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the future and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward but we're not going back. >> and i do believe that the american people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the american people. which is why i intend to create an opportunity economy investing in small businesses in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. i believe in what we can do together. that is about sustaining america's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve including

respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world. i will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. i'll tell you, i started my career as a prosecutor i was a da, i was an attorney general, a united states senator, and now a vice president. i've only had one client, the people. and i'll tell you, as a prosecutor, i never asked a victim or a witness. are you a republican or a democrat? the only thing i ever ask them. are you okay and that's the kind of president we need right now someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. i intend to be a president for all americans and focus on what we can do over the next ten and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the american people.

>> vice president harris, thank you. president trump so she just started by saying she's going to do this she's going to do that. she's going to do all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for 3.5 years they've had 3.5 years to fix the border. they've had 3.5 years to create jobs and all the things we talked about why hasn't she done it? she should leave right now. go down to that beautiful white house, go to the capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do. but you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the american people don't believe in. you believe in things like we're not going to frack. we're not going to take fossil fuel we're not going to do things that are going to make this country strong. whether you like it or not. germany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants. we're not ready for it. we can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision but i just

ask one simple question why didn't she do it? we're a failing nation we're a nation that's in serious decline. we're being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. they're laughing. i know the leaders very well. they're coming to see me. they call me. we're laughed at all over the world. they don't understand what happened to us as a nation. we're not a leader. we don't have any idea what's going on. we have wars going on in the middle east. we have wars going on with russia and ukraine. we're going to end up in a third world war, and it will be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons. the power of weaponry. i rebuilt our entire military. she gave a lot of it away to the taliban. she gave it to afghanistan. what these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country many of them are criminals, and they're destroying our country. the

worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country, president trump. >> thank you. and that is our abc news presidential debate from here in philadelphia at the national constitution center. i'm linsey davis and i'm david muir. thank you for watching. here in the u.s. and all over the world. and from all of us here at abc news, good night an historic night with a current vice president. >> the first ever woman and first ever person of color to be vice president. debating a former president of the united states. before the debate trump supporters expressed hope that the former president would stay focused on issues such as in inflation and immigration and that did appear to be a struggle for donald trump. perhaps too often, most notably when he invoked what authorities in springfield or ohio or are saying is just false, a debunked meme that haitian migrants are stealing

and eating pets he said that on the debate stage tonight, if illegal immigration is the most important issue to you as a voter. >> he did talk about it aggressively, but vice president harris's supporters have got to be pleased with her performance this evening, which was focused on an a telling voters that she cares about them and she has a plan for them and over and over baiting donald trump into talking about crowd sizes and court cases and nancy pelosi and russiagate and grievance. and he took the bait almost every time, if not every time. he cited fox hosts as fact checkers. he invoked hungarian strongman viktor orban as a character witness. it was like a fortune post come to life. he really took her bait almost every time. if you're a fisherman, as i struggle to be, you would be lucky to have your bait taken so often instead of focusing on trump filling in the blanks for those voters unfamiliar with her he focused on stuff as if

he was the incumbent. i'm not sure harris necessarily did enough to fill in the blanks that undecided voters might have about specifics about her plans but there's no question democrats have to feel good tonight about the trade of biden for harris, who showed herself to be a strong candidate. she delivered a strong message. and yes, she prosecuted the case against trump. she started the debate. she began the debate approaching donald trump, shaking his hand at the podium, kind of forcing him to shake her hand introducing herself and from that moment on dana, she took the fight right to him. >> you know, i'm just looking up this is the quote that i think really sums up what kamala harris, her whole message was tonight. you're not running against joe biden, you're running against me. it was obviously a planned line but it deftly explains how she kind of triangulated and she separated herself obviously,

from donald trump and where she needed to from joe biden. and what was so fascinating is that she didn't do it on defense. she did it on offense, really, in every turn. there are real weaknesses in the biden, harris administration, from the economy to immigration to afghanistan. just take afghanistan for an example instead of talking about the disastrous, chaotic withdrawal, she turned it to the fact that he invited the taliban to camp david and talked about started talking about abbe lowell and exactly and then you mentioned that she was baiting him. she baited him and he took the bait every single time, as you said. she was also using the language that he usually uses. she she kind of stole it from him. disgrace week, things like that. that really get to him. the other thing that i just want to add is that she began to turn to who she is by saying, i'm not joe biden, i'm donald trump. i'm from a new generation, a different

generation of of of leaders and she clearly wanted people to understand what she's made of for people who are really wanting to know all of her 17 point policy plans they might be disappointed. but for people who want to know who she is and what she's made of, they got it tonight. now the voters are going to have to decide and it's going to take them a while to digest it, and we don't want to suggest that we have any idea how this is going to play. but those are the observations for how she handled that and the way that he did not handle it well i think it's pretty simple. >> i mean, she had a plan. she executed on that plan. the plan was to quite simply bait donald trump to force him to battle on her turf at every turn. i mean she talked about china. he starts defending his love for for xi jinping. she talks about you know, she she talks about

his sexual assault cases. he starts defending himself on that turf she wanted to do that. but i also think i did see her trying to kind of really lay the groundwork on the policy issues that the campaign thinks will matter particularly in the state of pennsylvania. right the commonwealth, excuse me, of pennsylvania. um she the very first answer that she gave was about her economic policy, where she talked about the $50,000 that they want to they want to put out there for small business owners that they would get an a tax refund. i thought that was incredibly important because they clearly know that there were a lot of things that they put out on economic policy. not all of them were received well. that one was received well and i and i also thought you know, there were other moments where she talked a lot about her family. she talked about her upbringing. she talked about how she was raised. i mean, the plan was to not just introduce herself, but to introduce herself specifically to pennsylvania

voters so that they understood on economic policy, on fracking, where she stood. and she executed that plan whereas trump i don't know what the plan was that he had jake i didn't think i was ever going to witness a debate as devastating as the one that you and dana moderated back in, in june, where joe biden basically tanked his reelection campaign. i think tonight was just as devastating. i think that kamala harris pitched a shutout uh, on almost every subject i can think of, she shut trump down on abortion. she shut trump down on january sixth, and democracy, she shut him down on national security and turned to the former president and said the military leaders who served with you think that you're a disgrace. and then, as dana mentioned, very powerfully at the end made the point that she is the candidate of change and we need to turn the page from a decade of division and polarization on substance. i think she she pitched a shutout, and i think

she did on style as well. i mean my the image of the debate to me is she's they're happy smiling, expressive, shaking her head. uh and dismay at things. trump was saying. and trump looked angry, scowling. she was looking directly at the audience. he was looking at the moderators and arguing with them and something else. and he was. he he. donald trump looked old tonight and and you know some somebody said uh, on my show on saturday she wins just by showing up. i didn't know that that was going to be true. i think it was she was the candidate who was reacting to just from the moment the two of them were on the stage. >> everything that she said, well, what you saw really was under control. vice president kamala harris, prosecuting this debate with surgical precision. she was aware as she must have been as a prosecutor, that the second you were inside of a courtroom, the jury is looking at everything you're doing muted microphones doesn't matter. her verbal nonverbal cues, her body language, her

incredulous expressions, at one point putting her hand under her chin to demonstrate that she was completely baffled by his line of defense, losing a battle of expert witnesses. you're talking about talking about national security advisers, talking about nobel laureates, talking about the whole litany of people who do not buy what he's selling. also very well trained and seasoned, and knowing how to grapple with somebody who is going to possibly be bombastic, petulant defensive and have a derailed effort. she focused on all of those things. i saw somebody who, when she came out, allow me to reintroduce myself. my name is kamala harris. on behalf of kamala harris. she came out with that in mind. i think she executed now donald trump tried to derail her a number of times. but notice i'm saying the words donald trump and the way she did it wasn't president trump. she was referring to him as similarly as you would in a courtroom. the defendant, the defendant under his title reminding you of what how did she phrase it? what he left us with. it was a really dynamite

performance. >> so, anderson, i mean his lack of parrying his lack of making kamala harris and the biden-harris record, the focus. i mean, if you watch this debate and you didn't know that she was the incumbent vice president you saw a debate where donald trump was really on defense, and he and his record were the subject of the debate not the incumbent leader kamala harris did tonight with no governor senator, politician, business person who has run against him in primaries for in 2016. >> and certainly anything he faced in 2020 has figured out what no one else figured out how to do certainly, marco rubio didn't figure it out by going after little hands. he debased himself, as many have. i want to show just some key moments where she needled donald trump on the most sort of obvious, basic things that we all know. he has said. we all know her weak points to devastating effect. let's just

take a look let's talk about what donald trump left us. >> donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. donald trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. donald trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. what the wharton school has said is donald trump's plan would actually explode the deficit i'm going to actually do something really unusual, and i'm going to invite you to attend one of donald trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch. you will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like hannibal lecter. >> he will talk about windmills, cause cancer and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. and i will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. if you want to really know the

inside track on who the former president is if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him john king it was the moment she talked about his crowd size of all things and people. >> he was crowd size. it was people being bored and leaving his rallies early. i don't think he ever recovered from that. he was he started shouting and he never stopped. >> she triggered him there. i think she was uneven at the top. not a bad answer first answer in the economy, but not a great answer she got her footing during the abortion conversation, where she felt more comfortable and then she triggered him with the people leave your rallies and he lost it and he was angry. from that moment on, his voice went up. he started angering. he told a lot of lies daniel dale is going to be up all night. we should start a go fund me for his espresso machine he he did. and so what did she do? she triggered him on covid january 6th and democracy, abortion chaos, lies. and his anger. what are those those are the issues that turn the american suburbs away from donald trump, and why he lost the 2020

election. those are the voters who were waiting to see if she could stand there and be a plausible president next to him. she cleared that bar. that doesn't mean she won their votes, but she cleared that bar with eight weeks left in the election, she stood next to a former president, and she more than held her own. and on many of the issues, she schooled him. she simply schooled him because she triggered him into his lies and into his anger, which does not sell well with the the middle of the electorate that will decide things eight weeks from tonight you know, i've been involved in a lot of these. >> i helped prepare a candidate for these debates six of them, and i've been watching them since i was a little boy. i have scarcely seen one like this uh, and the degree to which she dominated this and, you know, part of it was a butt kicking and part of it was kind of someone doing themselves in. i said earlier, jokingly, that you know, when they said he's a muhammad ali in the debates that you know, their fear has

to be that he knocks himself out. he kind of helped. but she set him up as john said. but these things are more than about issues. these things are tests, these campaigns, these debates. they're oral exams for the hardest job on the planet and people judge you in these moments and they judge whether you have the mettle to stand up to that pressure to, to, to, to to, to be coherent, to deliver a case, uh and she certainly did that tonight. >> then she whooped him she just whooped him uh, and i think that there's been a desire, you know, in good fiction, there's like wish fulfillment like, you know, you watch a movie because you want something to happen, like some great romance people have wanted to see somebody put this bully in his place. and people have watched contender after contender failed to put him in his place. she got up there and she put him in his place. she baited him and then she spanked him. she baited him and then

she spanked him and and not only did she pass the commander in chief test, he failed it. he failed it. do you want this guy dealing with a dictator when he can literally just be? i mean, you could see the punches coming he couldn't get out of the way. i mean, if you can. so unhinge somebody by saying people leave your rally. any world leader can manipulate you into anything so. >> so i think that she passed the test. he failed it. but i think also she was speaking for the people. she really was speaking for the people. i think the right wing may not see it, but she kept coming back to a middle class background. he kept talking about himself and himself. he went down every rabbit hole imaginable. kamala harris did something great for every parent in america. she put the bully in his place. yeah. i'm not. i can't add more to what you guys have said. using political terms such as butt whooping. >> um, but she i mean, harris hacked donald trump tonight, and we talked earlier. i mentioned, you know, being

>> is years doesn't mean that he is unpredictable and it turned out she could use a mad libs of triggers of everything. he's ever talked about or been bothered by and use them in a formula that was too on him. first talk about an attack line. he might have donald trump said to her, take a topic she was weak on and follow it up with a trigger for him. and then what? jim spin himself in circles trying to defend it. and at the start of this conversation, at the start of the night, we talked about who's going to look like an incumbent versus who's going to look like a challenger. and she i think she made herself looked like the challenger to a person and really kind of ran through his record i mean, you don't you know him well, i mean, even on the immigration question, she quickly turned it in totally emasculated him and got him discombobulate she dismantled him and made it the on the issues he should be the strongest on border security, the economy. he ended up re-litigating his rallies and talking about his crowd sizes. i mean she put the bait out

there and he took it. and i'm hearing from republicans because i'm trying to think from the perspective of okay. if you're a trump viewer at home, what are you thinking, sitting republican lawmakers who objective-c think she won the debate, but also that the mask is starting to slip with donald trump that this is the man who projects himself as strong as in command. and in fact, he simply is not with just the minor challenging asking for more substantive questions, asking him to lay out a health care plan, basic things. he just can't do it. certainly not the way he could have in previous years to the health care point. >> i think the moderators did a very good job with the idea that you look everyone you were president for four years now has been three-and-a-half years of joe biden, you ran for president couple of years before you we're president. donald trump said the best he could do about the affordable care act or obamacare has some concept in some ideas that issue was perilous for the democrats in the first two years when it was being implemented, because the change hadn't been fulfilled yet and changes scary when it comes to something so personal like your healthcare, it's one of the most popular issues in the country right now. it has been a huge boon for democrats

again, i'm going back to if you're a trump voter, i'm getting incoming from some of the trump voters i've met in my travels and they're defending him. but the republican strategists, they're not surprised because they know donald trump. they know he takes the bait, but they're really disappointed that he didn't have answers on substantive policy questions. to your point about immigration, that it should be his issue. he took the bait and was talking about conspiracy theories and other things. and on policy proposals that matter to the people who will settle the election. he had nothing to say, you know, i think she showed up as herself she is a prosecutor. she can prosecute the case. she is not afraid to hold people accountable. that is how she started her career and she did just that. and she laid some breadcrumbs in her opening statement talking about you're gonna hear a lot of lies. and every time she tripped him up a little bit, she didn't then try and respond to him. she just said, see what i told you. i told you what you were gonna get. i'm keeping them honest she also

helped turn the page when she said you're not running against joe biden, that was a subtle reminder for americans for the last two years. so they didn't want that rematch. and the last time they watched the debate it was a rematch and she was like, guess what, folks, i'm here here's an alternative. here's a path to the future in the filing. let's it is that i'm texting with some folks who are doing dow testing, focus groups during this debate, undecided voters in georgia. first, the gender gap is massive. it's about a 2030 the point gender cap on her responses. but trump's one of trump's worst answers was his response to covid, and that was really when he started to unsparing and unravel and he couldn't get back on track say what you want friends. but she nailed it. >> okay. now now now from the other side the other man, the other america, right there, right america. so john, i agree that she passed the test. does she look presidential? did she do a good job up there? she did pass that test but she was very

light, you know, you're complaining about trump saying you don't have details on on your plan. no details provided on anything here. but for her, she was she is very good at kind of rattling off or two-minute answers, but then never really answered the questions. i think red america will look at this and say, i mean, i see it in the tweets i never thought i'd say this, but cnn does such a great job on the debate and being fair essentially, were abc was not fair. this was this was a two to three on one at times versus troubled. they are demanding trump be very specific and answer to the kamala harris when asked about about her her values changing we and having to articulate the differences of why she was she was for reparations, not for reparations. she said it listed a very long list and she said, i'll get to each of those vehicles and then she didn't get to any of them. >> i would be curious to see the time who had more time because my sense was that donald trump was given more time. i don't know. >> but my point my point is not time. my point is there was not demand. david muir didn't say, well, madam vice president, are you going to answer that question? where he did do that

with trump? he thought there was more aggressive follow-up on the trump questioning, then there isn't that sort of the responsibility of the candidate. >> but david wanted this is supposedly a neutral territory, right and when the moderators have their thumb on the scale, republican voters there's going to watch i think on those, i think it was two very specific questions like yes or no. >> is there anything you regret about january 6? no answer how about this how about this? >> when she was pressed? and i thought this would particularly disgusting for me, which he was pressed on afghanistan she didn't say, yeah, i regret that 13 young men and women died there, and i regret that i did not in the three-and-a-half years as vice president, meet with their families. she didn't she didn't say that it's gotten nobody followed up on that. and that is that is disgusting. >> look, i agree with david that you're going to hear some carping from republicans about this wasn't a debate, it was a trial and there were three prosecutor. i definitely got to hear that. but it is a little hard to complain about the refs when you're not making your own jump shot zaccoli and i'm the

first 15 minutes of this debate. >> he won. the questions were on the economy. he had it right? he had it right on inflation, even on the tariff question, i think you had it right? and then inexplicably on immigration, that's where she derailed him and from that point forward, she basically dictated the flow. now, in the closing statements, when he said you've been there for three-and-a-half years. why haven't you done it? that really should have permeated. that's his best argument. it really should have permeated everything sheet. she peppered all of her answers when i have a plan, i have a plan he should have retorted every time. you've been there, the only thing they worked out in advance like that he had in his mind. >> okay. this is something we're going to say, look, sheet. >> she she did not put a lot of meat on the bones. i agree. she passed the competency test. she did tell some of our own lives and she and she left some things out there, but overall, she dictated the flow. >> i want to go to kaitlan collins in the debate spin room with pennsylvania governor josh shapiro yeah.

>> thanks, anderson. i'm here and it is timely given we are talking with the pennsylvania governor, josh shapiro about how taylor swift just came out and endorsed kamala harris. i know that you are i taylor swift just wanted taylor swift or berks county nato. >> but you're here in philadelphia watching this debate. you were just watching it. what were your main takeaways of how vice president harris did coming into this because the remained quiet big question is, how she would fare on that debate stage you know, kaitlan, i think we spoke a few weeks ago and i expressed to you that i was a little bit worried the american people had a little bit of brain fog about donald trump. >> they didn't remember the chaos when he was in office. i think kamala harris wiped out that brain fog and reminded people of the chaos of donald trump reminded them that he ripped away people's fundamental freedoms, particularly the freedom for millions of women across this is contrary to just make decisions over their own body. she reminded them that here in pennsylvania, he wants to take away health care from one 1.2 million of my fellow pennsylvania's she reminded

him that he really has no plan on the economy, and she reminded him just how reminded people, just how nonsense the goal here is, how divisive he is, how his rhetoric seeks to create others in our society and divide people instead of lifting everybody up. and i thought she made clear she wants to be a president for all americans laid out, her vision, laid out her plans. and i thought she had a great night. >> a lot of it seemed designed to try to get under trump's skin. i mean, she was talking he about his crowd sizes. she was talking about his former officials who are now criticizing him. she brought up january 6 and all of these moments and he did seem to take the bait, even trump advisers were saying that to me, was that the strategy going into this debate for your party look, only come on. >> harris knows what her strategy was on this, but i will tell you he took the bait because he's completely self-centered. he only cares about himself and so instead of just ignoring a comment about crowd sizes, instead focusing on the needs of the crowd, the

needs of the people that he was talking to? he could only focus on himself. he is someone who is so self-absorbed that he can't possibly do a good job for the american people. >> she still been under underwater and latest polling in your home state. i mean, she's been doing a better in michigan and wisconsin than she has in pennsylvania. it's still struggling a bit. what we saw from polling it's that voters wanted to know more about her. they still had questions about her. obviously, donald trump is a pretty well-known quality quantity she obviously made the case against donald trump tonight. do you think she laid out enough of her own plans in detail, for example, on how to end the war. that's happening in gaza. she talked about working around the clock, but, but no specifically on that, i've thought she laid out comprehensive plans both on domestic and international policy and every visit every rally, everything she does going forward, she'll continue to flesh that out. i thought she had a really good night and i thought she laid out what she needed to for the american people. understand this is one piece of the larger effort to

win, not just here in pennsylvania, but in other states as well. and i thought she had a good night as for pennsylvania. look, i understand. it's always close here 2016, it was 44,000 votes that divided the two candidates, 2020 was 80,000 votes, about 20:24 were less. i don't know, but we're no stranger to close elections. the good news is kamala harris understands that to pick up that last yard or to here in pennsylvania is tough, but you got to show up. this is still a retail state and shou xi showing up to places like beaver county this week, she'll be in wilkes-barre. she's going to places that quite frankly often get ignored by national candidates by showing up. she's only able to lay out her plans, but she shows a level of respect to the good people of pennsylvania, governor josh shapiro. >> i want to hand it over to jake, who also has a question for your fellow pennsylvania who knows taylor swift? >> first of all first of all, but that's right, taylor swift actually originally from right near the reading phillies, right?

>> but governor, right. jake, first of all, tampa bay always not hearing. okay. >> go ask him this should say the harris campaign focus should should, the. harris campaign focus more on the independent voters in erie or the republican women in the collar counties around philly if, if they had to choose he believes the harris campaign should focus more on independent women in erie or on moderate women voters. >> and the other surrounding counties was that it jake now on independent voters in the eerie area or republican women here in the collar county where republican women and sure jake, i'll tell you everywhere in pennsylvania matters, particularly if this election is going to come down to just tens of thousands the votes i think you understand that david

urban on your panel certainly understands that there are a whole lot of people in the philadelphia suburbs. if you look at the suburbs as its own entity, it's more than two times the size of the city of philadelphia there's a lot of voters there, a lot of people to talk to and i know that the vice president's can be spending a lot of time in the philadelphia suburbs. also know that going in areas important as well, take that from me. a governor has been there many, many times. i think are soon to be vice president tim walz was in erie just last week. that's critical as well, which got to show up. you got to let folks ask him questions. you got to let your tires get kicked and you've got to show the good people of pennsylvania care about their neighborhoods. and i know kamala harris is going to do that, right? >> governor josh shapiro, thank you for that. jake back to you thank you so much. you know, one of the things that's so interesting about tonight as opposed to the interview you did with vice president harris, was that a week ago? i don't even know what it was ten days ago anyway, you asked her about

the racial comments when donald trump said that you she never identified as black before. i mean, it's nonsense. it's ally, whatever. right. she wouldn't even talk about it tonight. she ran through the litany of donald trump's racist history from being sued by nixon's housing department or department of labor, labor for not renting to black tenants to the central park five to birtherism, et cetera, et cetera. i mean, again, he took the bait every every single time he's literally they're defending the indefensible in terms of his calling for the death penalty for the central park five but my point is, she actually discussed it. i don't think that she was waiting for a bigger audience. 100 million people watching tonight or whatever. i think that she, that trump continues to make inroads with black men and she felt like she probably had to staunch some of the bleeding on that issue i think both can be true i thought her response to my question was, you know, same

old stuff next question. >> she was ready to say something pithy and the back of the hand like the blow off and and move on. but in the back of my mind, i wondered if she was holding her her best stuff for this to be with him on the debate stage. but i think that could be also true that she's making inroads with black man. >> what i thought she said it because he's making his response was he didn't care. he didn't care about the race or he or she can be whatever it is she wants to be, which essentially was not only kind of sending and patronizing, but also demonstrably inaccurate based on the statements that she actually laid out as to his concern for race and gender and beyond. i think that she was waiting to address that particular moment in a way not to choose her audience, but to respond to what he had to say. and i think the idea of her talking about her race and her gender which are both quite

obvious to the american voter. the american people. i think in many ways that isn't attempt for him to try to bait her to suggest that that is trump over her qualifications, her skills, her value ads as a contributing member of the administration as the senator, as an ag and beyond. and i think she's cognizant of the way in which america also views women of color in positions of power. and i think that she was waiting for the opportunity to address a specific claim as opposed to what do you think about race and racism. >> it also felt to me like there were some really key parts of it that she laid down there for trump to pick up and then he just went and pick them up like he defended to your point? he defended his false accusations against the central park five. he literally did not have to do that, but he decided to do it. he also then went down a rabbit hole on charlottesville. i mean, it's useful to the harris campaign to have trump revisit all of the most unpopular parts i've his history and his personality

and his attitude, and his lack of remorse that is a useful thing more so than her defending her own race and racial identity, which honestly if she she barely did. i mean, she did it very briefly and then she just created a scenario in which trump just went down a rabbit hole that was set for him. that was honestly the whole debate in a nutshell, what had happened over and over again on the issue of 2020 and re-litigating that. i talked to a top aide this weekend who said he wants to do it. he knows he shouldn't he's been told that being forward, looking is much better strategy for success, which i took to mean he'll probably do it just rang and how what he did do, what can we talk about taylor swift, but let's talk about this for people. >> it hasn't been mentioned yes, with the governor shapiro. okay. so taylor, give it a more fulsome report. taylor swift on

instagram endorsed the harris-walz ticket she says she's doing it because harris, quote, fight for the rights and causes. i believe need a warrior champion them. i think she is steady handed, gifted leader and i believe we can accomplish something much more in this country for led by collman, not chaos. i was so heartened and impressed by her selection of running mate tim walz, who has been standing up for lgbtq plus rights ivf, and a woman's right to her own body. for decades, she goes on to say, i've done my research, i've made my choice. your research is all yours to do interestingly, she signs it with love and hope. taylor swift childless cat lady, and allusion to senator j.d. vance, donald trump's running mate insulting democrats as childless cat, ladies, and she was holding a cat in that photo, the name of that cat. >> i've been reliably informed as olivia benson well, one of her cats was olivia benson. >> i cannot confirm that the cat she was holding in that picture was is it is is olivia benson, but i i guarantee you

we will we will hear from many, many swifties out there, but let's just talk about what this means. >> what does it mean? what is the significance of a celebrity endorsements? >> it's not just a celebrity and one of the biggest celebrities in the world, the biggest celebrity in the world? >> i'll bet it's not just that she's a celebrity. she has people who are i mean, licks swift, homologous. i mean, there are people who are young people, young women who might not already be engaged in in politics, who read and listen to every single thing that she says and love her and if she makes a difference, even on the margins in a race like this, that is a huge difference. this was, this was the endorsement that the harris campaign they were hoping for. more than anything else. >> no one will ever say no to a taylor swift endorsement. i want 100% agree with that. i think it's significant to all. it is always significant to have the most powerful force in pop culture on your side. the

one contrarian view i will say is that in this moment the thing that harris harris campaign needs perhaps the most, is to figure out how to reach men they've got to figure it out here in pennsylvania. they've got to figure out how to reach black men and i'm not sure taylor swift helps them with that. it's a totally different ballgame that taylor swift is in, but they've got to figure that part out. >> travis kelce on the other chapter maybe you've travis kelce comes around. we'd be having a different conversation, but i think that it's just important to remember that, especially in this commonwealth of pennsylvania that is that that is just it's a give-and-take here where you gain some you lose some and she really needs to start getting a.i. >> don't want to russia. so off the taylor swift dollars, a discussion and but i do want to there was another piece of news which is that the harris campaign put out a release and has challenged donald trump to another debate that had been somewhat in doubt. and they say, we're running for another

debate. let's have it. my guess is after the vice president central debate in october, but they're ready for round two. >> cbs is doing the vice presidential debate. i think nbc is supposed to do the next presidential that he has locked down confirmed but an offer on that expectation well, you know, i just read something before we move on. >> i'm sorry. from from taylor swift. >> oh boy the cat's name is benjamin button okay. okay. well, can i just say one thing that i saw when i talk about taylor swift endorsement, that she is very clearly showing people that reproductive rights is on the ballot very much so. she's talked about in that actual statement about her research, about tim walz, the governor and his work with this particular area. and so for those who think that roe v. wade is invisible ink on the 2024 ballot. it very much is in a sharpie pen and that's why kamala harris is dissection of her references to what voter would want was so important and reproductive rights conversation. >> let's get a fact check. >> now of the debate, cnn

senior reporter, daniel dale was listening mostly to both candidates. >> daniel, what stood out to you, jake, what stood out was that this was a staggeringly dishonest debate performance from former president trump. just lie after lie on subject, after subject by my preliminary count, jake trump made at least 33 false claims, 33 by contrast, by again, a preliminary count, vice president harris made at least one false claim, though she added at least a few misleading claims in a few more that lack key context. i think a lot of americans say, well, all politicians lie no major presidential candidate before donald trump has ever lied with this kind of frequency, a remarkably large chunk of what he said tonight, we're just not true. and this wasn't like little exaggeration, political spin, a lot of his false claims were untethered the reality on abortion saying every democrat wanted roe v. wade overturned, though actually more than 80% of democrats supported roe on crime, saying is through the roof though it's actually sharply down since early 2023, it's now lower than it was since trump left office on health care saying he's the one who saved obamacare, the law he

actually repeatedly tried to overturn on kamala harris south saying that a howard university grad black law students association president had claimed that she wasn't black at one point. frankly, i don't have enough time here to run through each specific trump false claim. i urge people to go to our cnn website or app to read our teams detailed fact checks on this and a whole bunch more for now though, let's dive into one false claim, trump made an egregious claim about migrants. suppose supposedly eating people's pets in springfield. >> they're eating the dogs, the people that came in there eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there this is not only false, i think it's fair to call this odious, this for people who have not been online and less couple of days, this claim about migrants, haitian migrants in springfield, ohio, eating people's pets originated with a facebook post that attributed the claim to a neighbor's friends, daughter. >> so a third hand broken

telephone kind of thing, the city of springfield and the springfield put police say there are no credible reports of this happening, and even j.d. vance, the vice presidential candidate, who himself had promoted these claims, acknowledged this morning that the quote, rumors might turn out false, although he still encouraged people to spread these cat memes. now i'll note that trump himself added dogs so the equation they had not even been part of these viral nonsense rumors before. now, let's look at a one false claim that vice president harris did make about the economic situation that the biden-harris administration was left by trump? >> let's talk about what donald trump left us. donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. and what we have done is clean up donald trump's mess so the biden/harris administration was not actually left the worst unemployment since the great depression. there will lead to 6.4% unemployment rate in january 2021. that was certainly elevated by recent standards, pretty high, but it

was significantly down from the 14.8% a level it reached early in the pandemic. so it was already improving at the time the biden/harris administration took office, and that 6.4% level was the highest since the great recession. so in the last 20 years, not going back decades further, anderson daniel, thanks very much a lot. >> a lot to go through. we appreciate it one of the things on the taylor swift endorsement is interesting in her statement. another thing she mentioned, she said recently i was made aware that a.i. of me falsely endorsing donald trump's presidential run was posted to his site. it really conjured up my fears around a.i. and the dangers spreading misinformation and brought me to a conclusion i need to be very transparent, but my actual plans for this election as a voter. insisting that she's citing donald trump or somebody in the campaign are i don't know where that site was a trump-related. >> it's just another cellphone. i mean, they were really dumb debate her because she was standing on the sidelines. we were hoping she might come out, but they keep doing dumb stuff on this campaign, this stuff around

eating animals and cats is everybody off they just they just pulled taylor swift into the, into the fight this is a very, very disastrous night for donald trump. >> cannot give a quick shout out to j.d. vance, who introduced into the bloodstream childless cat lady. yes. that now the moat, one of the most powerful celebrities the planet is using to endorse against trump and vance. he also was the potential future vice president who tweeted out this lie about immigrants eating pets, which was echoed on a debate stage tonight this guy has been disaster from the outset. i'm biased. i worked for mike pence, but he brought people into the fold. this person runs people out of the fold and he is steering donald trump to his absolute worst instincts, which kamala harris was able to exploit every single time to say he's guilty of a felony i just wanted to know that yet. so daniel dale is doing some fact check and i just want to fact check a little bit here. >> there's not necessarily 100% cross when kamala harris

said that there are men and women serving in war zones in this administration. let's not forget tonight, isn't every night. they're young men and women from america serving in harm's way that may not be an active war zones but there are men and women serving in harm's way all around this globe, protecting all of us here at this table. so let's all keep them in our paris tonight. remember that they may not be in war zones, but there's still in harm's way and their parents and loved ones are very concerned about it. and let's not diminish it anyway. >> i think that debate, i mean, there were so many moments. it took a very strong pivot in a direction towards, sorry. >> versus speaking, let's listen we have to go guys were still the underdogs in this race we have got to pennsylvania when canceled because of, you because of you who is signed up with

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did and tried to create new headlines are maybe journey next store some answers yeah, jake, of course, this was after the cnn debate. there was a rumor trump may come into the spinner and he did not ultimately come in. he is across the room from us now talking to reporters right now about the debate it's a little bit hard to hear him, but we have sitting with us, his running mate, senator j.d vance of ohio, who has also been watching that debate. jake was just talking about what it means when a candidate comes into the spin room after a debate. is that a sign of a good debate or a bad debate in your view, what i think it was president trump. >> it's not a sign of either, frankly, i do think that he had a great debate. >> we get sort of hear the background noise here. >> but look, i think with president trump we had to be talked out of coming to the spin room after the first debate because he really wanted to. and my guess is that he really wanted to come then he really wanted to come now, this time it worked out and look, he loves to talk to reporters because he loves to talk to the american people. and i think that's been a consistent theme of his campaign is going anywhere going into hostile friendly media, talking to people, answering questions and

try to make his case. he's going to keep on doing that wherever the format did tonight go, how you wanted it to go in terms of harris clearly trying to get under his skin, talking about crowd sizes, talking former officials like john kelly and mark esper and others i mean, i heard from some trump advisers who said he took the bait too much. do you believe that they'll look i think what we saw from kamala harris was a lot of platitudes. >> it was the a lot of plans that had no real substance behind them and a real precision behind them. and what is most interesting and it's really a sort of microcosm of this entire race is kamala harris it has a record. donald trump has a record. donald trump is proud of his record and is running to cobble harris is running away from a record and pretending that somehow her term as president is going to be radically different from her term as vice president. but you can actually articulate why. and in fact, to the extent that she articulates it at all, it's by running away from positions that she clearly held just a few years ago or even a few weeks ago. >> so why didn't trump push her more on that? because that is what we hear from you every

day on the campaign trail is talking about her reversals. he did not really talk about why haven't you done what you're saying you'll do until his closing? statement, do you think he should have done that sooner? >> i think he did. i mean, he did it in the closing statement. he also really hammered her, honor inconsistencies, right. this is a person who said she wanted to ban fracking. now she says she doesn't she wanted to defund the police. now she said she doesn't she wanted to secure border. i felt that he really did actually on three issues in particular, i think he was very focused on hammering kamala harris is inconsistencies with her record. what she says now versus what she said even a few weeks ago in some cases, it was on the border. it's on fracking and it's on defund the police. that was clearly what he's most focused on. and i think it's not surprising because those are three of the issues that the american people care the most about. i mean, look, this is a person who was to the far left of her own party. and now is trying to pretend that she's effectively donald trump, my favorite line of the night is what he said. she's going to don a maga cap and pretend that she agrees with me on everything. i think the american people are too smart to be fooled by kamala chameleon acting too be

somebody that she's clearly not. >> she kind of smirked when he said that he was going to send her one on abortion note, trump was asked if he would veto a national abortion ban. you have said ed, that he would he said that the two of you have not talked about that that you weren't talking for him. have the two of you not talked about that? >> we haven't talked about a veto, but it's clear that donald trump doesn't believe in a national abortion ban and he said that his policy is to let the states decide majority of abortion policy in this country. and so i think that really it's a difference of semantics. he thinks is absurd to even talk about vetoing a piece of leg just that has no chance of being brought. i think that's a totally reasonable point, but again the main substantive issue is donald trump believes that abortion should be a state policy and kamala harris fundamentally thinks that abortion should be funded by taxpayers right up to the moment of birth. and it was interesting that the abc fact checkers of the moderators who frankly were just helping kamala harris bade that they said that no state supports abortion up to the moment of birth. her own running mate has

supported legislation that would remove the requirement that doctors provide life-saving care to babies who survived box abortion. so i think his point is that's the real radicals on this issue. and whatever cover the moderators provided, the truth is the truth and their records pretty out there. >> this question specifically, chunk could have said yes, he would veto a national abortion why did he not take the opportunity to do so when you know how important abortion is to so many voters will, because i think he believes it's an absurd hypothetical, which of course it is? no national abortion ban is coming before the united states senate or the united states congress. if it did, it would maybe get 10% of those bodies to vote for that he wouldn't veto it. why didn't you so what i said explicitly as the donald trump doesn't believe in a national abortion ban he doesn't. >> and the question of how far he would go is to me, like a semantic thing that doesn't actually make sense. it's an absurd opposition. it's never going to happen. and i think what president trump is saying

is, i don't like to deal in these absurd hypotheticals. it's not going to happen. and he's been clear that he doesn't support it. >> well, i think there are maybe some women voters who what like for him, would have liked for him to answer that question. the other thing that he brought up, which i was kind of surprised by, i guess i would say is he brought up this misleading, false claim that you yourself have talked about in recent days about haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio abducting people's pets and eating them, which officials there have said is not true. you yourself acknowledged it may be false on twitter, you still told people to keep spreading it. but trump just amplified it. tens of millions of people who were watching why push something that's not true? >> well, first of all, city officials have not said it's not true. they've said they don't have all the evidence. >> no evidence. >> we've heard from a number of constituents on the ground. caitlin hu both firsthand and secondhand reports saying this stuff is happening, so they very clearly meaning the people on the ground dealing with this, think that it is happening. and i think that it's important for journalists

to actually get on the ground and uncover this stuff for themselves. when you have a lot of people we'll saying my pets are being abducted or geese at the city pond are being abducted and slaughtered right in front of us. this is crazy stuff. and again, whether those exact room murderers turn out to be mostly true, somewhat true. whatever the case may be kaitlan, this town has been ravaged by 20,000 migrants coming in. health care costs are up housing costs are up. communicable diseases like hiv and tb have skyrocketed in this small ohio town. this is what kamala harris's border policies have done. and i think it's interesting kaitlan, that the media didn't care about the carnage judge wrought by these policies until we turned it into a meme about cats. and that speaks to the media as failure to care about what's going on in these communities. if we have to meme about it to get the media to care, we're going to keep on doing it because the media could shake, should care about what's going on i saw you say, i think the media does care about it. i just read a very lengthy report

in the new york times on it. pbs newshour did it at a whole story about it and bring it up. nobody cared about this until we raised this issue about senator, you talked about that your office has gotten a lot of reports i mean, if someone calls your office and says they saw bigfoot, that doesn't mean they saw bigfoot. why? i mean, you have since her responsibility as a running mate and he certainly does as the candidate to not promote false information, right? >> kaitlan, it's a totally fair point, but nobody is calling my office in saying that they saw bigfoot, what they're calling and saying is we are seeing migrants kidnap, our dogs and cats and city officials aren't doing anything about it. now, again, i have a responsibility as united states senator. i think the media has a responsibility as an institution that cares about truth to actually take people seriously when they say their lives have been ruined by this migrant crisis. and again, if every single thing that the media says about this story is it's false. the verifiable facts are that this community has had their lives destroyed by 20,000 migrants coming in

and uprooting life. >> again, official said no credible evidence of the claim, but senator j.d. vance, thank you for joining us. hey, reaction jake, back to you thanks so much interesting comment. >> i mean, looking at a new york times story from eight days ago about the immigration crisis in springfield and the problems created they're saying we have to make up nonsense that isn't true. so that the media covers things that the media is already covering is an odd defense, but i digress chris. >> well, charles krauthammer, the light great conservative columnist, talking about people like j.d. vance in this particular case when they're trying to defend the indefensible said, whatever they're paying them, it's not enough and the fact is that he sat there and tried to contort themselves into saying that one, trump had a great debate. he didn't. and two, to defend something that has been almost totally discredited. and, you also, i have to take personal offense at the idea that he

says that the media hasn't cared about immigrant crime there have been all kinds of stories and all kinds of coverage of immigrant crime and every state is a border state. it was a big issue in the republican convention. we covered those speeches. it was very effecting to make up stories now about pets and to sit there are national television and defendant, as krauthammer would say, whatever they're paying them, it's not enough. >> can we just cut through to what it is? it's not about the media not reporting on immigration this is something that is racist. >> this is a racist meme. the reason why we are covering the memes isn't because we're covering the underlying allegation about immigration. what we are covering are are republic officials lying lying but lying, also suggesting that people of color are eating your pets that's that's racism

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erie county erie, pennsylvania, were sitting currently at mercyhurst university, been wonderful hosts for us. >> the reason why we're here for hundred miles away from the debate is erie county is the swingiest county in the most important swing state of this campaign. there's no question about it when obama in 2012, when trump in 2016, when biden in 2020, the last two cycles, just about 1,500 votes each separated the two candidates. so we wanted to ask voters who have not made a firm decision yet, who they they want to vote for, what they actually saw in this debate. now, these are voters that have in the past supported republicans and democrats. they have in the past shown support for former president trump or for joe biden. but coming into this night, they told us that they had not made up their minds yet in this election. so just to step back a little bit show our focus it's group to people, eerie residents. again, most important state, most important county in that state, we ask for show of hands before the debate. who hadn't made up their mind yet, but thought this debate may determine where they would go with their vote

to start with this debate. who do you think won by show of hands former president trump to, i'll give it four, but a tentative two over there. what about vice president harris? more hands for those of you who thought this debate could be determinative. how many of you have made up your minds based on what you saw tonight onstage in philadelphia, raise your hands all right. i want to ask you why what did you see that brought you to a conclusion? >> i think it's important to remember that we are voting for the leader of our country and not who you like the most, or who we want her wedding party but who is actually going to make our country better and we're in an incredibly unique situation where we've had both of the candidates in office before and we've gotten to see see what they do. and when facts come to facts, my life

was better when trump was in office, the economy was higher, inflation was lower. things were better overall. and now with kamala's administration, things haven't been so fantastic. and she's saying she can fix the problems that her administration has caused, but i just don't know if i can afford to take that risk. >> were you leaning towards the former president coming into the night probably and did you reform in 2016 or 2020? >> i did so decision made there what did you think as to who i would vote for in the selection i strongly felt kamala was more optimistic more respectful i thought she had plans that she tried to describe in the minutes worth of time that she had. >> i mean, they really were limited with their time. so i

don't know i just felt more strongly for her as opposed to her opponent. >> i want to talk about some of the moments the debates, because as we told you guys before the debate, each of these individuals had a dial and if they turn the dial to the right than they felt positive about what they were hearing in that moment if they turned it to the left left they felt less so they felt negative about what they were hearing. we could track that throughout the debate. we're going to show uple omoments where you saw the biggest movement towards positive direction for both of those candidates, you will see the lines at the bottom of the screen and you will see that movement as the sound we play. you plays out we're going to start with this because they are radical. the democrats are radical in that and her vice presidential pick, which i think it was a horrible picked by the way for our country because he is really out of it. but her vice presidential pick says, abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. he also says execution after birth, its

execution no longer abortion because the baby is born is okay. and that's not okay with me. hence, the vote, trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means. >> a survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next, that is immoral one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree, the government and donald trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body that sound obviously that moment was a critical moment not just for the debate on one of the critical issues of this campaign on the issue of reproductive rights and abortion. >> but there's also one that guard significant reaction from our focus group. i want to ask about right now for those of you who responded positively to vice president harris versus answer, tell me why yeah.

>> please i responded positively to her answer because i do struggle with the abortion issue and i don't know that she and i agree, but i don't know that like she said that the government should be in charge of people's decisions. >> and i think that there would you was talking about situations of rape and incest. i think that those happened more than we think that they do. and i just i don't know. i just felt her impassioned response and that she would carry it out and that resonated with you in the moment yes, it did who else had a positive response? go ahead, please i felt like it was her most genuine and passionate that i saw are pretty much throughout it i didn't necessarily agree

with what she was saying, but my favorable reactions where because it was nice to see the passion and believability that she stands behind and then have something gauge more of what she says on since she hasn't spoken a lot solidly about a lot of issues. i think what's been interesting, again, following how you guys were tracking the debate, which is a fascinating experience. and i should know what would he in this room has been listening to the postgame coverage. nobody in this room has been listening to the analysis we've actually all been talking amongst ourselves it's been a really great conversation. there was another critical moment, and this was donald trump's best moment based on your guys responses. and it was when he was discussing afghanistan, listen getting out, we would have been out faster than that, but we wouldn't have lost soldiers. we wouldn't have left many americans behind, and we wouldn't have left. we wouldn't have left $85 billion worth of brand-new, beautiful military equipment behind and just to finish, they blew it

the agreement said you have to do this, this this this, this, and they didn't do it. they didn't do it. the agreement was was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do that was the former president talking about the afghanistan withdrawal were 13 u.s. >> service members were killed in that chaotic process. you're a veteran yes. >> there obviously personal feelings here as well. that answer and it's been an issue that he talks about constantly on the campaign what stood out to you for it? >> when i first heard that we were abandoning or we're withdrawing from afghanistan and the way it was happening, i had my kennedy moment. it was very similar to when we decided to invade iraq back under president bush when i saw that we're relieving that amount of high tech equipment in the hands of our enemy and later that day or later that week, i saw on the news we're them celebrating with our guns in

their hands. i realized what a travesty that was a in the loss of money in that lead abandoned when we left. plus the very bullets that we left there, they were shooting at us as we flew away into planes we have a lot more to get to with this group were going to get to them in a moment. we're going to keep talking here, but in the meantime, anderson, i want to toss back to you. >> alright, phil, thanks so much, but it's going to read from americans nationwide on which candidate won tonight, the first results for our exclusive instant whole debate watchers. that's coming plus kaitlan collins just caught up with donald trump or special coverage continues after a break i need a vehicle mad max saga now streaming exclusively on max. i'm jenny, i'm days. and we're we've asked national design and remodeling partners yeah i mean, look out for

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exchanges. harris often forcing trump on the defensive. he took the bait every time as they sparred over some of the biggest issues in this election, including image gracian, and abortion and the economy what the wharton school has said is donald trump's plan would actually explode the deficit 16 nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation. >> and by the middle of next year would invite a recession. you just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues and i'd invite you to know that donald trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself, then he isn't looking out for you it's just a assume they gave her that to say, look, i went to the wharton school of finance and many of those professors, the top professors, think by plan is a brilliant plan. >> it's a great plan as the

debate continued, vice president harris for repeatedly appeared to get under former president trump's skin as she tried to knock him off. >> message, even mocking something quite close to trump's hard his campaign rallies and the size of them i'm going to actually do something really unusual and i'm going to invite you to attend one of donald trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch. you will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like hannibal lecter he will talk about windmills cause cancer. and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. and i will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you you will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your knee, and your desires. >> she said, people started leaving, people so don't go to her rallies has no reason to go. and the people that do go, she's busing them in and paying them to be there. and then showing them in a different light. so she can't

talk about that. people don't leave my rallies. we have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics that just because people want to take their country back then i kept by some breaking news welcomed by the harris-walz campaign, taylor swift formally endorsing harris and walz for president and vice president. the first results of our instant poll of debate watchers have just come in and david chalian is going to join us now break it all down. david, tell us more yeah, jake and as you noted, this is a poll of debate watchers. >> this is not a poll that represents the overall population, although in partisan breakdown, it is pretty close to what the overall registered voter population looks like in the country. but if e is a poll of those people that watched the debate. so just keep that in mind as we get to these results, our first results here in our exclusive flash poll, who won the debate, the overall

number here overwhelmingly kamala harris did i'm going to look at my email here, 63%. you see there on your screen say kamala harris won the debate, only 37% say donald trump won the debate and that is quite different than the expectations going into this, among this group of debate watchers in this poll, we asked folks going into the debate, who do you expect to win the debate while it was 50, 50, 50% expected harris, 50% expected trump to win the debate that was before the debate. and we just showed you where it ended up afterwards. 63% to 37%. and take a look at this jake this is a complete reversal from what we saw in june compared these numbers to biden in in june. you see that it was 67% to 33% two thirds thinking trump won only a third thinking biden won a complete reversal in just a few months as this

race has completely changed so too has the assessment of debate watchers about the democrat and republican debate performances. this 2024 presidential election, j all right. >> david chalian and while no doubt, this debate will not be quite as consequential as the last one it does seem as though dana bash that the at least according to the instant polls of debate watchers, people think the kamala harris resoundingly won and defied expectations based on what people thought beforehand and afterwards as as david was saying, we have to be careful with instant polls. >> and what is really going to matter is how this sinks in and ripples through the pool. >> very small but important pool of undecided voters but i think the only thing that you need to know about how donald trump realizes that this went was to see his behavior and.

performance. the fact that he came into the spin room and he was not very happy and citing a bunch of numbers of polls that he said he won no clue where those numbers came from. and he was asked about it at the spin room and didn't give an answer. but i also think harris there were some risks here for her tonight, and she had a lot of work to do and i'm thinking about earlier when we were talking and i was struck recently in the last couple of weeks, just watching trump in his normal campaign world on the stump in interviews. and he is progressively slowing down. he is progressively not able to really even make his own normal cases that he would make about all sorts of issues that was on display tonight. i mean, she she was really helped by trump, just not really being able to

take it to her on virtually anything and in a way, her biggest weakness might have been that when you give her something that she's not prepared appeared for, she may or may not be able to address it, but trump never did that. he only gave her things that it would be very obvious that he would say on the debate stage. and i think that's one of the main reasons that she was able to just kind of quite impressively actually take a lot of preparation and just spit it right out on that debate stage. almost exactly probably the way her advisers wanted her to. and trump just wasn't nimble enough to even respond to that you know dove into his little pit of grievance and he's aging and it shows it's showing on the debate stage, it's showing on the campaign one of the things that presidential debates have done over the years is that at times when people have had doubts about a candidate, usually the challenger in this

race that argue they're both incumbents are both challengers. >> and it has erased the stature gap in 1960, nixon was the vice president that criticism of john kennedy was that he was too young to callow to an experienced after that first debate that went away because people thought at the very least, that kennedy showed that he stood up and was nixon's equal and perhaps is superior, 1980, jimmy carter are a lot of concern it was ronald reagan too big a risk? and after that debate, people were reassured they didn't, they didn't like carter particularly in they were reared should we can take this jump into what raygun in the new york times was poll over the weekend, three times as many people said, they needed to know more about kamala harris than said that about donald trump. and i got to thank for a lot of that 28% of americans that they were reassured by what they saw

tonight. so i think that is it gives permission to support or for people that have doubts. >> well, there's two things i noticed. one was the word that senator j.d. vance use the word platitudes we talked to kaitlan collins about how he describes the ability of vice president harris to articulate her platforms. >> it's what is demanded of the incumbent versus what was actually provided by a former incumbent. >> she is back in to talk and very granular detail trump had very many bald assertions, and yet he believes that he was successful in that endeavor nonetheless. the other issue is as important idea of managing expectations she has described herself from the very get-go since she's actually taking the top of the ticket as the underdog. in part because democrats do not want a performance like this to have people believing there's no reason to lean in, they can lean out. everything's in the bag. they know there is still the uphill battle of trying to overcome a number of factors, i think in many ways, these are in play her polls show you that even though this was a

successful endeavor, i think arguably objectively for the vice president. she's still has to overcome this. i can't tell what the language encoding it is to have her define herself still, no question that winning a debate is not the same thing is winning no election. and there are still many days to go many miles to travel. let's go now to kaitlan collins, caitlyn, you just caught up with former president trump. not generally seen as a baller move for a debater to then go to the spin room afterwards, what did he have to say? >> yeah, jake, he was in here. he was speaking to reporters. we grabbed him just for a quick pull-aside to get his reaction to how he personally thought the debate went first question i asked him was something that i have been hearing from people inside trump's orbit about him taking the bait when harris was clearly trying to get under his skin. a strategy we knew she was gone going to employ on the debate stage. here's what donald trump told me about that

advisers are worried that excuse me, that you took the bait from kamala harris tonight. what would you say debate tonight? this was my best debate. >> we had a 92% rating in one poll. we had an 86% rating and another we had 77% in another, we had, we want every one of the polls that came out tonight, that there were quite a few of them are asked if he would veto a national abortion ban and you did not say yes or no, what is your answer to that? >> you have do to check it was a perfect dancer, an abortion, and i've done a great job in that and i brought our country together. thank you. >> yes or no will you debate that was for, president donald trump earlier as he was exiting the spin room, joining me now south carolina senator tim scott, a surrogate of the former president's. you heard donald trump there talking about the debate. would you say that donald trump won this debate? >> you get a very strong performance, no doubt, i've thought the two moderators were absolutely bias and two things that you walk away with. number one, we know who donald trump is, four years of donald trump, we had very low unemployment.

we saw 7 million jobs created two thirds going to minorities and two women. we saw hbcu funny hitting a record level and made the funding permanent, re frankly, it's all research on sickle cell anemia, accelerated. what we didn't see in this debate was who is kamala harris, we've seen her change her position time and time again, and tonight, we have no clarity on our positions. she's down for a fracking when she was against it. she now wants a border the wall was he was against it the border or herself certainly did not go to the border for three plus years. she said three years to tell the american people who she is. and we still don't know who she is. where does she stand on the number one issue? the american people care about the economy, inflation, the cost of living. we don't know. >> well, does it bother you that donald trump won't say where he stands on a really important issue, which is a fraction. >> and actually he's been very

clear on the issue of abortion. >> yes or no tonight. >> well, here's what he said. it is a state's issue. the american people are solving that problem state-by-state-by- state exactly where the echo chambers around the country, one of the issue, but we did not hear was kamala harris answer the question that she support abortions in the third trimester, the seventh, eighth, and ninth month. she refused to answer that question. we have one candidates who is absolutely crystal clear that the voters in the states will make the decision. roe v. wade is gone. and one candidate who would not say i refused to have late-term abortions. >> well, she didn't say where she believed the restrictions should be wondering if there will be weighed, which will allow for abortion up until the day of birth. >> and he did not say which of course, you know? that is rare and doesn't really happen. but he would not say about vetoing a ban. but the pole, the debate overall and how it went, cnn conducted an instant poll 63%

of people said they thought harris juan, 37% side that they thought trump won. going into this. i know it was a conversation about focusing on policy versus the personal. he got into the conversation again about harris's race and saying that he read that moderators but will that effectively i'm a black man. i think it's salting to have a conversation about who i am or who, who he is, or who she is that it's been solved by the parents who earth or so from my perspective, what we should do it's what the american people want us to do. about them and their issue, their future. their challenges that they face today in the hopes that they have for their kids tomorrow, as we focus on those issues. the american voters will have clarity on which candidate they want leading us for four years. >> do you think donald trump did enough of focusing on the issues and not the personal tonight? >> because i think he did a really good job focusing on the primary issues that the american people care about starting with two, number one,

the economy and ever to the border without any question, we've seen the greatest, the largest invasion of illegal immigrants crossing our southern border. in my lifetime. and then the history of the country from what i understand we also know that 70,000 americans have died of fentanyl because of ports of entry and our southern border and never three, when you have hundreds of thousands of people coming from countries that are adversary adversarial to america. we should assume we have sleeper cells in our country. those are the issues the american people are talking about. the economy. >> and you're obviously a senator on capitol hill. you were there when donald trump was in office the last time, and he wanted to repeal and replace the affordable care act. he was asking again about that tonight. if he has a plan now to replace the affordable care act, he said, i have the concepts of a plan. do you know what that looks like? >> for we've heard and. what we know for certain, a great certainty is that competition across state lines actually

reduces a price, allowing for small businesses they gather together and have association jim plans. we've seen that already worked throughout the country that reduces your race by about 30%. so what we already understand is that the framework that's been developing for a number of years that we haven't had a chance to implement would reduce the cost of health insurance. and create greater access. what we know about obamacare is this incredibly expensive, even with federal subsidies. so we still have a number of americans high percentage of americans who are still on file a bomb maker unaffordable because it is always seen those subsidies be expanded. senator tim scott. thank you very much for joining us. yes, ma'am. thank you. >> jake. obviously, a very busy evening here in the spin room tonight next we're going to get more reaction from our focus group of voters from here in pennsylvania. we're digging into the moments that stood out to them from tonight's debate, plus additional results from our instant poll. much more ahead, stay with us straight

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issues, mutual physicians, mutual laura coates live tonight at 11 eastern on cnn the harris trump presidential debate in philadelphia is now history and americans digesting what they heard and whether it's going to impact how they vote want to get some more results from our post-debate instant polls are political director david chalian is back with us, david what else are you learning yeah, anderson, this is a poll of debate watchers, not of the country overall or the electorate. obviously. but it's not that partisanly in a partisan way different than what we see broadly about registered voters. this is really interesting among the candidates, favorable and unfavorable ratings. take a

look here at what we found before the debate. harris, his favorable rating was 39%. after the debate. among these debate watchers, her favorability rating went up six points to 45%. donald trump actually ticked down two points among these debate watchers from 41% favorable to 39 percent favorable. that's about roughly the same. that's not a 2% ticked down there is huge, but i do want to note, kamala harris is uptick driven a lot by independent voters. she was minus -17 more unfavorable than favorable among these debate watchers going into the debate and independent debate watchers they were plus nine for her favorability coming out of the debate. so a big movement change on her favorability with independents take a look at when we asked debate watchers about the confidence in the candidates to lead the country, the ability to lead the country and the competence that debate watchers having that this is really interesting because even

though she was the clear winner in the debate among debate watchers, take a look, 32% say a lot of confidence in her, in her ability to lead the country. >> and 36% say that about him she's a little bit better among those who say some confidence in the ability to leave the country. >> if you add the allotment some together, they're both at 54% and so they're quite even on this score, which i think is pretty interesting. and then who had a better plan for solving the country's problems? harris one on this score among these debate watchers as well, 42% say kamala harris had a better plan for solving the country's problem. that's compared to 33% who said trump. and look anderson, 22% one in five of debate watchers has neither of these two had a good plan for solving the country's problem. that not necessarily double-haters here obviously, but that seems to be a target audience for both of these candidates to talk to and explain their plans to over the next eight weeks very

interesting. >> david chalian, thanks so much. john king what do you make of those numbers? >> never wanted to tell us you. we entered that debate in a very close competitive race and we'll leave debate in a very close competitive race. however, however, advantage harris on a couple of very significant points, david chalian, noting that where she jumped up was among independent voters we knew coming into this debate that the largest audience of people, the largest percentage of people who said they were open to changing their mind, where people who self-identify as independents or as moderates. the middle of the american electorate, the people who live in the suburbs, the people who maybe voted for trump in 2016 and biden in 2020 are incredibly partisan they're looking for solutions, looking for pragmatism. so the fact that her movement was among independents who had the better debate about solving the country's problems. she came into the debate at a deficit with trump on the economy. so different question. that question was solving the country's problems. but it shows she made progress with people. are you a president? that was her biggest challenge? nobody knows the vice president whether it's mike pence or whether it's dan quayle, or whether it's al gore you know what you're trying to rise

from vice or whether it's joe biden, you're trying to rise from president to vice president. you have to prove i'm ready for the first job. it is clear. it is clear that she cleared that bar tonight. now, that does not mean that she's not still in a very competitive race. but if for progress tonight was among independents. now the question is, can you carry that momentum forward? we count votes eight weeks from tonight still close, still competitive. but in an election that we all expect is going to be decided on the margins tonight. anyway, the question is, can she hold it? she moved the margins that matter, you know that one that one graph of capability to lead the country effect that they're basically dead even, think about where we were seven weeks ago. >> would you have predicted that seven weeks later that kamala harris and donald trump would be polling evenly. donald trump, a former president whatever you think about them, there is a presumption that goes with the fact that you were president, that you know, the job and so on i do think

that she filled that she checked that box tonight. she looked like a president on that stage. there's not a lot of elasticity in this electorate, so i wouldn't expect huge which movements here. but this isn't going to be erased that's one that way it's going to be one incrementally. she took an incremental step for its tom a little bit surprised by that, by those numbers because this is as good as it's going to get for kamala harris, presumably mean this is this was donald trump's presumed worst nightmare that you could have if you're a trump supporter, you watch this night, you say you didn't talk about any of those kitchen table issues like alyssa was talking about, right? it was grievances, it was rearview mirror, not windshield. that was all the bad stuff. and yet he is still tied, right? we're still right there is still neck and neck and it's going to come down again to the people in erie county, north hampton county, mccomb county, michigan the question is, are 50,000 people swayed and michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, where they swayed tonight at it can

be swayed the next eight weeks because that's that's the word that she was 52 75,000. and did those eat away as john pointed out, are those independents those swayed enough to come over and stay there? >> maybe, maybe not, but his iceberg is melting. i'll tell you that she did well by herself. you're right. it's going to be calling for is going to be calling for it. but he did a lot of stuff that was we haven't gotten to this just a horrible that he would and say that he wanted ukraine to win. do you think about that? this is a very easy thing to say that you want a democracy that we rally the world behind the frankly people in pennsylvania, munitions being made there are going to help gas that's being frack. there is going to help. he wouldn't even stick up for the ukrainians in pennsylvania when pennsylvanians are helping us win there, this heated terribly, you can make it a more clearly absolutely stated. i would not sign an abortion bill if it came across my desk, he got into the nitty-gritty about nazis. >> an abortion. let's actually play it a, what, what, what

both of the candidates said on the topic one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree, the government and donald trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. >> i have talked with women around our country. you want to talk about this is what people wanted pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because they health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot. she didn't mark that. her husband didn't want that a 12 or 13 survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term. they don't want that what i did is something for 52 years, they've been trying to get roe v wade into the states and through the genius and heart

and strength of six supreme court justices we were able to do that now, i believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, i believe strongly in ronald reagan did also 85% of republicans do exceptions very important. but we were able to get it and now states are voting on it. it's the vote of the people now it's not tied up in the federal government i did a great service in doing it. it took courage to do it. and the supreme court had great courage in doing it. and i give tremendous credit to those six justices i thought that was probably one of her best responses. >> and the debate and what donald trump did that we didn't play. >> there is in that response, he threw people people under the bus through his vice presidential candidate, jd vance, saying we didn't talk about whether or not he would veto a national abortion ban you through kansas and ohio under the bus. he said, those were liberal votes last i

checked ohio, my home state in kansas are pretty red, but that the american public are not actually where donald trump republican party wants to go on abortion. but what i think she also did was in this debate on abortion on many issues, was, you know, i'm the coalitions person. she talked to different parts of her coalition. we know women are going to be critical. this is the first presidential since the fall of roe. we actually don't know if it's going to carry over. i think it will still be the top of the ticket issue, but donald trump talks about beijing went to a sorority party. let me tell you. as a person who was a part of a black sorority that was offensive to black people who know the history. it's not a party as a public service organization. so she didn't go there and talk about it, but she talked about central park five when he baited her there. she talked about dick cheney. i know we probably all we're watching dick cheney. liz cheney indoors because we follow this every single day. but some people probably didn't know he indoors. that speaks to those republicans in

erie, pennsylvania that you still talk to and then the independence showing again, yet he can't be a mature adult and not scream when he gets upset about crowd crowd-size. >> i just want to go back to kaitlan collins. she's with democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut, kaitlan yeah. >> anderson. thank you so much. we have senator murphy here. we were obviously talking about the debate and how everyone thought it went. obviously it is clear. vice president harris was able to get under donald trump's skin. she clearly was trying to do so by talking about his his crowd sizes and whatnot. but the polling we've seen chose that a lot of undecided voters want to know more about per and her policies. >> do you think she did enough to stake out ground on that for voters tonight? i do. and i think she did that in two ways. first, she did talk about these specific policies whether it's her plan to invest in building more housing, whether it's her work to try to increase tax credits for families with children. she obviously endorses the supports, the bipartisan border bill, which would do a lot to fix the problems at the southern

border. >> but i also think there's probably a lot of voters that you're just hadn't seen kamala harris in a setting where she could look commanding, where she could appear as a president. >> and that's what she looked like tonight. she was presidential, she was commanding she was in charge of that stage, so i think voters do want to hear more from her on policy specifics, and i thought she did a good job of articulating how she's going to invest in the middle-class, grow the economy from the middle out. but i just thought you it looked like a president and donald trump kind of looked like a puddle by the end of that debate, there was only one president on that stage and it was kamala harris and that probably answers some of the most important questions that voters have. don't know where that well, there was a moment where donald trump was talking on his assassination attempt, on his life. i want everyone just listen to that moment, obviously so there was over almost two hours of debate. i just want to read to listen to what donald trump had to say this is the one that weaponized, not me. >> she weaponized. i probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. they talk about

democracy. i'm a threat to democracy. there. the threat to democracy was a fake russia, russia, russia investigation. >> we do know that. >> moment are the middle where he said, i probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that people in your party have said about him, what's your response to that? >> i think it's the deeply reckless, irresponsible thing to say. that answer was in the context of a litany of crimes that he he had committed crimes that he believes he didn't commit, that he's being pursued for because political political agenda of the president the reality is, is that it's been donald trump from the very beginning of his presidency that has celebrated in instigated violence in this country leading to the disastrous assault on the capitol. so i think the issue of violence and who instigates

violence will likely be a big issue in this it's campaign, but it has been donald trump consistently, who is celebrated violence, whose endorsed violence, and who continues even to this debate to apologize for those that attacked the capitol resulting in the death and injury of dozens of law enforcement officers. >> senator chris murphy. thank you for joining us in the spin room where everyone comes to hype their candidate aides it is obviously getting a little bit quieter in her. and i said no. >> all right. kayla, thanks. going to take a quick break coming up. we're going to hear more from our focus group of voters in pennsylvania including what they thought of that moment, the foreign president accused migrants of eating pets will be back saturday syscall seen is taking a break from breaking news to air. >> have i got news for you? >> breaking news. i'm getting a sandwich. >> we need to talk about what constitutes breaking news. her provide guards news for you from there saturday at nine on cnn and streaming next stay on max. a heart attack.

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philadelphia getting reaction to the harris trump presidential debate, according to our exclusive instant poll of debate watchers, most viewers believed that it was a win for vice president harris. now let's hear again from voters in erie, pennsylvania tucked in the northwestern corner of this beautiful commonwealth. cnn's phil mattingly is with our focus group in eerie phil yeah, it's a bellwether county jake that every election water will be paying attention too on election night. it's why we wanted to talk to the people behind us who came into this night, undecided, maybe leaning one way or the other, but not officially knowing where they were going to vote. their reactions to the debate itself tracked with what we saw from the instant poll, nine out of the 13 said they thought the vice president won the debate we've been actually tracking their reaction from inside the debate. we had dials that we're showing whether it felt positive or negative. we're going to show you a piece of sound right now from a particular moment that drew a

very specific reaction. now, where are you? see red lines? that's a republican reaction where you see blue lines that's from a democratic reaction. it purple line is independent. you'll see him on the bottom of your screen and it's a moment that a lot of people are talking about. watch in springfield. >> they're eating the dogs, the people that came in there eating the katz, they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there. and this is what's happening in our country. and it's a shame as far as rallies are concerned as far as the reason they go as they like what i say and the reason why we picked that sound out to ask our group about as wanted definitely elicited a significant reaction, as you could see in the lines below, as you were watching that. >> but also, i received a number of questions from family members and friends asked him what this was actually all about, which was also a response that you had when you were watching it, correct?

>> correct. i had not heard anything about it before, so i thought it was just another one of these kind of crazy things that comes up with that kind of turn me off. i would say when we were talking about it beforehand, you mentioned that it also kind of had undertones to what really bothers me about it is what underneath message i get from that as a pastor, i hear kind of the dismissing the other keeping other away giving bad impressions about other people. >> and i just i don't buy that you know, jake, what's been interesting talking to this group is again a number of them decided after watching the debate, where they wanted to go some to the former president, some for the vice president, but also there's still a number of them that are undecided and i want to go to another pastor on that wray. >> you mentioned when we were talking you have not made up your mind yet. what are you going to be looking for in the next 50 plus days and their decision making, there policies they have both had some negative and positive response

but i need more. >> and so on. my part only thing i can do is just pray and has got to give me what's that he would like to be in office and that's what i will go with. >> yeah you as well a man and clarity was one of the things that you know, we have mentioned that we wanted that we were looking for in this debate. >> we just didn't see that. we didn't find out. so we're looking for more information, more facts, things like that to help us decide from those of you that are here with the time we have left. >> who believes that those types of answers will be coming? >> you need to see a second debate. >> what would you like to? >> we've talked to you had some really great points about the lack of education policy in this debate itself. what do you think needs to happen? to get answers i think we need to hear more interviews. >> i think debates just don't cut it. there's not enough time for people to really get into the specifics of what they can

and can't do. and there's no time to be fact checking at the same time. i mean, you got are dials are reactions to things, but we don't actually know what's true and what's not without having the time to actually fact check things. i think getting to see interviews and having journalists fact check them on the spot or, be able to follow up with questions where we can actually understand what's going on unlike that's what i need. that's what i need to know. i just want to know where they actually stand on things and not just here pretty sound clips and want a second debate i do want a second debate, but what i would be interested in seeing in a debate is if he can focus on one or two questions, don't put in a ton of questions how one or two. and just have them stick to those so they can actually lay out what they would do because there's just not enough time with ten questions that are asked. >> and i think we also and i

haven't asked them this but have a firm commitment that they will all be coming back to stay very late into the night if we have a second debate, so right. >> yeah. good now, this was great, very substantive, consequential conversations going on. >> one that i'm sure will continue for the days and months ahead back to you guys. >> thanks, so much, phil, really appreciated. and let me resume with my panel here because abby phillip, these voters, a lot of these voters are calling for exactly what you've discerned. some of the democratic politicians in interviews were saying which is kamala harris needs to talk more about the plans that she has for people and however well she did tonight yeah. >> listen carefully to people who support vice president harris, who are her allies just tonight after before, after the debate, they're all saying the same thing. she needs to be out there more. she needs to resolve a lingering questions that some voters have that

voters in that focus group pad. and this idea that the campaign had that i've talked to a lot of their advisors about that she doesn't really need whatever the mains stream media. this isn't about the mainstream media, right? this is about how do you best reach people who are searching for answers. and that last woman that we heard from in the focus group, i think that's an important perspective that gets lost when there's a lot of spin about we're just going to go straight to the voters. a lot of regular people understand that there's a role that is played when a candidate sits in front of somebody who asked some questions and follows up to make sure that they have a clear understanding of what's going on and that hasn't happened. she sat down with dana, but more needs to be done and i think you're starting and to hear a lot of democrats started to say, okay, now is the time for weeks or eight weeks left, and the polls are showing very clearly that voters want to know more about her. and there's an opportunity there jake, i i think that the cnn instant poll

speaks exactly to this point overwhelmingly people thought that she beat trump but what i became, the question of what who do you favor more, how that stretcher, who do you think could run the country much more muted and i think that they do need to. she opened the door tonight, but i think she needs to come through that door. she needs to explain herself more. interestingly enough she seems to realize that because she has already her camp has said that they want another debate. interestingly enough, trump was on fox with hannity and he said, she wants a debate. do you when he said, why do i want another debate, he said, the only reason she wants it because she lost an eye, it's like a boxer who lost and wants a rematch ahead. >> anyway, coming up. thanks, chris more from our instant of debate, watchers nationwide, did what they heard from the candidates tonight change their minds about who to vote for in november back in a moment, stay with us i won bro i can't wait

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even though she won the debate overwhelmingly in the minds of the voters, look at the economy here. who would, who would better handle the economy is what we ask going into the debate before the debate, 37% said harris, 53% trump after the debate, again, margin you know, virus stuff here, but numerically she lost a little ground, 35% said so after the debate that she would better handle the economy, 55% said trump, and we know that is one of his strongest suits across the polling in this election. and he seemed to hang on to that piece in this debate tonight, according to our poll of debate watchers. and finally, did the debate change your mind? did the debate alter your presidential preference? >> take a look at those bottom numbers 88% of harris supporters said no, nothing here, changed my mind. >> only 78% of trump supporters said that. you see there 17% of trump supporters said they would reconsider their choice. 6% said of trump supporters that their mind is changed. now we don't know how that's changed necessarily. it's not

necessarily to her, but i just think it shows that bottom number that 78%, 10% less than what harris had of his supporters say it has no effect, but that means 23% there or so, 22% believed that this did rican cause them to reconsider or change their mind of trump's supporters that's a higher number than it is for harris anderson. >> thanks. >> alyssa, doing this does this change anything moving forward now, we'll listen kamala harris on i counted four occasions used the phrase, there's more that unites us than divides us. >> she made direct appeals to independents, to moderates. she cited the liz cheney and dick cheney endorsements and was clearly trying to reach people who are disillusioned by donald trump. they're a little tired of the chaos. they may have thought they were better off four years ago, but they don't like the general tone and tenor. he at no point made that sort of asked to voters have i want your vote. here's why you should consider being with me. so i do think that there's some movement that you could see if she continues with that message going forward and her campaign has done something marked by

already coming out and saying, there game for another debate. a, it means they know they want, but they also know that it's going to put him on his heels. he is going to look on the defensive if he doesn't end up agreeing to do one thing that wasn't reflected in that in that that one slide was where voters who had no preference are going to go and i think that's the real focus. there is a sliver of voters. it's small, but decisive, potentially, who haven't chosen a candidate yet and have questions. the question is, did she help answer those questions tonight if there was one shortcoming in what i thought was was a commanding performance, probably her folks would have liked to hammer the economy even harder. and i will say this back in 2012 when barak obama was running against mitt romney on the day that he won, mitt romney won the category of who would, who would best manage the economy? but obama won who would fight for people like you in the economy? and i think that's

what she's going for with her message here, that in how she delivered those kind of messages directly to cameras, she was speaking in the second person he was often speaking in the third. donald trump would do this. donald trump would do that. and i think i'll be watching over the next couple of weeks does she do more interviews with whom what kind of formats? how do they manage the social media of tonight? and even for trump, how the surrogates are going to spend their time over the next couple of days. are they still going to be mitigating something that is perceived to be a mess or are they going to are we going to see more people acting more aggressively on his behalf i think if you want to hang your hat on something for trump, it's the economic numbers i said, i thought he won the first 15 minutes. >> it was largely about the economy and so there's still a built-in belief by most voters that it's been mismanaged by biden and harris. and so if you're trump and you're trying to take something positive out of this. it's that that built-in vibe of a just didn't do a good job on it. you have to understand that and not get

away from it. number two, obviously, millions of people watch this a lot of people didn't watch it and a lot of those people who didn't watch it and may see nothing about it, are some of the people that donald trump's campaign needs to turn out the disengages they're not going to be persuaded by this. that's still a big part of the trump strategy. i don't think there'll be moved that's all the time we have covered that harris drum presidential vague continues after this break. what let me back for a minute look at this what i do for my man let me back up for a minute we do a heart attack.

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