bill: i mean, your timing was perfect. martha: busy day today. bill: who knows what happens with joaquin over the weekend. martha: happy friday though. we'll keep an eye on it and see you back here on monday. bye, everybody. jenna: fox news alert. searching for answers one day after a mass killing, a gunman opening fire at a community college in oregon. hello, i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. the shooter, identified as 26-year-old chris harper mercer, he was shot and killed by police. taking the lives of nine people, injuring at least seven others. we're expecting to learn more two hours from now. as it stands, the shooter's mote e remains un-- motive remains unclear. survivors say the shooter demanded his victims state their religion before shooting them. one witness describes the horror.

>> we heard the first shot at, i believe it was 10:38 when the cops said they got their first call, and then one of the students from my class left to go check on the other room, and she was shot in the arm and in the stomach and ran back to our class and told us that there was a gun. it was right next to the room. we heard all the screams, all the shots, heard everything. jon: william la jeunesse live in roseburg, oregon. william? >> reporter: well, jon, one of the questions, as you mentioned, is motive. why here? why now? why yesterday? we don't yet have a manifesto like we did in the case of that lapd cop who went on a rampage, nor a video explaining his actions like that usb student who killed six students. we do know mercer moved here in 2013 with his mother, and his neighbors say he's not a very friendly guy. the sheriff said he does not have a criminal record.

however, according to three witnesses mercer shot the professor first and then asked students in this writing and speech class if they were christian, and if they said yes, they were shot in the head. if not, they were shot in the leg. that comes from three individuals who survived. now, there was an army vet named chris mince, he was shot seven times trying to protect other students. >> tried to block the door to keep the gunman from coming in. gets shot three times, hits the floor. looks up at the gunman and says it's my son's birthday today. gets shot two more times. >> his vital signs are okay. i mean, he's going to have to learn to walk again, but he walked away with his life, and that's more than so many other people did. >> reporter: as for the nine victims, because this is a mass shooting, the medical examiner will release the names most likely in 12 to another 24 hours. it's a small community, you know? they had a vigil last night, put the -- in candlelight put the

name of the college, and these people know the heartbreak, know the families, the hopes and the dreams that will never come true. and the sheriff said he refuses to even use mercer's name, denying him the celebrity or infamy that he sought. >> you will never hear me mention his name. we would encourage media and the community to avoid using it. we encourage you to not repeat it. we encourage you not to glorify and create sensationalism for him. >> reporter: you know, jon, it could have been a lot worse. police found four games, three hundt guns, a rifle, several different magazines, and this was a gun-free zone. and the school only had one security guard who did not carry a weapon, but a can of mace. so unless those sheriff's deputies arrived any later, they got here in eight minutes, there

could have been a lot more victims. jon: and i like the sheriff's approach. thank you. jenna: a lieutenant detective joins us now on set with more thoughts on this event, also where the investigation starts now. steve, today what is law enforcement focused on? >> well, they're going to focus on how did he get the weapons, where did they come from? that's very important. but what's really important is this motive. they're talking about possible hate crime, and motive's very important because once they get the motive, they can look into this guy's mind and hope that there's no one else who's going to go down that path. that worries law enforcement. jenna: are you concerned about copycats because of something like that? >> well, yes. these people are making news all over the place. even the president of the united states -- who, by the way, i think made a major error in judgment peeking about this -- speaking about this before they got the facts. but that could add fuel to a copycat. jenna: the sheriff mentioned i'm

not going to mention the suspect's name. for these sort of mass shootings, should we rethink that? >> it's a double-edged sword. by releasing the guy's name, you never know who's out there that's going to have information on this individual that'll lead to maybe more arrests, that'll lead to key pieces of information in an investigation. it's a double-edged sword. but the media has a job to do. you're doing it well on fox, and you've been very accurate. jenna: we do want to focus on solutions as well, and it was interesting, this caught our attention in the "new york times." "the new york times" was quoting a former school president for the community college who recently retired as saying this about armed security guards on campus. he said we talked about over the last year, but because we were concerned about safety on campus. the campus was split 50/50. we thought we were a very safe campus, and having armed security officers on campus might change the culture.

he went on to say if you want to come on the campus and you want to shoot five people, you're going to do that before security would arrive. what do you think of that sentiment? >> a couple issues here. we should have armed security guards on these campuses. we're living in extraordinary times, and it's going to take extraordinary measures to protect us. we talk -- when i say "we," our leaders in government, our political establishment. part of the solution, i believe, is a draft. i'm not talking about a military draft, i'm talking about a citizens in service to america draft program requiring 18-25-year-olds requiring them to do some sort of service that will be significant for this country. why? because like the military, you're going to have psychological evaluation. could you get 18, 19-year-olds that might have a problem? you get 'em early, you get them into intervention, and you're putting people to work, you're putting them in a structured environment. and you know what? you're going to get some of those gang members off the streets. if they don't sign up for this, they go to jail.

that's what has to be done. jenna: certainly there's going to be folks that think that's really controversial. >> sure. jenna: you mention it parallels a little bit to the israel model. because in israel you have to serve in the military so you do got a certain amount of weapons training and oversight as a young person before you enter the next stage or college or wherever you're going to go after that. so you would advocate for that because of the oversight because of the mental illness part of this? >> well, the whole works. we have to address that, and that's a good way for early intervention. as a police officer, i can't -- i could look at somebody and deal with somebody for years who you know has a mental problem. nothing i can do to help short of a court order, and you've got to arrest them for that. get them in an environment where they're going to do something constructive, where their character's going to be built, and maybe, just maybe, you live in a great country, why don't you contribute to it. jenna: in israel to get a gun

you have to get a doctor's note, it's still very difficult. do you think that should be part of registration, that you have to bring a doctor's note to show that you're mentally healthy? >> ye. i'm in -- yes, i'm in favor of reasonable guidelines. reasonable guidelines are important because when i'm walking in a mall, look, i do what a lot of people do, i look around and wonder, should i have my weapon with me? trained people know what to do when the time comes to eliminate somebody who's going to kill somebody. jenna: we appreciate your insight, as always. thank you. >> you're welcome. jon: one of the american heroes who stopped a terrorist attack on a train in europe attends that college in oregon. alek skarlatos who was in the middle of training for "dancing with the stars," he spoke with our greta van susteren. >> i would have been there today, actually, if the train hadn't happened. i was already enrolled for class. still waiting on names to see if

it's anybody i know. >> even your stepmother worked there? >> yes. my stepmother -- i mean, a good portion of my friends from deployment are enrolled there. i mean, it's a really small community, and like i said, it's just everybody knows everybody, so it's heartbreaking really. jon: you probably recall back in august skarlatos and spencerstone and anthony sadler stopped a gunman on a train heading to paris before that gunman could kill anyone. jenna: more on the breaking news out of oregon. in the meantime, hurricane joaquin battering the bahamas. is heading north. what keen's expected to move -- joaquin's expected to move further offshore and not make contact with the mainland. five governors have declared states of emergency. jarrett tenny's -- garrett tenny's live in virginia beach with more for us now. >> reporter: just in this last couple of hours the wind has

picked up. we've seen gusts of 30-35 miles an hour. as you can see, the storm surge just in the last 30 minutes is starting to pick up. we've seen it come up probably about 30, 40 feet in just the last ten minute alone, and the rain, it is still falling after falling for much of this week at a nearly constant rate. and this weekend joe quinn is supposed to bring an additional -- joaquin is supposed to bring an additional foot or more of rain to this area. officials are preparing for the worst but hoping for the best. they admit that even the best case scenarios involve the possibility of major flooding all throughout the state of virginia as well as north and south carolina. in the next couple hours, we are expecting to see some of the worst tidal flooding here in virginia beach with tides going up more than six feet above their normal levels. the weather, it has prompted donald trump to cancel a rally that was scheduled for this

afternoon here in virginia beach and even the zombie fest has been rescheduled for this weekend, jenna. that's when you know it's bad. jenna: we can hear it in your microphone, too, the weather, the rain and the wind. garrett, thank you very much. from the east coast, we're going to move to the west coast because we don't want to forget about what's happening out there. major progress in the fight against deadly wildfires in northern california. the fire southeast of sacramento is fully contained. it killed two people and destroyed nearly 500 homes over the last several weeks. the valley fire near napa valley is nearly contained as well, 97% at last check. at least four people have lost their lives and nearly 2,000 buildings destroyed in this fire. jon: new signs the u.s. economy may be slowing down a bit. u.s. hiring stalled last month amid a slowdown in the global economy. employers added just 142,000 u.s. jobs. the unemployment rate holding steady at 5.1%, but analysts say

that's only because so many people stopped looking for work. right now the dow down 96 points as you can see. not welcome news on wall street. those jobless figures. jenna: a u.s. military aircraft crashes overseas killing everyone onboard, and now there's a claim of responsibility. we'll get into that. also, hillary clinton maintaining her lead in the race for the democratic nomination for president despite losing ground to bernie sanders. can sanders close the gap?

jenna: the united states air force confirms a military transport plane has crashed in eastern afghanistan, and six u.s. service members, five contractor civilians were killed when that c-130 went down shortly after midnight. the taliban claimed they shot the plane out of the sky, but the defense officials are telling fox news are saying there wasn't enemy fire involved. in the meantime, the taliban's

new leader calls the capture of kunduz a symbolic victory, one that shows the strength of the insurgency even though the terror group was driven out of that city by forces after three days. ♪ ♪ jon: hillary clinton's lead in the race for the democratic presidential nomination is shrinking. a new poll shows she has 41% of the vote now. senator bernie sanders has 23%, vice president joe biden, who's not even officially in the race, has 20. clinton is down from 59% back in july. so let's drill into some of these numbers a bit with john mccormack, senior writer for the weekly standard, ed o'keefe is a political reporter for "the washington post". gentlemen, welcome. ed, i want to start with you. you point out that these are national polls, and they actually don't necessarily reflect, perhaps, the bigger problem that hillary clinton has at the moment. >> that's right. because in iowa and in new hampshire, depending on the surveys you're looking at, sanders is either really close to her or beyond her in these

polls, and those are the first two states, obviously, that go and set up the momentum for the 48 others. so he is performing quite well in both of those places. he's visited them a lot, and clinton is either lagging or just barely ahead of him. also notable that biden is doing better as more polls come out in both of those states. you know, nationally what it suggests is that democrats generally don't seem to have a big issue with these e-mails, but for those paying closer attention and actually getting to see these candidates, there's a little more interest in bernie sanders. jon: john, we all know what happened in 2008 when she came in third in iowa, you know? she was the anointed one in that election until a little-known senator from illinois came in in first place in iowa. do you see the possibility that she could lose maybe both new hampshire and iowa? >> well, certainly. that's exactly what the polls are showing right now, as ed pointed out. if she losing both of those states, i think the hope of the clinton folks is that the party eventually comes to its senses,

realizes we can't nominate a guy who is a self-described socialist who wants to add trillions and trillions to the debt, they'll come to their senses. the big problem for hillary is if she loses those first two contests, i think you would see a shift from more of the establishments toward biden if he's in the race, and that could be the downfall of hillary clinton. jon: what about the comments that kevin mccarthy made that the clinton camp has seized upon, ed, suggesting that the benghazi investigation is really just a political witch hunt? >> a big help for her, no doubt, because, you know, we talk about in journalism the concept of show, don't tell. allow those that are sort of out there to tell the story, don't tell it for them. well, now they have arc. david brock said today, he said, look, we have this clip now of kevin mccarthy saying it was established for political purposes, we've got our ad. and you better believe it will

appear on the internet, on the television screens all across the country in ads for hillary clinton, supporting her, by suggesting republicans set this up for political gain. he's tried to walk it back, but cat's out of the bag, and democrats certainly think the whole concept of the committee has been discounted even though she still plans to testify to it later this month. jon: at the same time, john, you know, the impressions seem to be kind of baked in already when asked about what people, you know, people asked how would you describe hillary clinton in a word, they use words like liar. can that be overcome in the amount of time remaining? >> well, i certainly don't think that this mini gaffe by kevin mccarthy is going to help her overcome that. it's probably more of a problem for mccarthy, raising questions about him as a messenger for the republican party. he didn't say we did this because of partisan politics. he pointed out there was an upside for the party by holding her accountable. you know, i don't think objectively what matters is the motivation of these people

answering the questions. it didn't matter that jimmy carter's son was involved in the release of the mitt romney allegations. what matters in this case are just the mere facts of the case. hillary clinton doesn't have a good explanation for saying there was no classified information on her server, now there is. she can't explain the gap in the e-mails. and there are partisan opposition researchers on both sides which often uncover true facts that are deeply damaging to the other side. i don't think this gaffe is going to help her out all that much. jon: john mccormack, ed o'keefe, thank you very much. >> thank you. jenna: well, young south africans now joining isis and al-qaeda in the middle east. a fox news exclusive on what's drawing them thousands of miles from home and what's to stop it. plus, a man charged with killing two college students is facing a life sentence, but it's

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goes, but secretary duncan stepping could down from the administration. jon: some new information now on a story we've been following. a man accused of murdering two college students could get life in prison for a rape case later today. a judge is set to sentence jesse matthew for a sexual assault from 2005. his family has asked for leniency. an ex-girlfriend even writing a letter to the judge saying matthew was sexually abused himself as a child. matthew was also charged in the murders of morgan harrington and hannah graham. he faces the death penalty in graham's murder. jenna: a fox news exclusive right now. many young south africans are leaving home to join isis and al-qaeda in syria and other parts of the middle east. the south african government calling in extra resources to stop recruiting. we have an exclusive report. >> reporter: fox news has learned that up to one south aftera can a day is leaving this

country a day to go fight for isis or al-qaeda. the iraqi ambassador says this is a serious situation. >> we could say with certainty that 50-60 persons, south african citizens, have joined the isil or al-nusra in syria. there are some reports suggesting that more than a hundred have done so, and as many as 300 or more. >> the board says -- the ambassador says most of them come from a downtown area of johannesburg. this is where two south africans killed while fighting in syria earlier this year came from. non-muslims are not welcomed here. as our fox news crew clandestinely filmed near a mosque, we were spotted, and a large group of men came to our vehicle and threatened us. some touching objects under their clothes as they told us to leave.

martin huey explains why some south africans want to join isis. >> because of their belief in the message, the prop began da. >> reporter: fox news has learned as one final note that authorities here are so worried about this growing trend of warriors for jihad that they've set up a specialized deep cover intelligence unit. jenna? jenna: paul, thank you. jon: a fox news alert. we've just gotten word that about four hours from now, 3:30 eastern time, president obama is going to be holding a news conference in the white house. he doesn't do those very often. obviously, he's going to be peppered with questions about what's gown on in sir -- going on in syria where russian airstrikes apparently have been aimed at forces loyal to the cia and trained by the cia. the russians clearly trying prop up bashar al assad and his government. the russians even went so far as to tell the united states to get

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jon: again, a fox news alert. we just learned that president obama will be holding a news conference about four hours from now, 3:30 eastern time. we are led to believe that it will primarily concern the news alert that jenna just brought you, that his long-serving secretary of education arne duncan is stepping down. once he gets past those formalities, he can be asked about anything. yesterday he was pushing for gun control after that deadly shooting at an oregon community college, umpqua community college. the president calling for action saying our thoughts and prayers

are not enough. >> and, of course, what's also routine is that somebody somewhere will comment and say obama politicized this issue. well, this is something we should politicize. it is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic. i would ask news organizations, because i won't put these facts forward, have news organizations tally up the number of americans who have been killed through terrorist attacks over the last decade and the number of americans who have been killed by gun violence. and post those side by side on your news reports. this won't be information coming from me, it will be coming from you. jon: talk about it with our media panel today, pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter judith miller along

with the washington bureau chief of the "chicago sun-times", lynn sweet. they join me now. lynn, i don't know, whether -- will you be at that news conference, and if so, what would be your first question for the president? >> well, yes, i'm going to go. in this case i have a split responsibility because arnie cup can is from chicago, so, of course -- duncan is from chicago so, of course, they're going to be very interested in what he does next. but for the nation the question would be if there really is anything that the president could do to push gun control in his last year plus in office that he has not been able to do in the six-plus years he's been at the white house. jon: judy, your first question, what would it be for the president today? >> my question is when are you going to do more than just complain to the american people? when are you going to ask the american people in earnest to do something about this problem? and the problem, of course, is multifaceted. it involves dealing with mental health, but it also involves

implementing the gun control legislation which is on the books which is his responsibility, his administration's responsibility and enacting new, tighter gun control legislation. and, yes, i am a great critic of the president's foreign policy and much of what he does in the national security realm. but on this i have to say i understand why he's truly angry and frustrated. jon: but, lynn, you know, when you listened to his remarks yesterday, he kind of seemed to blame everything on the congress. there isn't a lot that -- i mean, the harry truman expression the buck stops here doesn't often seem to land on his desk. there are other issues involved, as judy points out. 8% unemployment in that particular corner of oregon where this shooting took place. this kid apparently came from a fatherless home again. there are a lot of things the president could be stressing beyond gun control that might, might alleviate the problem. >> well, actually, jon, he has.

during one of the past killings, after the ones, i think, in sandy hook there were a raft of executive orders that did try to get to the root causes, particularly with young men, of why -- who are the ones who are doing these shootings. don't try to change the subject here, jon, and get away from what might be one of many solutions which is putting some curbs on access to guns. i don't think you really, you know, what you're trying to do is pivot to a conversation that should be held and, indeed, has been held. but i don't think it alleviates the responsibility of trying to do something at the point where trouble can happen, and that is when people who shouldn't have them have guns. jon: well, i'm not trying to avoid the issue, judy, i'm just saying -- and, again, this is for judy -- but there are a lot of complex issues involved in this problem, and the president says that it's all about guns. >> no, he doesn't say that. i agree with lynn. he has dealt with and talked

about a lot of the other issues. but -- and there are issues such as i know this was a, quote, gun-free zone in this community in oregon, but a security guard not having a weapon to defend people in that gun-free zone? that's inexplicable to me, as inexplicable as it is having marines or navy personnel or military people at recruiting stations without guns. but, look, guns kill people. access to guns is too easy in this country. there is kind of a consensus on that in every poll. and yet every time we put this issue to the congress, it gets slapped down. and i understand why the president is frustrated. how many of these killings are we going to have before the american people actually mobilize to do something? that's the question he's asking. i don't think that's politicizing the issue. i think this gun control issue has become politicized. he's on one side, the nra is on the other. and what we have to do is point out that it is politicized and

urge people to kind of look at the statistics and come to a common sense verdict about what to do about this. jon: well, but you know, lynn, as judy pointed out, it was a gun-free zone, this college, and the guy carried guns into the gun-free zone. i mean, there are going to be people who break laws no matter how many laws you pass, and as has often been stated, if the gun laws that are on the books were simply enforced, a lot of these shootings never would have taken place. >> jon, i'm not going to accept the premise of your question on this one. it's nice to have a gun-free zone. okay, that's sometimes sad to say more -- that still doesn't abrogate a responsibility to answer the question of why we have so many guns for people who just should not have them. you cannot get away from this question by trying to move to another conversation. jon, let's just stick to it. there are reasons why we need more curbs, and these incredible

raft of killings that we seem to have constantly in america is a reason to examine why there need to be some curbs on gun purchases. jon: yeah -- >> more curbs. jon: there will be more information still to come, i'm sure, about how this guy got his guns and who provided them to him. we'll sternly stay on top -- certainly stay on top of that. thank you both. >> thank you, jon. jenna: the syrian foreign minister prepares to address the u.n. today as tensions blare between the u.s. and russia over fighting in that country. moscow continues a campaign of airstrikes supposedly aimed at isis, but u.s. officials say russia is missing its mark. peter doocy joins us live from the pentagon with more. >> reporter: right, jenna. all reports from the ground in syria are that russia is targeting u.s.-backed rebels to help them prop up president assad. so the question becomes what is the pentagon going to do about it? well, since they won't admit these opposition groups who have

been getting help from the cia are being singled out, the short answer is nothing. >> talking about a hypothetical situation, again, hypothetical situation, i think you should take our answers right now as not wanting to venture into hypothetical situations. >> reporter: we got word this morning there are legal problems with using u.s. war planes to defend rebels from russia because right now the u.s. is only permitted to target members of isis and al-nusra, another terror group. so a u.s. war plane could defend itself but cannot shoot at a russian crew. but as lawyers and planners here at the defense department sort through what they are allowed to do to best protect american interests, administration critics in the senate say putin has a well-thought-out plan, and now he's got a head start. >> if he can wipe out all the non-isis elements on the ground in syria, then they can turn to the world and say, okay, guys, here's your choice; isis or assad? because there's no one left. >> reporter: the white house

continues to insist that the russians join up with the u.s.-led coalition, but the kremlin says they have no interest in that. they say they are going to carry on by themselves for what they say will be a three or four-month-long effort. and just to give you an idea about how unique the situation in syria is right now, this is the first time since world war ii that u.s. war planes and russian war planes have been running airstrikes over the same country at the same time. jenna. jenna: interesting facts for us, peter. thank you. jon: there is new information just into our newsroom about an explosion causing injuries at this chemical plant a short time ago. we'll have some details on what we know ahead. plus, police searching for clues in the oregon community college shooter's motive. how he's being described as those who survive begin the long, long process of recovery. >> his vital signs are okay. i mean, he's going to have to learn to walk again, but he walked away with his life, and

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jon: just in, four people are hurt in an explosion at a chemical plant in texas. it happened a short time ago in pasadena just outside houston. all of the victims were taken to local hospitals, one was airlifted. pasadena police say there is no danger to the surrounding area. no word yet on what caused that explosion. jenna: many questions remain as police search for a motive in the deadly shooting at an oregon community college. neighbors are describing the 26-year-old shooter as an unfriendly person who would sit often by himself in the dark, that was one take. he was reportedly very close to his mother, and neighbors say she would protect him from annoy minneapoliss that included -- annoyances that included loud children or barking dogs. joining us now is fred tee see and arthur aidala. our job is hard right now,

because we're looking for answers and reasons, and sometimes in these stories there really isn't. i do want to ask a little bit about the mother, fred, because according to reports when they lived in l.a. in this apartment complex, they would be seen -- the mother and the son -- coming and going carrying boxes that looked like they were holding weapons. what does that tell you legally, is she responsible in some way here? >> i mean, look, we're looking to cast blame, and that's natural at this point. and i'm not looking to cast blame where blame isn't there. under our system of justice if you act recklessly, in such a way that causes harm to another person, that under our criminal justice system, you can be held accountable for that. so if this woman -- and i don't know that she was -- jenna: sure. >> if she was aware that he had mental issues, that he had guns or aided or abetted or got him a weapon under or our system of justice, you can do that. in philadelphia right now we're trying a guy because a building collapsed and killed three people. we hold people accountable under certain circumstances. i don't know if this is one, but

it may be. jenna: and we don't know. quite frankly, arthur, we don't know how he obtained the weapons. how key is that the story? >> i think it's crucial. obviously, with the president of the united states making a statement yesterday about gun control, it brings this whole story to light. i will tell you, i heard bill o'reilly last night, and he said something about people who want to have guns and go through the process should be able to do so. but people who have guns illegally, what bill said was a mandatory ten years in jail. i will tell you mayor bloomberg here in new york city five years ago said -- same policy, mandatory two years in jail. and it was enforced. jenna: did it work? >> yes. obviously, it worked. crime went down. was it just because of that? no, it was a lot of things. plaxico burress won the super bowl, and six months later was found with an illegal gun, a superstar in new york -- jenna: i interviewed him right before he went into prison because it was such an astonishing case. he was carrying a weapon that discharged --

>> he got injured. jenna: he did, and that brings up questions, fred, when we're talking about laws, whether or not the laws actually already exist in the appropriate manner to police gun control. >> they do, jenna. i was a federal prosecutor under title 18 of the united states code, if you used a gun in connection of a violent felony, it was a conditional five years, had to run concurrently. that law's on the books. if you're a convicted felon, you're not allowed to possess a firearm. if you're an illegal alien, believe it or not, you're not allowed to possess a firearm. and if you have been committed against your will -- they're all on the books. and we keep passing these i las. when i -- these laws. when i moved to new jersey, what i had to go through to obtain a firearm, it was amazing. it was frustrating as all get out. jenna: you've had experience in different states and different counties and different cities. you know, there is this conversation about changing gun laws, but what exactly does that mean when there are different laws depending on what city you

live in, county -- >> a lot of it has to do with enforcement. in new york city, people would -- there was an assembly line, basically, going down to virginia or going down to another state. they would go down with a shopping list and buy eight or ten guns and then smuggle them into new york city so they were 100% illegal in new york city even though originally when they were purchased -- what needs to happen is the gun shop owner in virginia or whatever, there needs to be some checks and balances there. why are you coming in and buying eight guns? where are you going? >> common sense. jenna: would that change a state law? would that change -- again, the conversation about congress needs to do more. the president, we're going to hear from him later on today. in order to do that, what exactly needs to happen? >> well, first of all, i mean, we could -- in my opinion based upon allows, i think more laws aren't going to solve this problem. i'm sorry, they just aren't -- >> but enforcement of the laws -- >> i agree with that. two, i'm sorry, every time this

happens, no one takes the time to talk about the mental health issues that underlie every one of these. it always seems to me that the expedient, quick thing to do is pass more gun laws. jenna: but that brings up a legal question, arthur, quickly, about mental health. about whether or not you can ask the questions you need to ask of someone -- >> i think, my, arthur aidala's opinion is if you're going to give someone a deadly weapon, you can ask any question. >> i agree with that. >> this isn't about getting a job in a butcher shop or a deli, this is about carrying a deadly weapon. yes, i could ask -- look, before someone takes a plea in criminal court, they're asked have you ever been treated for mental disease or any kind of mental illness? do you know what's going on here right now? you definitely should have the right to ask those questions and do a background check before you give someone a deadly weapon. jenna: that's the illegal purchasing of the weapon, for a lot of crimes you were mentioning -- >> but i had to go through that to get a gun in new jersey. those laws are on the books, and

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