obviously, that has its own potential parallel attached it to. but how closely are you watching the exercises, themselves, what they do, what happens? >> erin, the thing you see with this deployment of this size, first of all, it has all the combined elements that you would see in a combined arms team. that is you got heavy armor,

artillery, which the russians use in abundance, artillery, rockets, in logistics. you also have a joint force. you now have naval forces in the black sea. so when you look at this capability, what it tells you is, putin has the capability to execute an invasion tonight, to be determined what it looks like in size and scope. but he's got the capability. bear in mind that if he wanted to completely absorb all of ukraine, number one, that would be a gather gastaly invasion. he doesn't have the size in his militarily. you look at that time size of ukraine, he'd need a much larger force than he has presently. so it lends itself to a limited incursion. still, it's an incursion. >> that is significant context. evelyn, russia put out this list of conditions it says, must do

these in order to have any kind of deescalation, deliveries to ukraine must be halted. western military advisors and instructors removed from ukraine, all joint military exercises between ukraine and nato must end. all foreign weapons must be taken out of kyiv territory. that one on its own, that's not going to happen. so, are these demands anything that could be met even logistically? >> okay. erin, i am rolling my eyes. it's absurd. they're asking for unilateral disarmament. they're asking the ukrainians, don't defend your territory, roll over, play dead, let us have our way with a de-militarized ukraine. it's untenable. but it goes to show that you they can't really be serious about negotiating if these are the kind of demands that they're making. >> yeah. it's pretty stunning, as you

said, right, get all the weapons out and we'll sit there with a few hundred soldiers on the borders and watch nicely. thank you very much, i appreciate your perspective. >> thank you. nick, more blue states ending their mask mandates. but the white house is saying, no, it's too soon. plus a story you will see only "out front" tonight, a trump supporter who after january 6th called the stop the steal movement a cult after being there january 6th. so what happens when we follow him back to a trump rally? >> it's like a drug. i'm given one of these patriotic

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. tonight, the white house says students and teachers should follow cdc guidelines to wear masks in the class roomt. there is a growing number of democratic governors announce plans to well go the other way, drop mandates for schools. >> if you are a parent, a teacher, a student living in a state where that is no longer recommended, should you still follow the cdc guidelines? >> yes.

so even if the state is not requiring you wear masks in the schools? >> this is what we would 5d advise any americans to follow the cdc guidelines. >> john patrick maloney of new york is the chairman of the campaign committee that helps elect democrats to the house. this is a critical issue for you. the white house today, you got to different them credit, they're not wavering, dancing around it. they're dancing aside, blunt, telling the schools, listen to the cdc which says make up, not the six governors this week who said it's safe to drop masks in schools, democratic governors. do you think the white house is missing this one? >> no. i think the president has done a tremendous job on getting shots in arms, of making sure we have better therapeutics and testing and that the vaccines are widely distribute and available. and by the way, i think the distinction is still in new york at least, the governor is

waiting to see, you know, what no do about school mandates. but i this city larger issue of whether there should be blanket mandates for businesses and other public areas is a step that here in new york we feel comfortable taking because of the success of the president's policies, because of the success of responsible people doing the right thing. and masks, of course, will continue to play a role and everyone should feel free to wear one, especially if you feel vulnerable or uncomfortable. to issue mandates is one where i think we can stop mandating it. >> right. right. i understand the word "pan date" is important. the question was, if you are a (president or a teacher or a student, where masks are no longer recommend, should you still wear a mask? the answer from jen psaki was categoryiccal. yes. which brings me to you know and we both know governors are dropping the mask mandates, the red states, they're actually not

red states, they're blue states. they're red on this map. nine in yellow have not dropped formally school mask mandates him all but one are led by democratic governors. the republicans seized on this, kevin mccarthy pushed on this he said this today. >> kids are still wearing masks in school. you have prices continuing to rise, new inflation numbers. those are all the challenges people are worried about each around every day. those are the things i'm focused on here. >> are you concerned about how the double standard on masks may come off, where they are required in schools for kids, not for adults in the same states that that will hurt democrats? >> no, no, no, i personally believe we are very close if not already at a place, particularly in states like new york, where you don't need a mandate in schools or anywhere else. >> right. >> i do believe with cases dropping precipitously, with the success of vaccines.

you know you are 97 times less likely to die if you are vaccinated and boosted. where masks are very effective at protecting you even if the other person are unmasked, which means kids and parents can make decisions for themselves as can business owners and the rest of us. that is a function of the people doing the responsible thing. no thanks to kevin mccarthy by the way or folks who have fought us every step of the way on responsible measures that have brought us to this point. to this point, yes, we can move beyond mandates. >> i want to be clear, what you are saying is not what the white house is saying, the cdc is saying. they're not there right now. and -- >> excuse me, excuse me, i think there is a distinction that's important if i may. which is that the cdc is saying that masks make sense. that's not the same thing as mandating masks. there is a difference. masks have always made sense in certain situations. >> right. but they're saying that people should wear masks to schools and people should wear masks in

schools. i understand your use of the word "mandate. ". >> again, that's very important. that's very important. people who have co-morbidities, immune suppressed, nervous about it should wear masks. >> they are required to wear masks. >> and i think that in a state like new york, we can stop mandating it and we can leave these decisions to parents or local school boards, but the lowest level of government possible. i do think this is not a one size fits all situation any more. >> i understand your plan, i'm sorry, i don't mean to cut you off. we are short on time, i want to ask you one other question. it is this. >> sure. >> we know this is a hot button issue around people are passionate about it f. these rules change soon, it may no longer be a political story for you at the mid-terms. right now it actually s. you know, we've done a lot of stories on it. we talked to a rejs standard democrat in ohio, a mother, registered democrat in ohio. a mother, she said if you told me two years ago, i would not

believed it. why is my son double vaccinated and had crony is masking 40 hours a week when no one else is our society. he's low risk. i think democrats have been way too dogmatic about that. do you have time to earn her vote back? >> look, it's always the right time to do the right thing. i think that in the past there was a place for very serious and emergency public health measures, which have made us all seif i safer. but now the point is, in a state like new york with case rates dropping through the floor with effective therapeutics and testing and vaccines with mask wearing, if you want it, there is no reason for man indicts at this point. if things change, we can change back. but right now, we should free as many people from these restrictions, including people like that viewer. and if the politics fall short, the point is it's the right thing to do. we have all been through a lot. we should not continue these extraordinary mandates one

second longer than necessary and in a state like new york, the evidence is pretty good that we can do something better. >> all right. well, thank you very much, congressman. i appreciate your time. good to see you. >> good to see you. thank you. all right. next, meet a trump supporter at the capitol on january 6th. but in a story you will see only here, see why he is now calling the stop the stall movement a cult. do your eyes bother you? my eyes feel like a combo of stressed, dry and sandpaper. strypaper? luckily, there's biotrue hydration boost eye drop biotrue es naturally inspired ingredients.

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reversing course after participating in january 6th in the stop the steal rallies. he is now comparing the movement to a cult. we are "out front" with his story in tonight's inside look. >> january 6th, 2021, it was greatest day of my life. >> why? >> i felt like a patriot that was standing beside our founding fathers, speaking up against king george. i felt like braveheart. >> we first met him at a rally on the anniversary of january 6th. after the 2020 election, he lived in his car and went to every stop the steal rally. now he is calling the movement a cult, it is messy. >> if something was posted saying that there is a rally, like i was not in control. i was going, no matter what. how do i get caught up in this? i have never been to a trump

rally. you know, i wasn't one of those people. >> reporter: this interview january 6th, we had the same question. how did so many people get to a place where they were willing to commit crimes to stop a democratic election, all while calling themselves patriots. >> they pushed me out. >> reporter: so we spent four hours listening to every detail of keith's political journey. >> at the time i lived in georgia. i get there on election day and there were already a couple cars in the parking lot. a record turnout that they say that there was in fulton county, georgia, which is the county i voted in, it didn't happen. >> wasn't there a significant amount of early voting? >> in that demographic, it's a poor area. it's predominantly a black area. you will never be able convince me they were sitting around watching cnn and fox news and all these things and that's what they were most concerned about was the election and getting

their ballot in. if you ask people, is joe biden going to get more of the black vote than barack obama? people would say no and bind supposedly did. it doesn't make any sense. >> right, but the picture is one i'm interested in, which is, that you have skepticism about the black vote in this election. why is i.t. seems to me you said you lived in a black area and half of those people didn't pay attention to the election. why did you think you would be able to pay attention to that and black people wouldn't? >> i don't think that everyone is interested in politics like i am. it's not necessarily about racial lines. >> reporter: trump. has repeated this same trope. it's not fact. in 2008 an estimated 95% of black voters voted for obama f. 2020, 92% for biden. this was repeated until it seems

like cold hard truth as he went from protest to protest in stop the steal group. i'm not like trying to say are you a bad person or like you would use a racial slur. what i'm trying to get at is you might not be sensitive to the big picture about what it looks like disputing votes only in places where most of the voters are people of color and that people of color might take some offense to that. >> that's not what stop the steal was about. >> stop the steam was the about those votes don't count? some of those votes don't count, not your vote, but someone else's. >> i'm not going to be painted into this narrative that you are trying to go down this rabbit hole. i'm kind of done with the racial part of this. >> this is the party of trump. >> i got introduced to all the people that i've never heard of

that week in georgia. i remember alex jones being there, elly alexander, the founder of stop the steam. i met the leader of the proud boys, he was really nice. he's not a really big guy. he's a little bigger than me. >> here's what's interesting, is that like these small groups who have always been on the fringe see a mass movement. >> yes. 100%. >> tonight brigg crowd is going wild. >> the men was growing. >> there is mountains of evidence, this election was a fraud on america. >> sydney powell comes out. everybody fell like she is the one that is going to unveil all the evidence, election fraud. but the people that were giving evidence of election fraud is the same message we had heard a day before, weeks before, but it was like it's coming. it's going to be revealed. like keeping us, keeping us holding on for the next breath.

>> all that energies with released, january 6th. he saw what we saw. he didn't take the same lesson. >> i felt like a proud patriot on that day. it's not popular to say, but that's what i felt like. then just some crazy fight scenes started happening. >> did you think are we the bad guys? >> i thought this doesn't end well. >> what made you realize this was a cult? this is deeply immoral behavior. it is not patriotic either. >> so after january the 6th, i came here, i kept mumbling, i felt like i just got out of the a cult. >> what makes him frustrated is that though he calls it a cult, he still believes much of the cult's propaganda and still excuses its actions. because our crew was in the middle of the violence, it's hard not to have keith say it's association and it was wrong. which isn't fair, no one with power said they were sorry.

>> it was a lot of self analysis to get over the trauma of january 6th, itself, and the things i saw on both sides. >> i do not understand how you can pick sides, it seems like a really clear side. >> the things that i saw were bad regardless of which side are you on is what i'm saying. there is nothing illegal watch ac fight that's happening. that's not illegal. >> a mob storming the capitol. in some sense it is illegal. it's immoral. >> but i wasn't doing anything wrong. >> you were a part of the crowd. your very presence was giving them support. >> you're a part of the crowd as well. >> i was a junalist. >> i was a citizen there i think we are getting side tracked. >> i think actually this is at the heart of the question. this is the problem of a mop. it ab solves people of their moral culpability there. i was just one person especially want to be clear the people that actually had you know physical confrontations with police officers, they should be held accountable for that.

>> do you think the leaders who made these promises, that they couldn't keep, that there would be evidence that would change the results of the election, do you think they bear responsibility for the mob that stormed the capitol? >> no, i don't. they could have a grass roots movement, stop the steam. i realize i had been addict to the politics. i created this reference for the leaders of stop the steal. i felt i was which is more than ironic looking back, i can prevent a second civil war. >> reporter: he is writing a book that he says people got addicted to trump the way he did. we followed him around to see if he can get through. >> i know you don't remember me i saw you severalr several times last year. right now eighth drug, i will get a patriotic tee-shirt. >> reporter: he was nervous he'd get yelled at and that is what happened. >> i was at the capitol on

january 6th and my book is about all the stuff that i saw at stop the steal rally, then how. >> did you check with the fbi? >> not yet. >> you plead the fifth. >> because it's true. >> i get that a lot. that is disgusting. >> i don't care about your book and i prefer to you go away. >> reporter: how'd that go? >> wow. >> are they in the cult in. >> so, first of all, just their demeanor and the way that by my flag and by cnn, how they were just completely triggered. i guess i feel like i'm going to take incoming fire from both sides as the marketing continues. >> and you just switched from the cult to being a reference. >> i'm losing money by doing this, honestly, i k can have a great business career. i am not out here trying to make a bunch of money f. i make money, that's cool.

>> if you are not here no make a political point. what's your point a at all? >> my point, i'm dock this to watch auto for people. i have people that lost their job because they were going to go to the rally no matter what. people that were estranged from their family, whether it's politics or something else, don't get so caught off that are you not making your own digs any decisions anymore. >> it's stupendous, it was so inciteful and you present that in such a way we could see your frustration, too. so tell me, you have someone that says, it's a cult. i'm not going to be in it anymore. but i still believe in the tenets of the cult. did you learn more about why the idea that the election was stolen still has a hold over somebody, they would say it's a cult, but i believe in the core belief of the cult? >> there is a lot of social pressure. polls show a majority of republicans believe it was

stolen even if they didn't take it to this extreme. keith felt he mattered and he was a part of history and made a ton ton of friends, so when we followed him to a trump rally, he knew by questioning these beliefs even a little bit that he wasn't a part of the group anymore. he was sad about this. >> yeah, that was sort of an amazing moment. i mean, how did that feel watching that happen? >> i mean, i kind of actually liked him having to feel what we feel in these rallies, to be on the other side and what we feel like. >> thank you for sharing with us. thank you. it's time now for ac 366. there is no paper over the breaking news, the federal agency in charge of federal records asked the justice department to investigate the former president's habit of ripping up official documents and/or squirreling them away to mar-a-lago. john berman here i