enclave of the corner of car box, ice or bodies on one. last week its military hit the region again and since then about 30000 ethnic, armenians have fled. tens of thousands more are trying to do the same. is this an emergency evacuation, or is this a permanent exodus those waiting to leave stuck at the border? they'll tell you they're not planning to ever come back. i'm bring coughing, berlin, this is the day the board meeting. and so it is absolutely essential that evacuation be facilitated by the government advisor by john through 5th. i left everything else behind everything. a 3 story house with pigs chickens. it though, there are still tens of thousands of ethnic armenians who

are there living in very vulnerable conditions. why do they like this? why doesn't the worst entering also coming up being you as president binding on the picket line with all the workers in detroit as he and donald trump vine for support from blue color workers to our viewers watching on p b. as in the united states into all of you around the world, welcome. we begin today with thousands of ethnic armenians on the wrong and why that matters from russia to america, from turkey to ukraine. 2 years ago, armenia felt a war against either by john over the enclave of new gore, no cover or bar, which is home to a 120000 ethnic armenians. armenia lost by the ethnic tensions between orthodox

armenians and muslim azerbaijan, as it did not go away last week, either by john's military launched a whitening attack on newborn oak, auerbach triggering tens of thousands of people to fully most if not all our ethnic armenians of this conflict had its genesis and the 1980s. soviet union, with the soviet union collapsed. new alliances formed armenia with russia, either by john with turkey, which is a native, remember. but recently armenian has accused russia neglecting its commitments and being preoccupied, distracted by its more in ukraine. the kremlin has tried to shame our media for quote, forwarding with the west. we have more now on the people caught in a region that is flirting. once again with the crisis. they flee and cause buses and trucks. vehicles choke the road leading out of know going a car back into. i mean,

yeah. the people crowd inside have exhausting edge on their faces. many spend the night on the roads. they fear they are leaving the ancestral lands. so good to make that happen. oh no we astray, doctors will miss. that is, i will stay to let the world know that we have stray dogs, monday, many ethnic i medians. and i go on a car, but i feel they have no choice but to pack up their things and leave us by john, located them for 9 months before it's mastery swooped in. last week. everything is lacking, including the fuel to leave this lead to disaster. when a gas talk exploded and a petrol station of people q, late on monday evening, over a 100 dead, and many more injured of the explosion, sending flames shooting into the night sky. some of the plastic games with treat this kind of accurate is by rushing peacekeepers on tuesday. they have been

stations, and not going to call her back since, as a by john rest as much of the enclave from him being in separate his forces in 2020 of the decades of into ethnic tensions means. feet on safe with the other by john is now fully in charge. as the exodus continues, this fathers were united with his daughter on the armenians side of the border. a moment of relief at a time of desperation. of a more no, i'm joined by lawrence brewers, he's an associate of zillow at chatham house. he's also an expert on the congress's region, or just going to have you with this after the events of the past few days. and just considering the vast numbers of ethnic armenians who are leaving newborn of kyra, but would you say that this is the end of the armenian population in that region? a well, it's definitely the end. i think of any aspirations to self rule to sovereignty or

independence, which is of course what the car, but i mean the movement was the balance of the began in the late 19 eighties. uh whether that will be a smaller population. the residual population that lives on in car boss is on the we've seen approximately 30000 car by millions of pouring of into our media. there are talks ongoing between car but how many representatives and there's advise you on the officials on the terms of integration and but i think there is a huge fear that car behind his po and they are the essentially moving birching with their feet and leaving us and we heard it today from the foreign policy adviser to the leader of iser by john following talks in brussels emergency talks that were held between our medias announcer by john. that are, as you, by john, has nothing to hide in. you're going to have cover bought it yet. at the same time

we heard that there's no reason for international observers to be on the ground there. uh how, how do you read that or well, i think that's a very ambiguous situation. we don't know what happened to the number of outlying areas during the mid mid it results that took place last week, that has been persistent calls for a humanitarian access and assistance to be offered. both to those are medians. best on now in our media, but to those that are still in as of by john. so, you know, i think there's an urgent need for that. we need i as and he is on the ground. otherwise, it's basically an information vacuum in a very potent rise and very co arm. and unfortunately we do, we know the armenia, is it able to cope with these huge numbers of people coming over the border, who are mostly ethnic armenians, with a prime minister bombing into compassion. young has said that media is ready to

host up to $40000.00 families, which would certainly be enough to cover the whole of the population that might come from car. but i think there's a lot of doubts about how prepared media actually is. and i think there's going to be a need for a sustained humanitarian support a to on media as it we settled these people, what we're hearing from carver. how mean instead of trusting every to i mean yet, is that they do not expect to go back. now, so we're looking at a long time integration program unfortunately. and what about geo politics and all of this? the european union today hosted these talks between our media and iser by john and he does brussels? does it have a role to play here? or what i think in the way we see the failure of both euro atlantic, diplomacy and russian geo politics. russia was historically the immediate to hear it imposed its vision of a ceasefire arrangement in 2020,

at the end of the last 4. and it has now basically stood aside in the face of another by johnny operation. the european union, i think has been left in this position where it has been advocating for a governance solution to the conflict human rights and so on. and it has just been left picking up the tab for a humanitarian catastrophe. it's pledged somewhere in the region to find leading euros for humanitarian. so i think it's very important that talks to continue because there is a great stretch of further instability in the region. so we do need an organization agreement between ami here and as of right here. do you agree with what we're hearing from our media that the armenians feel that they have been neglected by russia because russia has been preoccupied with it's more in ukraine. i think this distraction rushing destruction with the war and ukraine is positive id, but i think it's also shifting value for russia of its respective relationships

with on media and as a by john, as the by john and it's ally, cherokee have become much more important to rush, it was the results of the ukraine war. russia is looking at different ways to remain connected to having a connectivity that can work around sections and both turkey and as a bunch on play key roles in that. so i think we're seeing a russia that is, is kind of steps down. it's been demoted from regional headphones to a pop in and as a, by john cherokee access to realign this of focuses. so, you know, as much as i think this has been a failure for russia as well as for the west. yeah. if we, you see the west, i'm wondering what role the united states has to, to play here. um, you know, our media does have a democratically elected leader, and that is the country that appears to be not getting the support that it is at expecting from russia. it should the us be coming in and supporting

it the way it supporting ukraine as well. i think there's a, there's a huge difference uh with the ukraine complex, in the sense that, uh, russia invaded ukraine. and i think there's a place of geo political script, west and audiences understand who the bad guy is. i think that is more complicated in the mean, you know, so by johnny conflict each side has been on the receiving end of the terrible atrocities and, and suffering at different cycles. in the conflict and united states, i think very much wants the european union to take the lead with offset. you know, i think the car behind meetings do feel very much abandoned by the international community, various assurances that that wouldn't be mine and some that's, you know, a campaign for rights and security would pay off, have been proven completely false. so there is a huge sense of disillusionment and disappointment and that's going to affect,

i mean just politics in the long term, lawrence from us. we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight. we appreciate your analysis as well. thank you. thank you very much. in the united states president by has visited striking all the workers in the midwest state of michigan in an unprecedented show of support. now it's the 1st time a sitting who was president is joined in striking workers on the picket line. the all the workers you get is demanding a 40 percent pay raise after years and concessions. well, us car makers have re record profits, former president and republican candidate donald trump. he's due to visit michigan, which is a key battleground state and next year's election, who's due to visit mich, michigan? tomorrow? the dw is abraham. she is in detroit covering the strikes and the presidents who's on the picket line. i've been here all morning speaking to striking workers and it

really is a mixed bag. some of them really appreciate the president's visit because they say this brings national and even international attention to their cause and present bite. and today did say that with a, you know, record pay for ceo's record profit, they should get their fair share as well. we should also note that president, former president donald trump, will be visiting detroit tomorrow. so some see the positive attention that this brings them. others, however, are wary of how their clothes might be politicized. how it may be taken advantage of by politicians. and they tell me that this is really a fight between the union and the head of a the, the big 3 the, the auto makers. and that politician shouldn't be here trying to a riley votes on the back of their cause. that was dw is, are you bringing their reporting from detroit? i want to pull in now jeremy zurich. he's

a professor of public affairs in history at the university of texas in austin. he's also author of the book, the possible presidency, the rise and fall of america's highest office. jeremy, it's good to have you on the program on. i assume you saw the president today. why is president by the, the 1st us president to ally himself so clearly with striking workers? so throughout most of american history, brent american presidents have actually sided with management versus workers. when presidents have sided with workers, they have sought to appear to be non partisan, non partial, and they've tried to play a role that is not directly engaged with this strikes. this is really unprecedented for a sitting president to go and so closely identify himself with a union strikers and to say as he did today, that he believes they need to be paid more. that's not an impartial position. he's taking, he's not my go managing the details,

but he is very clearly siding with the interest of workers and with the claims they're making to their strikes. but it's also not an outrage is claimed to say i, i think, you know, hardworking people should be paid more, particularly in this error of inflation. that's one thing. the other thing is he didn't talk very long. i mean, we were talking in the news room. i, i don't think he even spoke longer than a minute. so were you shocked by the fact that you know, he was bearing gone in the blink of an eye? no, i think he actually gave a lot of photo opportunities to the union workers. he spoke doable with an american flag on it of course. and then he walked amidst the workers and shook hands. and i think he was trying to give the impression that he was one of them. he didn't look like any one from management. he was wearing a union sweatshirt union at i think that's significant in the united states. again,

remember, most of our history presidents have either stood against unions and that was the case with wrong thing. and it was even the case. give me partner or presidents have tried not to take aside. this is quite a strong step in the direction of unions at a critical moment in our economy. as i was reading through your book, which is fast to date, by the way you say that the american presidency is broken, was what we saw today was kate, or can it be characterized as an attempt at repair? yes, i think that is what biden is all about, whether he succeeding or not, as a matter of opinion and my opinion changes day to day. i have to say based on what i see. but what he is trying to do is re establish the presidency as an office that speaks to all americans across divisions. it's one of the challenges president space today, whether they're democrats or republicans. and he is trying to show that the

president can make progress on key issues that matter. for ordinary people, that's also become more difficult for presidents. so he's trying, the question is whether he is succeeding and whether he's persuading people that what he's doing is worth doing. okay, and so let's keep that in mind with, with what we're going to see it tomorrow. we're going to have a former president. donald trump is basically planning to do the same thing and put that into this picture of the, the, the health of the us presidency. and what diagnosis did you come out with as well? so what president trump is doing tomorrow is actually quite normal for a candidate for president. the strange thing about it is that he is a former president himself and that he's also facing for criminal indictments, but it is quite common for challengers to presidents, especially those who want to appeal to working class voters traditionally that would be candidates on the left. they have gone and stood among our workers. the

most famous of these cases be eugene v. debs who ran for president and 19 we received almost a 1000000 votes. he was directly advocating for workers. so this is not unusual. someone running for office will always try to appeal to those who are angry or seem to be angry in the streets and say, i will do better for you. the question is whether trump's claim will be credible. trump claims to speak for workers, but he is not pro huge. it's very hard to interpret anything he's done as in any way helping unions. and we know that part of the united automotive workers, right, is that this transition to electric vehicles is going to mean job cuts, add that in mind. what is biden doing that? and he's saying, i'm one of you. but i'm also in case you forgot, i'm, i'm the president who is pushing us into a what 0 emissions future. i mean, there,

there's lots of contradictions here. the, do you think the, the voters are, are seeing these contradictions as well? i think that's the big question. what biden is trying to do is turn this contradiction to his advantage, as you say so well, brooks, he's pushing us the united states as the world is moving towards electric cars towards addressing climate change. and that gives him credibility with the leaders of industry because he's giving them support for that. he's trying now to say to workers that i want to help you with this transition. that's precisely what franklin roosevelt. and at the time when the american economy was the only major transition, particularly from agriculture to industry, roosevelt put himself on the side of the transition, but also helping people make that transition. that's what joe biden is calling by the nomics. the question is whether he's persuading people or not, but i think that's what he was trying to do. and that's why he believes he can appeal to the workers and to the business leaders at the same time. and if we pull

this out and broader beyond the, the, all the industry you have written that americans have inherited a presidency built for another time and that it needs to be reformed. and you also say that presidents are simply trying to do too much in too many places. let me play devil's advocate here. is it really the, the demands that are too much or is it the fact that the president's look, just like members of congress are always in campaign boat? isn't that what the real problem here is? they never actually get to do what they're elected to do in the 1st place or except both of those things. so problems, yes. people are constantly campaigning and what are the points in making the book? it's not original to the book is that campaigning is different jobs and the skills of campaign they are different from government. so yes, that's a big problem. but i also think that fundamentally the executive office of any

major country, whether it's the united states or germany, is designed to address the bread and butter issues, ordinary americans, what our presidents spend too much time on, or the cultural issues, issues such as a russian, what what is in schools, guns, those are not issues that precedents have the power to address. and those are not issues where they've shown any way of making progress. but they can make progress on bread and butter economic issues because they have the power of the 1st and they have the power to actually effectuate how resources are used in our country. yeah, you're making very good points towards washington was an election to be president at the time when the americans didn't want to have a king anymore. maybe people forget that sometimes jeremy through the university of texas in austin. it's good talking with the jeremy. come back and talk with this a guess. thank you for having me. of the now to ukraine and to that

destruction of the nova cuff cove. good them that happened this past summer and blowing up the damn cause devastating floods which ruined the crops in a region where people depend on forming it to feed their families and to make money . the reservoir itself was the region. so water supply and with that go on, people are now fearful for their futures use much. it's under as more and this report late summer and across and everything revolves around water. they say to mom asked us to please get some water. we have transport. it's difficult for her to walk, to carries a little. unless you look at this, this isn't ecological disaster. the water supply in this town is dry. what's provided in these barrels is whipped, but it's not safe to drink. the town provides some drinking water, but it's simply not enough for everyone. people like you could email bought

optional, but have to organize that themselves. she takes us to our house, getting that as a mathematics and physics teacher. but like most villages here, her family lives off the land. the lack of water, even for a regression, has become an extra central threat. what's the ad on that is early coverage to see if this is made of cabbage. you can tell from believe someone that we've got brocly there when they used to water their crops from the kafka arrested for but since the dam was destroyed, that's no longer an option. they spend money on drilling equipment to take a well. they could only afford to go 36 meters deep. they can use the waterfront, the fields, and around the house. but it's not good to drink. school was on systems when i was brushing my teeth in the morning. the water was like baking soda. it feels like i'm rinsing my mouth with baking powder solution sort of a sort of in the store. so that's a small village is like if you're not here and across the field, they're being left behind. while in nearby nick,

a pole. sitting dollars may have water, but have different worries. from here on what used to be the bank of the reservoir, you can see russian hill territory. separate your nuclear power station is just 10 kilometers away. the whole can meet the dish and what's the horrible they occupied that city. on april 3rd, 2022. they entered with their troops and it became clear that they would terrorize us from over there. not that it was a lot this to who missed the details of the city can use with water is left in the reservoir, but the russians are trying to stop them every so often the russians hit their target. hopes the size, uh, lots of the shelling continues today, the business for that, and it's worse wherever there is a pumping station. and show more in order to deprive us of water ship lifting us will be leaving the people of makeup all without water until services restored. the

regional administration is working on a permanent solution there, laying a pipe connection to comple to this a party just city water system. they hoped to be done before winter. there's no such plan for villagers back across lena and her husband of unloading the planted less than normal the season knowing water would be scarce. but your plans to plant more next season. hopeful the new will, will help keep everything going at least for a while. not long ago, the water that filled this space and help feed this village and people would swim and sundays on the rocks. what do you do? you know, tells us the village of say that because there is no water wolves or crossing over from the other side, most of yeah, maybe it would be good for the ecosystem for nature, for animals. but it would be best for us for the residence of the village itself on a slot. no one knows whether the dam will be rebuilt or whether nature will be left

to take over the basin. she says the villagers say if the reservoir has not failed again, they'll probably all have to leave. that was dw xbox. it's under reporting. well, today's almost done the conversation. he continues online and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody the

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