[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. back from vacation. let's take a look at my old papers. what! jacki schechner why wasn't i told there was going to be news last week? >> we knew it was going to be heavy news when you leave. that always happens. >> we didn't know this three months ago when we planned that vacation. >> welcome back. we missed you. >> stephanie: i asked roland to gay marry me over vacation. >> and he said -- >> stephanie: he said yes because in honor of prop 8, that

would be the gayest marriage ever in that he's gay and i'm gay. >> he's got the show tunes thing down. >> stephanie: exactly. he will torture me with show tunes. >> you guys would be the most sexless marriage ever. i hear the sex dies after marriage. >> stephanie: based on his toes alone -- man has never had a pedicure in his life. we have some things to talk about. here she is in the current news center, jacki schechner. >> good morning, everybody. unfortunately, we do have a solemn note to start this morning. 19 firefighters have died in arizona battling a wildfire about 18 miles northwest of phoenix. it is the largest loss of fire crews in the united states since 9-11. >> we're devastated. we just lost 19 of some of the finest people you'll ever meet. right now we're in crisis. >> lightning sparked the fire on friday. high heat combined with low humidity and strong winds pushed the blaze across some 2,000

acres. the firefighters lost were carried into the blaze. they had deployed their emergency fire shelters, digging holes covered with fire resistant material when the fast moving elements overwhelmed them. in addition to the devastating loss of life, the fire has destroyed some 250 homes and evacuated some 50 more. president obama still traveling through africa has released a statement sending his thoughts and prayers to the families of those we have lost. he said the federal government helping state and local officials. the firefighters killed in the line of duty he says arer isless heroes who put themselves in harm's way to protect strangers. meanwhile, president obama has arrived in tanzania. the third and final stop on his trip through africa. he's meeting the nation's president and holding a forum with business leaders. coincidentally, president george w. bush is also in the tanzanian capital today. he's there for a separate

conference. no word yet on whether the two will meet up. we're back with more show after the break.

this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the

minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right? ♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ ♪ don't let it get away ♪ >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." what's happened in the news. i'm looking a my old papers. what! why wasn't i told. gay american is -- my old timey newspaper comes in handy. i come home and i page through my old papers. >> or you could have seen a web site while you were on vacation. >> stephanie: i could have. welcome back from vacation, everybody. wow! as is historically the case we

go away on vacation and every major news story in the world breaks. >> of course. >> very true. >> stephanie: i made the big announcement, could i have my butter commercial music. i made the announcement during the top of the hour, now that prop 8 has fallen, i have asked sexy liberal tour director roland to marry me and he said yes. what better way to honor the gayest marriage ever. he's gay. i'm really gay. really, big gay marriage. >> did alec baldwin have anything to say about it? >> stephanie: we'll get to that story. oh dear. lots of news. but what -- [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] jim, who said after years of unjust and unlawful discrimination, gay and less -- lesbian californians will no longer be treated as second class citizens. the denial of the fundamental right harms gay americans and the children they're raising. our constitution guarantees liberty and equality for all and today that promise was fulfilled

for tens of thousands of gay and less buyian californians and their families who said that. >> uncle arthur. >> stephanie: that's a really good guess but no. [ applause ] that would be david boies, one of the coattorneys. by the way we'll have ted boutros-ghali on the show. ted olson's partner. law partner. >> stephanie: important to point that out. especially these days. >> especially since they're both conservatives. >> stephanie: he will take us through everything that happened last week. it is still incredible. by the way, of course, the breaking -- [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] i was like gay american started on friday. wasn't back from vacation yet. so immediately just saying, they tried to stop it. >> you know who filed -- it was a group called the alliance for freedom. >> stephanie: freedom to be homophobes. >> they want to take away the freedom to marry.

>> stephanie: whatever. ironically ironically named freedom group. >> freedom from gays. >> stephanie: the party started. woot, on friday. then they tried to stop it. >> it didn't not work. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: anthony kennedy denied a request from prop 8 supporters in california to halt the issuance of same-sex marriage in the nation's most populous state. he turned away the decision with no comment. except for this comment. >> you're a loser. >> stephanie: bye, bye thanks for coming. see ya! i'll bet you had a lot of comments and thoughts in his thought bubble. >> all right bye-bye now okay, then. loser! >> stephanie: i'm thinking probably his inside voice ha a lot of additional comments. his outside voice not so much. >> computer says no. >> stephanie: at any rate, a tee and then a hee.

[ ♪ nah nah nah nah nah ♪ ] >> stephanie: remember the 2008 -- jim, are you here? pay attention. >> i'm listening. >> stephanie: he's still look at vacation porn. >> i'm looking at maps of maui for a reason. >> stephanie: oh, because jim vacationed in hawaii and apparently tom brokaw may have thoughts on the l words. >> you are surprisingly untan -- [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> stephanie: focus back on this l word, lesbian. over here, over here! [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] what was i saying? what was my point? >> i wasn't paying attention to you either. >> stephanie: okay. everybody, we're back from vacation. pay attention. look alive everybody because by the way mama's back. the mooks are back. ♪ did you hear that stephanie's back in town ♪ ♪ steph's back in town ♪ ♪ steph is back in town ♪ >> hooray! ♪ mama's back, the mooks are

back ♪ >> stephanie: sort of. ♪ steph is back in town ♪ ♪ guess who just got back today ♪ ♪ stephanie and the mooks hip hip, harry ♪ ♪ they were off for a week ♪ ♪ i might lose my okay but i held it together ♪ ♪ clooney is the grand marshal -- chris kluwe is the grand marshal of the parade ♪ ♪ mama's back in town ♪ ♪ the mooks are back in town ♪ ♪ not much happening ♪ ♪ mama's back in town ♪ ♪ the mooks are back in townsend ♪ the books are back in town ♪ [ applause ] >> stephanie: i was at canyon ranch. >> you were. >> stephanie: in tucson, arizona. really sad sad thing in

phoenix. 19 firefighters died. >> up in prescott. two hours north of phoenix. >> stephanie: the heat wave started while we were still there. since 9-11, that's biggest loss of life. >> for firefighters. >> stephanie: 19 firefighters died in phoenix. >> in prescott. near phoenix. >> stephanie: can i say canyon ramp greatest place in the entire -- we had the greatest vacation ever. roland and hot brie came with us and we hiked and i almost killed both of them on a hike. which was good because normally i just try to kill roland. a lot of hiking and biking. we're going to post a picture of me with a face mask on. not a hockey mask. like a facial -- >> mardi gras mask. >> stephanie: you could faux show shop that. -- you could photo shop that. feel free.

anyway, really fun pictures. oh, here is a guessing game. maybe we should give away a brazilian power crystal for the first call they're knows. this he don't serve wine because it is supposed to be a little -- >> healthy. >> stephanie: right. so we always stop and get wine. guess how many bottles of wine we got for the three of us at the week at canyon ranch. >> 1,000. >> stephanie: that's a bad guess. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: you know what? i'm going to give something away for whoever guesses the closest guess, how many bottles of wine on the wall, how many bottles of wine -- okay. >> what do we have to give away? word gets out we have the hootch in our room. >> can't you walk down to the circle k and go et some wine? >> no. that would be extra exercise that you didn't plan for. not scheduled. >> but you go there for exercise. >> we stop on the way from the maricopa airport. are you kidding me? >> didn't you hike a 10,000 foot

peak? >> yes. >> why can't you walk down to the corner? >> stephanie: it is no mount halle ac la. there are big peaks. when you're driving up to the mountain, it says don't drive impaired and it is a martini glass with a line through it. but it is specifically a martini glass. >> i'm sure instead of a line, you saw a straw. >> stephanie: i'm good with wine. i don't drink martinis. all right. i had a point before we started on this. thank you canyon ranch. here's the other thing, there is a little pond that you can -- they have fish and turtles and we go to feed our pretzels and it was just like syria. because the fish were kind of like -- it is hard to pick a side because the tut urls are cute and the fish are tholingish and they knock the turtling out

of the way and so we arm just the turtles. it is a complicated situation. i was drinking a lot so i didn't think through the whole syria thing but i'm saying -- >> kind of sounds like -- >> stephanie: we went at night and only the fish were up so we sort of armed both sides of the revolution. you can see how it can be complicated. >> injure's just like john mccain. injure -- you're just like john mccain getting your pictures taken with the kidnappers. >> stephanie: i was like here! oh! >> you don't hear that phrase every day. you don't hear that -- i almost lost a finger to a turtle because i was drunk. >> mitch mcconnell. >> stephanie: magically come back to the pointives going to make. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] in terms of the supreme court rulings, i thought was ironic, you remember in 2008, we were all so excited at least on our side about the first black president of the united states. and it was -- you know, euphoric

celebration and then we realize what happened to gay people in california. and that was -- a bit of a buzzkill. it harshed our collective buzz. and this past week was such a huge week for gay rights that the voting rights thing is huge. we need to talk about that. it really -- you know, it is a real step back. >> yeah, it is. >> stephanie: in terms of that civil rights. it was just an interesting -- >> thing. >> stephanie: i'm doing this with my hands. >> maybe? >> stephanie: right. cattywampas somehow. >> cattycattywampasness. >> stephanie: exactly. i got through the first break after vacation. i'm still -- >> drunk. >> stephanie: oh okay, wait! we have guesses. hang on a second. [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] guess how many bottles of wine. hot brie and roland and i got on vacation at canyon ranch. here we go. ken in thed adirondacks, go ahead.

>> caller: welcome back, steph and the mooks. mine is 54. four and a half cases. >> stephanie: 54. i beg your pardon. >> caller: not including boxes of wine. >> i am not a drunk. >> stephanie: that is a really bad guess. >> high or low? >> stephanie: that's high. >> higher than that? >> stephanie: no, 54 bottles for a week. >> so it is lower than 54. >> stephanie: mary ann you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: good morning, stephanie. love your show. i have 72. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: all right, thank you, mary ann and good-bye. oh, my god really? >> you have a reputation. >> stephanie: brett in chicago. what is your guess? >> caller: i estimated about how much my husband and i drink on a week on vacation and added so i get 16 bottles.

>> stephanie: that is also incorrect but much closer than the first two guesses. >> too high or too low? >> stephanie: it is a skosh too low. i have my brazilian power crystal for the winner. >> what are we actually giving to the winner? >> stephanie: mama has a werther's. >> should we give away the action figure? >> stephanie: sure. there you go. we don't have much of a prize department here. >> you have to look in your purse. >> stephanie: check the bottom of your shoe. all right. 18 minutes. >> ooh chewing gum. slightly used. >> stephanie: abc gum. 18 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: join the party. right back on "the stephanie miller show." 1-800-steph-12.

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>> stephanie: is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 23 minutes after the hour. there's not a lot of coordination with our prize department. i decided i do not want to give give -- i decided i do not want to give away my doll. i'm going to give away a talking mug of "the stephanie miller show." there you go. which is going to be more of a collector's item. >> in a few months. >> stephanie: shortly. if you want to have one of these. hi heather.

>> caller: i think it is three cases. >> stephanie: no. that is incorrect. thank you anyway for playing. >> wow. >> stephanie: i'm not actually a drunk. i just play one on the radio. >> you're kind of a drunk. >> stephanie: trish in new york you're on "the stephanie miller show". >> caller: we love you. >> stephanie: i love you too not enough to give you lafleur but enough to give you a mug. >> caller: i say 24. >> stephanie: that's also incorrect. >> caller: how many people were with you? >> stephanie: three of us. it also was vacation week. >> how many days were you there? >> stephanie: seven. a week. >> caller: that's three bottles a day. one per person. >> stephanie: she's a lush like me. now i want to gay marry her. steve, i'm going to break off my engagement with roland. hello, steve. >> caller: how are you stephanie. >> stephanie: what is your

guess. >> caller: 20. 2-0. >> too low or too high? >> stephanie: a little too high. dave in albuquerque, you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hey stephanie. welcome back. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: i'm going to guess 18 because six bottles for myself would be a good start. >> stephanie: for vacation. but no. also just a little low. could it be any clearer people? wendell in new hampshire you're on "the stephanie miller show." hello, wendell. >> caller: if i miss this, something is wrong with me. 19. >> stephanie: yea! 19 bottles of wine on the wall. >> who had the extra third of a bottle? >> stephanie. >> stephanie: wendell hang on. this mug is on its way to you all right? >> hold on. >> travis will get your information. >> stephanie: hold on. clair in santa fe. what were you going to guess?

>> caller: i was going to guess 12. >> stephanie: i'm going to give you something for underestimating what a lush i am. how about that! >> caller: i appreciate that. happy birthday. >> stephanie: give clair a mug, too just for underestimating what a drunk i am. all right. little game is over. >> hold your calls. >> stephanie: roland and i were like this. we were a little like -- who can say? gregory in massachusetts. where gay american is so yesterday's news. hello, gregory. >> caller: how you doing today guys? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: welcome back from vacation. hal sparks and jacki schechner were very good to us. we didn't stay up all that late. they did give us some popsicles. >> stephanie: just one popsicle? >> caller: well, guess how many popsicles. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: anyway, go ahead. >> caller: chris, i was kind of following you on twitter there

yesterday. >> yeah? >> caller: you clearly left the troll be gone in the cabinet at the studio. >> stephanie: what did you do? >> caller: holy cow. it was just textbook. he would say something trying to spur up an intellectual debate. it was just freedom freedom benghazi -- >> they brought benghazi into a gay marriage debate. i'm like what? focus, people! >> stephanie: benghazi was part of the president's gay agenda as you know. >> sure, obviously. >> stephanie: totally. eric boehlert on vacation. but he had some great tweets. he wrote a great piece called like benghazi -- winding down with a whimper. >> it's not the policy. >> stephanie: by the way he also tweeted gallup daily tracking. obama is enjoying his highest rating since january. all right.

yes, as we were saying, i thought -- because at first, i was like coming off my vacation thing. when does gay marriage start? it started without me on friday! >> here in california it did. >> stephanie: but then, of course, the losey mclosersons asked the supreme court to stop supreme court americans. they hoped they would ask kennedy. [ whatever! ] >> stephanie: justice kennedy. attorney for the challengers of prop 8 expressed certainty it would be denied. nicely done, losers. as you know, kennedy wrote wednesday's ruling that required the federal government to recognize same-sex marriages. yes. kennedy would have agreed to stop the marriages only if the court was logical to reconsider -- to consider reopening the prop 8 case. >> computer says no. >> stephanie: moving on, everybody. although i was saying, i'm

surprised, you were saying we'll talk to ted boutros about this later. kennedy and sotomayor -- >> it was a very technical judicial reason that they opposed it. it had to do with the california initiative process. the proposition process. >> stephanie: which is a little screwy. >> stephanie: i'm not a fan. don't ask us what we think. we don't know. i want unicorns to fart glitter. that and much more to get to including rude pundit next on "the stephanie miller show." documentary series "vanguard". >> we're going to places where few others are going. >> it doesn't get anymore real than this. >> vanguard is about telling important stories that need to be told. >> we're patrolling the area looking for guns, drugs, bodies... >> now in it's seventh remarkable season, "vanguard" is the documentary series that

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>> and so life returned to normal or as normal as it gets on -- >> stephanie miller. >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 34 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. christine in cleveland real quick on the phoenix firefighters. hi christine. >> caller: good morning. welcome back. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: missed you. >> stephanie: missed you too. go ahead. >> caller: got a shout out for jacki schechner. >> stephanie: shout out. >> caller: yes, at the top of the hour, she reported about the 19 firefighters. fox news is reporting that that is the worst loss of firefighter deaths in 40 years. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: no. >> stephanie: not since 9-11.

>> caller: so jacki, woot, got it right. yet again, fox news is spinning. >> stephanie: who was the only reporter in the country that got the affordable care decision correct? >> caller: who got the affordable care decision? >> stephanie: jacki schechner. >> caller: of course it would be our girl jacki. in the rush, everybody misreported it. jacki schechner got it right. >> rude pundit. ♪ pundit ♪ ♪ ooh papa, papa, papa, ooh ♪ >> stephanie: good morning papa. >> good morning, welcome back. >> stephanie: i missed you you big hunka hunka burnin' love. >> thank you. >> stephanie: anything we missed last week? what happened? >> oh, nothing. it was a boring summer week. nothing really happened. i went to the movies a few times. >> stephanie: uh-huh, uh-huh. by the way, some of the funny stuff i've seen about scalia's

dissent, a lot can't be read on our family radio show. however, hilarious. >> scalia pretty much los his f'ing mind on his dissent from the doma case. it was great. it was like he just decided let me -- i'm wearing a robe. let me get all champy in what i'm going to say. >> stephanie: he was a little over the top, wasn't he? >> he was saying like the argueel baggerel of rhetoric. >> i love a justice that says the term argle bargle. >> i guess i would have to go to harvard to understand that. >> something from douglas adams. >> stephanie: maybe it has something to do with louie gohmert's aspersions on asparagus.

>> i think about the poor clerks that he was probably dictating this to. scalia saying it is argle bargle and the clerk saying are you sure? scalia says yes! >> stephanie: he's jim's impression of most people at a tea party rally. arg. you say scalia's dissent filled with everything angry. king kong caught in a rage. you want to masturbate to it. [ buzzer ] i don't know about that part. >> until you hate masturbated, you haven't experienced tough love. >> stephanie: i hate myself enough to but at any rate, you say the fun part is that so much of scalia's reasoning in upholding doma could have been used to uphold the voting rights act, a section struck down.

scalia had no problem overturning a bipartisan law. 98-0 in the senate. interesting, right? those two rulings. >> right. >> one was on doma, the dissenters said congress, you know considered this and they passed doma. in a bipartisan way. on the voting rights act, who cares, they were wrong. >> stephanie: i was reading one analysis, rude, about you know scalia basically opened the door for this ten years ago in the sodomy ruling where he's like well -- the next thing is you would have to allow gay marriage as if people would go yeah! it was the perfect -- it was the perfect -- basis for what happened. >> perfect entree. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> stephanie: thank you. by the way kennedy pretty much gave the states like a playbook, didn't they? for making gay marriage legal

everywhere, didn't he? >> yeah, he did. but you know, the thing that conservatives are taking from this is they're clinging to that part of the prop 8 decision that only overturned prop 8. that said the plaintiffs didn't have standing. so they are -- you know, they're holding tight saying well we have a chance to convince people not to allow gay american now. and it is insane. you know, the constant -- the refusal to give up is really just kind of pathetic. it really is. let's bring old yeller out back kind of pathetic. and just say this is done. this is over. please, move on. there's really got to be something else you can hate for awhile. >> stephanie: i love the way you end. go down fighting justice scalia, you hypocritical activist judge. flail away at the waves of progress and when a tsunami hits, you'll a very to hope piece of [ bleep ] you are that you're a floater and not a sinker.

oh rude! that's so rude. >> well, thank you! i like to give everybody a pleasant little toilet image to start their day. >> stephanie: my favorite this week headline, krauthammer on doma ruling nationalizing gay american is now inevitable. i love that he didn't mean it in a good way. it's true, right? >> no, no, you know, it's really one of those great moments of just sitting back and you know, having -- taking shots every time you see conservative lose his mind and generally, it is his mind on the air. yesterday, jim demint on "meet the press" and just sounding like -- it is one of those things where you're looking going do you understand how you sound? >> stephanie: do you think can't rachel maddow be on every show everywhere? >> oh, yeah. when she breaks out her pan, it is really just beautiful to see.

>> stephanie: with one hand tied behind her back to bitch slap demint into the next election cycle. >> i loved her saying you're not making gay people go away. i don't understand what you want. because what you have done has not made any less gay people or anymore gay people. instead, what you've said is let's just keep hating them and denying them rights. you know, the thing about the doma thing is i thought this is really a tax issue. and i thought why wouldn't conservatives be jumping on board with that? why wouldn't the republican party have said thank god we have a way we can support gay marriage now. we can say the people -- it was the estate tax. it was death taxes too. that was the reason the lawsuit was brought. why wouldn't they have been all over that? >> stephanie: exactly. by the way in second place for

right wing douche of the week, of course, rick perry. you wrote today is the national right to life convention, motto making women's lives health since 1968. governor and serial amnesia sufferer rick perry spoke to a small group of shut-ins and crazies and monty pythons in old woman drag. >> this image of people at the convention and i swear it looks like those old monty python images of the old ladies sitting there and applauding for the conservatives speaking. >> stephanie: i know. you've said -- you made a really good point. you don't want -- what rick perry wants. the ideal world is a world without abortion even though there's never been any such thing in the history and never will be. obviously he was -- was really remarkably personal what he did to state senator wendy davis who did this remarkable 11 hour filibuster. this would basically shut down every abortion clinic in texas. this bill. >> except for five that are

in -- that are in metropolitan areas but you know, because they need to have -- because they need to have admitting privileges in a hospital within 30 miles in freakin' texas they -- it would shut down most of the family planning clinics that perform abortions. >> stephanie: you say -- of davis, he said even the woman who filibustered the senate was born into difficult circumstances, the daughter of a single mother, she managed to graduate from harvard law school and serve in the texas senate. it is just unfortunate she hasn't learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential. every life is precious. magnificent logic. she's a hypocrite because she didn't abort her child. look how great she did. first of all how patronizing right? >> oh, yeah. to say that your life is an example for your enemies. and you know, apparently they

don't understand that the right to choose means sometimes you choose not to abort. sometimes you choose to keep it. but it's the idea of having the choice that that makes the difference. >> stephanie: which i think she said she was also on "meet the press" yesterday. good for her. >> stephanie: we're a little late because we were on vacation. interesting piece on paula deen being a southerner and all. >> yeah. >> stephanie: you said really. is there anyone who didn't think tv chef paula deen didn't say the "n" word at some point in your life. i know you don't say "n" word. >> i listened to richard pryor and redd fox growing up. i can't say "n" word. for you, i will say it. >> aww, thank you. >> stephanie: thank you. you say one aspect of -- out of everyone is that deen confessed to saying the "n" word under

oath. it would have been the easiest thing for her to deny it. it would have been perjury but impossible to prove. that's an interesting thing i hadn't heard anyone say. she owned her words for good or for ill. i suppose do you have to give her some points for that, right? >> well, i mean, you know, i also think she's a dimwit who thought well i didn't do anything wrong. you know that's the other thick that comes out in her dep. i read her entire deposition. she's a freakin' idiot. when she says i don't know how to use e-mail. you just sit there and go all right, why am i trusting you with my health? >> stephanie: this is the point where the white guy raised in the south tells you how it was. he doesn't do this to forgive anyone. unless you did grow up in the south in the '80s, there's things that you don't get. i was laughing because i thought

you know, this didn't really surprise me. your high school, you had awards, best all-around black and best all-around white. >> really? wow. >> yes, we did. let me tell you, this was the 1980s. this was actually an enlightening thing that our school thought it was doing because you see, the logic was and -- the logic was that a white student would never be a good enough athlete to get best all-around and a black student would never be a smart enough to get best all-around. and therefore, to make it fair, they had best all-around white and best all-around black which left the asian kids feeling isolated. >> stephanie: i love that you fun fact, the best all-around black male is a big-time lawyer in seattle. the best all-around white male is now a bartender. >> when he served me drinks a couple of years ago i thought

yep, most likely to succeed right there. the other thing -- actually, a classmate of mine contracted me and said do you remember the 20% rule? i was like no, i don't remember. he said the 20% rule was because the district's population, had 20% african-american students, 20% of every team had to be african-american. now, when it came to the cheerleading squad in our school, there were ten cheerleaders. you had to have ten in order to compete in the bring it on type crap so if for one year, no african-americans auditioned to be cheerleaders. so they stopped at eight cheerleaders because they couldn't fulfill the 20% black cheerleaders. >> wow. >> and so the cheerleaders -- again, i think the district thought being enlightening here. again, in retrospect, it looks

horrible. i was looking through my yearbook with somebody. i had forgotten about best all around black. when i turned the page, i was like ooh yeah. >> stephanie: your point, she was honest about whites in the south during a certain time period in the way few whites are. it doesn't mean she or anyone else gets a pass but she shouldn't lose her livelihood on it. >> she shouldn't lose her livelihood because she said the "n" word, i said however when you see -- when you also read the allegations against her and even the things she says, excusing her brother who ran the restaurant where this manager who is suing her that the brother -- she admits her brother is essentially a horrific racist but oh, well. >> stephanie: you pointed out stuff i heard a lot of people talking about rude. just the kind of food she was pushing and hiding the fact she

had diabetes until she got a pharmaceutical ad. obviously other issues that make you go ugh or as you said [ bleep ] paula deen. >> pretty much. you know. with a stick of butter. >> stephanie: all right. or i can't believe it's not butter. >> speaking about moor -- marlon brando for a moment. >> stephanie: love you see you next week. 49 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: i got her number off the men's room stall. 1-800-steph-12.

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now. >> stephanie: dave, i did say this before. this was obviously what was predicted by all of the legal experts we had on the show that they would strike down doma and prop 8 but that obviously the issue of nationwide gay marriage is going to be left to the states. i was saying this has literally created this crazy quote work legally. and the president commented on it, didn't he, last week about what happened, married in massachusetts and you move to texas and now what. >> exactly. it hasn't solved any problem at all except continuing to make -- except now it is written into the law. they've legitimized that treatment. >> it is not that the supreme court's place to fix america. that's actually congress's. they write the laws and they fix things. all the supreme court does is they interpret the laws. that's all they do. it is not their job to fix the laws. >> if a law is broken, you know know -- >> it is congress's job to fix

it. it is not the supreme court's job. >> right. exactly. with a little more force, they should have sent it back to congress and said fix it. that's my opinion. >> stephanie: obviously a lot of people have that you could about how long it would have taken the southern states exactly to do certain things. and i agree with you. i think this has created legally, a mess in some ways. but i gotta say wow, there is a headline. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] devout california mormons find out their son is gay. this is what's happening all over the place. with changing people's hearts and minds. i have to give this mom some credit. wendy montgomery found out the truth by reading her son's journal. i felt like what i thought his wife would be as a morn boy was now gone. i saw him preparing for a mission for our church gone. i saw a temple wedding gone. i saw him being a father, gone.

she said jordan, you're perfect and we'll figure this out. >> stephanie: he's a boy scout working toward his eagle scout badge. i remember talking to a mom once of a gay son that came out. she said it wasn't the life we pictured for him. he would be such a great dad. i was like he still could be. what about what he pictured for himself? what about what he wants. i think more and more people are coming around to that like that mom did. god bless her. >> that's right. >> stephanie: 58 minutes past the hour. as the rust comes off the wheels "the stephanie miller show."

[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. hour number two. hello, jacki schechner. >> good morning. >> stephanie: good morning. thank you, by the way for filling in for us. i'm told you did a spectacular job. >> i had a lot of fun. uncle hal let me stay up late. he let me have some sugar. >> stephanie: just one popsicle though, right? >> just one. >> stephanie: you know the rules. >> i'm a good girl. >> stephanie: yes, are you. >> did you eat your brussels sprowls? >> i always do. >> stephanie: that's all she eats. >> rock n' roll every day. >> i did actually learn a little bit about music. he's got some heavier tastes in music. >> stephanie: boy music boy music. by the way i see in our absence that republicans still being helpful. g.o.p. leaders warn pro sports leagues not to promote

obamacare. >> that's helpful. thanks for coming out. >> stephanie: we'll need another you're not helping. here she is in the current news center, jacki schechner. >> good morning, everybody. turns out that president obama and president bush will meet today in tanzania. they'll lay a wreath at a memorial of the u.s. embassy in commemoration of a 1998 terrorist attack that killed hundreds there and at the embassy in nairobi at the same time. the two presidents not yet scheduled to make any public remarks. meanwhile, back here at home ohio state budget goes into effect today and in it, new absurd and incredibly restrictive abortion provision. any woman seeking an abortion in ohio will have to get an ultrasound. and abortion clinics will not be allowed to transfer a woman from their facility to a public hospital in case of emergency. they would have to transfer that woman to a private facility. also family planning groups including planned parenthood are now going to have a tough time getting state funding for preventive care.

republican governor john kasich signed the budget into law last night and refused to take questions from reporters. he was surrounded by fellow republican lawmakers all men. the texas state legislature is meeting in special session today to deal with three measures that didn't make it through the regular session that ended on friday. governor rick perry called for the additional time after stephanie mentioned last hour. democratic state senator wendy davis successfully led a 13-hour filibuster to stop an anti-abortion bill. this one would close all but five of the state's clinics and make abortion illegal after 20 weeks. davis tells "the washington post," if it is possible, she and fellow democrats will try to filibuster the bill again but if it passes, texas women do have the option of filing legal action to stop officials from enforcing that law. we're back after the break. (vo) this afternoon, current tv is the place for compelling true stories. >> jack, how old are you?

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♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ ♪ don't let it get away ♪ >> stephanie: it is the "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. six minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. ted boutros jr. ted olson's partner -- >> law partner. >> stephanie: law partner joins us next hour to break it down for us. exactly. the whole -- all of the supreme court doings last week. my favorite mean -- did we post this? bewitched mom's -- on marriage equality. samantha with a placard that says my uncle is a gay warlock. >> we posted it on your facebook stephanie miller page. >> stephanie: back from vacation hooray. >> barely. >> stephanie: sort of. [ applause ] i flew a new airline by the way.

>> at citizens united airways we've flown hundreds of millions of dollars to destinations across america. citizens united is the airline that's all first class with no riffraff. our flagship, the spirit of congress has 535 first class seats that we fill just the way we like. and remember, you can fly citizens united anonymously. citizens united airlines, rededicated to giving you the shaft we think you deserve. come fly the unfriendly skies. >> stephanie: yea! [ applause ] speaking of bad supreme court decisions, voting rights one. all right. what a week it was for americans. guess who i got an e-mail from. congresswoman linda sanchez from the great state of california where marriage equality lives now. hey, steph wanted to know how great it feels when the supreme court gets it right. sometimes you kick ass on the hill. today moved the country forward was a big ole step for equality.

congresswoman linda sanchez. >> loretta is her sister. also in congress. >> stephanie: i know that. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: guess who else says -- nationalizing gay marriage now inevitable? charles krauthammer. [ ♪ nah nah nah nah nah ♪ ] he didn't mean it in a good way. >> he meant it in an icky way. >> i guess it's inevitable. like shingles. >> he looks like the kind of person that gets shingles. >> anyone who's had chickenpox -- >> stephanie: "the stephanie miller show" apologizes. we have no information on whether charles krauthammer has ever had shingles. that was really random and gratuitous of you. >> sometimes i'm that way. >> stephanie: nationalized gay marriage is inevitable so argued charles krauthammer. assessing the implications of the supreme court's ruling on doma. we'll talk to ted boutros about this. >> boutros golly.

>> that never gets old. >> stephanie: he said why should equal protection apply only in states that recognize gay marriage. why doesn't it apply equally? [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] indeed, even perhaps more forcefully to gays who want to marriage in states that refuse to marry them. good point charles. if discriminating regarding federal benefits between a gay couple and straight couple is prohibited in new york but by what logic is discrimination permitted in texas where a gay couple is permitted from marrying. it will lead to nationalizing gay marriage the way roe nationalized abortion. justice kennedy knows he planted the seed. ♪ let's hear it for the boy ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >> stephanie: john davidson from land of the legal. >> the decision of this week give us huge momentum. very excited by how this is going to help in the legal battles but as well, help in the public opinion. >> stephanie: in terms of the

inevitability argument. charles krauthammer. all right. >> i guess it's inevitable. crap. >> stephanie: anybody who ended his piece like that, crap. all right. equality california. >> equality california thinks the request is without merit. they wink that's how the court will treat it and we think that's how justice kennedy will treat it. we're going to continue complying with the law in the state of california which finally allowed same-sex couples the freedom to marry. >> stephanie: started friday. woot. he was right. >> computer says no. >> stephanie: actually didn't say anything. he had no comment. except he's a loser. bye-bye now losers. >> stephanie: someone from nam, we need to hear from someone from nam. john eastman. >> we see this as illegitimate and lawless. the ninth circuit has no

jurisdiction to lift its stay. >> stephanie: lawless. it's the old west of gay marriage. big gay tumbleweeds everywhere. wee! big gay barroom doors swinging back and forth. >> you would think they would want more marriage, not less marriage being the national association for marriage, after all. >> stephanie: what was the name of the group that tried to stop it? >> the alliance for freedom. >> freedom from gays. >> stephanie: freedom from gays. >> and all of that icky gay marriage going on. >> true. >> stephanie: a tee and then a hee. [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] by the way obviously what timing, all of the gay pride celebrations this past weekend. i love the new york city one. did you see edie windsor. only days after the supreme court used her lawsuit to grant same-sex couples federal marriage benefits, edie windsor helped lead the gay pride parade in new york. signs along the route read thank you, edie. celebrating windsor for her successful challenge of doma.

if somebody told me 50 years ago i would be the marshal of new york city's gay pride parade, i wouldn't have believed it. [ applause ] that was a happy sight. our friends kris perry and sandy steir got married. >> right away. they didn't waste any time. >> stephanie: would you? on friday. >> i think they had to have special permission from pamela harris because usually there is a little bit of a waiting period. >> stephanie: didn't she officiate? >> she had to call down to city hall in los angeles for paul khatami and zarillo to get married. >> stephanie: and our friends paul and jeff. i missed everything. >> did you. >> stephanie: i'm a horrible vacation planner. >> you are! >> first we go on a 90 mile hike and then a 90 mile bike. >> you don't relax on vacation. >> then we'll have a glass of wine then spinning class and

then -- jump on the trampoline. >> stephanie: now you have impugned me, sir. michael in west virginia. hello. >> i am not a drunk! >> caller: good morning, steph. how you doing? >> stephanie: hello. >> caller: listen, steph, as a progressive gay christian, it is always good to see someone like you who is of the lesbirtarian faith. all gay people who have animosity toward christianity. i can understand their feelings with all of the role models with the pred file priests and the criminal cover-up and hypocritical two-faced preachers preaching against gay marriage and having sex with prostitutes snorting crystal meth but i want young people to know that people like rick sanitarium and pat blobberson and tony perkins with the dysfunctional research council, those people do not speak for all people of faith.

>> stephanie: did you see ralph reid on "meet the press" yesterday? they seem like sputtery -- >> yeah. >> yeah. i love the meltdown of the religious right after the decision came down on wednesday. but you know, i just want young people to know just as we as lgbt people don't want to be painted with the same broad brush, in the same way please don't paint all christians, all people of faith you know, with the same brush. i live -- >> stephanie: you know, they're on the wrong side of everything now. i think they know it. you look at ralph reid, you're like they used to so successfully be able to use this as a bludgeon and a wench issue and now it's working the other way. >> morgan tell, west virginia, is hardly a bastian of liberalism. we do have the university with is i a protective bubble. this is a very culturally conservative area. i'm a member of a presbyterian church here in town.

i'm an openly gay man. hope about my h.i.v. our church states on our brochure that we welcome all people regardless of sexual orientation. we have several gay couples in our church with children and nobody even bats an eye. it is a total nonstarter for everybody so i just want to offer that out there. >> stephanie: by the way speaking of things banned in the bible, sally cohen on fox news. >> why is it then you allow elderly couples who can't have children to marry. why haven't you put forward a bill to ban divorce if you're so concerned with the state of marriage? >> stephanie: that's pretty much their response. >> uh, eh -- >> that was representative tim wahlberg of michigan. >> i think the issue of doma and the decision does, when we add another impingement upon making marriage the successful foundation point of america making it continue to be

successful, that's the issue. we're not saying that anyone should not be able to love who they choose or have relationships but bottom line, the only way that you continue society is through a man and a woman having a child and then caring for that child appropriately. that's my concern that we have further a challenge marriage from being that building block. >> apparently, marriage doesn't happen anywhere outside the united states. >> stephanie: the end of society. >> apparently old people can't get married because they don't bear children. >> stephanie: gotta put them on the icebergs, too and give them a big shove. >> there are a few hanging out. >> stephanie: think of something new to put childless old people on. shove them off. something. >> flatter than. >> stephanie: chris fun facts for you from our friend david bender. unfortunately, they're not so fun for you because it proves you wrong once again. [ buzzer ] as usual. as it happens, it is the supreme court's job to fix state laws

copied with the civilized decision of the u.s. supreme court which invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage. >> i meant this particular supreme court. the roberts court hasn't fixed laws. >> stephanie: nicely side stepped, sir. >> thank you. >> stephanie: neatly done. jim ward vacationed in hawaii last week. how about that there. >> on maui. >> stephanie: wowy. and your lovely wife janice. i've forgotten her real name. janice. >> turns out someone we know was there. maui for a bit of relaxation staying at places such as -- where you can see lots of paintings by the rolling stones.

[ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] also kahului. and the the national park, the volcano which left a tremendous lava field which you should try to avoid if you're in your automobile. as i found out. rather unfortunately. i have several blowouts in my tires on the vehicle. >> stephanie: all right. thank you. [ applause ] >> then there's also -- >> stephanie: excuse me. oh, pardon me. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> the national park. and in the future, i will travel someplace with fewer ls. [ applause ] >> stephanie: thank you. by the way, as i mentioned last

hour, i was at canyon ranch with roland sexy liberal and somebody already won the contest as to hot brie, melissa fitzgerald and i went to canyon ranch and how many bottles -- >> bottles of wine on the wall. >> stephanie: the answer was 19. hold your calls. we've already given away -- 19 bottles of wine. >> did i mention -- >> stephanie: i'm sorry? >> the plantation. >> do they grow dole pineapples? >> not anymore. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: i'm sorry. what kind? >> dole pineapples. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> they no longer -- no longer -- >> stephanie: i gotta put --% 19 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: there's a tea party in her pants and you're

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24 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. travis helpfully forwarded this love letter. >> oh, okay. >> stephanie: right. steph, we can see your calves under the desk today. i want to say it is too bad you're a lesbian. i would love to feel them wrapped around my back. they look good to say the least. that would probably be from my 35 mile bike ride that i did my last day. >> that's not a vacation. >> stephanie: it was for me. i have a big bruise, too. that's not pretty. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. >> where did you get said bruise? >> stephanie: who can tell. who can say? >> really? >> caller: good morning. >> stephanie: hi, dana. >> caller: welcome back. >> stephanie: hello. >> caller: i'm here. can you hear me? >> caller: welcome back. and that's petey. i just wanted to say bye to vickie on the chat room, mazel tov and welcome to kitty.

and then they do a great job. phenomenal. show was great last week. i think the new stop it should be nancy pelosi saying who cares. that was hilarious. the delivery, the face, everything. >> stephanie: i missed that. where was she? >> caller: someone told her what michele bachmann said about prop 8. she said who cares. and chuckled. >> stephanie: what did michele bachmann have to say? >> she's married to the gayest man on the planet. >> stephanie: against gay american and yet in one. >> caller: rick perry is a douche. i think we need to go to that -- in texas and stand with women there. natalie maines is going to perform and says eel richards will be there. it was abortion, abortion, abortion. on a state level we're losing. >> stephanie: absolutely. that was my point. love you guys. welcome back.

>> stephanie: thank you sweetie. speaking of texas lauren, you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hi, how are you? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i was actually calling again about rick perry and the person before me just spoke about him. just really frustrated that yet again, such a typical contradiction in the republican's arguments. his statement to wendy davis regarding the abortion issue and he specifically said that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential. and every life matters. and then literally that same night, he then allowed another texas execution which was the 261st during his 13 years as governor. which is actually more than the next tuesdays combined over the last 38 years. >> stephanie: how pro-life can

you be? right? >> caller: pick a side. if you're going to argue -- try to act as a hero and -- for the right to life quote then i would think you would be concerned about other people's lives as well. what lives that have actually been born and started. >> stephanie: yeah, exactly. michael in long beach. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi mike. >> caller: hi, stephanie. did you hear -- are you going to comment on alec baldwin's tirade against the gay slurs? >> stephanie: we mentioned it earlier. >> caller: oh, because i find the hypocrisy is very obvious because of the -- even bill press said the same thing. if it's okay for paula deen to be raked over the coals why not alec baldwin lose his job for capital one and you know, because he's done this many times. did he this and g.l.a.d. has given a free pass on this which

i find very offensive. >> stephanie: michael what do you mean many times? >> caller: he's used this -- when he beat up that cameraman that was -- he beat up this cameraman while he was -- he said get your -- it was a gay slur. >> stephanie: all right. let's talk about it when we get back. alec baldwin and his tweets. it was a whole twitter war. 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

>> announcer: stephanie miller. >> the conversation goes on too long without being about me, i'm out. >> you look so beautiful today. >> i'm in! >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." ted boutros jr. ted olson's law partner coming up. lee in illinois, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi lee. >> caller: hi, stephanie. thanks for taking my call. you're so smart. all of you. okay. when i first heard about both of those decisions doma and the voting rights, immediately i said to myself, well, you know what? there is a relationship there between what the supreme court did because we are just -- going about our daily lives, these people, you know, these people

in power, they are planning things. and if you think about it, there would not be probably this decision about doma if there had not been the voting rights act. because they will use this now i believe to keep people from voting certain people and so you're going to get back to where you were before the voting rights act and then you know, they can change all the laws. they can make all of the decisions. we'll be back in the -- backward. so i think the voting rights act is very important. >> stephanie: i don't know if you heard me talking earlier. it is such an ironic twist on 2008. i think 2008, we were all so elated we had our first black president. then gay people felt like we got left behind because of the prop 8 ruling. we've had a great week for gay rights and a setback in civil rights i think on the voting front, don't you? >> right.

i'm saying if it had not been for the voting rights act we haven't had the first black president. we would not have had this decision because he is the one who supported gay rights. and we wouldn't have had him. so we have to be -- we have to be very vigilant now about voting and you know, we're happy for freedom for everyone in the country. but they have a plan. that's the way i feel about it. >> stephanie: absolutely. >> we have to make sure we get the people out to vote. or else we'll go backward. >> stephanie: we need to go forward. forward. [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] >> that's what president obama says. >> why stop at forward? what about five-ward? >> stephanie: my dad worked on legislation. i mention ited not my dad's party. brave republicans helped make the voting rights act law. its future depends on similar courage.

[ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] which, as i recall, jim we've mentioned john boner has no courage. he's afraid that eric cantor stepped on his tail. >> he stepped on my tail. >> stephanie: gary writes now that the supreme court -- >> i didn't mean to step on your tail. you got your tail under my loafers. my bruno mali loafers. >> stephanie: gary writes now that the supreme court has severely weakened the voting rights act they must supportity voters. what will the republicans do? i'm going to guess bone it up. as the republican house leaders consider the way forward, they would do well to consider the decisions of the fast two generations of top republican legislators without whom the voting rights act would never have existed. we talked about president johnson a lot and he had huge democratic majorities, the key to the bill's original package but the final bill was written

in the office of republican minority leader dirksen of illinois who my dad knew and worked with all the time. >> a billion here, a billion there. >> pretty soon, you're talking about real money. >> stephanie: thank you, i know. you know what? you got a better dirksen impression bring it on, callers! [ laughter ] >> stephanie: people going that's a little off. the voting rights act also faced procedural death in the senate judiciary in 1982 re-authorization. republican senator bob dole broke the logjam. >> bob dole. >> stephanie: bob dole did. gary may writes it is hard to see john boehner and mitch mcconnell playing similar roles and here we go again with the tea party. many in the tea party believe president obama owed voter fraud, despite all evidence to the contrary. quickly republicans began passing a series of laws that would increase the integrity of

elections. of republican party represents the white minority voter many of whom sat out the 2012 presidential election. i think as on most things, little chance they'll do the right thing. john boehner lacks courage. >> don't step on my tail. >> stephanie: he's got no courage. >> i don't have any courage. i have bourbon. liquid courage. glug glug, glug, glug. >> stephanie: he's a big fan of liquid courage not the regular kind. thank you, jim. >> you know how the cowardly lion went to the beauty parlor? take him to the beauty parlor, put a little bow in his hair. >> stephanie: me on vacation. >> i am king of the forest. >> glug, glug, glug, glug, glug. >> stephanie: okay. all right. the caller brought up alec baldwin. you know i love alec baldwin. it is funny.

i've never met him. he was supposed to do sexy liberal. he couldn't. >> he sent a gigantic thing of flowers. >> stephanie: the size of my dog -- the size of a sofa. >> pretty much. >> stephanie: so i am -- plus i love him as an actor. even he would say he has a bit of an anger problem. so he got into a twitter war. i guess the problem -- i think the premise of this whole thing was that his wife was tweeting during james gandolfini's funeral. as it turns out, it was not during the funeral. it was afterwards but the reporter wrote a story she was tweeting during the funeral so then he got -- alec baldwin got into a twitter war with this guy. he is gay. he said things that appear to be home faux phobic. he has wrote a note to g.l.a.d. his messages were directed to the newspaper reporter who accused his wife -- there were things that -- he said it had nothing to do with anyone's sexual orientation but they read that way. he called him a toxic little

queen. >> it said in the wrong -- if said in the wrong way. >> it is a great name for a band, by the way. >> stephanie: kick him in the ass, you wouldn't like it so much. it was clearly homophobic. g.l.a.d. spokesman says baldwin's language was improper and his tweets didn't reflect his history of actively supporting lgbt equality. i think the caller he was saying -- he was making analogy to paula deen. look, i have to say right i think there is a difference. alec baldwin has a history of actively supporting gay causes. he said something inappropriate and he apologized but i don't think you can compare him to a history of someone who has used the history of a person who has used the "n" word her whole life. >> she didn't say she used it regularly her whole life. that's unfair to throw that accusation at her. seriously. it really is. >> stephanie: okay. >> because you don't know that. >> stephanie: all right.

jim and i stand corrected. >> just saying. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: we're burying the big story. the bert and ernie controversy. the new yorker put bert and ernie on the cover to celebrate doma. people are outraged! >> what a beautiful picture. >> stephanie: to celebrate the death of doma. they featured a picture of bert and ernie snuggling on the sofa which caused them to lose their [ bleep ] as usual. criticized by some who have slammed the magazine for sexualizing the children's show and its characters while others have called its cover art demeaning and crass. >> stephanie: snuggling? oh, come on. slate's june thomas pointed out you see bert and ernie aren't lovers. she was trying to say it was inaccurate. did anyone actually think -- they're [ bleep ] puppets for god's sakes. i don't think anyone thought

they're gay lovers. they're made of felt. they don't have any felt genitals. >> as far as we know. >> stephanie: they haven't none. >> there is a hand up their bum. >> stephanie: sure. >> in order to make them work. >> stephanie: don't go alec baldwin on us now. some people don't need a hand up their butt to make them work. >> bert and ernie do. >> stephanie: they're puppets people. okay. brian fisher, our favorite radio host said the cover was promoting child endangerment and child abuse. >> oh, my god! >> i don't understand. >> stephanie: right. >> catholic church you're thinking of. >> that promotes child abuse. >> stephanie: bubba in texas is that your name? >> caller: yes, ma'am. i gotta fly under two colors here. i'm from texas but happen to be

in new york at the moment. i had a gig and i'm heading back down to civilization now. i've been listening -- >> stephanie: wait a minute. you mean texas is civilization but new york is not? >> caller: i shouldn't have said that. that's not fair for me to say that because i tell what you speaking as a texan, i love this up here. the folks are as friendly as they can possibly be and it really is a pretty state. >> stephanie: what kind of gig are you up there doing? >> caller: i'm a musician. >> stephanie: awesome. >> caller: so i had a little gig out in ithaca this weekend. i've been out there once before. what a beautiful town that is. >> stephanie: indeed it is. i'm from buffalo new york. >> caller: okay. i just drove through buffalo just a few minutes ago. i've been listening and my radio is about to give up on you. i wanted to call before i lost track completely. i'm almost out of range. okay now two things.

the thing i told your guy about i'm going to get to in eight seconds but i gotta say, yankees up here been slamming texas all morning. >> stephanie: yankees. not texas. just rick perry. >> caller: yeah. but he's our governor. i don't know who your governor is. >> stephanie: he's kind of a dope, don't you think? >> caller: whoa, whoa, whoa. i can beat up my brother but you better not. i'm just saying now i never -- >> stephanie: i'll bet your brother isn't as big a dope as rick perry. >> caller: i would agree with that. if you were a texan, i would agree with you completely. but i just gotta say that little slip about civilization. it is meant with the greatest affection. when i'm down in texas or up here, i never never never say anything bad about pennsylvania or new york or -- even if i

think you all have some crazy ideas up here. that's just my view. >> stephanie: all right. >> caller: here is my legitimate serious question in terms of the expansion of the definition of marriage. how do you feel about polygamy? >> stephanie: oh, boy. are we in the slippery slope argument bubba? >> caller: no, ma'am, not at all. the reason i ask is because i've also spent a fair amount of time out in the middle east. and polygamy is acceptable out there. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: it is sort of a cultural phenomenon. i've been to israel. i tried to get in. they wouldn't let me in. >> stephanie: that's because they aren't making jews like jesus any more. >> there must have been a good reason. >> stephanie: okay. we were on a slippery slope of an argument with no lube. >> what?

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>> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 52 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. jim ward had a lovely time in hawaii on vacation last week with his lovely wife. >> shaniqua. >> we were there ten years ago. this time we were further south. at a place with fewer ls. >> stephanie: they briefly considered vacationing in that small part in the airport in russia in honor of edward snowden. ♪ snowden snowden snowden ♪ ♪ snowden, snowden, snowden ♪ ♪ rawhide ♪ ♪ snowden snowden snowden ♪ ♪ he just keeps on rolling ♪

♪ whistles he's a blowing a lot of it's for showing, soon he'll be living behind bars ♪ ♪ edward's calculating, the fbi's a waitin' a waitin' at the end of his ride ♪ ♪ snowden snowden snowden ♪ [ applause ] >> stephanie: i hope it is the part of the airport with -- >> every part of the moscow airport has watka. >> stephanie: susan rice's interview with "the associated press" downplays the significance of leaks. it is debunk that they have damaged foreign policy. he's reportedly hiding out in a russian airport. putin has no intention of sending him back to the united states. comments echo the president's notion that he would be

scrambling jets to track snowden down. rice dismissed commentators that they made him a lame duck and hurt u.s. foreign policy. >> i guess tom hanks will play him in a movie. >> stephanie: with the thing in the airport. what movie was that? >> the terminal. >> stephanie: good one jim. >> was it bunk or argle bargle. >> stephanie: let's get a ruling on that. scalia. >> ruled it to be argle bargle. >> i was talking before we went on vacation about how having computers in cars can make them us is etible to mischief. former security adviser richard clark told "the huffington post" the fatal crash of journalist michael hastings was consistent with a car cyber attack.

there was reason to believe intelligence agencies from major powers including the united states know how to remotely seize control of the car. dr. kathleen fisher, program manager for doppler darpa part of the department of defense admitted that the pentagon was research for multicontrolling cars through hacking onboard computers. in 2011 "car & driver" magazine substantiated the research. currently there's nothing to stop anyone with skills from taking command of the vehicle. they can control everything from which -- whether the -- what the radio is playing or whether the brakes work. it is relatively easy way to hack into the control system of a car and to do things like cause acceleration when the driver doesn't want acceleration throw on the brakes when the driver doesn't want the brakes or launching the airbag. highly destructive things can be done through hacking a car and it is not that hard. >> stephanie: wow, there is a new excuse for the cops. >> he was careful not to hack

michael hastings car. he was about to release a bunch of wikileaks information. so if there were a cyber attack on the car i'm not saying there was, whoever did it would get away with it. i'm not a conspiracy guy. i spend most of my life knock down conspirator theories but you don't knock it down until you can prove it wrong. the case of michael hastings, it is consistent with a car's cyber attack. the problem is you can't prove it. i saw footage of his car going through the red light. he was going well over 100 miles per hour. witnesses say the car exploded before it hit the tree. and that the engine flew like 50 yards down the road. all of that is consistent with -- yeah. >> that's frightening. >> stephanie: wow. >> i was right. richard clark. >> stephanie: wow. next time, i'm going to say that. cyber attack. >> be wise to go buy a 1970 vw

bug and be on good terms with a really good mechanic. >> stephanie: befriend a mechanic quickly. eileen in new jersey. hello. >> caller: hi, stephanie. >> stephanie: hi. go ahead. >> caller: i've been listening to you for the last couple of months. you're wonderful. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: about rick perry in texas and the other republican governors and legislators tries to dictate to women, this is america's version of sharia law. they're so dead set against sharia law but they're doing the same exactling that sharia law does. these guys want to control women from the get go. you control women you control the world. >> stephanie: i loved -- i don't know if you happened to see "meet the press," but jim demint said some women might be happy to have a free sonogram and rachel maddow pointed out

no, no this is forced on you. this isn't choosing to have this done. this is a mandatory transvaginal probe, right? >> yeah. i've had them. they're not pleasant. believe me. >> stephanie: i listen. i believe you. >> caller: i didn't like it. when i volunteered for it. >> exactly. let me just second that, sister, amen. all right. not even with box wine and someone telling you it's pretty, it's not okay. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. hour number three. current tv land, ted butte os jr. coming up to talk to us about the supreme court doing last week. jacki schechner, i told you about this. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] senate republican leaders have sent letters warning six professional sports teams leagues not to provide the obama administration any assistance in promoting obamacare. >> the model they're trying to follow was in massachusetts when they implemented the healthcare plan they used the assistance of the boston red sox to get the word out about the plan and that helped with enrollment. the idea is to use popular sports stars to help get the word out to people who may not otherwise hear about how to enroll. >> stephanie: we don't want information and education in any way that might help people. >> yeah, well therein lies the

problem. if you want to repeal the thing for the 38th time, you want to keep people in the dark as long as possible. >> stephanie: thanks for helping once again. thanks republicans! you've been nothing but helpful. here she is. a helper by nature. jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. president obama and tanzanian president held a joint press conference they just wrapped up last hour. president obama mentioning his family's connection to east africa praising the work the nation is doing to promote democracy and briefly talking about power africa which is a new $7 billion plan he unveiled yesterday to double the area's access to licktricity over the next five years. in response to a question from abc regarding the huge protest going on in egypt right now calling for president morsi to step down, president obama says the u.s. priorities are to make sure that our embassies and consulates are secure, the protests remain as peaceful as possible and that president morsi uses the political process

to reach out and find a solution. >> obama: what is clear right now is that although mr. morsi was elected democratically, there's more work to be done to create the conditions in which everybody feels that their voices are heard and that the government is responsive and truly representative. >> the media also asked him about the current state of nsa leaker edward snowden who is basically camped out in the moscow airport. president says there has been high-level discussions with russia concerning snowden but because we don't have an extradition treaty, he's hopeful the russian government will make a decision that abides by law procedures regarding international travel. he says the administration officials are currently reporting in news reports that u.s. has spied on allies saying he's the end user of this information. if he wanted to know what they're thinking, he would ask them. we're back after the break.

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we had the win on wednesday. and then i got to see my clients get married on friday in san francisco. just the most thrilling experience to see that happen. it is a great time in america. >> stephanie: it is really is. just really an emotional week. i mean even though it's interesting. ted, when all of the legal experts we had on our show, this is exactly what they predicted would happen. it is hard to estimate emotionally how it felt when it did. >> it is impossible to underestimate it. when the doma decision came down, i was outside the court. the language of the court was exactly what we had been arguing in attacking prop 8. discrip nation relegates the wonderful couples to second tier relationships. the court used language in that case that will pave the way for striking down laws all around the country. and then in our proposition 8 case, the perry case, the court threw out the appeal by the other side which brings back

judge wapner's opinion which is sweeping broad and then, of course marriages have commenced in california. so with a story book ending, really. >> stephanie: i know that there were a few of us that were thinking could it actually be a broader ruling. but as you say they really did sort of give a playbook to the states and even charles krauthammer gay marriage is inevitable. >> that's exactly right. >> the principles that the court articulated, justice kennedy laid down in the defense of marriage act case. if you apply them to restrictions on marriage and other states i think it's inevitable, the result. you saw some of the dissenting justices making that point. so in a sense, it was just -- it is a brilliant way to take this first major step in a way that strikes down this terrible federal statute and sends the strongest possible message to the states. equality is the only way to go here. that's what the constitution requires. so it really played out well.

>> stephanie: somebody said just the look on ted olson and david boies' faces, you could tell what happened even if you had your sound off. >> exactly. hard to contain our own joy. we have all kinds of different cases we have and litigating, you always want to win for your client. when you have these people who want to get married and go on with their lives your own clients but these other couples. when sandy and kris' wedding was over, there were all of the couples lined up to get married because they want to share their lives together and be treated equally. it makes you smile. that's for sure. >> stephanie: wow. i have to say on a personal note i wrote rob and michelle reiner and said thank you. what can you say to people that are amazing straight allies. how much they in particular did to make this day happen, right? >> i did the same thing. in fact, they were leaders. they were -- they came up with this idea of saying we've got to

get into federal court and strike down proposition 8. i've never seen anything like this. they came up with a way to get it done. you cannot give them enough credit. they're just wonderful people. >> stephanie: it gives hope to everybody. that's political activism at its best. they put time, energy, connections, money and you know, to see this day happen, right? >> to me, it is so inspirational. it taught me a lot of lessons about what you can do with your life and with your time and with your energies that you can direct them in a way that helps other people that, helps us be a better country. and you know, just to me as a lawyer and as a person, i learned so much from working with them and seeing how this played out, i was so happy to be a part of it. >> stephanie: ted, talk to us about -- obviously what happened yesterday is what we thought justice kennedy denied request from the prop 8 supporters. boy, did this smack of sore loserdom. they cleared the way friday. gay marriages started. what was the point of that?

didn't they know what was going to happen? i was surprised. when you lose a case, if the supreme court -- at the supreme court level, it's over. and to file a motion seeking to stop people from getting married, after the supreme court has cleared the way just -- from a legal standpoint, i didn't think it made much sense. i was very pleased that justice kennedy acted so quickly on sunday. it was just before the pride parades here in california were starting. it was -- i think in some ways, they helped us because it added an extra zinger and exclamation point to the decision earlier in the week that that order came down and people could celebrate. >> stephanie: ted, talk to us about what happens now. as you and i talked about before this happened, i think the president alluded to it, now what happens? you're married. in massachusetts and you have to move to texas. particularly with the doma ruling, you know, i'm looking at a "huff post" headline, gay american debate continues in the

states after supreme court rulings, how is all of this going to play out? now we have this crazy patchwork legally around the country right? >> that's correct. we now have different laws and different states. we have 38 states that still have restrictions of some sort on same-sex couples getting married. what i think we're going to see is with the momentum, this wave as you know across the country from a political and public standpoint of support for equality. marriage equality. just equality. why would we want to discriminate against gay men and lesbians? people are saying there's no reason to. these are -- it makes no sense. so i think you're going to see the continued public wave grow. then i think in a legal standpoint, there will be more efforts legislatively to change the laws and then we're going to see more challenges under the federal constitution based on what happened in the perry case, attacking prop 8. the defense of marriage act case where the rationales from those two cases will be applied and

one by one or in groups, the other laws will fall. you saw justice scalia in his dissent predicting there would be a case back in the supreme court very soon. so i think we have a couple more rounds to go. that's how the civil rights battles play out. it takes a couple of rounds to squelch discriminatory laws but in the end that's what happens. then i think the public and the people will keep saying we've got to get rid of laws that discriminate like this. >> stephanie: that simply has led -- this has certainly led to the inevitability and the momentum argument for marriage equality right? >> exactly. once we -- and we talked about this during the trial. once we were able to put the focus on this issue and the lack of evidence on the other side for restricting marriage, i think bringing ted olson and david boies together, the republican the democrat, the bush v. gore opponents and saying we're putting aside politics here. this is not politics. you saw that really take hold when 130 republicans filed a

brief in the supreme court in support of our side. you saw hundreds of -- major american companies file briefs in saying this is not some side issue. this is a mainstream concern equality. so i think the litigation both in the defense of marriage act case the perry case, the discussion about the constitutional principles, civil rights, really fueled, helped fuel this incredible outburst of support and railing against discriminatory features in the law. i think it all came together so well. it helped having the president of the united states weigh in in support of marriage equality for the first time in the supreme court. >> stephanie: belated shout out to scalia for laying -- in the texas case, the sodomy case, he laid the ground work for this, didn't he? >> he really did. we had been relying on his dissent. then in his dissent -- defense of marriage act, he did it

again. and you know, i give him credit for calling it the way he's seeing it because i think the principles, when you start with equality they guide directly to the elimination of these restrictions at some point and i'm hoping it will be sooner rather than later and this is just such a great steppingstone to that. >> stephanie: you know, ted if you had to make a prediction, so this will have to happen state by state. is there a point of marriage equality? is there a timeframe that you see? >> it is not going to require each state's law be struck down one by one. i think we're going to see a series of additional cases at the federal level and at some point, i would say in the next couple of years, a case will get to the supreme court where there's standing, where there's no jurisdictional issue and the principles that we've seen -- that -- in striking down proposition 8 is the ruling that

now governs in california. >> stephanie: will we see our friend brought up earlier about the loving decision in virginia about interracial marriage that obviously the supreme court acted. do you think that's a possibility? >> i do. in fact, when we got into this case ted olson said this principle in loving versus virginia, these principles apply with equal force in the same-sex marriage context and if you apply the principles, the fundamental right the liberty interest which by the way justice kennedy talked about in the defense of marriage act case if you apply those in the context, there is only one result, that is that the laws have to follow. this was the first strong signal from the supreme court to the states. i think we'll see how -- they want to see how states react. and then at some point the case will go back to the supreme court and they'll issue a ruling. >> stephanie: i know legally i mention people have said that kennedy basically laid out a

road map for the states. can you tell us briefly what that is? how did he do that legally? >> sure. justice kennedy focused on the fact that the federal statute the defense of marriage act because it singled out and treated the relationships, the marriages under state law between same-sex couples as different, as unwealthy as second rate, that infringed on those couples and their children's liberty and freedom. it took away dignity component of their relationship. and then a law that does that serves no legitimate purpose. the road map is if you take that and look at restriction on same-sex marriage where there's not -- marriage isn't even allowed by the state those laws do that even worse. if you look at proposition 8 it said we don't want same-sex couples to be deemed as good as opposite sex couples. it is worse than what the defense of marriage act did in that sense.

so the force of that language creates a road map for just arguing across the board that the restrictions violate the constitution. the language, when we looked at the opinion, it is the language that we have been pushing in a proposition 8 case all along that the lower courts have adopted and so it is going to translate perfectly to the continued battle across the country. >> stephanie: wow. well, you know what, what i also wrote to the reiners is happy right side of history day. same to you. please give me thanks and love to ted and to david, if you will. >> i will do. thank you so much for having me on throughout the case and for everything else. have a great -- it is good to have you back and have a great week. >> stephanie: thanks, ted jr. golly, he's good. >> interesting talking about that couple named kris and sandy, either of those names could be female. >> jeff and paul, the other

plaintiffs, not so much. >> stephanie: that is a big gay marriage. 19 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> it's fun for ages 8 to 80. join us. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show."

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1-800-steph-12 the phone number. toll free from anywhere. big news bomb last week. dear god in heaven. what a week to take vacation. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] case you think douchiest thing that happened was rick perry in texas last week. check this out. just two hours after the supreme court reasoned discrimination is not rampant enough this inn orn states ask paula deen, texas is advancing a voter i.d. law and redistricting block for discriminating against black and latino residents. >> shocking. in texas, you say? >> stephanie: texas attorney general issued a statement declaring both measures may go into effect immediately now that there's no law stopping them from discriminating against minorities. [ applause ] >> oops. >> stephanie: april in l.a. you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hi, steph hi, mooks. >> stephanie: love you more than air. >> caller: if it's meaningful or

provides any context i am a straight african-american woman and i have a huge problem with the alec baldwin statements. huge. i was very kate -- critical of paula deen. she's too old or southern to know better. i don't think alec is too liberal or too anger management or too previously gay friendly to receive consequences. let's not have a double standard here. >> stephanie: yeah. >> caller: i'll put my foot up your rear, how about i would throw a watermelon at your head but you might catch it and eat it. >> you're absolutely right. >> stephanie: you're right april. good news keeps on coming. sarah palin floats the idea of leaving the republican party. oh no, don't go! [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] she responded to a twitter question about possibility of her and mark levine abandoning the party and creating something called the freedom party. >> sure, you go with that.

>> want to take away freedoms from americans? >> stephanie: would you and mark levine be willing to build a freedom party if the g.o.p. continues to ignore conservatives? >> yes. go! don't let them treat you like that. >> go, elsa, be free! palin suggested -- >> born free. >> stephanie: don't let them mistreat you. you will survive. you've got all of your life to live. all of your stupid thoughts to share. i'm sorry. she's open to the idea that the g.o.p. continues to abandon its conservative principles. others would follow suit. are you with me? right? [ crickets chirping ] bomb pearl harbor? who's with me? [ crickets chirping ] come on. she would be the bluto. jim's going to read the whole word -- that entire paragraph. >> i love the name of that party, the freedom party and if

the g.o.p. continues to apply for a platform of precipes that built this party of lincoln and reagan, more and more of us will start saying -- independent of the libertarians speak that much. we must back off and infringe upon our rights, lot of us staying if you abandon us, you have nowhere else to go. >> that sounds like a lot of argle bargle. >> remember, these are private parties. no one forces us to be in either party. >> stephanie: all right. [ applause ] >> george bush, a lot of things. >> in other words. >> stephanie: in other words because i don't know how to use my words. in other words say some more words. george bush is saying -- used to say in other words, he would say the same thing. he was the opposite of her. he was short on words. >> i decide.

i'm the decider. >> i made decisions with my decide tude. >> i command. in other words i'm the commander of commands. >> stephanie: he oftentimes didn't have words. >> same word, different order. >> stephanie: in her case, different words. >> surplus means bringing too much tax. i'm going to fix that. i sure did. >> stephanie: in her case, in other words means a lot of other -- they simply don't go together. like a scrabble board has exploded. >> magnetic poetry kits. just throw it at the fridge and she reads it. >> stephanie: right back on "the stephanie miller show." current tv is the place for compelling true stories. >> jack, how old are you? >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside.

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>> you mean -- >> stephanie miller. >> was once a baby? >> of course. now this was years and years ago. way back. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 34 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. paula in utah. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hey, paula. >> caller: hey stephanie. loved hal and jacki but we're glad you're back. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: i have a comment to the gentleman from texas that asked if polygamy should be legalized if gay marriage is. my thought is being gay is the way you're born. and polygamy is a choice so they're not equated. >> stephanie: well, you know i think there's that.

a caller awhile ago brought up an interesting thing. he said -- because obviously there is some dispute whether you're born that way, it is partially genetic, it could be choice but what difference should it make in a free country. we were talking about the loving decision with ted boutros. someone said were you born to sleep with the desire of someone with an opposite race or did you choose it. in a free country what difference should that make? >> caller: you're right. exactly. so are you saying that you think polygamy should be legal? >> stephanie: no. i'm saying what you're saying. that's a bad analogy because everybody knows we're talking about two consenting adults. i'm glad i actually -- chris probably last week, we missed most of the troll be gone slippery slope argument callers. we'll still get some this week. but jim in huntington beach on the very same subject. hi jim. >> caller: hello. yeah, you know, i thought about

this and i'm a married man. i find polygamy creepy and weird probably like most people. but i find it to be an interesting litmus test for people who claim to be libertarians. i find that they're usually just radical republicans and i would like to pose a question to them. what's wrong with polygamy. >> a lot of libertarians are for polygamy. >> caller: okay. the ones i seem to run across seem to conveniently fall back into what about the polygamy thing when gay marriage -- >> no. libertarians are therefore polygamy. >> caller: real libertarians. most people who claim to be libertarians, i don't think they're genuinely libertarians. they're hard core right wing conservatives. >> stephanie: that want to smoke weed and have orgies. >> caller: right. they don't want to be branded with the republican name so they call themselves libertarians but the fact of the matter is it's

between consenting adults. creepy and weird but in between you know, consenting adults. and it is just something to think about. it is freedom on a whole other level. >> maybe we should call them tea party republicans. >> key party. >> stephanie: gotcha. sara in virginia, you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hi. you were talking about libertarians. i've for a long time considered myself a conservative republican. i don't think i'm libertarian anymore. i'm angry at fox news. i'm really disagrees with a lot of their issues now. the main one this is off topic is the zimmerman trial. >> stephanie: right. >> i've heard fair and balanced, fair and balanced maybe because during the election, it was my view but i'm definitely not -- i think i'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal and so i -- but anyways, george zimmerman

trial is making me so angry because i've followed this from day one. they're putting this child on trial. >> stephanie: yeah. >> caller: they're making it a race issue. i truly don't think george zimmerman is racist. i think he was a vigilante wanna be barney fife guy. i think he had mental issues if you listen to the calls. the thing that makes me feel angry is you turn sean habit on. can't stand him. bill o'reilly. >> stephanie: you know, you can't go on -- you can't say he's a racist but i think there was a racial element. he said -- you know what he was saying. he was profiling. >> caller: he was profiling but i think fox news is being way more racist than he was. >> stephanie: that's fox news' job. >> the way they treated the poor girl up on the stand. >> stephanie: the friend that trayvon was on the phone with. >> it was disgraceful. she was just a 16-year-old girl. doesn't have the best command of

the english language. they were making fun of her for that. >> stephanie: i know. glad i missed it. okay. i was on vacation in tucson, by the way. i wanted to send another shout out. horrible tragedy in phoenix. 19 firemen. >> prescott. that's two -- it is nowhere near phoenix. >> stephanie: okay. >> guy battling fires there. >> stephanie: wow. it was our last day there, it was a record-setting heat wave that day. they told us last day we were there, death valley reached 127 degrees saturday. i love this, jim. nighttime lows were going to drop to 96 degrees so nice and cool. >> i was in palm springs on saturday and it was 120. >> we're going to see a lot more of that. >> stephanie: record setting heat wave will continue baking the southwest all week. already the hot spell set records in phoenix 119 degrees. and this is -- the prescott, arizona fire chief.

>> 19 firefighters were killed. in what is probably the worst disaster that's taken place in wildland history here in the state of arizona. >> stephanie: here he is again, dan -- >> the families are in terrible shock. the fire departments are like families so the entire fire department, the entire area, the entire state is being devastated by the magnitude of this incident. >> stephanie: anyway, all right, so thoughts and prayers go out. what a horrible -- as jacki reported at the top of the show, the worst since 9-11. >> worst loss of firefighters. >> stephanie: exactly. all right. what else did we miss? oh, i know, julian assange talking about edward snowden. >> hasn't been convicted of anything, there are no international warrants out for hit arrest. -- for his arrest.

>> stephanie: on vacation, we got to talking about -- as you know, i'm not down with it. i've been critical of him. i think he's hurt national security. but someone i was hiking with said i think we ought to send in a drone to russia and take him out. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: now you've lost me. >> your friends valerie and joe wilson have an article in "the guardian" about snowden. among other things. the nsa's industrial complex is ripe for abuse. he says snowden has been the object of scorn but once again the focus is misplaced on the transiently shiny object. the relevant issue should be what is the u.s. government doing to keep us safe from terrorists? >> stephanie: my point is, it is not up to him to decide. we didn't elect him. we elected a president and a congress. there is a supreme court. somebody was saying that even people that were with him you know, when he started talking to

the chinese and the russians and leaking stuff it hurts -- how do you say oh, that's okay? how is that helping americans? >> do we know what he did? no we don't. >> stephanie: i think we have an idea. >> anyway, they argue we're now dealing with a vast intelligence industrial complex largely unaccountable to its citizens. unchecked growth and increasingly heavy reliance on subcontractors to core intelligence. >> stephanie: that's a problem. we've talked about that. brian, one of the many -- did you get these chris? you've lost a listener? stephanie, i want to let you know you've lost a listener because of your defense of the nsa's spying program. i thought you were better than to defend the government's spying program. i don't think i can again listen to your show in good conscience. [ applause ] >> and on that they topic early polls of americans about their privacy concerns that the government might be collecting

data from phone calls indicate there's little alarm. there seems to be an acceptance or resignation to the practices. there's no proof the government has used the information based on their political views. there are no j. edgar hoover enemy lists as of yet. it is not difficult to envision a friend of a friend, what then. you may have no idea who this person is but near salt lake city, it will have made this connection. you would have explaining to do to an overzealous prosecutor. [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right, meanwhile, i'm just saying another fine american, jonathan tate at the new yorker, i just thought i had seen anyone talk about this but i think it is true. obviously, as we've said, there's been some fighting among liberals on this whole issue. his piece is entitled glen greenwald is ralph nader. he said his resemblance to ralph nader is not one so far as i can

tell but the resemblance is striking. glen greenwald is wildly litigious. greenwald does not believe in progress. nader was constantly denouncing liberal allies for failing to pass literations. many of us pick that he got george bush elected. nader championed a report by his staff savaging ed muskie, a liberal senator from maine he helped engineer the air quality act of 1967, had a reputation as an environmental ally but he called the act disastrous. nothing's pure enough for some liberals that you're never going to get anything done is my only point. he goes on to say that's the echo of greenwald's suspicionless of the democratic agenda. president obama scaled back the anti-terror policies, torture wireless wiretapping one could make the case he's not change enough. greenwald insists obama is worse

than bush. obama's healthcare reform is not a step along the way, it was a monstrous sellout that did no good at all. this is stuff i just like -- i disagree with glen greenwald on. this way of looking at the world faces one in conflict with most liberals willing to establish between gradations of success. nader and greenwald believe their analysis is not only correct but the only motivation one could have is corruption. good faith or rank stupidity is not possible. his liberal critics are lacking partisan skills. for greenwald like nader -- i heartily disagree. the only difference gore and bush is the velocity at which their knees hit the floor. greenwald insisted even if obama is the lesser of two evils he's the more effective of the two evils. that's patently idic louse. you don't -- ridiculous. you don't need to be an obama

apologist. >> going back to the nader gore thing. >> stephanie: go ahead. >> can't blame it all on nader. you got weak in the news because somebody at fox news reported that bush was winning when he clearly wasn't. you know. >> stephanie: yep. all right. 46 minutes after the hour. right back with the final moments of "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: it's not radio. it's "the stephanie miller show."

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♪ celebration ♪ ♪ we're going to celebrate and have a good time ♪ c'mon ♪ >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 51 minutes after the hour. the marriage equality party. i was on vacation. and in honor of prop 8, did i ask roland to marry me. >> aww! >> stephanie: we're both gay so it is a really, really gay marriage. however, i had not seen this. i have a future husband from wisconsin that jesse sent me. look his picture. he also has the benefit of being a little cross-eyed. a man who was caught last year having sex with a couch discarded on a wisconsin street pled guilty to a public lewdness charge. >> as you do. >> stephanie: his 11:00 p.m. furniture tryst -- that's about the time that it starts looking good. >> was this a leather couch? >> stephanie: interrupted by an off-duty cop-out jogging. the cop said could see the

male's hips thrusting up and down on the couch when he yelled what are you doing? that seems like an obvious question. >> superfluous question. >> stephanie: i'm [ bleep ] this couch. >> he's just stretching out his back. >> doing yoga. >> stephanie: dismounted the loveseat and ran away. >> it is not even a couch. a loveseat. >> stephanie: why do you think it's named that? you know it wants it. >> that loveseat asked for it. >> stephanie: as the suspect fled the cop reported he could see the defendant's penis was erect. >> oh! >> tmi. >> stephanie: what's next? a man is going to marry a couch. see what happens? slippery slope. that's a really slippery slope. >> stephanie: okay. so i vacationed with roland and hot brie who was extra hot because it was like 1,000 degrees in tucson over at canyon

ranch. i was thinking about vacationing in that little part of the airport where tom hanks and edward snowden go. julian assange. >> the united states by canceling his passport has left him for the moment marooned. >> stephanie: marooned. >> another movie. snowed snowden snowden snowden ♪ ♪ snowden snowden snowden ♪ ♪ he just keeps on rollin' ♪ ♪ with his stolen ♪ ♪ whistles he's a blowin' ♪ ♪ a lot of it is for showing ♪ ♪ edward calculating the fbi's a waitin' ♪ ♪ a waitin' at the end of his ride ♪

♪ snowden snowden snowden snowden ♪ ♪ ya ♪ >> stephanie: thank you rocky mountain mike. here's one for the isn't it ironic file? c.i.a. memo asking people to stop leaking to the press gets leaked to the press. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] c.i.a. director john brennan sent out an agency memo attempting to crack down on agency leaks to the media. how do we know this because the c.i.a. memo in question was leaked to "the associated press." they detail how the c.i.a. is trying to reign in this thing that let the a.p. write about this kind of thing. >> wilsons write the shock and surprise that snowden exposed secrets is hard to understand whenever 1.4 million americans hold top secret clearances. you're going to have some leaks. >> they're not all government workers. a lot of them are contractors.

>> yeah. >> stephanie: some of them don't have the decency to change their names. my name is leaky mcleakerson i would like to have a job. chris christie is obviously running. very slowly. >> he's lost some weight. >> he had that surgery thing. >> stephanie: taking shots at his hold buddy the president -- weren't they winning stuffed animals for each other on the boardwalk a month ago? chris christie continued to tack to the right during a town hall -- look out! about to capsize. >> starboard. starboard would be to the right. >> stephanie: right. sorry, captain. during a town hall meeting he touted his conservative republican credentials. criticizing the president about 10 minutes into the event. he said i know when you look at washington right now you shake your head at the president who can't figure out how to lead. a congress who has 11% of the

people in the last poll i saw approve of the job they're doing. that's the president's fault that the republican congress isn't popular. that's what happens when you have someone in the executive officer who is more concerned about being right than getting things done. yeah. he's reached out how many thousands of times and gotten his handsawed off. so yeah. their popularity is his problem. i didn't see this one. never a dull moment. here's some other things we missed last week. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] wendy davis god bless her i think it was almost 11 hours her filibuster in texas senate, trying to close virtually every abortion clinic in the state. >> except for five. >> stephanie: bill tweeted we had terrorist in the texas state senate opposing sb5. she's a terrorist. >> because you oppose a bill in the texas -- a little

hyperbolic. >> stephanie: right. tennessee. complaining about drinking water is also terrorism. apparently there is a lot of local -- getting sick. >> fracking. >> stephanie: republican wrote if there's no water quality issues this that can be considered an act of terrorism. wowee. okay. >> so using your first amendment rights to complain about the fact that they're poisoning the water makes you a terrorist. >> right. >> stephanie: and pennsylvania. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] even talking about gay marriage violates god's law. pennsylvania's state representative brian sims is openly gay. he wanted to share his excitement about the supreme court ruling. he was silenced -- he was not allowed to speak. >> because he's a terrorist. >> stephanie: right. he's a gay terrorist clearly. yes. republican representative darryl darryl daryl metcalfe said i did not believe i should let him make comments he was preparing to make.

rebelling what the word of god has said and open rebellion against god. >> so you're an open rebellion against the first amendment of the constitution. >> no, don't speak. don't speak. don't speak. silence, silence! don't speak! >> when did god's law become america's law? >> stephanie: you shoo. all right. that's it for us. i would like to thank chris lavoie, jim ward, t-bone on phones. we'll see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller show."

>> 19 firefighters have died in arizona battling a wildfire 80 miles northwest of phoenix. it is the largest loss of fire crews in the u.s. since 9-11. lightning sparked the fire on friday and high heat combined with low humidity and strong winds pushed the blaze across 2,000 acres. firefighters lost were part of the hotshots crew who carry heavy gear into the blaze and build walls of protection against the front lines. they had deployed their emergency fire shelters digging holes covered with fire resistant material when the fast-moving elements overwhelmed them. in addition to the devastating loss of life, the fire so far has destroyed some 250 homes and forced the evacuation of 50 more. president obama speaking at a press conference in