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ocher down, let this thing pass tropical storm helene's wrath, not over yet, the monster storm weakening as it moves up through georgia. but the destruction is mounting and later, assessing the damage, former fema administrator brock long joins me live to talk talk about what's next for these communities washington. a live look at atlanta, georgia, where they are bracing for what is now tropical storm helene. is heading their way. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us devastation across florida, a deadly tornado in georgia, and historic flooding in the carolinas. tropical storm helene now moving north after making landfall late last night as a category four hurricane here's comes the big one. >> the big one. with winds of

140 miles an hour. helene was the strongest storm ever to hit florida's big bend region, at least three people have died of storm-related injuries and officials fear that number will grow somehow we got to get people to realize that these aren't just to interesting phenomenon, they're very, very deadly. >> we're probably going to lose a lot of lives in this setup with this much flooding potential we've got this video coming to us from lee county, florida showing police venturing out into the floodwaters to rescue residents trapped by the life-threatening storm surge. and this from steinhatchee, florida, you see entire homes floating away in the water carried by that record setting storm surge fortunately, the storm chaser who provided cnn with this video said, those homes appear to have been previously evacuated in florida alone more than 1 million people are without power this morning. in other states, including gia, the carolinas, and virginia, hundreds of thousands have lost power. that number only rising the sheer power and size of this storm is difficult

to comprehend. >> the plaintiffs see in these images captured from the international space station this is the worst probably we've seen in our area and 100 years, i know. i've been in sarasota for 22 years and i've never seen anything like this all right. >> cnn has team coverage throughout the morning as helene moves up the east coast, are ryan young is in atlanta, but let's begin with cnn meteorologist allison chinchar. allison, what is the latest? >> i cannot emphasize enough to people just because this has made landfall does not mean this is over and the worst is yet to come for some of these communities, especially the areas where we're still going to see the bulk of this rain. it is a tropical storm, sustained winds of 70 miles per hour. that alone can do a significant amount of damage in terms of bringing trees and power lines down, but flopped flooding is going to be the biggest concern, especially scope wise. the green indicates a flood watch for flooding is potentially going to happen today. the red is where we have active, ongoing flooding as we

speak. and these three white little outlined areas, these are flash flood emergencies. we have three separate ones in western north carolina. one of which includes the city of asheville so north carolina, this area has had over 11 inches of rain in just the last about 48 hours. and again, you also have some of these other areas to that have picked up about a foot of rain and a lot of that rain, you also have a high terrain here. so a lot of that is flowing down. they've had reports of landslides, excuse me. they've also had water rescues save had to do and a lot of the roadways are just completely underwater as we speak, the unfortunate part is the rain is not done. you have a lot more rain that is really surging into western north carolina and we'll continue to do so for hours. hours, where they're going to continue to see more of that rain. and it's not just north carolina, south carolina, georgia tennessee, alabama, kentucky, all of these areas are going to continue to see that rainfall for the next at least six hours. we also have tornado warnings several of them active as we speak across the state of south carolina,

there is watches in effect for portions of georgia, south carolina, and north carolina. it is very likely that we'll get expanded farther north to include northern north carolina why not even into portions of virginia because this is where the threat area is going to be for today in terms of the potential for tornadoes. again, kasie, we're talking tornadoes, but we're also talking the greater threat here of rain throughout the rest of the day today all right. >> allison chinchar for us this morning, allison will be checking in with you throughout the morning. thank you. and tropical storm helene now charging through georgia, these are live pictures in atlanta of rescuers. they're at work as a state braces for widespread power outages. and you could see a dog there in that picture as well. and cnn's ryan young joins us live now from atlanta with the latest ryan, what else are you seeing out there? >> really that's the real concern right now. all this extra water that we're getting kasie, i can tell you for weeks

it's been very dry here that we've had rain for the last 48 hours, more than seven inches of rain has fallen. the metro atlanta area. and like he said, there's an active water rescues that are happening right now. we're still trying to get the numbers of how many people haven't rescue. do we know of several different apartment complexes that have been impacted? of course, we haven't even gotten close to first light yet. and this rain continues to fall on power outages throughout south georgia have made things pretty difficult for people in terms of being home, but this storm is really impacting georgia in a different way. it's not often that the city of atlanta deals with it's africans storm warning now we're seeing the impact of some gusty winds, power outages, and the heavy rainfall and the real concern here is the large trees because they're all over the city. you don't want them falling on power lines or into homes. we know several. >> ryan, let me pause for one second. >> brian, because we're looking live here. what appears? this will be the rescue of i think a dog here and maybe a baby as

well. >> we're going to maybe re-rack that tape and take a look at it. >> but these again are live rescuers in in atlanta. here you know, boots on the ground in these stormwater is trying to help folks who are trapped. there's the dog very is very grateful to them and ryan, i'm so sorry that i interrupted you again. i think it's important to tell our viewers that this is this is ongoing. this is just the beginning of this for atlanta and we're already seeing this level of work out there if you think about the infrastructure wise, this is not like a coastal city, so it's not really built to handle heavy amounts of water like seeing right now and especially in a 48 hour period. >> so we're probably going to see more rescues just like this one as somebody who's lived in this area for quite some time. we know there are several creeks that sort of overflow every time there's a heavy rain. well, then you have to triple that right now and then you add on the fact that the

storm water drains have to be cleared because there's always debris in that area. so the rescues we've been told of an ongoing. we know emergency management was ready and prepared for some of these areas. but right now, this is an active situation where they are trying to get some of those folks out of those apartments and some homes across the metro area yeah. >> so ryan how long do we anticipate this to be ongoing for the atlanta region? i mean, are people going to be looking at staying in their homes all day because i know this is the storm has been very fast moving well. that's the only good news so far as that storm is very fast moving but we're wondering behind the storm, will there be more rainfall so there have been some estimates by 12:00 this afternoon that we could see some clearer skies. they're already predicting a nice weekend here. but, you just never know. we know cancellations at the airport already above 100. and it looks like maybe this afternoon things will start to clear up. but at this point honored be interesting to see if that storm continues to move at the

fast pace of over 40 miles per hour as it moves closer to north georgia yeah. >> alright ryan young for us. thank you. and of course great to see those heroic rescue efforts, those people putting their lives on the line to save people in this case, we think who sell some pets being saved? as well. so many americans are so much to all the first responders who are working on this storm throughout the night and into this morning, ryan, thank you very much. we'll be back with you later on and coming up here on cnn this morning. new york city mayor accused of accepting bribes, the corruption charges that eric adams now faces as he maintains he's innocent. plus today, vice president harris heads to the border where she hopes to show toughness on immigration we'll talk about that and we will of course, continue to track tropical storm helene. helene as it moves northward with unsurvivable storm surges, florida preparing for a daunting day ahead? >> the state is ready as soon as this storm passes and it's safe to do so to commence a

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adams is accused of accepting bribes from turkish officials in exchange for pressuring the fire department to give a permit to the turkish consulate, even though they're building had failed to pass inspection this is an unfortunate day and it's a painful day but his side of all of that day when we're finally reveal why for ten months, i have gone through this and i look forward to defending myself and defending the people of this city as i've done throughout my entire professional career alright, according to the indictment, adams planned a trip to turkiye in 2021 and allegedly directed his staff to coordinate with turkish airlines to get him a massive discount on to business class flights but should have cost more than $15,000. >> a manager for the airline total an atom staffer, this quote, i am going to charge

$50. the atom staffer replied, know the manager that would work wouldn't it? no deer, the staffer replied $50 will quote, a proper price the manager then asked how much should i charge an added a smiling emoji the atom staffer said this quote is every step is being watched right now, $1,000 or so, let it be somewhat real. we don't want them to say he's flying for free at the moment, the media's attention is on eric adams ended up paying $1,100 each for two tickets, both of which were immediately upgraded to business class. our panelists here, isaac dovere, cnn senior reporter sarah longwell, executive director of the republican accountability project. kate bedingfield, cnn political commentator, former biden white house communications director and brad todd, republican strategist partner at the public strategy firm on message. welcome to all of you. isaac dovere, you have known eric adams for decades. >> this is grand theft ottoman.

>> i you know, i was excited to see what the new york post might do with this. this morning. they'd, they didn't fail to deliver we were talking in the break in language that quite frankly is not family friendly, especially not great for six in the morning. but can you give us the family friendly version of what is up with this? >> i mean, there has been a long history of eric adams having associations with people who have ended up in legal trouble and lightweight has from when he was in the state senate, brooklyn borough president, mayor this has been just part of the story of eric adams, along with the rest of the story of eric adams police officer and a successful politician, obviously he has also been known as mayor for one, he's running for mayor for aid, not being clear where he lives, where he works, who he's dating who he is having romantic liaison.

>> it's beyond dating where he spent his evening all of this, just all these questions about atoms, whether he's a vegetarian or not and you see in this indictment some of that behavior kind of slipping into more elicit behavior, obviously. and what's charged here. the other thing that i think is clear from this indictment is that there is likely more coming. we knew earlier in the week that this is all about his relationship with turkey and the turkish government but that there is reporting that it has expanded to five other countries that they're looking at, including south korea and israel, and a number of others this is, this is not going away and adams, his way of dealing with it. one of the i would say to me the most notable part of the indictment is a moment where when we might remember that last fall, the fbi sees his phones, they stopped his

motorcade and they went and they grabbed his phones. and what they the diamonds has happened. is that a couple of days before that adams changed the password on his iphone to have a six digit code instead of four digit code. and he told the investigators that he he did that so that none of his staff would go into his phone and delete any emails that might be pertinent to the investigation and the faa said, okay, so what's your code? he said i forgot it you forget your own iphone codes. they can open it. but the point is that, right? yeah, keep any field this guy was like you know, democrats were thrilled when he got elected. they thought he's a rising star, willing to the sort of this more moderate way of going about things significant fall from grace as you're going to have to resign look, i think so. >> i don't think so. it's kind of interesting because on the one hand, i hit some of the conversation around this, this morning is about sort of how kind of relatively small this seems are talking about first-class flights in exchange for clearing essentially a

building like they wanted to turkey presidential common, be able to go to the consulate so they're like, please like, open it in time and in some ways it feels very small ball, but it's also i mean, you're talking about clearing a building with safety permits when it was not we didn't deserve those permits. i mean, those are tangible things like think to the average person you see that and like that is the deficit finishing of corruption. so look, we'll see what happens in terms of the pressure mounting. obviously, you've had prominent democrats start to call for him to step down. i think i think he should. i don't know that there is a path forward here, especially if isaac suggests there may be more coming i think once you lose the public's trust in this way it's very hard to continue to lead effectively. so i think he should step down, but we'll see what he's running the playbook right? >> unless you've got bob menendez stay in office, actually been accused of robberies. >> you can't he shouldn't talk to him. >> and he shouldn't have. >> but ultimately he was convicted, named things that it has been notable about this era as the asymmetry between how

democrats treat their corrupt politicians in the way republicans street, they're corrupt politicians, republicans celebrate their corrupt politicians. in fact, they re nominate them for president after they tried to steal an election in lied about the fact that it was free and fairly held. whereas democrats, we see one after the other as soon as they looks like they're corrupt, they they cut bait. >> we're still waiting on chuck schumer and kim jeffries. >> that's right. well, i think there's something lost with eric adams once he steps off the stage when she inevitably will you know, he was a black cop who is willing to criticize the defund the police movement. he said aoc was endangering the laws of new yorkers. he, chris as the biden administration's policy of putting migrants in big cities like that. so democrats need some people like eric adams who will go against their more extreme karim elements. and we'll lose that something when it occurs, the biden administration stopped talking to adams at are a lot of that criticism and aoc, it was one of the first people out there saying adam should step down it's all connected. all right, straight ahead here on cnn this morning, an epic storm overwhelming florida almost the

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storms threat seriously. also assuring that they are prepared but at the president's direction, we have over 1,100 personnel. so far across the federal government supporting the preparedness efforts for this storm. >> we also have an additional 700 personnel from fema that are already in these states supporting other disasters that we can quickly pivot to support any of the response needs as needed. we are ready for this event all right. >> joining us now is former fema administrator, brock long. sir. thank you so much for joining the program this morning. i mean, you have been you have been in it, you have been the person at that podium? at you have responded to these kinds of disasters. this one, the language that officials have been using is frankly apocalyptic in terms of the the storm surge and other effects. what have you seen so far? and how do you think officials are going to be managing this response there's so much to learn from this storm and i think it's a reminder that

every storm is different. >> their unique, they attack us in different ways. a couple of things i think the biggest reminder is that hurricanes are not just coastal, coastal events. i mean, here i am an hour north of charlotte, north carolina and hickory, north carolina and hickory. and we've been seeing rainfall and high winds since yesterday, flooding in the north carolina mountains as helene was well offshore the other thing saying that really sticks out to me is that the tampa bay clearwater area, st. pete area experienced the highest storm surge since 1993. if my facts are correct on that and this should be a real wakeup call to that area and we have to have serious conversations about the culture of preparedness within our citizenry, particularly on the florida west coast but right now, fema has been well ahead of the storm as administrator, criswell had said earlier, they've been pre-deploying teams and equipment, personnel and capability forward and advance of this storm's. most

importantly, what they do is they're putting urban search and rescue teams strategically located in areas ready to go for the response side. and obviously the mission right now is search and rescue, but that mission will eventually transition over to stabilizing critical infrastructure and life sustainment so, sir, when we look at these pictures and you mentioned the west coast of florida what should residents there be thinking about as they are making decisions about their futures, especially if they have to rebuild. >> i mean, there seemed to be serious questions around a changing climate that i mean insurance companies are seeing it, right? i mean, they're refusing to ensure some places in these areas now, it's a real problem for residents across the state of florida. do we need to be rethinking how we rebuild in the wake of some of these storms yes, absolutely. i think one of the problems with the disaster declaration process that congress needs to

rethink. how do we build in incentives for states and communities that do the right thing? and what i mean by that is states that are well advanced and land use planning, implementing the latest international codes council building code standards, properly ensuring their infrastructure if it's insurable those communities, in my opinion, should be rewarded for doing the right thing as we face a change in climate and future hazards unknown hazards in the future, we've really got to have that understanding with congress and start to build in those incentives. i don't blame the insurance companies for moving out. we have to invite the insurance companies back to the table and figure out how to buy down risk in the future and figure out a model that works right now. one of the biggest problems with female ability to operate and fully execute its mission is that they're constantly having to operate off of disastrous supplementals into the disaster relief fund and so for three months,

unfortunately, fema has been forced to implement what's called immediate needs funding which means they can only really spend money on life safety missions. they can't actually execute long-term mitigation and long-term recovery missions. and so when you look back since 1992, fema, a third of fema disaster relief funding has come in the form of disastrous supplementals one, we've got to remove the politics away from fema and out of the disaster process. and we've got to come up with a more consistent funding process. >> and then again, one of the things that i'm most proud of, and when i was in office as we pass the building, resilient infrastructure, and communities program, we were able to get that program up and running to really start, you know having an honest conversation about what's got to be mitigated in the future so that we don't see our infrastructure going down as easily all right brock long for us this morning, former fema administrator, sir. thanks very much for being on the program. i really appreciate your time today thank you.

>> kasie. thank you so much alright. >> still to come here after the break, ukraine's president zelenskyy, preparing to meet with donald trump i'll meet with president zelenskyy and we'll see what happens a growing divide among democrats and republicans over the war in ukraine of course, a defining issue in the presidential race plus wreaking havoc on on the southeast united states. >> we're going to be live in north carolina amid flooding that officials are calling catastrophic as rescues continue in atlanta been doing water rescues all night and with this one, the vehicle he was traveling in through the water and the vehicle started to float. all read like they were able to get out of a vehicle, get on top of the vehicle. >> once they got on top of the vehicle, when we arrived, we were able to look up a system

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defended ukraine as an ally and pledged to continue supporting the nation in, in its defense against the russia launched war. it was a stark contrast to trump's messaging ahead of his meeting with zelenskyy today president zelenskyy said that do not understand what it takes to win this war oh, then i should immediately cancel my appointment. >> now he knows. he knows. i understand it. look like i hate to see the carnage if i were president that never would have happened russia would have never attacked ukraine, never ever okay, our panel is back with us zelenskyy has really stepped into us politics in some interesting ways in recent days. >> i mean, brad, todd this is perhaps the sharp, i mean, it is one of the sharpest differences right? between a kamala harris presidency and a second donald trump presidency is going to be on this issue of ukraine. how do you think zelenskyy is handling it? >> well, i think first off, he

took a very big risk, right? he goes to a munitions plant in scranton, pennsylvania. that's home to pennsylvania's eighth congressional district a tossup in a five-seat congress. the senate race, maybe the 52nd senate seat and republican majority and the presidency in that media market stepped right into that colder and criticized the ticket that might when there's a 50-50 chase j.d. vance, and donald trump win. and he immediately criticize the people he's going to ask for help in january sure. it's really, really risky political strategy by zelenskyy. >> well, but trump and vance have been saying for months and months and months that they're not going to support a lifeline to keep his country able to push back against an autocrat who's coming in and taking their land. so like let's be he a fair here. i mean, this is not, this is not zelenskyy initiating this conflict. i mean, vance and trump have said many, many times, if they take office, they're going to, while trump, i should say, has been very clear that actually even more specific, i mean, vance has laid out a plan where they give the land to the russians and create a demilitarized zone. and that if

any chances said that, that's why trump is also said forget the reason why he was impeached the first time which was about giving aid to ukraine and conditioning it on doing what he wanted politically it's trump's history on this is important, right? >> and i do think that's zelenskyy decided to make it pretty big statement, but he did not have to go to any factory. he decided to do it in pennsylvania, as you say, in a pretty specific place and with josh shapiro, a very high-profile democrat with him, of course the governor of the state. so it makes sense in that way. but let's go live to say mike johnson is the speaker of the house, gotten zelenskyy, the last tranche of aid that's only from mike johnson. >> it doesn't happen matt cartwright, seat in northeast pennsylvania is key to mike johnson being speaker, going into that place was a bigger front of mike johnson in big mistake but i mean, j.d. >> vance and donald trump will very likely abandoned zelenskyy and i mean donald trump has made it very clear how much is allegiance lies with vladimir putin? and this is a real

problem in a real flip for the republican party. this isn't what it used to be like. we were the voters on this when you talk to the voters who have swing back and forth, where do they come down in ukraine, unfortunately, they're not my voters there to all the toddler's i talked what this is the biggest thing that's happening with republican voters which is that it's about half and half where donald trump has really influenced the republican party to be more isolation as they do not want to be involved in ukraine, they absolutely they basically don't want any money sent abroad period, like there's just this isolationism it's gripped the party, but then of course there's still that traditional part of the party that wants to see ukraine supported because republican party used to support our democratic allies. but i will say zelenskyy, making this the problem is trump is such a vindictive and he takes these things so personally it's always about him. and so this feels like for trump, he takes this as an affront to him personally, zelenskyy going there and so zelenskyy probably does need to do some damage control with trump because he knows how petulant

vindictive he is well, of course, we're going to see him walk into trump tower today, which shows how he is understanding the situation. alright, still ahead here on cnn this morning vice president kamala harris, go great to the southern border today as she is trying to boost her numbers on immigration plus tropical storm helene impacting parts of north carolina will look at how residents are bracing for the worst flooding they've seen in a century and the helene's widespread damage across the southeast, how the biden administration is preparing to respond to the storm we're expecting to catastrophic storm winds and flooding throughout the southeast. >> starting in florida right now, common i have been briefed and spent many ours with fema to 30 years. >> i've been saying publicly what people say and turns out i have enough money. i could just shut off the fact is, i can't car saturday, october 5th on

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all right, welcome back. >> this just in tropical storm hawaii. now to blame for a fourth fatality, a four-year-old child in north carolina, the child died in a car crash last night as dangerous and historic flooding is now unfolding in western north carolina. rain already swelling rivers near asheville well before helene's rain even arrived. and now the area under a flash flood emergency, almost a foot of rain has fallen there just since wednesday. cnn's isabel rosales is joining me now with the latest from ash phil isabel. good morning. what are you seeing hey, kasie. >> good morning here in just the last ten minutes, mandatory evacuation orders have been issued for residents living around the swannanoa river. here in asheville, also happening just this morning, the power has seemingly gone out throughout the city of ashkelon as far as we can see 71,000 customers are without electricity here throughout the state of north carolina. officials here awarding that

catastrophic flooding is imminent. the national weather service have been telling residents here that to expect one of the most significant weather events in modern times for this region. and kasie, a big problem here is that the ground has already been so saturated, flooding has been a concern way before helene due to a totally different weather system so let's talk about the rivers. so you have the french broad river and also the swannanoa river. there anticipating it did cross tonight overnight into saturday. river levels have been around ten feet the level and then expected another ten feet and then let's talk about the rainfall. they've had eight inches of rain since wednesday between that time and now helene, they're anticipating over 20 inches of rainfall well, that's a very big problem. i spoke with the fire chief, michael hays about what's keeping him up at night. listen as a result of

their foundations being undermined from the soil saturation and the other events that caused that and shifting of the ground? >> yes. we're absolutely very concerned about building collapses and landslides we're talking about record-breaking storm and we won't see this again in our lifetime. so are people hear her? going to live through some tough times tonight, the next days. and as we move forward tells me there was a fema team here on standby to potentially help out with any rescues that are needed. and he also talked to me about the specific nuances of the geography here in asheville, you have the blue ridge mountains that's about four thousand feet of elevation. and then asheville, he says it's a sort of a catch basin at the bottom. so all of this rainfall is just floating down into the bottom into asheville and it has nowhere to go kasie, the ground is too soaked and this is really worrying him alright, isabel rosales for us this morning. isabel, thanks very much for that. stay safe alright, let's

turn now to this next week. vice presidential candidate, j.d. vance and tim walz will face off on the debate stage with just a little over a month until election day. they're both, of course, under pressure too. perform. donald trump's running mate giving a preview of what he hopes to convey on the stage and what i'm going to try to show is very simple that the candidacy, the team of substance, the team that actually record that we're proud of, instead of running away from and the team that actually has a plan is the team aim of trump-vance meanwhile, harris is running mate says he's been looking forward to this day since his first day on the ticket like all regular people, i grew up with in the heartland jd studied at yale how his career funded by silicon valley billionaires. >> and then wrote a bestseller trashing that community. >> come on that's not what middle america is and i got to tell you i can't wait to debate the guy

joining us now cnn political commentator michael smerconish, he's also the host of cnn's smerconish michael. it's friday, which means it's great to see you. thank you for being here. here. >> you've got something coming up on your show around this debate tomorrow. talk to me a little bit about that and what you expect to see on the stage from vance and walz nice to see you as well. i love the clips that you just played tomorrow on my program. i have the last debate opponents for each of those individuals, not words, dr. scott and jensson is individual that ran against him, walz governor walz was successful in defeating him but to take out my head seconds, i'm pure tree back five seconds later so j.d. >> vance ran against tim ryan and tim ryan is my guest are so too is scott jensen on my program tomorrow they were the last each of these individuals, kasie, i've been looking at a lot of game tape. i watched all

three of the debates between walz and scott jensen. i walked both debates between j.d. vance and tim ryan, and i noted some things that i think will play out on tuesday. they have different debate styles as you just heard from the clips that you played governor walz is style is much more folksy, much more middle america events, attempts to be much more intellectual in his approach. they are both very good on their feet. they're both very sharp in terms of the one-liners. and i think that the debate could be very significant given the margin. i also think that what happens tuesday may determine whether there really is a final presidential debate yeah, for sure. >> it's so interesting that you will be talking to them and when you think about the different styles j.d. vance has sometimes struggled on the campaign trail in his interactions with especially if these what we call an otr stops, right? you go to the local diner or the local bakery or whatever. there was one with a chad, a cheesesteak place in

philadelphia that i don't know if you saw that and sort of raise my eyebrows when he was trying to make front of john kerry didn't quite go the way he had planned. but he does seem like someone for whom the debate stage will feel like a more natural home. >> true? i think that the training that he received at the yale law school has put him in a position to be strong in that posture. but the styles are different. you know, it's interesting because i've already interviewed tim ryan. i've already interviewed scott jensen they say the same thing about their opponents jensson says about walz and brian says about vance each is very slippery, each is very hard to pin down. each is going to come across with a middle america tight message, but it's hard to hold their feet to the fire. it's almost as if both well, not almost as if it's as if they each have regrets about not doing something different in the debate opportunities that they have but listen, i woke up to morning this morning to the latest polling data as you did you look at that morning, consult bloomberg survey among others, i think

today you'd rather be harris than trump and tuesday night, given the closeness of this race, i think is really significant. and if i'm donald trump, despite what i've told the media so far about whether there there'll be a future debate. i think i've got my eyes on how j.d. vance performs. and if it doesn't go well for vance i think it increases the odds that trump desires to get back in the ring with the vice president yeah, it's really interesting and vance is going to be, let's be honest performing for an audience of one, right? >> in donald trump, and michael smerconish thank you so much for being with us i always love to have you and of course, our, for our viewers reminder, attorney tune into smerconish's tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn. see you next friday all right. >> we're going to turn out of this you have any plans to visit the border? i'm here in guatemala today. at some point you know, we are going to the border. we've been to the border. so this whole, this

whole, this whole thing about the border. we've been to the border. we've been to the border. >> you haven't been to the border? >> and i haven't been to europe i thought i don't understand the point that you're making so kamala harris is going to do that thing that has followed her for much of her term as vice president today, harris will visit the u.s. >> mexico border for the first time as her party's presidential nominee. it's just her second border trip as vice president the visit comes as polls consistently show voters trust donald trump and republicans more to handle immigration. trump criticizing harris's trip yesterday, he called it a stunt that's too little too late. >> anything she says tomorrow, you know, is a fraud because she was the worst in history at protecting our country so she'll try and make yourself look a little bit better, but it's not possible. she keeps talking about how she supposedly wants to fix the border we would merely ask why didn't she do it four years

ago, it's very simple question all right. >> or panel's back, sarah longwell, you're nodding yeah. >> i mean, look, this is where democrats for the most vulnerable, it's where she's the most vulnerable on immigration and you hear immigration as one of the top issues after the economy from a lot of swing voters. but the other thing that's happening as i listened to voters in the focus groups is kamala harris continues to hammer on trump about the fact that he scuttled the bipartisan deal that she and joe biden had worked on with some very conservative senators and come to a gluten trump head he got, he wanted, he wanted the issue to campaign on and so he he scuttled that deal and voters are hearing that they heard that into the bait. it was for some of them, it was new information to ask you about that. >> i mean, did you pick that up that people had no. >> that's right. in fact, somebody who said like i found out for the first time listening to that debate, that there was a border deal trump had gotten rid of. and so i think that if she continues to go on offense on that, i don't think that she's going to

eliminate the gap, but because immigration is such a central issue for trump, it really is the thing that has made him you know, it's the thing that built his campaign in 2016 teen but she's gotta do something to mitigate the fact that she is seen as just having an open border policy because voters really don't like that. yes. so this is one thing so i actually interviewed harris back in 2018 on the border. she was a senator then and we went and visited otay mesa, which is a border facility in california. she was of course, center of california at the time. here's a clip of what she told me a lot of the signs at the rally you just held for people standing there saying abolish ice dams that a position that you agree with? >> and i think there's no question that we've got to critically reexamine ice and its role and the way that it is being administered and the work it is doing. and we need to probably, you think about starting from scratch because there's a lot that is wrong with the way that it's conducting itself. and we need

to deal with that so this kid is of course, a year before she launches her campaign for president. >> and a big part of i think why we've seen her kind of shift some of her positions is that she was trying to run a progressive campaign and democratic primary and then all of a sudden when she's found herself not having to do that, but she has struggled to find her footing on this issue. >> yeah. look, i mean, i think you have to call it what it is she's trying to navigate having been in what she believed was a dramatically different political place in 2019, and she is now it is what it is but i think the thing about this trip now is that she does actually have a good story here story to tell here. and that's one illegal crossings have dropped dramatically since the executive order that she and president biden put in place. so she can talk about the fact that these crossings have come down under her watch and she can go on offense on this argument about trump having scuttled the deal, and i think the other point that sarah was making that is so important to remember here is she doesn't have to win this election on the issue of immigration. she has to mitigate some of them donald

trump's advantage. and i think by going on offense today, by being aggressive voters are we know they're tuned end. we know that they heard some of this during the debate. they're open to hearing more by not being afraid to go on offense today, even with some of the quotes historically kind of in her past. she's not just advocating the issue and that's march doesn't have to win the race on the issue. she just has to draw the margins down a little bit. >> the problem isn't that she hasn't visited the border, isn't that they didn't secure the border and kamala harris in 2019 told us what she believed. she believed we need to get rid of ice or re-imagined it arrive you serve her b-school buzzwords but she has a vulnerability here because the jobs has been wrong. the voters are right, the biden-harris administration did not secure the border. it's the worst we've ever had. i think it's a big mistake to go right now because october is a lot about agenda control and campaign. you want voters focused on issues that favor you. she's walking right into the vote. the issue that everybody wants. >> the last word, but it is 7:00 a.m. fortunately, i'm going to have to put you guys