and elsewhere that we have mutual defense treaties and we will honor them. it is essential that america's word be good, and so i know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on the part of many leaders across the globe. i've talked with a number of them, but i want to, on behalf of myself and i think on behalf of a majority of the american people, say that, you know, our word is good. it's also important that we look at the entire global situation. there's no doubt that we have other problems with irant , bu personally i'd rather deal with the other problems having put that lid on their nuclear program than still to be facing that, and donald never tells what you he would do. would he have started a war? would he have bombed iran? if he's going to criticize a

deal that has been very successful in giving us access to iranian facilities that we never had before, then he should tell us what his alternative would be, but it's like his plan to defeat isis. he says it's a secret plan, but the only secret is that he has no plan. so we need to be more precise in how we talk about these issues. people around the world follow our presidential campaigns so closely, trying to get hints about what we will do? can they rely on us? are we going to lead the world with strength and in accordance with our values? that's what i intend to do. i intend to be a leader of our country that people can count on both here at home and around the world to. make decisions that will further peace and prosperity, but also stand up to bullies whether they're abroad or at home. we cannot let those who would

try to destabilize the world, to interfere with american interests and security -- >> two minutes is expired. clinton: any opportunity at all. trump: can i say something quickly? moderator: very quickly. trump: i will go quickly. hillary will tell to you go to her website and read about all about how to defeat isis, which could have defeated it by not having it go in the first place. it's getting tougher and tougher to defeat them, they are in more and more states and nations and it's a big problem. and as far as japan is concerned, i want to help all of our allies, but we are losing billions and billions of dollars. we cannot be the policemen of the world. we cannot protect countries all over the world where they're not paying us what we need. moderator: a few final questions. trump: she's got no business ability, we need heart, a lot of things. you have to have some basic ability. and sadly she doesn't have.

that all of the things she's talking about could have been taken care of during the last ten years while she had great power. if she wins this race, they won't be taken care of. moderator: this year secretary clinton was the first woman nominated for president by a major party. earlier you said she doesn't have, quote, a presidential look. she's standing here right now, what did you mean by that? . trump: she doesn't have the look, the stamina, i don't believe she has the stamina. to be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. moderator: the quote was i don't think she has a presidential look. trump: did you ask me a question? you have to be able to negotiate our trade deals, you have to be able to negotiate. that's right. with japan, with saudi arabia. can you imagine we're defending saudi arabia and with all of the money they have, we're defending them and they're not paying. all you have to do is speak to

them. wait. you have so many different things you have to be able to do, and i don't believe hillary has the stamina. moderator: let's let her respond. clinton: well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidence and opening of new opportunities and nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. [cheers and applause] . trump: the world -- let me tell you. hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. we have made so many bad deals. it is bad, bad experience. whether it's the iran deal that you're so in love with where we gave them $150 billion back, whether it's the iran deal, whether it's anything you can -- you almost can't name a good deal.

i agree. she's got experience, but it's bad experience, and this country can't afford to have another four years of that kind of experience. moderator: we are at the -- [cheers and applause] . moderator: we are at the final question. clinton: one thing, he tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs, and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. trump: i never said that. clinton: women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good as i job as men. and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them, and he called this woman miss piggy, then he called her miss housekeeping, because she was latina.me. trump: where did you find this?

clinton: she has become a u.s. citizen and can you bet she's going to vote this november. trump: really? okay, good. let me just tell you -- moderator: take ten seconds and the final question. trump: hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials, some of it said on entertainment, some of it somebody who has been vicious to me, rosie o'donnell, i said tough things to her, everybody would agree she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her. i was going to say something -- moderator: quickly. trump: extremely rough to hillary, to her family, and i said to myself, i can't do it. i just can't do it. it's inappropriate. it's not nice. but she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue, they're untrue and they're misrepresentations and i will tell you this, lester, it's not nice, and i don't deserve that. but it's certainly not a nice

thing that she's done. it's hundreds of millions of ads and the only gratifying thing is i saw the polls come in today, and with all of that money -- moderator: we have to move onto the final question. trump: i'm either winning or tied, i've done practically nothing. [cheers] . moderator: one of you will not win this election, my final question tonight, are you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voter, secretary clinton? clinton: i support our democracy, sometime you win, sometimes you lose, but i certainly will support the outcome of this election, and i know donald is trying very hard to plant doubts about it, but i hope the people out there understand, this election is really up to you, it's not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the kind of country and future you want, so i sure hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on it because i think it does. moderator: mr. trump, quickly,

will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters? >> i will make america great again, we are a nation that is seriously troubled. we're losing jobs. people are pouring into our country. the other day we were deporting 800 people, and perhaps they passed the wrong button, pressed the wrong button or worse than that, it was corruption. but these people we were going to deport for good reason, ended up becoming citizens, ended up becoming citizens, and it was 800 and now it turns out it might be 1800 and they don't even know. moderator: will you accept the outcome of this election? trump: i want to make america again, i don't believe hillary will, if she wins, i will absolutely support her. moderator: that does it for us, that concludes our debate for this evening. a spirited one, we covered a lot of ground, as i suspected we wouldn't. next debate is october 9th at washington university in st. louis, and october 19th at

the university of nevada las vegas. the conversation will continue. the vice presidential debate is scheduled for october 4th at longwood university in virginia. my thanks to hillary clinton and donald trump and to hofstra university for hosting us tonight. good night, everyone. [applause] . neil: all right, that was interesting, and i think it's fair to say that these two are not necessarily big fans of each other. donald trump scoring well when it came to economic or business issues. hillary clinton doing better when they got to foreign policy/national security issues. bottom line, they each had their strength, they each had their moments. i'm joined by colleagues and friends trish regan and lou dobbs. as the families gather right there. you know these things are so hard to do.

a split, quick judgment on, but i felt that in trump's case, lou, whenever it concerned business and trade deals and the markets and his sense of appreciation the fed's role in propelling these markets, he was on strong footing, comfortable footing. when it veered into the other issues, she got her footing back. what is your sense? >> i think it's interesting, because he did something i did not expect, and that was he came at her very hard. neil: extremely. >> he decided it was time. he had had a bellyful as it appeared to be. at that point the debate got awfully interesting to me, and he did make, i think, some terrific points. he was weak oaths as you suggest, and specifically he had opportunities where he could have talked about in cybertheft. her entire e-mail scandal, he let that go.

he could have done a number of things. she started calling him names, talking about crazy talk, living in an alternate reality, calling him effectively a racist. i thought that was a very weak moment for her, and you wonder, well, what was that all about, and didn't she have something better to say? >> perhaps she was trying to provoke him. neil: that one website was referring to that, he took the bait. >> and he did. perhaps the worst moment for him in this entire debate was when he started going on about his conversation with sean hannity. he mentioned you first, neil. neil: actually howard stern first. >> that's right, howard stern, he spoke to you and told you he wasn't in support of the war and mentioned sean hannity and kept going and going and going. he had performed quite well. there were pockets he was weaker than others, he was extremely strong, came out guns

blazing on the economy. neil: very comfortable, that always is his strong spot. you know, without being patronizing here, since i'm not a woman. do you think that he reached women tonight? >> i think he's got a ways to go. when he talks about the economy and when he talks about security, those are two things that really resonate with women. bottom line, we want to be secure, and we want our children's future to be secure. neil: that goes beyond gender. >> well, beyond gender. i think women really feel this. when you've got people getting, you know, as hurt as we have seen people here in this country with these mass shootings, with isis, with the tragedies that we've seen in charlotte and other cities, i mean, you've got a real issue that, yes transcends gender, but i think women, i don't

know, i'm a mom, i've got three little kids i want to protect, and these are things that relate to them. when he stays on law and order, the economy, fighting isis, the better he does. neil: here's the split screen, you see it, listening to her, i don't know what those kinds of things mean, but he looked angry at times and she looked condescending a number of times. >> almost? neil: i guess whatheim i'm saying is we know this settles in with the american people and the split screens get a lot of attention. >> i think you're right. when you say almost condescending. the woman was trying -- i thought we were looking at the queen of hearts -- [laughter] >> she's rolling her eyes and

had a very condescending and dismissive expression when he didn't use her language. he is talking -- and i think it's important here. he's talking to the american voter. he's not talking to a foreign policy either career diplomat or in the foreign service of the state department. he's talking to folks who really don't really, on most occasions care where the country is. neil: oftentimes he would ignore lester holt's question to go right to an issue and get back onto bad trade deals. sometimes it didn't have to do with the question at hand, and an adept politician will do that. she did it a couple of times as well. you're not answering the question. >> i think people recognize that. you know, i think they both had their points they wanted to make and they wanted to drill down on. people are saying, okay, right

at the end there, for example, when lester said will you support whoever becomes the president? and he gave a long answer and said yeah, of course i'm going to support who is president. he got his talking points in there. that's a style every politician employs. >> i was frankly surprised at that question. not only do we have third world airports. we have a third world electoral system when we find out there is more reason to worry about that. neil: maybe the genesis of that was, and i think it was way overplayed in the media, his saying this he thinks this election could be rigged, the process is rigged. the media rigged against me. >> you don't think it's rigged against him in the national liberal media. neil: he's telegraphing if she wins he wouldn't honor that. >> now we start divining dog whistles and everything. i have to say it is such, to me, an unfair advantage that

the democratic nominee has in this country right now because of the liberal national media. that it is perfectly clear, understandable to the voter us when say it's a rigged system, it's a rigged system. when you go beyond that and you talk about the prevalence of electronic voting which there is no paper audit trail, it is a rigged system and potentially as they talked about cyberattacks. we, 30 million people in the office of personnel management of the federal government had all of their personal data hacked, and without response. we've seen hacks, cyberattacks across the entire federal government without a response from this administration. neil: you know what i noticed too, and trish your thoughts on this. there was a lot more fact checking or trying to pin him down than hillary clinton and trying to pin her down. on the e-mails, on bad trade deals, on controversial trade deals. very, very clear that it was

going to be much more zeal going after him, which is fine, if you want to do that, but very different if you want to try to get a sense of fairness. >> let's not forget the fbi came out with a new report showing that murder rates are way up throughout the country and she started talking about how murder rates have gone down considerably. neil: easy layup for lester to say, just an fbi report out today that shows that murders are going up. kennedy is in the spin room here, behind us in what they call the scrum and get a sense of what people are saying? >> neil, this is the scrumiest of scrum. it's a triangulation of scrump, geometric shapes that have not been invented that encapsulate what the media is trying to pounce upon. we're waiting for someone to come through and talk to us, press up against us. these glorious barriers separating us from really

figuring out who won this debate tonight and how exactly the people who are going to spin like a 45 what they're going to say about their respective candidates. we don't know if either of the candidates are going to come down this hallway and into our pool of curiosity, but we are certainly hoping that that happens tonight, and obviously, they are going to recite memorable lines and memorable moments and everyone is going to try and press the chess game in their favor, and we will see what happens. so far a lot of people that i have seen online calling it a draw, and you know, there is some disappointment from trump supporters really wishing that their candidate had taken some of those moments, those opportunities, especially when talking about either her server or her health, and he let several opportunities pass him by. the good news for them is there are three debates.

this is only the first one, and we'll see what lessons will be learned and gleaned from these candidates going forward to st. louis and las vegas. >> may i compliment kennedy? kennedy, i think that is one of the most eloquent descriptions, analysis a reporting on an absence scrum as if there were such a scrum. neil: exactly. >> in a number of shapes before you. >> thank you, lou. >> thank you. neil: kennedy, let me emphasize on, this normally it's all the campaign surrogates who go through the door, but donald trump having covered a number of debates, he will routinely go to a spin room after a debate. normally on this level in a main event do you see candidates do that. do you think donald trump might or hillary clinton might to put their own spin on what we just heard? >> i wouldn't be surprised if either candidate came out right now. i think it would behoove them

both to face the press and make their case and really squeeze the last bit of juice out of tonight that they possibly can, so they can leave that final impression that they were, in fact, the victor here tonight on the stage. neil: that's something i look forward to seeing, but you know, trish regan, i think i interrupted you prior as we wait to see who comes out there. these are always judged after the fact on things either we weren't focusing on or suddenly get a light of their own after the fact. what stands in either candidate, good or bad, to get like a life of its own? >> well, she had the trumped-up bit that she brought out tonight. you will probably hear more about that, and then of course, one of his failures tonight was when he got offpoint and off-topic and went in circles and brought up sean hannity. earlier he wasn't quite strong.

think about when lester holt asked them about jobs, what was the plan? she had theoretical stuff, talking about debt-free college and minimum wage and equal pay, and he came out and said very simply, we need to stop allowing american jobs to go erseas, anhe had a very concrete, reasonable plan that he laid out saying, look, we're not going to allow it, we're going to penalize companies that do that. it started off well, he started off well. i think it continued to go well when he talked about law and order, but there were some moments and the cybersecurity was one of them where he could have done more, he should have brought up the e-mails and instead found himself -- neil: she got off lightly on the e-mail thing. he was touching on things, i'll give my tax returns if you release your e-mails and all, and i noticed lester holt was far more prone to seeing him answer in specifics but not her

on the e-mail thing which to some people is just as important. >> i try to look at this as if i had some access to the audience's perception of this, and i think he did something very clever and correct and i think it's his nature more than any plan, approach or strategy. he speaks from the heart, he speaks from the gut, and he talked about taxing products that are made taking advantage of foreign cheap labor. you wouldn't say it's eloquent, but he was right, and i have to believe that the audience -- they are the folks who through the midwest that see the roosevelt still there. they see all that we have lost as a nation, and they know that hillary clinton's statement that things are glorious and positive for the african-american community are on their face preposterous. yes.

we have more people doing better than perhaps 50 years ago, but we have the same numbers of young blacks in this country unemployed. it's been under this administration that they have done worse, not before. so there is a -- there are groups of people all around this country who make up the folks, the people, and we're not doing better. we are doing terrible, and we have an elite establishment that sort of says well tat-tat. we'll proceed. neil: he wouldn't have seized on one reality here. you talk about for example here, talking about shootings of black youth. why not frame it, you're focused on these shootings and ignoring. >> 3,000. neil: 3,000, 4,000, black on black crimes. >> most of them. most of them. neil: close and then dropped

it, close and dropped it, ceding ground to her that was not hers to be ceded. >> i think when they talked about blacks, hispanics and the middle class, i thought he conveyed immense passion and there was authenticity in every word he uttered. and, you know, that's got to be stunning some republicans who are not used to talking about it. neil: there you raise a good point and something to pick up on, trish, residents who live with saying or what will see her as articulating it better? >> with him, what you see is what you get. he's wearing his heart on his sleeve. it was somewhat emotional response, she tried to push him on race, it could have all broken down. instead he came forward with a very honest, very straightforward, very heart felt response. neil: and the question is whether it resonates.

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>> our country is tremendous problems. we are a serious debtor nation and we have a country that needs new roads new tunnels new bridges near airports new schools new hospitals and we don't have the money because it's been squandered on so many of her ideas. no so how do you view it? depending on where you surf on the internet different people have different rates on this. donald trump started out strong and then peter daut that she

came on stronger as the night ensued. does anyone see through the prism of their own alliances see you robert welch joins us now. who scored tonight, who scored the blows that hit? >> i thought it was clearly secretary clinton one tonight and i know they will say it's all biased but i just think preparation matters and tonight donald was so prepared. if this was the super bowl of debates are prepared i thought there were many opportunities to have a hardcharging debate and i thought some of the points that are normally strongly failed on. he failed on jobs. i thought after he talked about trade he would have gone with jobs and i think he would have done that. >> he didn't talk about how he would create jobs. he just didn't get there in they asked him multiple times and i thought he would have gone into you now some sort of this policy and i think he stumbled on that.

no talking about the tax cuts and the fact of the debt and that is not going to. >> but it doesn't create jobs. i'm not talking about fiscal discipline or monetary policy. no what about what he said on the federal reserve and its created this bubble? >> one as you know i wasn't further third quantitative easing but to think that the fed is doing things for politics is ridiculous. no more to the point that is because of the slow adjust rates and that's what prompted it. >> i don't think it's prompted improvement. we went removing our work recap and then they took some slack out of the system. no i will agree with you he could shorten the judge by saying the federal reserve and narrow zero interest rates will but he didn't articulate that. i know your candidate is hillary clinton. do you think lester holt gave her a pass by not more aggressively following up with

her for example on the e-mail thing? >> i thought he followed up but certainly not as tough as it was with respect to trump on birtherism or on the iraq war but the truth is you know i'm not here to call someone a liar or not but those were just not factual. neil: whatever your aggression is on that now. >> i'm not trying to be aggressive. no do you think that there was as much zeal to the aggressive sans her and to be aggressive on the investigation around here and the e-mails and to say that this is just an accident that she regrets? do you think that was not really adequately addressed? >> i don't think the mouse on the tax returns are on the same platform. everyone does tax returns and e-mails as anything. most people don't care about it. a lot of people do care about the taxes. no security in that kind of stuff. >> on a scale of one to 10 tax returns is not in my top 10. i do think on foreign policy he was weak.

he was weak on foreign policy talking about nato and talking about nuclear proliferation. this was a strong debate. neil: you are also a very good moneyman and you'd didn't get to where you were wasting money and what donald trump says is lost in the -- to say we have these obligations that countries are willing to share with us and there are disagreements that we have to -- even if many aren't footing the bill isn't he saying it's not right? >> i don't think anyone is saying back, diet imf or nato or the u.n. is perfect but when you have alliances that cannot be broken so i think when you can take it and make these off-the-cuff statements i think it actually puts foreign-policy into a frenzy. no if for example the same old way keeps creating the crises that we have and that may be

clumsily put. we can't keep going in with our debt and building deficits this cannot continue. >> you have to have a rationale about defense and military spending in the onus of the world cannot be on the u.s. i'm not disagreeing with that but you don't actually you know through an arrow about nuclear proliferation as if that's equal to death. no let me ask you this. do you think this would have been a drop in support in the polls for him? >> i think that his group of 40 plus million and strong and i think her group of 40 plus million strong i will tell you tonight she won the independent vote. there's no question on national security, economic security. tonight she won. listen as he spoke this morning it was a tough week for her but tonight she was prepared and i actually think donald trump was ill-prepared for this type of debate.

neil: you know what i liken this to an out of know where you stand on this but sometimes i don't know a single debate moves the needle. think it's about getting your own supporters just an excited. >> i excited. >> i will give an example. talk to my sons and they are down in north carolina and they are not politically active tray tonight they all said hillary won and they are now voting. believe me this school is not liberal. i'm just saying that. no by the way donald trump is now on the spin room and this is unusual but it's not unusual for donald trump. he has oftentimes gone in the two debates that "fox business" did for example both times he came into the spin room. >> he wore a blue tie and she were red dress. >> you think maybe because he does this a lot worry not to

come he would have looked bad? >> was and i've been here with you for the last two with romney obama and mccain obama. i've never seen a candidate come into the spin room. i'm not surprised donald trump is doing that. listen he's the guy who likes to tell the story this way and he tells the story best for himself. no well put my friend and agree or disagree with mr. wolf people have different views and what they think is good for the country. what you are looking at is donald trump not that many feet for me right now but again depending on what you believe surfing around the internet certainly the topic of conversation is this debate. there were far more frequent mentions of donald trump and there were hillary clinton but again that's just owing to the attention that donald trump gets anyway. there were many times in this

debate where people made note of the fact that he was not answering the question. others seems to surmise that was by design. he was going to bring things back to the issues that matter to him and not whatever points that lester holt was going to bring up. we do want to point out that the five times a week were fact-checking and had clarification going on they were all donald trump. not once was it hillary clinton. the trump presidential -- with me right now. he was fact checked more than hillary clinton. >> you shouldn't have been. she said things that were nastier about stop-and-frisk and said things that were nasty .cpp and thinks about about his supported the war in iraq so there were number of issues on which she should also be fact checked and i'm sure that will happen over the next few days. no what was he doing a lot of

times not answering the question but bringing it back america isn't what it was in the trade deal disasters? it was quite clear that a lot of times he would answer the question. >> what is he is trying to do is convince america that he is the future. he is for change. he is the way we can get out of the mess we are in and what she keeps repeating going over and over policies that have been in place for the last seven and half years that have not worked and that a failed he comes back to i'm the agent of change and i will make things different. no you know him far better come he started out strong and on issues that he was comfortable with like the economy talking about the markets and the fed, talking about jobs. that was a strong area for him. he feared on some of these other issues and i wonder if that hurt his momentum. >> i don't think so. you may recall during the republican presidential debates

on these focus groups and almost all of them showed the trump didn't win those debates and in the polls would go way up for donald trump. no you mention an interesting point in the second mondale debate where ronald reagan famously said he wouldn't hold this opponent's youth against and a lot of people thought he lost that debate prior to that comment getting the attention to it because he was still having trouble answering questions but we all know in retrospect that was a page-turner and change the tempo. what about this one? >> that similar because i think reagan and trump reached the same voters. people in america, the grassroots people, the salt of the earth -- earth people they know how to reach those people in touch with their feeling and thinking. no those are trump supporter's a lot of them. did he keep rallying that base or did he effectively reach out to those even though they are

still undecided? >> really that's what they need to do is preserve the base and reach these french voters that are not decided yet. it's very close but there's a group that the decided and he is never going to reach the hillary clinton voters. no how about women? >> i hope he reaches women. people that know him will tell you this, he is not a sexist person. he's a person that is of a certain generation he may have said things that people would consider that. no kennedy is with donald trump right now. let's listen in. it knott no i apologize for that. i thought we had the audio and we do not that kennedy is talking. this is donald trump live, actually not many feet from us

right now going into this room to sort of make it sound. >> on what happened here. we hope to have the full audio of this when that's repackaged with us but you really can't donald trump and his wife melania and the children are there as well. he is going into the belly of the beast, the media and everyone else who is gathered here, better than 2000 representatives of the press to state his case against some of the quick contenders. he started out strong and then when it came to foreign policy issues, issues about women and what he is said about them he had a tougher time. john spicer rnc communications director in no he started out very strong and then had some stumbling moments. >> i think he presented a huge contrast to hillary clinton. when you look at the dials ever gone on independents word with him throughout the entire debate

and i think part of this -- no whose dials? >> what is important and i does he didn't speak in prepared washington tone. people who are looking for an element of change who are ready to get rid of the washington talking points and we were with him tonight. he presented to get case on the economy. he's focused on jobs and which is something that resonated with a lot of individuals. no on the whole birtherism thing did he stumble on that one? >> he made it very clear in 2008 supporters of hillary clinton started all of this. his job was to go out there and get the birth certificate and clean it up but he did talk about the fact that he wanted to focus on jobs in the economy. it would have been good to pay the quicker. that issue has been settled and let's start talking about jobs and economy. he has made it very clear that issue deserved an answer. no the big democratic backer of hillary clinton said he didn't

always seem to do his homework and there were times when he could have said hillary linton didn't do a lot of her homework when it came to e-mails. she didn't really have to because there wasn't much follow-up on that. >> it was amazing. no five times it was fact-checking against donald trump and not once against hillary clinton. >> everyone at donald trump's previous issues like birt and previous court rulings came up. the only issue with hillary clinton was would you like to add anything? for all the whining that the clinton campaign had about how the debate was going to go they had an unbelievably unfair treatment. there was zero follow-up. no the fact-checking with donald trump which is fine if that's what you want to do but do at least as much with hillary clinton. >> there was no comparison, no follow-up on her. no the fact that he didn't say

look my tax returns were raised with hillary went in. my taxes aren't going to compromise your national security. >> it's tough to get up here and monday my earning quarterback -- monday morning quarterback. neil: if you had advised him how would you tell him to go now that he is a better sense? >> as we go forward and continue to look at moments that we could have maybe pivoted to something like that or brought up another issue for hit that hard or we will review those tapes but he did what he had to do tonight. he got across the vision of change that needed to get across and again the key element of the electorate that needs to see the difference and the contrast that exists between the two candidates he 100% did what he had to do. no you are the expert but people tend to look at this as trying

to get the undecided voters. i see it as trying to rally. hillary clinton has to get quasi-supporters, just enough to go to the polls. did she succeed at that part? >> that's going to be interesting because that's a great point you are making. they're these coalitions and niches of the electorate that she says together. you see she's having trouble with millennials and minority voters. they are down 50,000 absentee ballots are more they weren't 2012 in iowa. i don't think if you're a hillary clinton person on the fence you got excited tonight and you are right that's going to be a problem. that enthusiasm gap is going to be an issue for them. no we saw donald trump in the spin room and we see hillary and bill clinton leaving. they did not go into the spin room and we are told by the people e-mailing that they are very satisfied with her

performance tonight and she stayed calm and cool. he looked agitated and that's coming from their people so obviously hillary not inclined to want to speak and talk to us or to go in the spin room into the belly of the beast. it's actually more the case than not to do just what she is doing. donald trump is unique in that role that he will go back in and talk to the reporters who were following closely in the debate. we have more coming up. people are. >> this all sorts of ways. one of my favorites came from a kids group that said it wasn't nearly as nasty as i'd hoped. you've got to love this country. more after this. you're not a cook, if you don't cook. you're not a firefighter, if you don't fight fires. or a coach, if you don't coach.

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neil: all right just a little while ago with donald trump leaving the spin room but he is en route from the facility here getting ready to get on the campaign trail. you see them with his wife melania and the children. depending on who you follow, hillary clinton won by either a little or a lot. some conservative web sites are saying that about donald trump but again this snapshot reads are almost never correct but they can hold. no knockout blows but for donald trump of course who wanted to share the stage with the secretary of state, maybe that's

enough and did not disrupt his momentum greater number of clinton folks who say it may disrupt his momentum and she will come out swinging. the democratic congressman and more to the point city of new york. >> it's good to be here. no how did she do? >> i thought she was great. everyone can find what they look for in both parties that what i wanted to see going into the debate is a hillary clinton that i know and love the one that was strong and effective and smart and hard-working i think all of those traits came across in which he said and did. you can see that she is somebody who is seasoned, who knows her issues and i thought she did very well. i think she made no stumbles and i pachiki the number of homeruns and i'm pleased with the job she did. no do you think either of them got in a new voters or was this about keeping their base intact and making sure their people

come out to vote? >> i think it's both. both of them stressed certain things that would make their voters come out but i think with hillary a lot of people who don't like donald trump are wondering whether hillary is an alternative and if they watched this debate tonight they will see not only is she an alternative but she's a great alternative. she is as smart as whips knows her stuff. no you can flip it around the other way too and i want to get your thoughts on this. sometimes we in the media are so focused on debating the points does donald trump for example gain anything by talking outside of those points by speaking from the heart albeit clumsily and hillary clinton is not? in other wordss reasoned approach to some of these things and that cuts both ways. >> sure can cut both ways. some of the people that like donald trump are not

conventional but you know i found that his interrupting her and is talking over her and she restrained herself. when he spoke she let him finish neil: not all the time. but you raise a good note. he raised a good point in the issue do we handle a women differently because if she is interrupted that's not okay and if she does it it's okay? >> there are some people that believe that an honorably bad. i just think i matter who it is that you're in a debate with someone you should be courteous and let them finish what they are saying. neil: and less the person finds the point egregious. >> i'm sure hillary found a lot of his points to be egregious but she didn't interrupt him. she didn't talk over him. she waited until his return.

neil: not all the time. to your constituents with whom she's very popular anyway what about the polls that have narrowed considerably, what about those areas? >> again i think there are a lot of republicans some of whom i know and are my friends who don't want to vote for donald trump because they feel that he doesn't represent what the republican party has represented all these years and decades and they are looking for hillary as an alternative. they are not quite sure and i think that today she gave those people a great opportunity to look at her and say i am going to vote for her because she is smart, she is steady and she is reasoned and she knows what she is talking about and i think that's good. let me say real quick it's good to see you back. neil: thank you very much.

i want to go to kennedy who is with a colorful trump hacker right now. kennedy: bath all of the pageantry and the hype in the lead-up to this debate not unlike some of the most famous heavyweight bout that we have seen in boxing. i'm here with a loud trump supporter don king world famous boxing promoter. if this were like any heavyweight bout what would you compare to? >> i would compare it to the champion from here and the champ in january of this year and the hype was all built up. he went to the gym and the sauna baths and they got dehydrated and he couldn't fight. but he did last 15 rounds. kennedy: so who outlasted to in this debate? >> i think that trump eventually took it but it was a struggle. the biggest thing he has going

for him is we would create a whole new system. we would kick the system apart and then when he said you know when it comes to the minority votes in every four-year they promise, promise and lyme, lyme and then i come back and apologize and apologize but we don't stop. we go right back. kennedy: very quickly was this a tko? >> i think it's going to be a decision. going to be decision just like the trade deals and the most important taking jobs from america. kennedy: donald trump there are a lot of those points tonight. don king thank you very much. >> america's greatest nation the world. we are going to make it work to trump will be the next president. neil: thank you very much don king and kennedy. i would be remiss if i didn't mention i think my name came up concerning an interview i had

with donald trump some 13 years ago. we will go -- replay part of that debate to put it back in perspective. what do donald trump rally say about the war in iraq? let's just say it was not the way it was on the stage or the unequivocal fact that he lied that the kind of charge that lester holt would make, after this. approve this message. i'd look her right in that fat ugly face of hers. she's a slob. she ate like a pig. a person who's flat chested is very hard to be a 10. does she have a good body? no. does she have a fat [expletive]? absolutely. do you treat womenith respect? i can't say that either.

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>> i was against the war in iraq >> the record shows otherwise. >> the record shows that i'm right. when i did an interview with howard stern the first time anyone has asked me that very. lately i said i don't know, maybe who knows? essentially pitted then did an interview with neil cavuto when we talk about the economy is more important. neil: since my name to come up and has a number of times did he or did he not want to go in -- to war in iraq? i think it's unfair for those in the mainstream media to say that he never had any reservations before we went into that war and in fact he did. and in january 2003 interview with me. there were many interviews during that time with me and others but this one, before we

got into the war that might tell you where donald trump was on this issue. january 28, 2003 with donald trump a listen. if you were devising the president how much time you commit to iraq or commit to the economy what would you say? >> i'm starting to think that people are much more focused on the economy. they are getting a little bit tired of hearing we are going in, we are not going into that whatever happens in the days of douglas macarthur. he would go and attack. it's sort of like either do it or don't do it. neil: you are saying that the leash is getting kind of short in the present has to do something presumably sumer rather than later and stringing us along get hurt is? >> es to do something or not do something perhaps because perhaps he should be doing it and perhaps we shouldn't be waiting for the united nations. he is under a lot of pressure.

i think he is doing a very good job but of course if you look at the polls a lot of people -- the iraqi situation is a problem and i think the economy is a bigger problem. neil: all right and i think via kona me is a much bigger problem. you can there but for anyone to say he was never consider had reservations about it, and i had several interviews during this period in the year before and the year after, again it's not so black and white on the issue. there you could say he had reservations. former mayor rudy giuliani on that. it was like that in that they never happen. >> sean. neil: i am neal. you like sean better, don't you? that's okay. i'm kidding.

>> i was just talking with sean. he had numerous arguments with sean hannity. i had arguments with him because i was in favor of the war and this goes back to her three months before and two or three months after. in fact he wrote an article i month after the war clearly against it and one reporter concluded you know it doesn't matter if you were for or against that one month before or one month after. lester holt interrupted him and fact-checking ignorantly. neil: while there were four times that lester holt the data not once with hillary. clinton said while trump has far more distortions yet on the e-mail controversy and everything else you got a complete pass. >> she got a complete pass on the woman comment. when she made a bigger refund women when was -- why was it she

asked her techie monica lewinsky and monica lewinsky wanted to send her to an insane -- an insane asylum. why didn't he say mrs. clinton how you cute can you say that? neil: you think he was under pressure? >> heat did with candy crowley five times and won the got me was stop-and-frisk. neil: the argument was that was ruled unconstitutional. explain what happened. >> it was not. it was ruled unconstitutional as applied not unconstitutional. stop-and-frisk is per perfectly constitutional and all the united states today. lester holt gave absolutely the wrong impression and he had no right to do that. neil: what was it? what happened? >> what happened was after 20 years of stop-and-frisk a federal judge, not my program

but mayor bloomberg's program 12 years later found it unconstitutional as applied because they were too many people and too few successes. the court of appeals for the second circuit michael bloomberg appeals and joined it enjoined enforcement of the case, removed the judge from the case and said that the judge was present as -- prejudiced against the police. when mayor de blasio took over he went through the appeals, which does not leave stop-and-frisk unconstitutional. neil: you cannot stop-and-frisk now. >> yes come he can. it's going on right now all over america. neil: is a going on in new york city? >> you are darn right it is and it was going on under bratton. neil: they don't call it that. >> here's what it is based on. this is very serious.

a supreme court decision that anybody went to law school and passed the bar written by chief justice earl warren 8-1 decision the police have a right to stop you on reasonable suspicion if he believes that you may be in the midst of committing a crime or you have committed a crime or you are about to commit a crime to right now 50 stop-and-frisk are going on and there are constitutional. lester holt's statement was completely ignorant and completely uncalled for and they shouldn't get involved in a legal issue he doesn't know a darn thing about. neil: how do you think trump handled the birtherism issue? >> this description about the judge was totally accurate. neil: by the way an opportunity that was tonight. >> how about candy crowley five times?

neil: birtherism is an issue the trump knew was coming. how did he not prepare better for that? >> i thought he gave the right answer. the answer is that he was the one that got him put out his purse or two to get. he was satisfied with it. he is satisfied with it. why couldn't he just say something like well the bottom line it's done comment of story. >> you did. neil: but he kept going on. if you advised him in this next debate will she tell him? >> he flipped immediately to what this election is really about is jobs. neil: he did that a lot which i think can be a very compelling strategy if they catch people at home who say he talked about the

issues he wanted to talk about or do you think it spun the other way?

neu i want to apologize for those watching earlier. we lost their feed that is "fox business" and fox business losses feed to this ram. that was not delivered to cut off mayor giuliani in the middle but we have since replied their cables and we think are things are going to be to science i apologize for that. i do want to give you a quick. of what we are hearing on the internet. "politico" is saying this was a good night for hillary clinton and hillary chun -- hillary clinton's debate. they're watching the post, but

"detroit free press", google news giving an edge to hillary clinton in this debate. many surmising a cited earlier on the donald trump started out strong and hillary clinton finish strong. that is in the eyes of the media and sometimes the media is the first to say that even with ronald reagan the famous line against walter mondale that he would not hold his opponents views against him. many people at the time and the media thought ronald reagan still lost that second debate with walter mondale may know in retrospect that was not the case at all. overwhelming of the american people so get away so how can i gauge the american people? i can't. i'm just passing along what's in the main press. senator jeff sessions one of the first to back donald trump joins me on has taken all of this. what do you think senator? >> it was a great debate in the first time i have ever been to one. i don't really like these things too much but i was sitting right there watching.

what the american people i think are looking for is not smoothness as they practiced politician of 40 years and to answer any question about any issue. hillary clinton has been thinking about this for years so she has an answer for everything she has done and. neil: that's very interesting that there is such a thing as being too smart. >> what i'm saying is she has a fable mainstream press they can say she was smooth and maybe she was better than donald trump but what was really important to me was, was she a change agent? did she understand the american people aren't happy with where things are going in washington or did she continually excuse the establishment? let's take the nato situation. we have been asking nato to pay their fair share for 30 years. they have not done it.

only four of the 28 nations paid even 2% of their gdp towards the fence. we spend 3.6%. they say they are worried about russia and they want us to do more. neil: that struck me as so ironic when it was four years ago when mitt romney famously got up -- broderick russia as the greatest threat yet tonight it was hillary clinton who is saying russia is a serious threat and donald trump doesn't appreciate that with his coziness with vladimir putin. what irony. >> that is irony actually below, donald trump people may not understand but donald trump rally believes we have gotten into too many wars and we are spending too much money squabbling -- neil: a deposition mean that he was reversing a decades long policy we have that if anyone nato member attacks we are going to respond?

was he saying yeah we might if they pay up? >> look, he is putting the heat on them. this is a businessman. you were not paying your fair share, why do we keep putting -- neil: that if he is president senator it might make good business sense and you more or less say i don't know we just might not? >> you want me to give you an answer? >> guest: have got to pay out. neil: that if they are attacked? would senator sessions say they are in arrears so they are on their own? >> this is what he said in a formal speech about foreign policy. he said when i'm elected president we are going to meet with nato and we are going to discuss the new threats and he indicated tonight in response to some of the criticism they are talking more about terrorism and he also said we are going to discuss how we are going to pay our fair share. he would send him a little

message and in his early days why should we go to war and defend you if you want even pay your 2 cents? neil: i think when it was money issues that is his bread-and-butter and that's what he knows very well and he talked about our debt and it limits our ability to deal with some of these issues when we don't have the money to deal with them. >> writes so we should do something about it, right? neil: let me ask you this define the fact that lester holt was much more apt to interrupt the question our fact check finney was hillary clinton that in future debates he's got to be prepared for a lot more of that and that moderators are going to do that? >> i think moderators ought to review this and be more fair. neil: may be lester holt was well in his rights to question that. >> i will have to do a replay on it and see. i'm not criticizing lester holt

tonight. neil: do you think donald trump did enough homework for this and that he wasn't ready? >> i think he was ready to expose hillary clinton as being a business as usual candidate. she really had no new ideas on how to move this economy. she wants more taxes, more regulation. neil: but was she simply more prepared tonight? >> you are talking about the details. that's what i'm arguing with you about. she knows the details more, she has been in government all her life. neil: do you think you should do the same for the next debate? >> if he these to make his own decision about that but i will tell you one thing would happen the last 10 days what she is been preparing and doing nothing his polling numbers have been going up. neil: but maybe she might benefit from good reviews and

reverse that. what do you think? >> may be. i mean who knows? i would just say to you that while he has been out there some days at five different events a warrior taking his case with detailed speeches,. neil:ut do you think this moves the need either way? >> i don't think so. i would say that i think on an overlooked issue here is that hillary clinton just became part of the establishment defending most of the status quo provisions and the american people by a 3-1 margins believe this country is on the wrong track and they want a leader who will do something. neil: you don't think i will upset the momentum he has had? >> i don't think so. i think it enhances it. neil: senator thank much. i should remind you of some other things that rudy giuliani was telling me before an

announced it was the cameras went down in the feed went out but for example a lot of the issues that were being raised tonight for example on stop-and-frisk you might have heard the beginning of that. a judge had has not ruled it unconstitutional as much as the ball was dropped and the president never continued it. stop-and-frisk is alive and well but not in numbers. that's the rest of what rudy giuliani was saying and he did not appreciate the way lester holt the moderator presented. kennedy is out talking to the crowds with her on me. >> a couple of times about the conventional wisdom that seems to be forming that donald trump startups giant hillary clinton finish strong this evening. when donald trump got going early on he was very aggressive on economic policy but in particular we are talking about trade and what has been known as tpp the transpacific partnership and that brings us to one of our first fact checks of evening what did hillary clinton say about tpp, what did she mean by

what she was saying? first, watch this. >> you call that the gold standard preview called at the gold standard of trade deals and he said it's the finest deal you have ever seen and then you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you are against it. >> all right, she says no i never called that the gold standard and in fact she did say that on the trip overseas back in 2012 to australia. hillary clinton did refer to a deal that at that point was just taking shape as the gold standard. she didn't say she expressed tonight that she simply hoped it would turn out well so that was one for trump side. now on the other side of things very interesting response from the trump team. as the debate was going on to a discussion that came up fairly early on in the debate had to do with climate change and the topic of climate change obviously is important but the way the trump team responded is very interesting given the times

in which we live. watch this discussion. >> donald thinks that i'm a change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. i think it's real. >> i do not say that. >> the more that we grip this and deal with it. >> did you hear that, i did not say that over and over but in fact he did say that or at least tweeted in 2012 the concept of global warming was created by and for the chinese in order to make u.s. non--- manufacture noncompetitive. the tweet was not found. why is it not found? it was deleted. when was the delete it? during the comments. back on donald trump's timeline from 2012 that tweet was there. at some point during the debate it disappeared. donald trump is the capacity was kidding about that comment and so take that for what it's worth but the point is in these times when twitter and all these other

social media platforms are so important toampaign staffers are going back and deleting comments that were made years ago as the debate was going on. we saw that happen tonight. neil: thank you very much. with me right now is general michael flynn is strong and early backer of donald trump. general very good to see you. what is your sense of tonight? >> i think donald trump crush this debate. when you listen to what hillary clinton was saying and what she was talking about and it was the same old stuff. it's the talking point platform that she is bringing forward and it represents no change for this country and would donald trump race was a whole range of issues and the number one issue that i kind of jumped on i believe is the idea of economic prosperity for this country. i mean we are at risk and you know this better than anybody. our economy is at risk.

we are in 20 trillion-dollar debt and one of the things that was great in the race was the idea of uplifting those who need the inner city the creation of jobs and you have a major campaign or a republican candidate raising the idea of pacing up the african-american community, the hispanic american community in our inner cities bringing jobs back in renegotiating a lot of these trade deals that they have. i have said this many times that i've been asked what the greatest threat we have to our country? it's our economy. our military needs to be fixed in our military needs to be ready, more readiness and more modernization but our economies at risk. neil: let me ask you general when it comes to defending all the members of nato he seemed to be saying that if they are in arrears or not footing the bill that may be a president trump wouldn't do that.

>> one of the things he talked about annie is mentioned this before, nato has to come to grips with a new set of threats that we face. he raised this a long time ago and as he said tonight because he raised it nato has now created a counterterrorism office or division within the nato headquarters to deal with threats that are outside. here's what nato need to understand. those members of nato, they have to pay with a has said that they would pay. we are paying 50 to 75% of the bill for nato for 28 nations. there only four countries that pay their bill. neil: that's got to stop. >> it's got to stop. campy part of a partnership unless you are paying your fair share. you sign a contract. neil: general thank you very much.

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agitator, hillary clinton gave him a seat to this big event. it ended up being a front row seat. >> it did. do you want to hear whole story. >> i do. >> i wanted to bring my 12-year-old daughter, so i was able to get two tickets from the campaign. so i tweeted i was going to be there, but i decided to add, front row tickets. thinking it might upset donald. he took the bait. neil: but you did have front row. >> i didn't. neil: oh, at the time. >> it turned crazy. neil: the idea to cychim out. >> no, i was not trying to make eye contact with him.

neil: did you? >> no, i was more interested in guliani and his family reaction. neil: who was next to you? >> a great woman named maxine. a woman who inspired secretary clinton. and donna brazile, and the clinton family. neil: are you a democrat? >> no, i am an independent. neil: in the beginning you said favorable things. >> i was very supportive. but after the republican nomination, it got to point, now i said you have to start learning these things and understand policies, and different issues that comes with the job. you know when that was not of interest to him, is when i did my homework on secretary clinton. neil: how do you know? >> just talking to him, asking him questions, before one of the

-- an events, what to you think about this? it wasn't of interest to him. neil: you know it is interesting. hillary clinton was very much emersed in the issues. but republicans said, she got a pass because lester holt interrupted trump more than her. >> maybe, she showed a very good understanding of the issues. she direct leannly, answered his questions. neil. do you could he was the more comfortable with business and economic questions.

he was comfortable in, that less so when it veered outside. >> i don't think it was so much that, he is a self prescribed counter puncher, when they land your confident grows, when ty don't land you kind of get flustered. neil: was she almost too exacting. >> no, think about what you said. talking about two candidates for the president, they were asked a specific question. how can be too e exacting. neil: people listened to kennedy, nixon debate. i am not comparing but i'm saying do you think that his pitch to reach out to frustrated people, resonated in a way this audience or traditional media, might not. >> a fair point. if you were already pretty much

a donald trump fan, i am sure you thought he did okay. and already a hillary clinton fan, i am sure -- did it move anyone on the fence? >> i think it did. she was presidential, calm, cool, collected. she dealt with the issues. she baited him and he took it multiple times, she set him up with a question about not paying your vendors, we have architect here, then she came. >> but he did answer. >> no. absolutely positively not. have i had disagreementses yes, do i make sure they get paid on their resolve, yes, have i said you know what -- no, never. never, never ever ever. one time. that is just not me, but where it came full circle they got into issue of balance of power, and talking about our allies,

and supporting our treaties, they talked about japan and north korea. and china. he dealt with that issue of wanting our allies to pay, the same way he dealt with, if they don't do a good job as a contractor i'm not paying him. that isne thing if you are talking about a contractor and a hotel. neil: you are good with money mark, a lot don't honor. >> that is what he said. neil. let me ask, did he raise a good point or fail to articulate. >> it was not righ right -- poio make, there is nothing more expensive to a country than war, nothing starts a war faster than whether u.s. does not stand as most powerful nation in the world, and everyone understands that. neil: what if only a few

countries are paying? >> again, what is more expensive, if german does not pay, and turkey does not pay, and japan does not pay, look at that total, and compare to, well if china or rus russians we're , and we're not going to support japan. >> addressing a bigger why must we be in that role. >> we're the greatest country in the world, and i have a choice between -- >> maybe some things have to change, we're all use footing the bill. >> neil. >> i just wonder. >> i understand that point. we have a lot of debt, we spend a lot of money, you would like to get a return in our investments, but the greatest threat to our children, is not an extra billion da billion doln debt, but compare to threat of war, and global instability, and

i'm a firm believer we're the strong of nation in the world. we have to maintain that position, even if we have to figure out our economy a little bit more. do different things to pay for the bills, they might shortchange us, i'll make that trader time. neil: who won? >> i think hillary, it was tie after first quarter, second quarter, donald trump may have taken lead, went to halftime, hillary a little bit up, but third and fourth quarter, hillary ran away with it. >> a second debate coming up. if you advised her candidate -- either condition what would you tell them. >> to donald, maintain your composure, on own -- it was so easy to set him up. if you contradicted him, whether what he said about war in iraq, issues.s h, his taxes, he will

he has to own it and move forward. neil. how does he own it. >> the birther issue, just admitting he was wrong. way too much energy, i was wrong. if he would just say i'm wrong, the perception of him would change, you might say, okay maybe he is presidential, but he can't do that, because he can't do that, it is easy to you know, just throw softball after solve thsoftball back to secretary clinton. you know he will not ever own his mistakes. if you talk about business, you have to own and learn from your mistakes. i think there is ongoing evidence that donald trump is not. neil: all right, a lot of sense here that polls were tightening. and a lot of battle ground states that tightening,

reversing in donald trump's favor, did donate change that. >> we'll find out, like i said if you are truly's donald trump fan, you are probably still a fan, but if you were on the fence, i think you might be leaning to secretary clinton, i think probably debate, had greatest impact was pulling away from secondary candidate, you - >> supporters of hillary clinton, are they passionate enough that tonight she won their passion back. >> it is like anything else, donald taps into a lot of hate for a lot that is going on, he is not hateful, but people don't feel good about where they are, if you are in that situation, you will be more passionate about change, where if your life is not as bad, and you are not struggling or whatever.

you don't feel that -- i just think that hillary clinton supporters right now, i don't expect as much passion as you would see for donald, i think that would change. neil: a lot of supporters, are shocked they are in the battle they are with him, i don't know if the debate changes it, but they cannot fathom that old hillary clinton speech before union leaders, i can't believe i'm not 50 points up. do you share that? it does not make sense. >> yes, and no. i think it is near -- have been broke, i have been 6 guys in a 3 bedroom apartment into my 20s, in those circumstances, i would have been angry, and looked for change. and so i can see where a lot of his supporters are coming from, if you don't understand that

perspective, you would think you might be more points ahead, by as things go on, donald today did not release any new material. i think that is going to hurt him. she showed a real command of the issues, she lester holt asked questions, she answered them, he came up with counter punches, he responded and set him up. neil: i don't think she answered all of questions. >> how could you equivkate the tax returns and e-mails, he would -- donald trump not lester, on what about those e-mail. >> that is not her job to sudder his questions. >> but fact that moderate did not bother. >> you have to own your mistakes, he has never done that, he did not show that lift of today, she did. >> it is different to say, i goofed or made a mistake, when,

a mistake like that would be far more pronounced than not releasing your taxes. >> that is so not true. >> i will be clear on e-mails, she dealt with classified documents 100% in print out and paper in hard copy, 100 percent of her classified she dealt with in hard copy, the documents deemed to be classified were up classified afte after the faght. fact. >> you share the view of many it is much a do about nothing? >> i do, i have installed, i don't know 300 plus networks, and probably -- >> you never were secretary the state. >> but i did get to read all of the fbi reports that delineated in he dal -- detail how it happ. it said specifically she asked for everything in hard copy. >> do you compare that with someone not releasing a tax

return? >> i mean, you can say that any anything -- >> no, just this. >> but, yes, because. >> really. >> yes, because, i know there is no there, there, if i am go to find fall with hillary clinton on e-mails, because she has done a horrible job from marketing perspective. >> have you a good read of people, and she did get measured good responses, a traditional public official would give, she is well schooled and well versed and very smart on these issues, maybe america, or maybe -- we're not getting they heard all of those traditional types. >> think about it here is how i look at it, it would not be that much work for him to learn those issues, and combine them with the friends he has. >> you advised him for next debate it would be? >> i would give him bobby knight ad vice, i love above. >> did you bump into each other. >> bobby knight, how to win in

sport of, everyone has the will to win, but only those with the will to prepare that do win, donald trump has not done the preparation. >> bobby knight said he comes from his gut talking to me about donald trump, she comes from a place of political expediencey. >>y would not say, that i would say donald trump c from his gut, but at some point you have to have substance, that is what i wanted when i first supported him, you cannot go with gut forever. >> that is when you left him. >> >> yes. >> a die metric turn. >> we're talking about future of the world here. we're talking about leader of the free world. i mean -- >> you were willing to entertain donald and have you gone t to conventionalism with her. >> that is one way to put it but not. i would say we have two candidates, one who understands our place in the world, one who

believes in american ex son >> one who speaks her mind and other who has to be told what not to say or do to seem presidential. >> all right. >> if she become she wins presidency, and offered you a cabinet position. >> no, i am clear, i have never given a penny to her or any other presidential candidate, note since 1999, i do not want a position in government. nothing, never, i never gave a a penny clinton foundation. i am not interested. jeff: >> you could do improvement. >> i have invested in over 150 businesses, i helped people, helped, kids from 16 years old up on, create jobs, i am good at, that i think world is changing for millennials, they believe in social entrepreneurship, and so not only do they want to create jobs

but they want to do good-bye it and help the world that is good, that changed capitalism a little bit, i think i can be there to ansupport them help them grow. i tell you about a conversation i had with donald trump, i talked on phone before cnbc debate, i said, go talk to small businesses, his words were -- mark cuban and donald trump don't do that. we don't go sit at a dinner table with a bunch of people, we did big events that is difference, i want to help kids drive businesses that is why i do shark tank, i believe the american dream is alive and well. >> ons wrong network. >> that could be true we could work something out. >> okay let's talk about that. >> mark cuban. >> thank you very much. >> very good seeing you. >> always i love, you make it fair, and open. >> we tried to. unlike a lot of people, i'll do it there is, all right.

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>> i know how to really work to get new jobs, and get exports that help to create more new jobs. >> you have not done it in 30 years or 26 years. >> i've been a senator, donald, and secretary of state. >> your husband signed nafta, one of the worst things that ever happened to manufacturing industry. >> this is your opinion. >> nafta is worst traded deal ever signing but ever signed here, you top approve transpacific partnership. you were in favor of it then you heard what i said how bad it is, you said i can't win that debate, you do know if you did win you would to prove, that nothing will top nafta. jeff: they said, sometimes on split screens how they look when the other is talking. >> former senator scott brown.

>> some missed opportunities by donald trump in particular, he has been going up against somebody who has been doing it for 30 plus years, everyone like you, except mark cuban who can yak,iac yak, i love mark. it is even, for first time, this is a win. jeff: di >> did to move the needle no. >> i said this is a 3 game play-off, don't say that game is is over. >> if he lost it was very close, like, saying attacks returns, excuse me, are you talking to me.

the intersection of money in politics with clinton, with you clinton foundation, and you as secretary of state. neil: he missed a number of opportunities oh, mail and clinton. >> he did not talk e-mail or benghazi ei thought he was strong on the economy. i thought his line was perfect, when they talk about jobs, she said i'm going to do this and this he said, you have not done it in 30 years, how are you going to do it now. neil: a good point, but, she did do her homework. >> yes. neil: should he have campaigned less, and practiced more. >> not about the campaigning it is preparation leading up to it, for him, i think he thought he was prepared, i thought he did a

solid job, a bo b or a b minus. i was speaking to my friends, a lot say, people who are former politicians, they are saying wow she really did well. then a lot of my friends just gave up football game to watch this or just getting back into the whole political scene, saying, he was talking to me, i understood what he was talking about, about jobs, and china stealing our jobs, about the economy, about getting better deals. so, it is interesting,. neil: interesting, sometimes we'll score in debating points. points. >> we're signed people, you do this for a living, i have done 21 elections, i have done some biggest debates in last couple of years. the people seat. and so we look at it, say, she

was smooth, and this and that. neil: people are watching have a different point of view. i see what you are saying. i wonder if in a contest where donald trump has been gaining, does this arrest his momentum a little bit. >> i don't think it affects needle at all, people saying we have an opportunity for two more debates, i think that las vegas will be big. neil: all right, great breakfast buffets there. >> you don't get that stuff any more, joe piscopo and i are making sure you don't go near the buffet. neil: a little bit. >> no, fruit and veggies for you. neil: oh, for god's sake, enough out of you, he has too go now, thank you very much. david stockman is coming up, early read on this, david a big thing, is ronald reagan's former budget director, we got debt, he

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neil: welcome back, the place is emptying out, we feel if we stay longer, we're be here for their own breakfast buffett, what the heck. we'll push it. a lot of people asking me, what are they saying about who won, lost, washington post, hillary clinton, google news, hillary clinton.

>> scientology? >> kennedy is here, trish regan is here. frankenstein thing. >> you are right. >> anyway, 6 people said trump, 16 said clinton. that is early. far from scientific. you? >> i asked don king was it a tko or a decision, i could this was a decision bought, it went full 12 rounds they got their licks in she came out with more points, about may have been that one judge who rigged system who give it to trump. neil: really? okay. it could be close decision or a littlsplit decision. >> it will not be littl split bt majority of judges go with clinton. neil: yeah, i don't know, i don't know if that is good enough. i subscribe to that.

>> i think she was eloquent, and well prepared. i think that there were high expectations among base supporters for donald trump. they wanted to see him wipe the floor with her. neil: he started that way. >> he did well in the beginning, but they thought he would cream her, and end of story, they were geared up for that. that did not happen. and so there may be some disappointment among some trump supporters, but i don't necessarily think either one walks away with a huge victory. >> right. neil: traditional argument, if you don't knock out the champ, you don't have the championship, right? if he survived enough, that he could fight another day, does that change these numbers? >> i think right now it -- she has the slightest edge to three-fold this just came out, i

think she maintains, that i don't think she does what she did post convention. neil: interesting. >> not a 7 to 10 point cushion, but i think she did enough, she did not do damage to him necessarily, he could have come out and had a huge night, he had really big missed opportunities, i noted you spoke about that already. but as i watched, they were talking about cyber security, i am tweeting and facebook, i assume high would tie, not only -- >> foundation into that, he had such an opportunity, and i fill like he had unforced errors in that regard, he was the given several gifts he did not take advantage of. neil: there is a thing, follow the gut but tighten the argument. he is good at following his gut but he had trouble tightening that argument. and she was -- on a couple

things, talking about e-mails, she was much better at getting that precise argument. that served her well. >> me answer -- meanders, he goes off on a tangent and gets distracted. neil: audience kind of like that. >> sure, i think that people who support donald trump, are very strong in their conviction, he did not necessarily do anything to sway them otherwise. but, the people that were in the middle, saying who am i going to vote for, i don't think this was a make or break for either. neil: i think you are right, he had his good moments, she had her good moments, it does not dramatically change things. >> yep. neil: right. >> no then you could -- if you were a fan of either, you could pull up moments you feel like

that person. neil: quickly, lester holt. more to fact check donald trump? >> think he came down hard on trump more than clinton. neil: because trump had it coming because he has not been clear on these issues or a partiality. >> t be fair to lester, he had a very hard job in front of him, overall he did a strong job. >> a lot of supporters of trump said it was slanted, he was more inclined to go after trump. than clinton. >> he did not fact check hillary on murder rate, fbi just came out with a new report, saying that murderers are way up, and she is saying crime is down. >> it may be down but donald trump right about murder rate in new york city, and you know he could broaden that to other big cities like chicago, and los angeles, where violent crime and murder are going in the wrong direction. neil: you corner trump, what was

he telling you? >> couple things, i asked him how this debate compares to debate he had with people like rand paul and chris christie, and he acknowledged they were tough debater, he felt he won the night, i asked what are you doing differently in st. louis, next time they have three big boughts, and he said nothing, he fill like high won, and he was -- he felt like he won, high was happy with his performance. neil: that should be the answer. >> a spin, we're in the spin room. >> yeah. neil: is that why they call it the spin room, i thought i had too many drinks and it was spinning. >> thank you very much. all right, one thing that donald trump kept mentioning today, i thought it was stronger part of his argument. we're in a bubble this market we're enjoying in the recovery, we're enjoying, all courtesy of very low interest rates, and the accommodating fed, david

stockton was ronald reagan's budget rec or and argued much of the same, david, on that point, i felt that was a comfort zone for donald trump but he did not get much of an opportunity to pound it. those points are important points to you. >> yes, they are important, and i think he hit them well, he had phrase of the night really, which is been ignore by spinners issue he hit fed hard then he accused them of creating a big fat ugly bubble. that is the reality -- that may well begin to be more a-- eparent even before the election, they know well out in flyover america, between the coast they have not seen recovery and prosperity that happened on wall street. when we talk about what happened tonight, i don't think that issue really is who won or lost.

i think trump had three big jobs to accomplish tonight, he got them all done. most personally, he needed to confound the caricature of him that has been created by the elite media he some kind of a bigoted, rude, wild man who is too dangerous to be president. he knocked that out of the park, i think he showed he is calm, he is confident, he was as courtious as hillary clinton was, and that he came across as being totally able, to be the president. second thing -- >> i would agree with you in first half of the debate there, i'm not picking sides, i think he was a little less sure will -- surely footed in last half. there were other issues i thought he was less comfortable.

>> but you know, i -- neil: i don't know if that distracts from his image. >> but i would say in his defense, that really, lester holt was in the tank for hillary clinton. let's just face it. and when he insisted ongoing back to when were you gain the war in iraq -- against the war in iraq, what moment and day, i think he had to make it clear that it was a huge mistake. that he was against it, and that hillary, representing the status quo policy and all of failed wars that we've had from then through libya, and mess that is in the middle east today, we hit the nail on the head. he said -- neil: you know i think he raised a good point, mainstream media come away, saying he was never against this war. we have interviews, he had serious reservations on it,

saying that george p. bush should -- president bush should be focusing more on the economy. at least. before the war, he was the expressing much more interest in addressing the economy, and not getting involved in something without the united nation and et cetera. but as if those comments were never read or followed, we played one here, people were e-mailing he we doctored the tape, i don't know what to say. >> i think my point was that high had to make clear this election is a referendum on 30 years of staff us kuo -- status quo, failed wars, soaring debt, and a failing economy that failed most of the country other than the boh, -- bi coastal elites, i think he did a great job. neil: so, on a point that resonates that guy is not coming

across at policy, well versed on issues but this bugs me he says something that, if you are such a smarty pants, why do we still have these problems, what is all that smarty pants ne gotteness n you. >> he had to hit the fact that u.s. economy is in bad trouble. is not a fantasy land recovery and success story that obama talks about, that fed wants you to believe, that wall street urges you to embrace, and that hillary started off the evening by saying, isn't it wonderful how much we got done, and we have to do more of the same, that is wrong, that is -- if you want to use a harsh term, a lie, i think trump did come back to the theme time gain, he hitted fed hard he talked about big,

fat, ugly bubble. and the fact that fed has been taken over politically by left wing keynesian you know, central planners, he did talk about -- >> well, david, i think if he were to say something, don't get me started on keynesian planners here, he might have lost a few people. >> the 5 point, that people know that fed is not working for them. if they are savers, if they are wage earners, the inflation is hurting them, he hit point we have 20 trillion of debt, country is damn near bankrupt you consider why we're going, and how big the deficit is now. and will become next time we have a regular. he hit the fact that -- >> all right. >> all things that have been done by what i call washington wall street elite. has not done very much for the

rust built, he name checked ohio, and michigan and areas that have seen prosperity wither and disappear effectively. there is a long way to go here, he got the job done, that he needs to do, needed to do tonight. and you know, i think there is 43 more days, two more debates. and there is a lot of economic reality unfolding that may impact very heavily the outcome of this election. neil: all right. so, you thought hillary clinton won hands down. dave, i'm kidding. david thank you very much. veried did seeing, you david stock tan ton,. >> all this depends on other people's perception, i tried to share with you what some media said. the same media dismiss a guy named abraham lincoln.

and a whole host of other characters, including george bush when he was debating al gore. media had a different perception of those debates. how that plays out. >> i have a feeling, by the end of this evening, i am blame for everything that happend. >> why not. >> why not. >> you know, just, just join, join debate b by saying more cry things, now let me say. >> there nothing crazy about not letting your companies bring their money back into the country.

neil: rejoined by trish regan. ennedy here, we got that interview she nabbed with donald trump. but first david as man, in new york -- your thoughts on this. how this plays out. did it move the needle? >> it may have in hillary's favor i think. stocstockton was right that lesr was in the bag for hillary clinton.

he did not let her talk about benghazi, and clinton foundation. on other hand to donald, he went hard on birther issue and bankruptcy issue, and tax return, i don't think it was a fair debate in terms of way it of set up by lester holt. but remember back -- everyone talks about that great moment, you have shown videotape of reagan and mondale, reagan said i'm not bringing age into this, i won't let inexperience of higy younger opponent get into this, this was second. the first debate, everyone thought mondale had won there was talk about weatherration -- whether reagan was up for the job, from that historic perspective, i don't think that trump did as badly as reagan did in the first debate in 1984. neil: that second debate, that

second one, outside that famous remark, many in media said ronald reagan lost that one too, they thought he was slump see and stamerring, people at home saw that and got a kick out of it, it surprised many it got the traction it did, you never know. what do you think? >> i think, always how does it play inpy -- peoria, people are hurting, they don't have jobs, income has not gone up, the more he says on that message, the more he will be. i think he really broke through. the question is, is it enough to really move the needle in his favor. still early to tell, i think next debate will be really critical for him, he needs to be

as prepared as possible, she clearly is working on preparation, it does matter. neil: we have as promised that tape we had working microphone. but you had a chance to talk to -- he came in the spin room. >> he did. neil: set that up. >> he made his way around the geo metric scrum. we will pend off like veal from him not to touch his lordly robe, and fortunely, he saw the fox business flag on my microphone, and he was taken aback by the power and glory of the network you crafted with your bare hands. neil: he saw kennedy. >> let's be honest here. neil: looking at this now. >> ted cruz or rand paul some of your there are republican counterparts, how was this different. >> i really enjoyed it and you know based on the polls i'm seeing it looks like we did well, i fell we did well.

i really enjoyed the process, and different only if that more intense because you don't gets time out. you have two people. but look, debating ted cruz is tough, and rubio, and chris christie, they were tough too. reporter: what would you do differently in the next debate? >> i think i just want to have same success i had tonight, i was successful, if am i right. reporter: why would you say you won. >> i felt that i won, i felt easily that i won. reporter: that is a swedish gal asking, why did you think you won the debate, not me. >> i thought you developed a swedish accent. >> she was blocking your access. >> right, she tried to elbow me out of the scrum, i was not having it, i said. neil: swedish are generally

friendly. >> i said, he is going to stop for me, he is not stopping for you. neil: swedish, we never had any rows with them until now. >> they declared jihad on us, this is horrible. neil: all right, your thoughts on this, whether it was -- there were more fact checking on donald trump not one, not one for hillary clinton. >> here is your score card. lester holt asked donald trump about his taxes, and counters him on his answer, he asked about stop and frisk then challenged him and the birther issue then challenge him, and he asked about iraq, challenged, interrupted or fact checked 6 time. >> and hillary, not one challenge to anything she said,

not one tough question is anything she said, not one question on a controversy, be it benghazi, clinton foundation, e-mails her medical records. on it goes, bottom line, they did the bidding of their colleague, their colleagues say publicly, go after donald trump, and let up on hillary, that is what lester holt did tonight. neil: you know, i wonder, famous matt lauer called to carp i carr interrupting and calling hillary on thesessues, he was pillared for that even though he was as aggressive with donald trump. i just think, if you go after one, you go after the other. to kennedy's point. not even an attempt. now, set up next debate for us,

are moderators going to be under pressure to do what holt did. >> at the end of the day, why are the republicans choosing these people, it happens almost every day bait. -- debate, they behave like likeliester -- lester holt, and then they are shocked that a left wing journalist, act like a left wing journalist. it happens every time, it is frustrating to watch this. neil: i know he is a registered republican. be that as it may. >> so is colin powell. neil: -- good point. have at it, there is enough there in each record you could just you know, go all at it. it is a one-way road. >> there is, he pitched softballs to hillary clinton all

night long, asking her explaining her policy prescriptions, of her campaign. perfectly fine. just do the same thing, with donald trump. or if you bring up taxes, bring up birther issue then bring up benghazi, bring up clinton foundation, you just can' can'to two different things issue he talked about before that is what he did. neil: david, a moderator in prior debate, was asked about the issues that were important to her. she said, well no one thinks this e-mail thing is any story, benghazi thing has been done to death, she said i would get trump on xyz and, i am thinking to myself, you just illustrated when people have a problem with, with the media. in your eyes they are nonissues. so humor us, make them an issue

in a couple of cases. >> another reporter when ronald reagan was running for president too, he said, i can't imagine him winning because none of the people i know is voting for him, they are surrounded in this bubble. we heard a lot of talk about bubbles, there also a media bubble that i am sure lester holt will be congratulated by all his friends, saying he played it down center of road issue but brett has it right, a fact check, rudy said. brilliantly. when he fact check donald on stop and frisk, he said it was approved as unconstitutional that is not true. rudy guliani was there, he knows it was not proven unconstitutional, just our current mayor decided not to use it with same force.

he could have won court battle, it was not proven unconstitutional, one of fact checks that lester holt used he got dead wrong. neil: well. having said that, a lot of team said that holt was invisible. he di did not interrupt enough. trish, the question now is, lessons for next debate. if you are donald trump, you know this is what you face or you are hillary clinton, what do you do? >> well, i am surprised about some questions like birther question, i think he was surprised. i don't think he anticipated that. neil: he should have. >> lessoned learn, he has to go into next debate, anticipating everything, hillary clinton may have know days pay thed more -- may have anticipated more. on clinton foundation and her

e-mails, she may be saying i am so glad they not come out. and he may have not prepared enough for all different things that could have come at him. neil: does he have to tighten it up. >> he does, you are a conservative, and you are running in an environment that we live in now, majority of media are far more on the left than anything you are espousing you need to be doubling prepared, he needs to know whoever is coming at him next. neil: we've been in that -- i always wonder, if you feel you are being slighted, why could he not say, is it my imagininging r am i getting all of the checking. >> that another level of preparation, having arrows in your quiver, it reminds me of

"frost/nixon," the dramatic movie, first round frost blows it and nixon was more skilled and over prepared, and frost realized, i have so much more work to do, and we'll see if trump has one of those moments where he annallizes just this -- annallizes just this debate, to see wherely did well. neil: do you think he believed what he told you, he thought he did wel >> i don't think he will say, i ran out of gas, if he watches earlier part he had so many lines. and the journalist in here, who are not on his side, they were laughing. and he had this craft -- >> started out that way. >> but, at some point, he has to critically look at them and where he lost them. neil: we judge it one way. people at home another way. how do you think people at home

versus the media play this. >> at end of day, trump supporters will feel he was slighted. he should start working the repping and makes an issue. and he should make a issue about this. neil: what do you think? it looks -- >> it looks like he is already his own particular spin on it, sadie won the debate. he look at drudge report and other things skewed toward him, saying these people said that i won. i don't think he will take that

-- but one thing he did say that hit home be high made a point if you think that everyone is rosie with regard to the economy, to crime, with terrorism, then hillary is your person, if you think there is a problem with the way things are, she is having a tough time, if he drills down on that, she will have a tough is time, saying things are great with the foreign policy and economic pom policy. neil: all right, final word. thank you all, fox business will continue all of this, as they pick apart things 5:00 a.m., and then maria bartiromo will pick it up, and we're all going to desecond this, -- die die secod this, that is what we do. i'm jamie foxx for verizon. in the nation's largest independent study

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job on the planet will be in their place. ♪ announcer: live from hofstra university in new york, this is fox business network's special coverage of the first presidential debate. here is neil cavuto. neil: game on from hofstra university in hempstead, new york. all 1100 seats just about filled there. everyone who is supposed to be here is here. except those that will be going to the podium. the pressure is on to perform tonight and for these candidates the first time a man and a woman shared a stage vying for the presidency of the united states. well it doesn't get more historic than that the numbers you heard well telegraphed this could break a lot of records, at least debate records.