be good or not depending on the fed and rates are the number one call and it works and all weather call. liz: worried about the fed pausing and they've been sending signals. today we had two fed heads and one for sure saying we can stay in place and not cut rates nor quite some time now. >> we're optimist and i can don't need to cut rates and core pce rolling down to 2.5% at end of this month and we'll get visibility on that next week. they're going to be under a lot of pressure to cut if we get to 2.5 by the end of this month. liz: jay, we're all under pressure and waiting to join us live is kudlow. in the meantime, dow and s&p nearing the end of the week near session lows and nasdaq going with monday a president going to say tariffs on countries and they'll be all over the market reaction. david: hello, folks and welcome

to a special edition of kudlow. i'm david asman in for larry kudlow. the weaker than expected jobs report captured a snapshot in the weak economy that trump will have to turn around and talking about that and a lot more with steve forbes and john carney in just a moment. meanwhile more than 60,000 federal employees have accepted a buyout offer from the white house saving the government billions of dol dollars and newt gingrich on that a little later and plus a super star panel of gianno caldwell and alex barlow and more. the last gasp of bidenomics and it was right in keeping with the past four years, a big 33% increase in wasteful government jobs and a minute school 3,000 increase -- minuscule 3,000 increase and retracting the sector and right up to the end and biden's policy going to pump

billions into boondoggles and going to show nothing but contempt for the private sector. for more details and on numbers but edward lawrence going with live with more. edward. reporter: hey, david, all related to the white house and going today and world leader coming to go on with that and coming about investment in manufacturing and as well as u.s. steel and nipon merger and apparently it's a go. >> is this a restructuring of the deal happening and will you do it. >> as an investment purchase, i didn't want it purchased and investment i love. >> we'll do a big investment and going to have the deal getting done. going to do that with proof. >> i'm okay with that. reporter: no agreement if the house for top line number on big, beautiful reconciliation bill and house freedom caucus

seems okay with some unconventional offsets in the package and stance on cutting $2 trillion over spending in ten years and leaving the debt ceiling in place and not what the president wants. jowski thinking there's enough votes for passing legislation? the freedom pack, and i'm not sure who's not going to. reporter: karoline leavitt saying the jobs report revealing the biden economy was worse than what anyone thought and underscores the necessity of president trump's pro growth policy is 143,000 jobs created was a big miss from expectations and the data collected in the first two weeks of january and means this fully reflects the last week's of the biden administration and the report also resets the benchmark data after looking at more comprehensive data from 2024 and found the economy and 589,000 fewer jobs than thought and bad

for the revision and reflects on the last year of the bidden administration. david: all these revisions and most of which are on the negative side. edward, thank you for that report. joining us now is steve forbes, forbes media chairman and editor in chief and john carney bright bard finance editor and coauthor of the breitbart does digest. thanks for being here. steve, this jobs report is so emblematic of bidenomics and past four years the creation that doge trying to get rid of right now and at the same time the shrinking of our manufacturing sector and middle class and president biden claimed to be representative of and really getting screwed. jowski well, the whole thing looking real suspicious and the whole jobs report put together. every single month, they had a

revision and you saw this great disparity between the households survey and the factory survey. it went on and on and on. that raises real questions then the question of seasonal adjustments. in december, seasonally, a lot of new jobs are created for the holidays. in january, they say we create jobs and the real work force, hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost. so they seasonally adjusted for them and whole thing, those numbers are like chinese numbers. take them with a grain of salt. david: the numbers that are coming on and a change in real adjusted income and for donald trump and donald trump's first term and going with a 6,000 to the plus side and the change in biden's was over a thousand to the negative side. americans know what the real economy is and the current economic team of president trump

knows better than nick and the new treasury secretary scott bessent put it in very sharp focus with an interview with larry. roll that tape. >> as i've said, wall street where you and i came from has had it great. wall street can continue to do just fine and now under this administration, it's main street's turn. david: that i think will hit americans on the target. they know that's true and if they're able to prove it to middle class americans and main street america that now there's more opportunity and more money in our pocks, that's going to guarantee successful midterm election; right? >> that's right. by doing the tax cuts very important and getting the cuts made permanent and continue to cut taxes and even further, deregulate. this will increase the supply side of the economy, which will combat inflation. one of the most important things scott bessent said in that interview with larry, they're not pushing for a rate cut from the fed right now.

that was misreported and a lot of people saying oh, trump is demanding a rate cut. that's untrue. trump said he wasn't demanding a rate cut and besent said they're not -- bessent said they're not and focusing on the policy and not monetary and they know that inflation is the biggest faux of their administration right now. they need to conquer it and the way is to grow the supply side of the economy. david: steve, we agree if they get tax extensions with new cuts that trump wants, things are pretty rosie for the chances of gop winning the midterm elections in 2026 and opposite of that and what might happen if they let them happen and the senate as well and donald trump would have two years to do stuff and final two years would be a lame duck. >> final two years impeachment and all other kinds of junk from the past and key thing on the tax cuts, david, timing.

the longer they wait in renewing those tax cuts of 2017, and longer they wait in getting big new tax cuts to juice the number. 2017 preservings the status quo. we need another round of juice. fire up the economy, and that's what some of these republicans don't understand and get us out of the fiscal mess and got to grow the economy. ronald reagan taught us that. donald trump taught us that in the first term before covid. and so fighting on cutting the capital gains tax and stimulates the economy immediately. get off their addiction to the crazy way they score future tax cuts. david: you don't have to be a phd in economics to understand

that we've increased revenue by $1.5 trillion since 20917 tax cuts and they've increased and they increase so much economic activity because of the way they were structured and that there was a 48% increase in revenues and yet the folks inside of the beltway still want to call a tax cut a cost that you have to offset. nothing against cutting the horrible spending we've had and extra income the government made as a result of this tax cuts and they've say it costs money and it didn't. that's a lie. >> it didn't cost money and really costing money is if they fail to extend the tax cuts and to cut taxes even further. that'll be a tremendous blow to the economy already sowing doubt about whether they'll end up getting the tax bill and remember, the margins are very thin and not taking very much resignations scandals, deaths,

anything to actually undo our majority in the house. that would stop the tax c cuts that would stop the economy and don't say wait till september and do it now. this spring. give us an easter tax bill. david: kevin hassett spoke about the meeting the president had with gop members of house and senate yesterday. went on for hours by the way. here's what kevin said. he's the new nec director. roll tape. >> the president went there and he showed clear leadership. he identify what had he wants to do, and the people of the house were convinced by his arguments and the vice president's. i think there was a positive gain yesterday in that space. david: have either of you heard, steve, first to you. heard anything about that

meeting and whether the president was successful in telling these people you got to do it now? >> i think they got the message but then they keep going back to well, we need to do this and know certain tax cuts maybe only five years and junk like that. so it's not just one meeting and he's got to lost them each day and events got to lash them each day and cabinet going through and relentless going back from obstacles and president trump and the vice president doing the same thing and scott bessent doing the same thing and hammer, hammer, hammer if they do delay, you know what's going to happen. two reconciliation bills and going all at once for crying out loud. david: seems even more that some people are sitting on the fence and saying well, we need two and we got to put the tax stuff at the -- in the second bill, which again if we don't have a tax extension by the end of this year, we will have the biggest

tax increase in history. >> we cannot wait till the end of this year and markets and the economy will start to react way before that. they will not wait till the end of the year for taxes to go up. they'll see what is the direction we're going in and it'll slow the economy and crash the markets and it'll be a disaster. scott bessent and donald trump and jd vance need to sit with the senators and say do you like your chairmanship because you're going to lose them. david: donald trump understands the power of incentives and a lot of republicans frankly been in the public sector so long if they had any private sector experience, they've forgotten about it. >> they'll use their jobs and getting primaries by republicans and republicans losing majority. it is imperative for them to act for sake of the economy and majority.

>> pass the tax bill or dust off resume. david: finally talk about something that's positive and you talked a lot during the biden administration and using regulations to socialize the economy and so many different ways and not just dei but all kinds of ways dealing with the environment and dealing with their idea of government becoming going for them and it's going to be a tax increase in and of donald trump has begun. >> it's not just the big things. calling off the war against paper or plastic straws. david: i love it. getting off our backs and this will have a direct effect on our gdp.

>> one thing that was death to the economy and going to make joe biden's plan to get us off fossil fuels and going in the opposite direction and really important. david: i've been without natural gas in my apartment building for nine months now. nine months. they turned it because governor hochul increases regulations on natural gas and no way to satisfy the regulators. in cutting off gas lines all over new york. >> i'm here to help you out. i know a propane guy. >> they never ban anything but regulate out of existence and he's stopping that. thank goodness. david: steve and john, great to see you both. thank you for being here.

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david: let's talk about what this president has inherited from the previous president and how he turn it is around. we talked about tax cuts and regulatory cuts, but is it going to be a tougher poll than even donald trump imagined before he became president. >> he inherited an inflation problem and they were pretending inflation was going away when they tried to cut rates and the fed realized that was a mistake and trump inherit trust worthies biden is established media and going to blame it on them.

david: how many patients do they have for this and before seeing results of the policies. >> he's got it and he's active and that's why three weeks feels like three years and doing so much each day and american people have would recollects this is something and cutting him slack and monarchies to do it and that gets back over to our earlier discussion about the need to get a big nice fat beautiful tax bill through and going with great new tax cuts and also the federal reserve and the big fight is about interest rates and the fed's independence and the fed's misjudgment about what causing inflation and

inflation is regulation and taxes and the like. devaluing the dollar and gold price is nearing $2,900. that's a warning signal and undermining integrity of the dollar and should focus on that and not trying to slow the economy. david: is it time, john, to talk about living without the federal reserve board? let's go all out and saying i understand you need a central bank as lender of last resort and maybe pull it back for that one purpose. we done need the fed reserve to set rates. >> think about what they did in the first trump administration and raised rate when is they didn't need to and afraid that growth would cause inflays and we had almost no inflation and that sent inflation through the roof and end of the biden administration, very suspiciously, they started cutting like a bandit and 5, 20,

20, they come in and tram -- # 75, 25, 25. no more. going political. and going with them and disagree withs him. and david: the point is the market understands but the fed doesn't and why do we need the fed? >> i'm going to tell them to go to wikipedia and look up soviet union and that's what happens when you try to manage a big economy from the top. it'll take care of itself. it's big enough. key thing, keep a stable dollar, get out of the way and be there for the occasional panic we have to be a lender of last resort. david: steve and john, appreciate it. coming up, sinking grades on math and reading pointing to the truth and more on spending for the department of education and getting through and we're going to talk about j gianno caldwell,

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david: there's a little bit of mela drama and democrats trying to enter the department of education this morning and they continue their attempt it is shut down the work of elon musk and the doge team. fox news chief washington correspondent mike emmanuel live with the late ohs on the drama. what did it look like? >> just ambushed department of education and trying to force a meeting with the acting secretary. >> it's the department of education and we're hear because we pay for them. >> i'm a member of congress with oversight responsibilities request agameting and private security contractor not allowing me to have the building. >> elon musk and donald trump want to shut down the department

of education. suddenly they don't want to let members of dong congress n. >> but the security guard at department of education stood his ground and turned them away. >> you don't have a business reason to be here. >> if you have have an appointment or on the guest list, we'll let you in. reporter: telling fox, the protest was organized by members of congress exercising the rights and president trump weighed in on the incident this afternoon. >> i see maxine waters, a low life. they don't love our country. we want great education.

david: i want to buy that security guard a case of beer. if you get his number, let me know. more on this and let me bring in all star panel, gianno caldwell and sarah carter and alex mar aw editor in chief of the breitbart business digest and good to see you all. thanks for being here. sarah, that poor security guard. he held his ground very well. he kept them at bay and we're spending enormous amount of money and department of education taking over the role of a lot of school boards and designing their own curriculum and worked at high schoolteacher in gianno's town of chicago in

caprini green. it was a very tough area. >> tough streets. david: yeah, and the parents were dying for good education and they weren't getting it, and we were being forced to use stuff from do ed that was bad, bad material. bad educational material and bribed school board into accepting it and they did and it wasn't working. that's the problem and test scores for the money we're spending and going down and heard last week it's not just the pandemic from 2022 to now and reading and math scores plummeting and there's no excuse whatsoever, the department of ed. >> yeah, david, they've not only plummeting but the cost per pupil has gone over 245% since the 1970s and because of the department of education. to the tune of like, i think, $13.9 billion last year and divided between their ten subcomponents and parents were

waking up. all you have to do is look back at covid as soon as there was a lockdown, and parents were keeping students at home, our eyes were wide open. i saw for myself, my friends calling me in virginia from loudoun county, they were saying it is a joke. our children aren't learning. our teachers have a woke agenda and the money is being diverted to social engineering programs and i think elon musk and the president are seeing it for what it is and parents want choices. whether you're in the most urban area of chicago to the most rural place in ohio, parents want choices for their children so that they can have a great education and that they can move forward. david: tay payers want accounting and not just the department of education and it was all that covid spending for k-12 and $189 billion. aniy where that money went,

alex? certainly not to raising test scores? >> all administration stuff and thinking about it and the last time that the department of education going to do anything interesting and they crack down on red state governors that wanted to ban mass in school and was antiscience and totally antisocial and last time they did anything and audit of people worthwhile of the department of education and going for them not doing anything good. here's the plan and what to do and fire everyone and going to get rid of department of education. just an act of congress to do that. go in there and fire every person so no one works there and leave one person to mop the floor and that's it. education will improve when the department of education gets out of the way and local communities and families take the lead on people's education. system of articulation david: and give them a choice. sarah mentioned this, gianno, the fact that the president did sign an executive order expanding the idea of school choice choice and the federal government behind the idea and

the rule of law and way we do business in america and education system. how would school choice giving people the money back that they're paying for subpar education and spend where they want and know their kids will learn something and how will that change a situation in a place like chicago? >> to be good. places like illinois and multiple failing schools and the children don't know how to read or write if they're grade level and all of them in a particular school. multiple schools are like that and school choice highly benefit and doesn't matter if you're an african american, hispanic, white, asian, whatever the case may be and it's specialized education. the school unions have been protecting bad teachers for many years and these bad teachers that can give a care about students and those that are struggling, we see them regularly disappoint parents and look at these test sc scores and

school choice would be a phenomenal idea for the federal government to really get involved, but we know that many of these blue states and cities attempt at every turn to block school choice and giving parents the opportunity to bring their children into schools that will actually care about their education. david: gianno, chicago is in the news and new ag, new attorney general pam bondi announced she's suing chicago and other sanctuary cities for standing in the way of ice's attempts to get really bad guys in the streets. how much are the people of chicago supporting what the president is doing? presidenting the new ag on this? >> you know, pamela bondi was on our board for us and i was with her when the votes came order

signed executive orders going after funding of many of the sanctuary cities, et cetera. pam bondi getting a lot of support in chicago and numbers from president trump and he did massively want more than in 2016 and he won even chicago pri precincts multiple and one that was the kern county precinct and pre-detained inmates can vote. people all over the country know we've been in a failing situation whether it's the economy, whether it be inflation, whether it be crime. the country knows that we need change, and now we have a team in office that are competent, have integrity, and will believe in law and order and do what they say that they'll they will dom i'm excited to see pam bondi in the nor role, and i believe the country will change for the benefit because of it. david: sanctuary cities are blocking ice's attempts and

giving advance warning to some of the worst tren de aragua wokes in aurora, colorado. tom homan spoke to what they're doing and play that and get your reaction. roll it. >> this isn't a game. when it takes like that, it puts our officers at great risk. it's a dangerous job and everybody can agree to that. when they get a heads up we're coming, only a matter of time before officers are ambushed and their jobs are dangerous enough. david: will he be able to stop the sanctuary city snitches? >> i don't know but they're sending clear messages that law and order is back and biden administration had a war on law and order they're against it. that's what bondi is doing and i don't know how powerful she is to cut funding and jeff sessions tried and didn't work out. what homan is doing with messaging and bondi suggesting if you're a lawbreaker and we're

not tolerating it. we're -- tolerate it. we're not going to let you get in the way and if you do, there's going to be hell to pay. david: up note on super bowl game on sunday was the first sitting president to attend a super bowl game is donald trump. there seems to be something different with trump two than trump one. he is more playful and more endearing and saw that incredible scene yesterday signing executive orders preventing boys from going to girls locker rooms where he was surrounded by all these kids, he brought them over and knew how to produce the moment; right? not only producing the moment but a very natural moment and children loved him and everyone loves him and he's bringing common sense back to america and you're right, this is an up note. the super bowl is his audience; right. everyone would be there. everyone will be watching and this is where trump can do his

thing. he spent years fighting the swamp, fighting the establishment and now he's trump. 100%, 1,000%, full steam ahead and audience ready to hear him. david: what a great panel. thank you so much for being here, folks. gianno, alex, sarah, appreciate it and have a wonderful weekend. bret baier will have an exclusive interview with president trump during pregame coverage this sunday at 3:00 p.m. eastern over on fox news. well, meanwhile newt gingrich writes in his gingrich 360 that there's been a dramatic shift in america's attitudes about big government that could hep us actually work towards a balanced budget. wouldn't that be a miracle. re-a minded me of strong support we receive for the american people for welfare reform in balancing the budget in 1996. we reform welfare, half the democrats voted for it because the voters back home supported it so strongly. and newt joins us now to talk about it.

newt gingrich, former house speaker and fox news contributor and thank you for being here. you had trouble getting here and appreciate your effort. do you see this as one of those moments going back to when you were able with a persuasive president bill clinton to balance a budget? >> it was back on the fact we are the only time in the last 100 years and republican it is it with a democratic president and look at republican house, republican gnat, a republican president and i think, you know, this is a real historic opportunity and one big beautiful bill and moving early and by may or june at latest and you need the economic growth next year and you need a trump

boom in order to keep the house in the election for 2026. what's exciting for me is working on what robert f. kennedy jr. called make america healthy again and we have been looking at what john goodman doing for make america honest again. you know, you begin to realize by the way, health is so gigantic and 18% of the economy. if you cut out the crooks and save well over $1 trillion. over the next ten years. and start looking with people say how do you pay for the tax cuts? economic growth pays for a lot but second, by reforming health and by making it possible for doctors and patients to work together for less bureaucratic oversight by making it possible as robert f. kennedy jr. wants to focusing on keeping people healthy. we live a very expensive sick care system but not a healthcare system and as a result we spend twice as much per person as

switzerland, which is the second most expensive country in the world. twice as much. big part is just crooks. david: meanwhile, democrats are making it easier for those of us that want to balance a budget by supporting some of the most outrageous crap that has come out of congress, including binary language training in sri lanka, lgbtq causes in uganda. i mean, their hysteria about saving things that are obviously to the american people going on vast majority day and going with the job going to be a bit easier; right? >> well, i challenge you and saw a study today of the effort by the usaid program to force a country in africa to adopt radical policies if they were going to get money.

you begin to realize usaid was an engine for woke radicalism around the planet. when you look at kind of things they were sponsoring, you know, i'm not totally sure we need a transvestite opera for example and courses in transgenderrism and all these things were an effort by the radical left to take our money, use it with the power of our government and try to radicalize the entire planet, and i think one of the smartest things president trump has done is close it down, reorganize it and bring it back on a form where usaid will be pro american and pro common sense. david: newt, they're giving me a wrap but i want to get in and you mention faith and faith will play a very important role in trump two. the second term of donald trump. he's spoke about the one growing and light of the horrible assassination attempt and deadly assassination attempt going for

the summer. roll that tape. >> none of us knows exactly when our time on earth will be over. you never know. in truth, i confronted a few short months ago when there was an incident that wasn't fun and not a good thing. but god was watching me. honestly, it's a very changed -- it changed something in me i feel. i feel even stronger. i believed in god but i feel much more strongly about it. david: newt, in light of that, he's creating a white house faith office and domestic policy and announced a task force to protect christians and people don't realize how much antagonism and death and destruction resulted from direct attacks on christians not only in america but places like nigeria and elsewhere. how much will it focus on faith

by the president mean to this second trump administration? >> that speech mean as great deal and the speed speech by jd vance is a secular left and jews and christians and you've had a deep belief when everything we below in is wrong and you have fbi looking at ideas of them going for them and it's going for the university of terrorists and going with the whole thing crazy and i think the degree to which the president going for a long time and he was deeply affected by surviving and he does believe as i do that it was providential and turned at last possible second to save his life and the second effort and speaker mike johnson there and told about the second shooter and prayed for two hours, two of them alone because i think all of a sudden is important and

going for god and closing for the faith and our declaration of independence said we're endowed by our creator. think about that . this is a nation based on a belief. that god is above us. david: two other men that really changed the world who went through a similar experience and one was john paul ii and he was based in faith but another was ronald reagan and not as faithful a person as he game an assassination attempt against him and seen it happen before and let's pray that it happens again. newt gingrich, thank you for being here and have a wonderful super bowl weekend. president trump laid out clear vision for the gaza strip and we'll discuss with former trump national security council chief of staff alex gray coming up next.

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and would need anybody and supplied and given to us by israel and they'll watch it in terms of security when i talk about boots on the ground or anything like that. we'll -- the fact that we're there and have an investment there and would go a long way to creating peace. david: president trump laying out a little more and little more specificity exactly as we planned for gaza and joining me is alex gray and former chief of staff council. alex, what do you think about it? he is ruminating war about this and more people like bb netanyahu and others saying gee, it's not a bad idea after all. >> well, look and see, david. he's got plans that are being formulated by the national security council staff i'm sure right now for how this would be implemented and practiced and four years of living american

decline day-to-day and a president is challenging us to do big things and greenlands or panama or tech innovation and going for the most challenging attractable world crises going to be fundamentally different and early 20th centure we are teeth theodore roosevelt and new burst of american energy that we can tackle all the problems and breathe new life for the second term. david: seems he's reneging on the initial agreement and if i'm wrong, he's trying to pull a fast one on president trump and i don't think he'll win that battle.

>> they're going to work this through. they're going to do what they can to get to a solution and the bottom line with the leverage and going with the panamaens and going to mcthings difficult and going to cooperation on the fundamental security interest which is free passage through the canal. if they're not going through the adversary and china and neutrality provision of the treaty that gave the teach. david: nancy pelosi tore up trump's speech at the meeting. i have a feeling he'll do the same with the treaty if they don't snap into shape.

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