to watch me cook, to take pictures, and she loved to run. i used to call her cd men. because she was so fast on her feet. she was fat like her father. she used to say to me or him, mom, dad, watch me. we try, we talked about her trying out for track and her school but that never got to happen.because on june 6,

2015, bullets tore through my kitchen . striking italy in the heart. and my other daughter you know be, in the shoulder. it took me a minute to even realize that both of them were shot. it seemed like forever. but i looked up and i saw cops and i just screamed out please help me, help us. [applause]

>> by then the police had drug italy out of my room and you know be, helping me work on her. that was the last time i saw my baby alive. while my family is left with empty faces and loss and love in our hearts and lives. i feel that we need our community. we also need to make sure people who shouldn't have guns don't. [applause] that moves a standing background check. we need that village back, people. we need it.

we can't do this on our own. if the violence doesn't stop there will be no next generation. i like families up here, families across the globe are losing children every day. that is our next generation. and we're losing them. we need more mentors for the youth. we need more outlets. parents need to know each other. the world is moving so fast we are losing our babies. slow down. take a look around. meet somebody. that your children playwith . they might need you one day.

from your next-door neighbor to the person sitting next to you to congress to the president, whoever will listen, we need to get a hold on gun violenc if not, if not it's going to wash away a generation of children that will never see their dreams come true. please, i am begging you president obama and first lady, the federal government, congress, anyone, we need you . these guns have got to stop. the violence has got to stop. harder laws is what is needed . thank you.

[applause] >> next, representative bonnie jekyll. >> we thank you for being out here this evening and with us on what is a hot evening. we thank you for sacrificing your time. there is perhaps nothing more painful than losing a child to a senseless act of violence. two years ago, that is exactly what regina thompson jenkins endured. she is comforted by the fact that she knows that her son died saving the lives of two young women but that doesn't change the fact that she can't hold her son anymore, that she won'tsee the man he would become .she can't even go into his bedroom anymore. this is another face of why

it's time for change. why we need reform and why congress must do its job. ladies and gentlemen, i present to you miss regina thompson jenkins.>> thank you congresswoman for the invite to speak today. i know firsthand about gun violence and the lasting impact it can have on a person, a family, community, even a nation. my name is regina thompson jenkins and i am the mother of 19-year-old trey lane who was the 15th murder in the city of trenton, 15. i can't get that number out of my head. trey was killed on september 22nd 2012. by sacrificing his life to save two young ladies to

avoid a bigger tragedy. he was my only child. trey died a hero but that doesn't take away mypain . this is personal for me. because my story today can be any one of your stories tomorrow. i feel like i'm always defending my sons character or his honor. not every black and brown child wears his pants hanging down.not every black and brown child stands on the corner selling drugs. not all black and brown children are in gangs area my son was not affiliated with any of those things, yet he was killed by a senseless act of gun violence and i stand before you as a grieving mother.

trey was in college. yet i will never see him walk across the stage. i will never see my son get married so i will never know the feeling of that mother and son dance. i will never have grandchildren. i will never know the reason why we chose, why someone chose to shift into a crowd of people and take the love of my life, my pride and my joy. what i do know is that we have to make the gun laws stricter so another mother doesn't feel the same way that i do. [applause] i remember the moment i heard the gun violence that took place in sandy hook elementary school. my heart froze. instantly my thoughts went towards the mothers. i knew what they were going to feel area so i started to pray they were never going to be able to hug their children again or tell them that they

loved them. i knew that pain. guns are currently being used in our society for murders, hunting and gang activity. guns save lives. there is no doubt about it but there needs to be much stricter gun control laws that prevent criminals or people who have signs of mentalillness from getting these deadly weapons . pendleton, jordan davis, trey von martin, south carolina shooting, orlando nightclub shooting, all of these people died from someone who had access to a gun. if there is even one thing we can do, even one step we can take to save another person or prevent another mother from feeling the grief i do today then we must act on it. so today, i urge you, we the people, we have a power. in november, take five people to vote let's change, let's change .

1600 pennsylvania avenue. so today in memory of my son trey lane, adrian davis, benjamin debellis, the mother standing to my left ear, david lewis the third, ira charles , piatti kirkman, james alston and all the other victims in the city of trenton that have died at the hands of a gun, all lives matter. change their life. change their life. in the words of pastor mark gross, not inmate my neighborhood. 123, hard work. 456, together. thank you. [applause] >> the next senator from the

great state, rosa delauro. [applause] >> thank you. my name is rosa delauro and i representthe third district of connecticut . i am honored to introduce you tonight nikki a dawson from my hometown of new haven connecticut. mckeown knows the impact and the pain that gun violence has on families, friends and community. she lost her cousin and her best friend to gun violence. i admire her courage. she has an inspiration. he founded the bereavement care network. which reaches out to all families of homicide victims new haven. she has made it her life's work to help families deal at

a time of unspeakable personal tragedy. she turned that pain into something positive to help others area for nakia's friends and family and for everyone here who has suffered because of gun violence, we are here tonight to say enough is enough. we need to pass gun violence registration, support universalbackground checks , no fly, no by, an assault weapons ban, increased mental healthresources and gun violence research . we come to this institution to vote, to vote to protect the families in this great country, each of us in our own districts. we will not stop this effort to get a vote.

we will continue and for those who say we can have no vote we say get out of the way. give us the opportunity to vote on behalf of the people of this great country. it is now my great honor to introduce to you nakia dawson. [applause] >> first of all i would like to thank god for allowing all of us to make it safely and tell our stories. on the morning of june 24 2011 i lost a very close friend that was near and dear to my heart. donell david alex. donell was gunned down in new haven connecticut. his death was tragic and very hard for myself, his friends, family and his new haven community as he was such a people person.

a likable person and to have known him you would have loved him. donell was the 23rd homicide in the city of new haven. altogether, there were 34in that year. i was never a funeral person could handle that . i was not mentally or physically prepared to handle the death of a good friend or a family member, but i did. i found myself become stronger as the day went on, as i helped his mother, his family, his couplings and some of his friends give him a proper burial. the loss of my loved one that i unfortunately endured, i would not wish on anyone area once again, i will say i will not wish on anyone. gun violence, this has to stop. it's taking a toll on our families, our community, that

we know and hopefully understand we cannot control it but what we can control his gun violence area it's killing and taking away too many of our loved ones, leading us to fill that gap and it's also leaving us on financial burden and hardship on those families. we need to end this and endit now. our families are suffering . we need to take a stand to make gun violence a thing of the past. and not allow it to become our future. it starts with you. if you don't make the first move to end it, when will we take a move to stand? thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you, thank you and speaker also from connecticut, john larson. >> this is henrietta beckman. when they asked us why we sat

down, it was so america would stand up to the senseless violence that has cast a plague over this nation. henrietta beckman lost her son randy. she, like everybody else here , carries in her heart that unrelenting love that demands not only that we sit down but that we speak out. and that congress doesn't

stop. they may leave. >>. [chanting] do your job. do your job. do your job. do your job. >> they may leave today but this issue is not going away and neither or are we. henrietta is a president of mothers united against violence from the capital city ofconnecticut, hartford . henrietta beckman.

>> thank you. every time i have to tell this story it's you know, it gets me so emotional but there's no pain like the pain of a mother who loses a child. we should not be burying our children. our childrenshould have long lives , the way god intended. randy was 20 years old when he was shot. he was just around the corner sitting in his car, minding his own business when an suv pulled up. i was still at work, i was told that the person got out of the car, they had some words and they shot my son in thehead .

... [applause] i stayed in that hospital for three days with hope. hope that he would make it through. so on that fourth day when they knocked on the window, we all knew in that room what it was like. we lost him. what do you mean you lawson, you just said you upgraded him? so the devastation that guns have on families and on the community is devastating. it's been 14 years since my son got shot. but as you can see, the pain never ever goes away. young people keep losing their lives to god. when are we going to wake up

or stand out? i don't understand the congress that's not supporting the laws that we are trying to get past. i'm sure they got kids and families that they care about. there's not about the money, lives. our lives matter, our kids lives matter. when my son passed away he had a four-month-old son. he's 14 now. he wants to be something, he tries to stay out of trouble, he says grandma, i think i'm a pretty good man. i say yes you are. and he wants to be a good man. his goal is to play basketball, he thinks he's going to be a superstar. if he keeps going, he will be. i have eight other grandkids and it's sad that you have to live in the city where you have to fear, constantly

remind the kids don't go here, don't go there. stay away from this person, that person. they should be children. live to have a happy life. and us parents should not ever, ever have to go through what we mothers have been going through. and fathers, because my husband hurts just like i do. it just ripples, it has a ripple effect. it goes through the community right down to today, even after 14 years the kids that died inour streets , their friends, a lot of them i knew a lot of kids that have passed and it's just sad that you know, no one is doing anything about these guns. get these guns out of our neighborhoods . put that money somewhere where it needs to be. thank you. [applause] thank you very,

very much and now from the gate great state of florida, representative corrine brown. >> god bless america and he has blessed america because you are here. give yourself a hand. thank you, thank you. [applause] i will never forget waking up at sunday morning when i found out that 49 of my constituents had been killed and 53 wounded by senseless attacks on them with these assault rifles and then we came back to congress and what did we do? one minute of silence. one minute of silence. to whom god has given much, much is expected. it is my honor to introduce the next speaker.

a combat veteran, and author, political advisor and military advocate and his father is a marine, mister carolyn sims. >> good evening everyone. my name is ronald sims the second, former captain of the us army and a prom veteran of operation iraqi freedom. as a veteran and proud american, is an honor to be here today alongside heroes and our u.s. congress and so many others who are fighting to make our community a safer place to live. closer, assistant clyburn and mister lewis, you are true champions for common sense and champions for the responsible change our country so desperatelyneeds . i thank you for the opportunity to stand alongside you and your

leadership in standing up to the gun lobby and acting to help build safer communities area as a proud veteran, i currently serve on the advisory committee for the veterans coalition for common sense. the initiative founded by captain mark kelly and congresswoman gabrielle giffords. through their gun violence prevention organization americans for responsible solutions. the veterans coalition for common sense is a new, national and nonpartisan initiative of american veterans who have come together to urge our elected leaders to do more to make our country safer from gun violence. we've come together to say that it is time for elected leaders to do more to address the gun violence crisis that is tearing our communities apart. which is making our country stand out in the worst of ways. we are men and women from every branch of the armed services who served our

country from vietnam to the wars in iraq and afghanistan. after graduating from west point and entering our army, i swore not to serve and protect the constitution of the united states. this includes our second amendment right to bear arms. like so many of our brothers and sisters in our armed forces, throughout my service i never forgot that both. in basic training, soldiers receive in-depth training in firearm safety. we are taught to respect the truly awesome power of our weapon . we quickly learn why they must only be placed in the hands of responsible, train and law-abiding people. today, we far too often see the tragic results that, when guns fall in thehands of dangerous, irresponsible people. like most americans, i am heartbroken and outraged by

the tragedies at sandy hook, orlando , dallas and so many other communities and by the tragedies that do not make the headlines. the americans taken in orlando and dallas were among the approximately 33,000 americans who will diethis year from gunshot wounds . 3000 of our fellow americans gone . let's be honest, this is a national crisis. we know there are gun violence crisis have many causes but there is no single solution but what we do know is that our current laws are riddled with dangerous holes that make it far too easy for dangerous people to acquire a gun and bring terror to our community. we know that in many states dangerous persons, career criminals, domestic abusers, known terrorists have the ability to purchase guns without something assimple as a criminal background check. we know that dangerous people , even al qaeda or isil operatives exploit these laws

to gain access to firearms. and we know that our elected leaders can do more to keep guns out of the wrong hands. we know that our elected leaders can do more to save some of those 33,000 lives. that is why i am here today. i am here because i believe our constitution affords responsible americans the right to own guns and i'm here because i know that with our freedom comes the responsibility to keep dangerous people from having easy access to guns. faith without works is nothing. it is now time for congress to get to work and finally do something about the gun violence that is tearing our communities and our nation's apart. i know we can do better. we are americans, thank you. >> now to present our next speaker from the great state of kentucky, representative john jones. >> thank you jim.

i'm congressman john yarmuth from louisville kentucky, hometown of mohammed ali who spent his life reaching nonviolence and would have definitely thought that this event was the greatest. republican congressional leadership has adjourned for the summer but we are still here calling for action to combat our nations gun violence epidemic. we've seen mass shootings on our college campuses and movie theaters and shopping malls, nightclubs and office buildings and elementary schools and protests and even gathering in a church basement during a moment of prayer. we've also experienced mass shootings on a military base, almost 3 years ago about a mile from where we stand tonight at the washington navy yard, a mentally ill man with a gun took the lies of 12 innocent individuals. one of the lives lost that friday morning was sylvia fraser, an information insurance manager, unable see

systems command. he was a dedicated public servant and a beloved family member, friend and neighbor. to tell you more about sylvia and what she meant to those who loved her i would now like to introduce her sibling, doctor wendy edmonds and doctor bobby fraser junior. [applause] >> thank you congressman john yarmuth. 54 years ago, my parents james and eloise fraser loved each other so much that they got married and started a family. they had seven children. martina, bobby, lindsay, wanda, maria , sylvia and me. all productive citizens. on monday september 16 2013, one of their children, sylvia

renc fraser at the age of 53 was murdered, brutally murdered in the washington navy yard massacre. along with 11 of her other colleagues. sylvia was doing her job. sylvia was serving her country. sylvia was where she was supposed to be. now, this tragedy joined us to a new family. the survivors of gun violence family. we didn't ask to be a part of that family and to be perfectly honest with you, we'd rather not. but the choice was not ours. but what we realized is that there's a paradigm shift.

in a traditional family, we celebrate birth because births are growing our family. but unlike tradition, our new family, the survivors of gun violence family, it's growing but it is not growing by the number of births. it is growing by thenumber of deaths . this is sad. it is tragic and we are traumatized. it is time for this country to understand that we need done reform not yesterday, not hopefully, but now. >> thank you. >> platform guests and members of congress, and my

fellow americans, i am sylvia's big brother and if any of you have a big brother you know they're there to protect you, look out for you and help you make that way through life. but i want to tell you something that i know. that is that america is the frantic land of the free and home of the break as stated in our national anthem i ask you, where are those who are free and brave to stand against nonviolence? we love our guns in america. they give us a false sense of power, to protect us against our peers. the second amendment of our constitution has been interpreted to guarantee each individual in america right to own a gun. the constitution and the 14th amendment also says i have an inalienable right to be safe and free in the pursuit of happiness.

that has been taken away from all of those murdered and us who live in fear. those at columbine high school, 2080s at sandy hook elementary school, many at the movie theater in aurora colorado, or nine in a nightclub in orlando and those serving their country stateside at washington dc navy yard and at fort hood texas, etc., etc. who are not here with usphysically , who are dead because of our love affair with guns. where are the brave to stand against the nra bully and stand for social accountability for those who want to own guns but must be vetted to own a gun. these two pieces of legislation in the house of representatives are a step in the right direction. we do need increased background checks to ensure. you and i can't drive a car

without being tested or it gun owners know that they have a social responsibility to our society. gun owners personal rights should not negate our freedom to be safe and wherever we go in the pursuit of happiness. we are greater then i. we the american people matter. thank you. >> now from the great state of new york, representative gregory makes.>>. >> i'm congressman gregory meeks from the fifth congressional district in new york and i'm not happy to be here. i'm not happy that you have to be here.

i'm not happy that any of us have to be here. because we are here it means that folks who are supposedly doing a job have left . without making sure that we make our people safer. we're here because we have to listen to the stories and the hurt and the pain of people who have lost loved ones. this is not a good day for america. we're here because one young black folks have to remind america again that black lives do matter. [applause] to seek out on behalf of those that have lost their life in new york, one who has took her pain and anger and turned it into action. when she lost her son and

drill, she started an organization called not another child incorporated. this provides support for families and communities who experience gun homicide. she like all of us here support like most americans expanding background checks and gun safety laws. let me present to you someone who i wish could not be here, did not have to be here, marissa napper williams. >> good evening and thank you congressman meeks. we are at war. if you don't know it or not, we are at war. the war is dividing those of us who wants gun violence

reform and those that are establishing their first amendment rights and like the speaker said previous to me, we are not asking you to take back your rights, we're asking you to be responsible for where these guns end up. to be accountable for these guns ending up in our communities. for these guns ending upin those that are mentally disabled . the 15-year-old that pled guilty to my son's murder did not go to a gun show and purchase a gun but ended up in his hands. so i like others can get up here and show the emotional side, and show the torment thatwe go through day after day , listing our loved ones. it's almost 10 years for me, it feelslike 10 minutes ago someone told me my son was murdered .that is the anguish we go through on a daily basis.

though i'm glad to be here and present and me all these politicians and elected officials, i'd send everyone of them back to have my child with me. and i am offended at the republicans walking out at a time like this. the blood is on their hands. the longer they do it, the blood is on their hands area those that we lose, those that are murdered, that are mass murdered and the individuals in inner-city communities, it does not matter. all blood is red. the hardest part of my life was not having a son my last year in high school. nor turning around and having my son adjusted at the age of 20 but my hardest part of my

life has been living without my child.has been waking up every day realizing that someone that i brought into this world is no longer here. congressman meeks didn't get a chance to tell you that my son was a double victim of gun violence. while in high school, changing classes, walking to his class, doing what he was supposed to do was shot in the third vertebrae of his back. when another student walked out of the side entrance and brought a gun back and was looking for someone. the fatal incident that took my son's life was when he went to visit a family member and waiting downstairs as we often do, gunfire corrupted in part of the building. august 17, 2006. 10:00 at night.

they say there's nowhere to go anymore in housing authority so everyone is waiting in front of the building. here's the gunfire and runs. not knowing that they are shooting in the direction of the building. bullet to the back of his head. so that right there has prompted my fight and my quest to not let another child become a victim of homicide. not another child become a victim and the have a gun put in their hands as a 15-year-old perpetrator did. [applause] in my closing, those that guns affect have no respect as a person.

you can be black, white, it's not gender-based, it's none of the above area unlike cancer and other deadly diseases, this is something we can control. thank you. [applause] >> now to lead us in our lighting ceremony and to present our final speaker, the democratic with of the house of representatives, from the state of maryland, steny hoyer. [applause] >> thank you jim clyburn. thank you every mother. every father. every young person. every brother and sister. every friend and neighbor. who lost somebody to gun violence. we thank you for being here,

we thank you for your courage , we thank you for remembering your loved one and making this a very real issue, not a theoretical issue. i particularly want to recognize bobby fraser and doctor wendy edmonds area like constituents. as was their sister sylvia who lost her life in gun violence as you heard at the washington navy yard. the republican majority has decided that in the house chamber tomorrow and for the next seven weeks, the lights will be out. the microphones will be turned off. and no debate will take place on common sense gun safety legislation even as the

american people demand. people, thank you for being here tonight. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, we not be able to turn the lights on in the dark chamber of the house but we can shine . we can shine, we can shine a bright light across the nation to signal our determination for change. everyone here, everyone here has either a candle or a flashlight or a phone. put your lights on for justice. put your lights on for common sense. put your lights on to make a difference. doctor martin luther king wrote darkness cannot drive out darkness, only lights can

do that. hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that. let us shine a light for the victims of gun violence from aurora to newtown to emmanuelle nine two orlando 49 and to all those other places where people ought to be and they gave their life being where they are to be. from alton stirling and philando castile to the five fallen officers in dallas and all the many thousands whose stories we didn't read about on the national news. and let us shine the light of our common resolve. for dc, this work through to disarm hate area disarm hate. disarm hate.

disarm hate. >>. [chanting] disarm hate. >> and now ladies and gentlemen it is my great privilege and honor not to introduce because you know him. but to present a hero of the civil rights movement ... [applause] who faced down a wall of oppression and resistance in selma and so many otherplaces . and nearly lost his life demanding only the right to vote. the right to vote. as you listen to john lewis, resulting ourselves i will never when given the opportunity not vote. it makes a difference. he led our city last month

that called force common sense gun violence prevention measures and he's here with us tonight to join in remembering gun violence victims and calling for action. ladies and gentlemen, you know this. john lewis and bodies the conscience of our country. [applause] he embodies the striving of our founders to create a more perfect union. and john lewis is the essence of nonviolence and the beloved community. i give you my brother, your brother, john lewis. [applause] >> thank you very much.

my friend, my brother, steny hoyer. i want to thank our leader nancy pelosi, leader jim clyburn for bringing us here tonight. i want to thank each and everyone of you forbeing here . tonight, tonight. in a sense, i must tell you it saddens me that we have to stand here. and plead with members of the congress, both men and women that left washington before considering doingsomething about gun violence . the speaker of the house, the republican speaker of the house said if we want to win the election, let's go out and win the election. let's go out and win. i must tell you we had in our

power. we can do it. some people said we would never make it from selma to montgomery. some said we would never make it in washington in 1963. to get a civil rights bill passed. but we did it. and the march of the, the talking tongues. i just want to thank you, all of the witnesses that have been here tonight that have been witness to the truth that we would never ever give up. we will not leave, we will not be satisfied, we will not be paid until we get legislation passed on gun violence. we can do it. so i say to you on election day, all across our country

we must get out and vote like we never, ever voted before. we can do it. your vote is precious. it's almost sacred. it is themost powerful nonviolent instruments of rule we have in a democratic society and we must use it . use it. don't stay home. get up. and take someone to the polls with you. we can do it and we will win. i tell you my colleagues and my wonderful friend, my brother and sister here, we're not going anyplace. to sit in was only the beginning. some of us have suffered too long. some of us have seen too many

of our sisters and brothers, our mothers and fathers, our uncles and aunts and too many of our babies taken from us by gun violence. we don't want to see it anymore. and i tell you my colleagues, as long as i have strengthened my body i'm going to do my part to do what i can not just in my state of georgia for my native state of alabama but all across america, we can do it. we can win. let's win. don't give up. thank you very much. [applause] >> coming to the mic night right now from the baptist church will lead us in our closing song. one that all of us know so well.

[singing] this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine. this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine. this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine. let it shine, let it shine , let it shine. everywhere i go, yes . i'm going to let it shine. everywhere, oh yeah. i'm going to let it shine.

i said everywhere i go, you know i'm going to let it shine. let it shine, let it shine, let it shine. all around the world, yeah. i'm going to let it shine. all around the world, yeah yeah. i'm going to let it shine. all around the world. i'm going to let it shine. let it shine, let it shine, let it shine. [applause] [chanting] do your

job. do your job. do your job. do your job. >> tomorrow morning in new york city donald trump will announce indiana governor mike pence as his bikes presidential running mate. the announcement is at 11 am eastern time, see it live on c-span and next week donald trump and mike pence will be officially nominated as the republican presidential ticket ahead of the convention in cleveland, we got a look at the quicken loans arena. x we are outside the quicken loans arena and this is the

facility where the 2016 republican national convention is going to take place. standing on level iv of the quicken loans arena and we are in one of the suites, normally hospitality suite which of course is being converted for broadcast purposes for c-span and on this level there are some hospitality suites for guests but there are also about 30 broadcast media suites and i was involved in the early infighting you might say to get the suites for the media, get that share which is about normal, it's about what we normally do and while we get the total number, there are actually assigned individually to an intermediate process by the house radio and television gallery and c-span, they did very well by c-span in this location. the delegates will be seated facing, all of them facing the state which we call the podium. we call it the podium complex and while that seating chart has not been announced it usually is kind of a

handshake with people all facing. as you move out, they face inward toward the complex and you have files, the center aisle and side aisles so that people can move and the media who have floor passes can move and whatnot. so we will see that next week when the plan comes out and when the seats go down and when the state stanchions that show where the state will be and all the color will come in and take place to really get a view of it. there are a number of stand up broadcast positions and some of those are at floor level on each end, on the end zone's and then there are two huge network anchor boots at the far end for cnn and nbc, they opted for those positions, they cost them more to build obviously than the others. three others, fox, abc and cbs are in a level up in what

were handicap seating areas where they have built on them and we have other handicaps seating elsewhere of course in taking those positions so you have the broadcasters appear that are, we call them nonnetwork but that means they're not one of those five. there they may be affiliates of some of those in other words and then we have those same groupings with stand up positions on the floor and some of them on the upper level in handicap broadcasting areas as well so there everywhere. on the floor if you can see there are two major side camera stands and those will have television cameras on the front and still photographers on the upper tears read the same way that the center camera is standing if you cansee it from here that faces the podium , it will have a two pool camera television cameras and our house production camera on the front here and the upper tears will be still

photographers. the press seats are in, they are fixed positions with tables and electrical and internet capability all built-in and they are now decorated with those red white and blue and those stars, they look real fine. when the state reflects a trend that started in 1996 in san diego with steps in the front and those steps were put in and the podium that we call the state was lowered somewhat to give more of a feeling of openness, not like a 10 foot high battleship approach where you look down on the delegates and that has endured that wehad steps in every design sense then . it's the secular design, it was brought to us by executive producer phil and his company and the designer joe stewart from los angeles and another designer eddie canarsie from new york and

they have done this for us before and are experts at it. you can see it has large screens and has lighted steps and what we are seeing today is the tremendous way we can vary both of this with light, not just on the steps but everything, likes can change many colors throughout the state. as you will see, people will enter from one side and make a speech at the point and then exit from the other side and there's a small bandstand that one side where house band will keep the flavor and there could be other entertainment. we mentioned the lighting grid and other things that hang, i think the lighting truss itself is 140,000 pounds which reminds me of when we went into the houston astros in 1992 and in any event, they built rapidly and therewere no records to show what the ceiling would hold . the most they are hung on there was 40 or 50,000 pounds

and we were going to hang at least 125,000 pounds so we had to do all these major studies, you know, to see that would hold our weight and we did. there was also an acoustical disaster for convention type of thing because it wasn't built for spoken word at floor level and there was an echo in there and if you said something loudly at floor level it echoed throughout the place in some capacity for 17 seconds. sound would go in some of the crevices and come out like in an timber, louder than it went in and we had to deal with that. and that brings us to the fact that these sports arenas are more modern, this one is more modern and we had some acoustical improvements to make here for our particular sound from four level and they're going to work fine but we have been, i think this is our fifth straight convention in sports arena of approximately this size. after that we were into build

stadiums, that was the superdome in new orleans in 1988 and the astrodome in houston in 1992 but for now at least this has become the standard of what you see. we are and what is going to be known as media row and media row is an extension and variation what traditionally has been known as radio talkshow row and this time it was the idea of our communications director to very it and enhance it and make it more than just radio talk shows and it will have broadcast positions in here and also the digital media, the new angle of this is the digital age that will be in here there will be to find spaces of different variations and we have quite a

it's a huge problem when undergraduate education is the new standard to handle obtained success for a lot of people but so many people can afford it and it makes it even more tough for people to go on and attend graduate education and law school. so i think it's just really important to focus on the interest rate that seem to keep creeping up over time. so i just think it's really important to focus on lowering that student debt.

>> the next president should address health care. i think that was the issue. i know the last president tried to address this but i think that is becoming a big issue right now and a lot of people now are losing a lot of money especially medicare. so i think they need to address that and continue with that progress. >> one of the issues i believe the president should address is actually the veterans affairs, the va and how poorly the veterans come back now being treated at not necessarily by any individuals in particular. it's not necessarily a name that you can point out, just systematically, just the poor treatment of veterans not being given the benefit of the doubt for injuries or mental illnesses that a lot of times a fact more parts of their lives and kind of created negative quality-of-life as a whole.

so that's a think one of the issues. >> we have just heard a call to arms based on that platform and a call to us to really be successful in communicating and revealed to the american people the difference between this platform and the platform of the opposing party, which is nothing but a revamp and every issue and

the running of a late late show of the thing we have been hearing from them for the last 40 years. >> you have sent me on behalf of millions of your fellow americans to be the great crusader for freedom in america and freedom in the world. i know something of the solemn responsibility of leading a crusade. i have led one. >> donald trump officially announces indiana governor mike

pence as his vice presidential running mate tomorrow morning in new york. that's at 11:00 a.m. eastern live on c-span. >> all right let's move now to amendment number 37.1, number 37.1. this impacts rule 37 and it has been proposed by mr. ross of nevada, who is recognized for the purpose of making a motion. >> thank you madam chairman or to introduce amendment 37.1 as presented. >> is there a second? i hear a second.

all right, mr. ross would you like to address your amendment. >> thank you madam chairman. i am going to use the b word, fr binding., i i think it's fair. i think it is what millions of voters expect. while i have enjoyed up to this point the many and variedpa theological discussions on how many parliamentary angels can dance on the head of the parliamentary pin, it's time to put an end to those discussions and to clarify once and for all this amendment for the following rule that inserts the identical language in to that rule is meant to do just that eerie getf to address arguments that havehe been going on for years about whether or not the rules of ourg party permit binding or not.

this amendment and a companion amendment for rule 38 will dothh just that. in this particular case, the arguments that the rights of certain delegates to demand roll call somehow allow them to invalidate their binding wouldti be put to rest. i am a politician. the voters in my constituency and the caucasus and art constituency voted overwhelmingly for mr. donald trump. i have no intention of returning to those people whom i rely on to keep me in office by tellinge them i had some part in shredding their votes. it's time after all these years to put an end to this. let's give the people what they expect, that their votes count.

i don't mean to be bitter about this and i don't mean to besettr confrontational but for heaven's sakes, the argument needs to be settled one way or the other. thank you madam chairman. >> thank you sir. the mastermind by counsel that a the 9:30 deadline is rapidly approaching and if you are in te line at the help desk at the stroke of 9:30 they will help you finish your amendment. if you walk up at 9:30 and 10 seconds, you will not have the opportunity to have your amendment drafted. is everyone clear on that procedure? excellent.ne who all right we have had a motion made and seconded. is there anyone who rises in opposition to the amendment? is there anyone who rises in opposition to the amendment?n s.

seeing none, is there anyone else who rises in support of the amendment? mr. ash. >> madam chairman, embers of our committee, and 56 contests across the country into the caribbean and out to the pacific, donald trump one almost 14 million votes. he nearly doubled the vote total of his nearest competitor. he surpassed the number of delegates required by over 300 delegates and yet among some there seems to be some sort of question whether or not he is the presumptive nominee. there has been a lot of battling back and forth. there have been a lot of e-maila that we get an constant harassment from various people across the country. in arizona, we had a presidential election were donald trump -- donald trump received over 50% of votes casts in that election contests.

by state law, all 58 delegates in arizona are required to vote for donald trump on the first ballot. donald trump is the presumptive nominee. there should be absolutely no question as to who we are going to cast our votes for. as republicans we oftentimes give our elected officials a hard time about campaigning one way and governing another. it has delegates, we were selected, elected by our state conventions and whatever manner in which we arrived here. we only had to perform one function and out was to vote for the candidate that we were bounl to. i urge all of us to vote for this amendment and for the

following and to get this matter finally understood across the country. thank you. >> thank you mr. ash. is there anyone who would like to rise in opposition? is there anyone who would like to rise in opposition? mr. hoglund. yes, madam chairman. i rise in opposition to this because primarily it seeks to link a preconvention rule to a convention rule, and i just submitted an amendment to this very same topic that provides satisfaction within rule 37 and within the conventional rules, completely and without mixing preconvention rules with convention rule so therefore i would urge the defeat of this one and in anticipation of the complete proper way to do this, which i am sure all of you guys

will embrace. >> i am sure they will embrace and debate what is the proper way to do this. thank you mr. hoglund. is there others who wish to rise in support of this amendment? mr. blackwell. >> thank you madam chairman. this matter has obviously been the subject of more preconvention publicity than any rules matter ever in living memory. changed it is obviously an important issue. people have changed sides on the issue. there were people like me whore wished to repeal the requirements and the rules that were passed by the romney campaign, which prevented legitimate delegates, folks --

votes being counted if they cast their vote for somebody who hadn't met the greatly increased threshold. that position i attempted in april of 2013 to pass an omnibus repeal of all the amendments that the romney people passed that we could repeal. but circumstances change. i moved at our meeting in april it's a rifle shot amendment to the rules, focused just on that disenfranchisement of delegates which caused hundreds of delegates to not have their votes counted at the tampa convention. as the primaries progressed it became clear that the operation of the rules was going to have

two candidates who would qualify, trump and cruz and suddenly from the establishment forces came the idea that there are no rules to be changed. the convention writes its own rules and that lasted until it was perceived that the cruz and some people might have a a majority of this convention and the establishment positions changed and chairman said we should not amend the rules. we should not amend the rules. in my judgment these rules for the nominating process of the convention can be amended and only one of two ways. >> the. >> the gentleman's time has expired.d. >> after a battle which could split this party. >> mr. black while i'm sorry. >> thank you madam chairman. >> thank you mr. blackwell. staff is just handed me the following sticky. two minutes until the

9:30 deadline. we we are going to strictly enforce this. two minutes. thank you mr. blackwell. is there someone who wishes to rise in opposition? anyone wish to rise in opposition?>> seeing none, are there those who would wish to speak in support? mr. scheffler. >> thank you madam chairman. steve scheffler from iowa. i too like mr. blackwell was opposed to binding but based ona the fact that 22 of the 28 delegates for the national convention in 2012 from iowa voted for the candidate who came in third place even though they did everything legally buy theiy book, it was an embarrassment and i don't want to see that happen again. in my state it's a purple state. there's a new poll that came out a couple of days ago that donald trump is leading by two points and i understand that we have

these candidates all vetted. i want to remind anybody what phyllis chef lou who is as conservative as anybody or more so than anybody in his room and she said if you're looking for a perfect candidate you won't find jesus christ name on the ballot on november 8. the people that up and sending these e-mails, it's over, folks. we need to get behind our candidate and i guess it allrmeb came, all the birds came to roost when i was informed by "the wall street journal" three weeks ago that they ran a negative ad against me.in one of these unbinding of the delegates and no offense to anybody that lives on the east coast or the west coast if your dialect is different than mine but for pete's sakes why would you have somebody come into my state who understands how peoplm talk with a midwestern accent and bring somebody from newcc jersey with a distinctive, harsh new jersey accent to beat up on me? day o it isn't like i wasn't transparent from day one.

i told people when this binding took effect where i was sad and people in my state supported me overwhelmingly and i just have to tell you it's an insult. it's over. let's get behind our nominee right now.th thank you. >> and q. mr. scheffler. are there others who wish to speak in opposition? in opposition? seeing none, are there those who wish to speak in support lacks the lady right here. >> rhode island. as many of these people, fine people have received, i personally have received 440 e-mails to unbind etc.. i want you to know that i answered every single one of them and the responses back were not nice. i was very respectful. let me just say this. i will not turn my back on 14.1 million people that voted for donald trump.

i will not. i was elected to be a trumpmp delegates by our state law. i cannot do anything to unbind and my constituency at least 300 texted me and e-mailed me. i mean from my state that voted for donald trump and said you had better not vote against donald trump. so i strongly urge us to beginoy hugging the person next to us, do it colon by yakima be unified, be happy. we have a better nominee than the democrats. >> thank you.pe are there any people who wish to speak in support? or excuse me, in opposition? anyone who wishes to speak in opposition?

the gentleman who rise to support? >> yes. >> pajamas recognize. >> my name is matt hall and i'm from michigan. it's an honor to be here and i wanted to speak in favor of this motion. donald trump one michigan overwhelmingly and we had rules as a convention body and a parte that those voters came to the polls in reliance on those rules and that included binding. so are voters, our state party when we made rules, our state when we had a taxpayer-funded primary and all the candidatess and their strategies relied upon these rules which included binding. and so when i was elected as a delegate what was clear to me is that we have a responsibility to honor that commitment that we

made to our voters and rules that we will honor their vote and the vote will count. and therefore i only intend to support mr. trump and support the binding under the current rules, and i call the previous question. >> thank you, a previous question is in order. we will immediately move to a vote on closing debate. all those in favor of closing debate on amendment 37.1 say aye. those opposed, nay. vot he ayes clearly have it. we will now vote i'm going to call for a standing vote on this. will that suffice mr. black while? [inaudible] >> on previous question?

all right, we will hold a standing boat. we are moving to vote on the main motion. all those in favor of adopting amendment 37.1, please stand. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> please be seated. all those opposed, please stand. [inaudible conversations]

thank you. please be seated. the tally of the vote is as follows, the ayes are 87, the nays are 12. the motion passes. >> madam chairman. [applause] >> yes, sir. >> i would like to move to lay on the table a motion to reconsider. >> the parliamentarian just told me the form of the motion is incorrect. what is it that you would like to achieve? >> i want to and discussion on this thing that we just voted on. i do not want to have a motion to reconsider, 10 minutes or 10e hours from now. >> so you would like to make a

motion to reconsider at this time? >> i would like to lay on the table. i don't care to have a vote. >> i'm afraid we can't do that. if you want to and if you'd need to make a motion to reconsider and we would vote again. >> with that and any further discussion? >> yes, it would create. >> i understand if the gentlemen were to make a motion to reconsider and then you would vote with the majority and you have decided to vote no onon reconsideration that would and. >> correct. >> okay, i'm a slow learner. >> may request information? am i not correct madam chairmano that in a motion to reconsider only those persons who voted against it can vote for it or do i have that backwards? >> no the motion must be made by those who voted on the prevailing side so if mr. oc

voted in favor he is eligible to make and motion to reconsider. >> so only the people who voted against the motion cannot vote for this motion to reconsider. >> they cannot move to --. >> mr. ocee? >> i moved to reconsider. >> is there a second? it's been moved and seconded. we will move directly to the motion to reconsider.>> >> when we say this discussion is over, what does that mean? co >> name and state police. >> ted brown from alaska. >> it means that we cannot reconsider this particular amendment. >> all right, thank you. >> all those in favor of reconsidering this amendment, mr. ocee do you have another point to make? >> madam chairman for everybody's identification, if i

vote on this and it means that we take it up again. a no float means we don't take it up again. >> that is correct. >> thank you for the clarification. >> so all those in the of her of the motion to reconsider, meaning and aye vote means if you want to reconsider and p reopen debate, all of those please say aye. those opposed, nay. not at all close. the no's have it.:30 p. all right, just for everybody's information, we have passed our. 9:30 deadline. my understanding is that very few amendments came in at that point. there are still a few cominghe through the process. we will just continue to move forward.

amendment number 38.1, 38.1.m co it's an amendment to rule number 38 submitted by the lady from colorado ms. unruh who was recognized for the purpose of making a motion. >> ms. unruh? is ms. unruh here?read >> i am can does unruh from the state of colorado and i would like to -- i can't read it. i would like to add the language

to rule number 38 to add that,, which is. insert the sentence at the end of rule 38 notwithstanding any other provision of these rules or rule of the u.s. house of representatives the right of each delegate and alternate delegate to vote their conscience on all matters shall not be in inference door and peered by any state party rule, state law, ruling by the national convention chair or any other method. >> verez benet vote. is there a second? there has been a vote and a second. >> does anybody need any information about the conscious klaus? obviously this is a very important topic to the hearts of many americans because we have f been inundated with all the e-mails that flooded our e-mailf boxes about heartfelt convictions from americans and t patriots from all walks of life

who truly believe in the rights of conscience and the right of conscience is something that we have decided is something that is the very basis of our nationo it is why the pilgrims came here and founded our nation. it is a god-given right and it's why we have the bill of rights. it is why you cannot force a doctor to perform abortions when it's against his right to conscience. you cannot cannot force the mennonites to go into the draft. it is systemically the right of every single american and what this says is it allows people to exercise that right and not be bound by state laws. .. take it

extraordinarily seriously, the sanctity of their boats. i am asking that you regard this as the sanctity of the vote that is reflected in the duty and obligation of each of age delegate to cast a ballot according to their conscience. that is a god-given right that should not be taken away by the rnc, by any party or by the state. it has been ruled even with the recent court ruling in virginia that the state cannot actually overstepped the boundary and determined the outcome of those, to be left to a delegate alone. >> thank you. are there any who wish to rise in opposition? the gentleman from michigan. >> thank you, madam chairman. donald trump can win this election and be our next president of the united states in order to do that we need to

allow the record number of republican voters who voted for donald trump in our primary to have their voice heard.pr h and that means honoring the rules and the commitment of our party to bind the delegates and make their vote count. and accordingly, i need to call the previous question. >> previous question is in order. we will move immediately to a vote on the previous question. all of those in favor of the previous question in the debate on this manner please i go. any opposed? the chair is in doubt and will have a standing vote. previous question does require a two-thirds majority to pass. all of those in favor of ending debate on this matter please stand. oh, goodness.

thank you. please be seated. all those opposed to previous

question please stand. >> thank you. you may be seated. the votes are as follows.

in favor of previous question 77.ho those opposed 21. it's clear two-thirds majority. previous question passes and we will now move to an immediate vote on the amendment. all those in favor of adopting amendment 38.1 as submitted, please sit aye. all those opposed? clearly than they still have it. -- nays habit. we will take a standing vote. they tell me i don't have to. because of already declared it and it is clear. all right, we have encountered. we stood. we will move forward. i mimicked 38.2 -- yes. >> i move to reconsider. i was on the prevailing side. i moved to reconsider. >> is there a second?

there is the notion and second. all those in favor of reconsideration which means an aye vote means we can reopen and continue to discuss this andscus ended. and nay vote means we have finally concluded any debate on this amendment permanently. all those in favor of reconsideration please sit aye. all those opposed nato. and nays clearly haven't. there'this to further reconsiden of this particular amendment. let's move forward now to amendment 38.2. this impacts again rule 30.. it has been proposed who is recognized for purpose of making a motion. >> yes madam chairman. thank you. i've decided to introduce a logo [laughter] i'm just waiting for the amendment to come up. by the way, if anybody is

asking, i despise this logo and i've since i am 30. i apologize, that was out of order. i have to get a new one. big, tough, mean looking elephant with tasks. >> you need to check out liberty which is the outfit on the cleveland 2016 local. he is not mean looking but he standing on a guitar. >> that's an improvement but, you know, my job title is the state with. >> can we get this up? >> the sooner we can get it out i will shut up.il there you go. madam chair, i introduce rule 38 with you as presented. >> thank you. is there a second? it's been moved and seconded. would you like to speak to your amendment? >> thank you, madam chair. the language in this is

precisely the same as in the minute of rule 30 7a. for those who voted in favor i think you ask you both again. of those who chose not to support it, i just want to go on the record saying i understandan your concerns and i feel that when this is all over there is no more division on this, we are all republicans and republicans every individual. that's a fact of life we can have honest differences. when we walked out of we all walk out of your together. we i am asking to have this to clarify on the issue. we did clarify the issue on the roll call. let's clear by the issue -- i have to but my glasses back on. there's been some contention for some time that the unit rule inherently prohibits binding. i have said for years it doesben not. but there have been arguments on both sides. begin as i said before with rule

37 it's time to put this to arrest. let's go ahead and simply settle the question once and for all. i needed know that my constituents when they walk in, again, the millions of people who vote, they are not like rules nerds like me, okay? and a couple of other people in this room. they are not playing inside baseball. they go in and vote for bill jones. if he wins the majority of the expected to be the candidate. if they vote for mary smith and she gets the most they expect her to win. that's all i'm asking. i asked for a yes vote. thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. ross. would anyone like to rise in opposition?op >> i would like to move an amendment to this rule, motion. >> please state your amendment. >> i would like to amend the anti-rule to repeal it. >> that is not germane to this particular amendment. you would need to move to strike

the entire clause after we have dealt with this particular item. >> thank you. >> thank you. is there anyone else who wishes to rise in opposition or support for this amendment? mr. lee. >> i rise in opposition to this amendment. i think it's important for us to member as members of this committee we can make any change, and he will reward.we cn as delegates, we can choose to vote for whomever we choose on the floor ultimately, assuming the rules allow that. a lot of the focus today has been understandably on expanding our party and making its appeal broader, making those who have felt excluded from it feel more included. and that's important. we send the opposite signalke or every time we take all rules and we clamp down our rules.

further we make it less possible for delegates to exercise their right to have a voice in this process. now, i think elections are absolutely important. they are essential, fundamental. delegates traditionally and historically been considered honor bound to fall the outcome of the state's primary election. they overwhelmingly have done so, but historically it has also been the case of the delegates have retained some option, some choice on their own, to make their own decisions. in the unusual event that they find some coaches binding reason why they can't do that. at the en end of the day we hava number that it's important foror our presidential nominees, first when the primary spending to win over the delegates. it almost always happens. i hope whoever our nominee is going to be this time will, in fact, went over the delegates. but rules like this are not going to help that.

this problem, this angst as we'll see in today's is just going to go we because we paper over it with the rules. so i say to mr. trump and those allied with him, make the case, make the case that they should use their voices to support them. don't make the case that theas voices should be silence. that's not going to help it is not going to help elect him president. it's not going to help our party in the long run. thank you. >> thank you. is there anyone who wishes -- yes, please. >> thank you. spent is there anyone who wishes to rise in support of the amendment? i have great respect for senator lee, as we all do for representing our conservative values. but i have to take issue withe you on something. my understand is that you represent the grassroots, and

yet whether to understand about your logic is you want to ignore whatever the grassroots which are millions and millions and a millions of voters who voted fol donald trump. and instead transfer the opinion and expression of that opinion through a vote to a coupleegate. thousand delegates. now, to me if we are really representing the grassroots and we're really representing conservatism, we listen to those voices and exercise our responsibility. but morethse importantly we adve the conservative cause. the only way to advance the conservative cause is through at strong republican party that is united to defeat hillary clinton and the democrats this fall. that's the only way to do it. [applause]o one el sir, there is nobody else running for president in this party right now than donald trump. no other person has said i am running, i will accept your nomination. nobody is vetting vice

presidents. nobody is raising money withwi republican national committee to prepare for the battle which begins in two months with early voting. i have been evolved into conservative movement since 1972, 44 years, a precinct chair, a door knock her, aa memr member of the reagan youth brigade here at the last convention. i will target the most important thing to me is we don't let the left wing take over our country, this haul.only thi the only thing that stand between that happened is our victory with our nominee and our ticket.in it is time for you and everyone else to come together to say this party will be united and wd will defeat the democrats and these motions are the way to do. thank you. and i do applaud you for your service. [applause] >> thank you. is there anyone who rises inoppi opposition, in opposition? are you rising in opposition? >> yes. as a matter of the koran would

like to request that future comments by speakers be directed to the chair. i have a question if the sponsor would yield. >> with the sponsor yield to a question? >> is a clarifying question. i met.ha >> -- [inaudible] spent ask it through the chair. ask it to the chair and i will direct it to him. >> the question is with regard to the language in the amendment, nothing individual shall be -- pursuant to rule 16 a. no, reading the rule correctly that that binding could be either through state law, state rule, or just the result of the primary absent any state law or state rule? you are still bound by the result of the primary? are those all three ways that you can be bound under rule 16-a that we are enshrined with this and? >> that seems to be required

illegal opinion. would you like to address that? >> the gentleman is correct. because the national party rules all we serve as primary. the national party rules incorporate the primaries -- the national post incorporate the primary results. national rules always supersede any state law to the contrary or in this case where there's a contrary rule in the state party rules to the contrary spirit itr regardless if there is no state law and no state rule that binds delegates from state to the outcome of the primary theyy would nonetheless be bound to the result of the primary pursuant to the national? >> that is what the national rules provide. >> thank you. >> anyone who would like to rise in support? i am in support spent would you

like to see anything else and? >> not. yes, i would. a house divided against itself shall not stand. when i came into this, i was asked by one that was helping mr. cruz. if mr. cruz come senator cruz win, woul which about 40. and i said absolutely yes. and i said when mr. trump wins, would you? because i know the binding is only as good as her work and she said i would.k i need to ask all of you, excus me, as i'm very emotional about this. i need to ask you, are we going to do this together or are wee going to be divided? for the law says, the rule says that you are legally bound to whom? to your candidate whom you are standing with.

for whom you were walking with. of old as good as my word come and ask you to be as good as your word, house divided against itself shall not stand. he he is the nominee because he won 1543 delegates, and 14 million people came and they voted for him. so why cannot we as a party come together with the rnc and everyone else and get together and show the whole world and the universe that we are a party not divided but we are a party of one. thank you. [applause] >> thank you. the republican national convention starts monday in cleveland. every minute of the convention gavel to gavel live on c-span. you can listen on the c-span radio app and get video on demand. right now on c-span2 more from the republican party's rules committee.

we will take a look at some of the debate from yesterday about whether lobbyists should be allowed to serve on republican national committee. >> the chair recognizes mr. hudson and they were just going to go back and forth between these microphones until everyone who's had a chance to speak gets the opportunity. >> thank you, madam chair. susi hansen from vermont. i rise in opposition to this amendment for the reason that it's been stated this amendment empowers the grassroots. but by telling them who they can or cannot vote for how exactlyow are we empowering them? were actually taking away candidate they consider votingng for and so i would encourage you to vote against this amendment. >> steve from new hampshire. some the points they made before but let's start with the basic one. we are elected by our state.e bt in new hampshire to our 550 people who get to vote. we are home to a lot of gun

manufactures the article you say that because somebody worked in the government relations department in the state capital in new hampshire they are ineligible to serve? some states have considered that. virginia has a law. i believe indiana does. but that doesn't mean we should impose that on everyone else. it's important to keep in mind that in some states if you're an employee in a from let's say a law firm and there's one lobbyist whose a lobbyist and your a trust a state where you are deemed a lobbyist because you're a member of the firm and you would be disqualified. i want to think about the fallacy of saying we're solving this problem with the not-for-profit exemption. under this rule someone who is w registered lobbyist for planned parenthood, who many of you would find perhaps not a good fit on this committee could run for office but somebody who's a lobbyist in the state capital could not. it's manifestly unfair.

the other thing to keep in mind is that if we're going to startt accusing people who are engaged in the honorable profession of lobbying, of being ineligible, we should look at the pernicious influence of people who do business with our committee.oo vendors are people who are paid by some for entities like this that will committee, the governor's association, republicans overseas. to our members here who have contracts with them and vendors that's the slope, that would be much more offensive than being a lobbyist to understand when to vote no on this amendment. >> is there anyone else who rises in support? >> madam chairman? i speak in support but i would like to offer an amendment for p consideration. >> that is in order. >> i want to go with the microphone over because my ayes were so bad i can't see. >> please. we want you to see what you would like to do. >> what i propose is where it

says providing lobbying services to others, they were sinners shall be ineligible to serve as a member of the republican national committee as a proxy, that be struck and simply say don't put anything up just yet but my concept is just to provide disclosure, okay? a simple disclosure statement which is not unusual -- okay. that's great. which is not unusual for almosty any organization that many of us belong to back an hour respective communities. i just -- >> i'm going to ask you to come to the counsel's table and work. out the specific language while we allow others who have already been stand in line for quite sometime some of them to be able to express their opinions and then when you have that drafted we will come back to your motion.e >> i would ask we not call for the previous question and get cut off in the meantime.

>> all right. the chair would ask individuals not to move for previousast questions until mr. ash has had an opportunity to present his amendment. that chair will recognize mrs. davidson from ohio. >> earlier in this week at the republican national committee we adopted a resolution. and that resolution stated what i think many of us believe very strongly, that federal regulations on businesses and sl other entities are hurting our economy. we felt that was unfair. now, if you are not permitting people to serve in the republican national committee, that maybe have represented somr of these interests like the national federation of independence or a chamber of commerce or the local businesses depend upon them to represent them, obviously or the farmers, our agricultural community to

testify why those regulations are not needed and try to protect themselves so that they can continue to profit and for fight for jobs and get a strong economy we want to am not quite sure what we are trying to do. >> thank you. is any but al's would like to speak in support? the lady over here, you've already spoken once and we need to let everyone else an opportunity to speak before we t can give you a second opportunity to speak. mr. yue? >> the national committee newna hampshire -- could be paid outrl of contract -- >> this is not a point of personal privilege. >> may i speak with no, i'm sorry. is not the point of personal privilege. if you have a point of personal privilege you may bring but you cannot use a point of personalan privilege to make arguments. all right. we recognize the lady standing

at this microphone. >> pat thomas from missouri. i would like to do with my colleagues here, and thank you for serving on this committee, to realize that why we differentiate between for-profit and not-for-profit? we've had many people here today to talk about money grabs and big government and all these issues. many not-for-profit take much more administrative dollars from our tax dollars, and too many of us we would actually say they d misuse them to a larger degree.e so for that reason i would urge you to vote no on thisdegree, amendment. >> anyone else who has not spoken previously who rises to speak in support? the gentleman here.ly >> thank you. thank you, madam chairman.n. first i want to thank you for allowing this debate to happensu and also thank mr. evans from georgia for his graciousness of withdrawing his amendment and allowing this debate to happen. i have a question.

i would love to hear fromba perhaps some of those folks who oppose this or maybe i knowi there's some folks on the campaign, the gentleman from messages as i think i would love to hear what our presumptive nominee donald trump's position on this is. i heard him speak about lobbyists more than i can count, and i tend to agree. i would love to hear if anybody here knows what his position would be on this resolution. or this rule. i would love to hear it. thank you, madam chairman. >> i am not certain that it is in order to have someone else speak for someone who is not a member of the committee and is not present. if anyone wants to cross that bridge i guess we will try it when we get there. that chair recognizes the gentleman from nevada. >> thank you, madam chair. where on earth do i begin? i'm a constable in nevada. have testified in front of the legislature on legislation that? affects councils.ha i represent all the room

councils i in the world without. i have to register as a lobbyist to speak o on bills that affecty own agency. i do get paid. no, it paid a lobbyist? governments don't have. i showed the legislation last year that made nevada competitive. i get to retain the profit from office which is not bad because of without. i would to a democratic constable, eating over and said, go visit some in a now trusted, i am profit-making. nonpaid nonprofit paid, paid lobbyist to i could drive a truck through this stuff. it's so vague it makes no sense of the don't get me wrong. the last days i've been doing nothing to anybody from immediate in your bad mouthing the consultant industrial complex, okay? i understand the problem but this is like what we're trying to do throwing out rule 12.

it's a crude instrument that it doesn't address the problems that don't even get me started with his views with state rights. if someone is a lobbyist, their state party wants to elect them, whose business is it?by it's off the hook, it'sr state outrageous. i'm sure well-intentioned. what's a nonprofit? do you know what was the president of the common core pays more in income taxes than d take home. again, what is even nonprofit name? i urge a plan to vote no. >> icq were people at the microphones have not yet spoken. i like to give them the opportunity to speak and then we were turned to the amendment if there are no objections. wonderful. i'd like to recognize this lady. i'm not sure what state you are from but you're about to tell me. >> from mississippi. and have been a worker in the

republican party for my use and you can tell i'm not in use anymore. i have always felt that we started the grassroots. i believe in the grassroots. and when we elect our people, we start in our county. and i'm a member of the hancock county republican executive of committee. we go to our state convention. we elect our representatives to go to the state. that is about as grassroots as you can get.re we go to our states and would represent them.we as a delegate to the statebefore convention, i ask my county, who do they want to support for our national committee man and woman, as well as the other elected people that we do. so i think it is grassroots.e wm

i think it's a states' rights and to think that's where it ought to stay. >> thank you. that chair recognizes the gentleman at the back of the out microphone. >> thank you, madam chairwoman. among other things i am a party at turning in delaware as a result of work with our legislators quite a bit in the general smb. legislative process. one thing that i will say pols be a little bit about away the rnc conducts its business, this rules committee meets once every four years.ha a lot of times the legislative process is strengthened by reflection, collaboration and looking at things more carefully because one of the things we all have to avoid is the law of unintended consequences. for example, in delaware you are a lobbyist if you go down to the genoa summit, you work for a a company and your bosses dig to

go down and testified about this bill.ork for congratulations, you are paid. you're speaking on behalf of legislation. industry you have to register as a lobbyist. if a client of mine as they did go down to the general assembly, i'm a lawyer but sadly i've got to register as a lobbyist even though i might do it only for one collide once every two or bu we heard the gentleman from maine. they have a different definition. i don't know what the definition requirements are in west virginia are nevada. they are a patchwork but people may get caught in this is so indefensibly they are off the rnc. more important ago, if any, if it ain't broke don't fix it. i wonder if this rule is a solution in search of a problem. nobody has pointed out to me any problem at the rnc has had, t nobo problem that a state has had in electing its members of the rnc and i