kansas, scale that 14.4 pounds, 32 inches long. i had an eight pound baby, a nine pound and 10 pound and okay, i'm out. 14 pounds, have a great day everybody. bye-bye. jon: we begin with a fox news alert. we are waiting doing events on both sides of the political aisle. first a key white house meeting set up for bernie sanders, sitting down moments from now with president obama as democrats look to close out the primary season and unify their party behind their standardbearer, hillary clinton. donald trump is also meeting with top gop fundraisers, looking to map out his general election strategy. welcome to the first hour of "happening now". today, i'm jon scott. heather: and i'm heather childers in for jenna lee. lots of meetings going on the one we love to be a fly on the wall? heather: yes i would. sources say president obama

will not ask senator sanders in his campaign. the senator has earned the right to make his own decision on that, still sources say the president's endorsement of secretary clinton is imminent. jon: garrett penny live white house for us with the latest there. derek's? reporter: heather and john, good morning. bernie sanders spent last night home in vermont and flew down this morning, got here a little early so we are told on his way to the white house he stopped to get coffee but he is expected to show up here any minute now. at today's meeting there is a lot riding on it, for both hillary sanders and the democratic party as a whole so for weeks now president obama has been itching to fully hit the campaign trail but as you mentioned, he is not expected to pressure sanders to drop out of the race today. instead we are told the president is expected to praise sanders for his success and expressed appreciation for the progressive agenda he's run on, much like the president did in his appearance on the

tonight show which airs tonight when he said the democratic primary has actually been a good thing for the party. >> i thought that bernie sanders brought in norma's energy and new ideas and he pushed the party and challenged them. i thought it made hillary a better candidate. reporter: fox news is also learned on potential issue sanders may raise in today's meeting is the status of democratic party chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz. it's no secret that sanders is not a fan and theyhave clashed over the last couple of months . democratic sources tell us sanders may ask that he be fired in exchange for his support of hillary clinton. again, today's meeting is close to the press so we won't know exactly what those discussions entail until afterwards when we are told there is a likelihood that bernie sanders will be

speaking to the press outside the white house. john? jon: derek kenny there at the white house. as president obama and bernie sanders sit down at the white house for a private one on one meeting, what might the vermont senator want in return for ending his campaign and helping to get his passionate supporters lined up behind hillary clinton? let's talk about it with joe pepe, former howard dean campaign manager, karl rove is also with us, former senior advisor to staff president george w bush, both are fox news contributors. joe, do you have any inside sources telling you what the president is going to say to bernie sanders? >> i don't think he's going to say muchdifferent than what we just saw him say . look, i think joe biden telegraphed this a few days ago when he said that bernie sanders, we should give bernie sanders the room to make his own decision about this. the president made it clear that he's going to support hillary clinton and wants to get out there so i think he will make that clear to bernie but again, i agree

with the president. he's been good for the party to have the energy and the debate that we had and it did make hillary clinton a better candidate. jon: carl from the conservative, from the republican point of view, what should the president say? >> i thought the reporting that we've heard so far is pretty smart. it's going to be to listen, this meeting after all was asked for my bernie sanders and to encourage him but not press him . he's got to come to this decision on his own. what's interesting to me is what is the mindset of bernie sanders? i used to think the question is what does bernie want? that may still be the question. what is the thing he wants that he thinks he can get that he's going to raise to the president and raise with the clinton people but the other is, there might be a different approach. his mindset might be what can i ask for that they won't give me? can i ask for a platform that is not just to hillary

clinton and president obama that they won't give me the $15 national minimum wage , and fracking, jailing wall street bankers and so forth. the idea being if they can't give it to him then when he goes to the convention and it turns out he's alive this progressive left democratic socialist movement because he asked for things they didn't get. get rid of the superdelegates, get rid of debbie wasserman-schultz. think they might not be willing to give him in order to bring them into the fold and thereby he will endorse hillary, he will work hard to defeat donald trump but he will have points of agreement that will help keep together his movement for the future to drag the democratic party further left. jon: when the center arrived back in his own state of vermont yesterday joe, he did not seem to be toopleased that the media is still falling, watch this . >>. jon: is he getting a little tired of this campaign thing? >> know, i think he wanted to go back to vermont and take some time to think about where he wants to go with

this and he's got the dc primary coming up on the 15th and the convention but look, i think the one thing that's going on that democrats have going for them as carl will tell you, i think you'll agree, it's a lot easier to bring a party together when you have a president whose popular within his party. this meeting today, barack obama is popular within the democratic party. he's going to be important to bring the party together. there's no force like that in the republican party right now. they don't have a president, somebody really is the leader of the party and popular who can pull the whole party together and rally them around trump so i think this meeting today is very important because of the position that it puts obama in, particularly the parts of the obama coalition,

millennial's and others that bernie sanders was able to energize and to turn out in this primary . jon: but it's also true, carl, that bernie sanders is running as a democrat but he's not a democrat. he's democratic socialist so what does a lecture from the top of the party do for him? >> that's why the president has got to be careful. you're absolutely right. think about this. bernie sanders has been in elected office for 30 something years. ran for governor, ran and got elected to the u.s. house, ran and got elected to the us in his third term out and he has never run as a democrat. this will be the first democratic convention state, local or national that he's ever attended. he's always run for office as an independent, being defeated by a defeating a democrat so he doesn't really care about the party long-term in the way that somebody who's been part of his work and we for the last 30 years.he wants the democratic party to be an instrument to transform the country and in order to achieve that he needs to

transform the democratic party. that's why the president was smart. the president can play a big role in this but right now a light touch is going to be better than heavy trucks. heavy touches going to make bernie get stiffness in his spine and make them more resentful and that could lead to dangerous anxiety convention. remember, the sanders people have gotten permits for all four days of the convention for the park right across the street from the convention center and it holds 30,000 people. can you imagine an angry bernie sanders with a bunch of his lunatics on the platform committee demanding things that the democratic party can't give him and 30,000 people outside demonstrating?it could get ugly when they get to philadelphia if theymiss handle this in the next couple of weeks . jon: but joe, as you well know there are a lot of bernie sanders orders who potentially could more into donald trump supporters. there are people who want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. they want to shake up the system. so is it possible that if the president leans too hard on sanders that perhaps some of those sanders supporters to go to somebody other than

hillary clinton, namely donald trump? >> i think these parts of the bernie constituency will be saying that but just like when hillary clinton was challenging obama, there were 47 percent of her supporters and they wouldn't support obama, it turned out that the convention wasn't fractured and everybody rallied and unified with hillary clinton making the proclamation by acclamation. we could still go down that path. carl is right. the president saw that is a much better approach but i don't think were going to see the kind of divisiveness that many are projecting on the democratic convention. a lot of people said that about 2008, it didn't happen . >> there was a reason why it didn't happen.

that was a clash of personalities. this is a clash of ideologies. bernie sanders is a democratic socialist whose goal is to transform the democratic party by making it a far left political party. is not going to be content as she was in 2008 to say i'm going to endorse the incumbent and the nominee and maybe something good will happen. he doesn't care about those kinds of things the one we will see. fascinating year in politics as you guys well know. joe trinity and karl rove, thank you both did we also want to hear from you. do you think bernie sanders meeting with president obama today can unite the democratic party? our live chat is up and running. go to foxnews.com/happeningnow and join the conversation. heather: overseas now to israel where there is new fallout from that deadly terror attack in the heart of tel aviv. look at this surveillance video. it shows the palestinian government opening fire at a popular open air market, killing four israelis, wounding at least five more people and now israel is suspending permits for thousands of palestinians set to visit israel during the muslim holy month of ramadan as it beats up police patrols.

life for us in tel aviv with moore, connor? >> heather, israel suspending permits for 83,000 palestinians hoping to visit jerusalem during the month of ramadan. those are the first of several steps the israelis are taking in response to last night attack in tel aviv . israel also pointing to more military battalions to the west bank including special operations and they rated the houses of the family of the two attackers. israel has identified the two attackers as old neil and mohammed . they are from a small village outside heather on. it's actually fairly sizable for the palestinian west bank but it's considered a suburb of habre.it's in the palestinian west bank but according to the father who left yesterday morning about 9 am, one of the fathers and their son was dressed in a suit which was odd because he's never seen him wear a suit before. they ended up here in tel aviv about 9 pm. he sat down at the

restaurant, ordered food and then about 9:30 or so they opened fire, killing four people, wounding at least eight others. they then tried to flee the area, one of them was shot we believe by either an off-duty security or a civilian that had a sidearm. both men are now in custody. it's not clear how they got here, who may have helped them but it does appear that probably received some type of help . hamas today congratulated the two attackers for the attack but denied any involvement in theactual attack . while the palestinian president mahmoud of god rejected it in a statement, calling on both sides to protect innocent civilians in the ongoing conflict, heather, the sort of question now is what happens next question mark we've seen an increase in violence throughout the entire fall by a lot of these lone wolf attacks.

there were car attacks, knives, the question now is that we see a ramp-up of the violence? this is a different attack that involves an automatic weapon.were not sure what happens next and what a lot of people are.here is an escalation. hopefully that's not something we will see here, heather. heather: remarkably that market already reopened and by all accounts looks very crowded. connor life for us, thank you. jon: some key testimony at the pretrial hearing for a woman accused of killing her fiancc while they were on a kayaking trip. an investigator says he noticed about angelica graveled days after her fiancc died. also, the stunning admission he says she made. plus, here brought turner's excuse or maybe an explanation in his letter to the judge who sentenced him to six months in jail for raping an unconscious woman. and the fallout from that sentence after my

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jon: now some crime stories we are following. a pretrial hearing in the kayak murder case continues today in new york. after civil testimony from a police investigator who says angelika graswald admitted to another investigator that she pulled the plug on her fiancc's kayak. a houston man gets life in prison after his night drunk driving conviction with a judge calling him a habitual offender who already served for other prison terms for alcohol-related convictions. and a major marijuana bust as border protection officers stop a smuggling attempt in calexico california. when they discovered more than a ton of pot in a field in the roof of a commercial trailer.

heather: the former stanford swimmer convicted of raping an unconscious woman lanes a party culture on campus and risky behavior for his actions. brock turner wrote that in a letter to the judge who sentenced him to six months in jail. that sentence prompting outrage on social media and beyond andnow there's a petition to remove that judge from the bench. william has more from us . reporter: turner, his father and influential supporters blame everyone but brock turner for sexually assaulting that unconscious woman year ago. coming from a small town in ohio, i never really experienced celebrating or partying that involved alcohol, turner told the judge but prosecutors proved otherwise, showing photos of turner smoking a pipe and a bond and drinking out of a liquor bottle before college.

text messages from his phone, turner buying weed, lsd and other hard drugs and trying to hook up with other teenagers while still in high school. yet turner blamed and i'm quoting, the stanford swim team for his behavior which said no limits on partying or drinking and i saw the guy take full advantage of these circumstances while i was shown to do the same area judge aaron persky, also a stanford grad, apparently bought it siding with 39 friends and family who wrote letters supporting turner giving the star swimmer just months in jail instead of the six years requested by the prosecutor. aaron persky said because of alcohol turner was quote, less culpable for ray. outraged some 400 buys and online petition to recall the judge is being criticized for going white on rape cases. 58,000 signatures from local voters for the same recall

ballot. last night on greta, one of the men who stopped turner spoke out very shocking and disturbing. it's something i thought about a lot and has been with me for a long time, not in the same way she will but it's a horrible experience. reporter: students 10 plan to protest the light sentence on sunday. the average sentence for a rape conviction around the united states is 8 to 9 years inprison, not the three months in jail he is likely to serve. california doesn't have a mandatory minimum requirement . heather: we can find that petition online, right? reporter: the online petition you can but the only one that matters is going to be 20 percent of the registered local voters from 2014. back to you. heather: thank you very much. jon: hillary clinton finally shaking off bernie sanders, putting her energy now into trading punches with donald trump. we have five months of that

ahead, larry is here with his crystal ball on voters dissatisfaction with their choices in this presidential election. plus, tragedy at yellowstone. wyatt tourists gruesome death is highlighting a big problem at the national parks. >> that people would even think,you know, with water being 200 to 400 degrees that they should wander off . >>

fox news alerts, the meeting underway at the white house right now. senator bernie sanders still running for president is their meeting with the president. now we know that hillary clinton has clinched the number of delegates she needs for the nomination. will mister obama tell sanders to get out of the

race in the interest of democratic party unity? we don't know. but wouldn't you love to know what they are talking about right now. you see the microphones setup there. we expect bernie sanders will step to those microphones and give us a little review of what the two talked about. we will see . that's coming up on "happening now". heather: this is fox news election headquarters as you know and with hillary clinton shifting her focus to donald trump after shaking off bernie sanders in tuesday primaries, trump has been in general election mode for a while. this week he called the lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer, politics larry sabato writes how neither candidate is getting much love and here's a quote from the largest candidate in modern times, five on the democratic side. the two most unpopular major

party nominees anyone can recall have emerged area and each has an intensive cadre of supporters but most people we've encountered are unhappy with the choice and that's putting it mildly. larry debbie wasserman-schultz is the director of the university of virginia center for politics. thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much. heather: you can probably guess what the first question is. i want you to be a fly on the wall and tell us what are they talking about right now? resident obama, bernie sanders. reportedly their meeting has started. >> of course my first question is, is it really bernie sanders or is it where he gave it to mark we will never know. i'm sure bernie sanders will come out to the microphones but look, according to sources that have been quoted on just about all the networks, the president is not going to ask sanders to withdraw but no doubt will congratulate him on his efforts and try to see what

he wants. i think that's the critical question for hillary clinton because the challenge isn't over. it is still possible that bernie sanders will decide to go to the convention to request a formal vote, and push hard for all of his planks in the platform to influence the selection of the vice president. we don't know these things yet. heather: he's already said in his speech tuesday night that he realizes that the path to victory is quote, steep but he's going to take it all the way to philadelphia. so you think that it's just a matter of continuing to get his word and his agenda out there to the american public or does he really think that he has a possibility of swaying the superdelegates which is what he would have to do to possibly win? >> candidates are usually in an envelope. they are really hermetically sealed and sometimes they are just surrounded by other

supporters and tell them what they want to hear but surely at some level bernie sanders knows the campaign is over. he said it's a steep climb to the nomination, i would say it's a nonexistent climb to the nomination. so he has to adjust to that but you do have to decompress . campaigns are intense. anybody who's ever been in one of these things knows how difficult it is to come down to earth and to exit from headquarters and become a normal person again so imagine how tough it is for the candidates. heather: there's a possibility that maybe he's staying in it because he believes that hillary clinton will be indicted. you think that could be the case? >> it probably wouldn't say that outright but i'm sure it's crossed his mind. he have to not read the newspapers did not think of that one and i'm sure he's got some aid to our saying just hang inthere, maybe suspend yourcampaign, don't ended . that way he can come back to life if needed .

heather: so we referenced hillary clinton. now, switching her attention as much as she can tour the general election and donald trump, you think that donald trump is going to pivot and we are going to see a different donald trump from now on, maybe the one that we heard tuesday evening, a lot of people said he sounded much more presidential. do you think that is the trend for him moving forward? >> he did sound presidential. he was using what some people call a teleprompter, i called it a teleprompter because he doesn't use it very often and he adapted it for his own purposes but you know, he went right back to talking about the same thing. in the end, candidate has to be himself or herself.you do. it's really only, one of the only ways you can survive so if people expect a total transformation, they are going to be terribly disappointed and his supporters will say let trump be trump.

there's an old phrase from the reagan years, let reagan be reagan. often reagan's longest supporters thought that his advisors, his campaign staffers or his people in the white house were changing reagan to something that he was not so no, a dramatic transformationis never going to happen. trump is trump, that's how we got where he is. heather: exactly, that's how we got where he is and just yesterday , i have to tell you this is the truth, i have a doctors appointment and the doctor i spoke with is a huge trump supporter, got in a cab to go home, the cabdriver, huge trump supporter so really his support, it does seem to run the gamut but we don't hear about that a lot. why do you think that is? >> part of it is how this is breaking down socioeconomically. trump is drawing much better then mitt romney did among whites who do not have a ba degree or graduate education degree . who dominates the media?

who do analysts like me tend to talk to? we talk to people who have college degrees or graduate degrees so i think we are missing out on a large population that is very much for trump. i've experienced the same things right here in charlottesville. i go into a little shell station near here for my gas and to get some junk food and everybody in there is for trump including the cops who hang out there on break. heather: i have to wrap you up because i have lots going on, thank you for joining us the one this is videotape from just a couple minutes go, bernie sanders walking, well, next to the president, then he hopes to replace along the colonnade and into the oval office for their meeting. again, this is just a couple minutes ago.the meeting should be underway right now. we expect bernie sanders will step to the microphone after the meeting and talk about what they talked about but we don't absolutely know. anyway, there they go into

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jon: new information on the freddie gray case out of baltimore with the trial beginning today for officer

stever goodson who drove the police then on the day gray suffered a fatal injury while in police custody. the judge who will also decide the case instead of a jury just recently ruled admissible claims thatgrace", i can't breathe . goodson stands accused of second-degree depraved murder which is the most serious charge for any of the six officers accused in conduction with grace that. we will talk about it with a couple of attorneys. joining us now richard st. paul, former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney and eric guster, criminal defense attorney as well. thanks for being here. if the prosecution wants to win a case, it's got to be this case, right? they are 042 so far in the cases they brought against other police officers. if the case against officer goods andtheir strongest westmark . >> it's certainly their toughest but whether or not it's their strongest especially with evidence of i

can't breathe which the judge ruled was hearsay is a poor statement made for the truth of the matter. it certainly makes their job more difficult to say that's the police officer , you don't have his cell phone issue so if the police officer singled out that he would say freddie gray was, he couldn't breathe and despite him not breathing, they never tended to him, they drove the vehicle roughly. you don't have this tough position coming up, you don't have the fact that the police officer was driving the vehicle to cause an injury seriously, that's very different to prove against the police officer. jon: there's so much mystery about why this man died but is it necessarily the fault of the driver of the van in which he was transported? >> the driver of the man is most culpable because that's the person who allegedly him on the rough ride, ignored his pleas for help and with them keeping out of this statement saying that it was hearsay, saying i can't breathe, that's going to be a huge problem for the

prosecution because what the prosecution was to show is that caesar goodson knew that freddie gray was in trouble and he ignored it and not only did he ignore it but he helped them get him in trouble because he took him on a rough ride so it's going to be very different for the prosecution and this is a must win the baltimore das office. >> expense trial, no jury involved. what does that do to the prosecution's attempt to portray this as you know, a cruel police officer? >> when you have a jury of authenticity, you will say the motion is about what happened. in this case, the judge is looking at whether the facts meet the standard of the law and again, it's a high burden to prove that he normally wanted to call it a serious injury of freddie gray. it's very difficult to prove here, especially with this statement. >> and with the jury being outof the picture , their emotions are gone so proving

this to a judge is a very technical case and from the defense side, we want someone we going to pay attention to the technicalities of the case and whether or not this man is guilty or not. >> there's also new information we want to bring viewers on a story we have been closely following on "happening now" for some time. the case of the dead identical twin. where a woman stands accused of deliberately driving her car off a cliff in hawaii in a crash that killed her twin sister. witnesses say the two women were arguing in the car before and accelerated . now the judge just dismiss the murder trial against the surviving twin. eric, appropriate do you think? >> probably so. when you have a witness who says they were both arguing in the car, that indicates there was a tussle and the young lady may have hit the acceleration and didn't stop and that's what their defense is going to be that no onewas going to throw themselves off a cliff including their sister . jon: but what a strange case. you've got wins first of all

and the filing of a murder charge against a driver, is it appropriate for thejudge , for the prosecution to drop the murder charge? >> the two cases are similar, prosecutor ricky takes weight and in freddie gray's case, the prosecutor rushed to charge the police officers. in this case based upon statements from witnesses that they were arguing with each other, and based upon the computers they that the sister never put her brakes on, the deceleration kept going, you can drive with trouble through the prosecution which is that she intentionally wanted to kill her. what about the fact that the sister grabbed the wheel and caused the accident? >> she was in the car herself. she's in the car herself so if i'm trying to kill someone else, i'm not going to be in the car as well. it would be different if you hit the acceleration and

jumped out of the car, then that would be a different case which he was in the car herself and she put herself at risk. >> also how did she know there was a cliff beyond the retaining wall? you have to break through the retaining wall and know there's a cliff. how was she intentionally going to kill them by knowing that as she drove through the retaining wall. >> this wasn't any type of brick. we see rexall a time where people argue or whatever and they don't hit the brakes for whatever reason . jon: we will see especially in the freddie gray case once justice unfolds. >> this is going to be a major case. jon: eric guster, richard st. paul, thank you both. heather: as the general election comes into focus, our next guest just interviewed donald trump. we will ask him what sets you apart from other republicans. >> many people clean their dentures

with toothpaste or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. heather: rangers at yellowstone national park reacting to the gruesome death of a tourist. they say the 23-year-old man strayed from a boardwalk and

fell into a high temperature asset spring and they suspended efforts to find his body because they believe there are no remains left to recover. the rangers say his death is a stark reminder to other visitors to follow park rules. it is the latest incident raising questions about tourist behavior at the national park which includes visitors getting too close to wildlife and injuring dangerous areas of the park. jon: this fox news alert, you are looking at a couple of big meetings underway right now . on the left of your screen, bernie sanders is meeting with president obama inside the white house and on the right, trump tower in new york city donald trump getting together with a bunch of big donors, talking about ways to finance his presidential run on the republican side. if we get some information from either meeting about what transpired we will certainly bring it to you life here on "happening now".

heather: meantime, without a doubt it has been a long, strange road to the republican nomination leaving a lot of people scratching their heads and our next guest has written a new piece, he calls it explaining donald trump. john thomas begins it by saying quote, if there is one explanation for donald trump's success is this. unlike most republicans, he fights back and joining usnow is cal thomas, syndicated columnist and fox news contributor, thank you so much for joining us . >> delighted, heather. heather: that's a bold title, explaining donald trump. for anyone to even attempt to do that is remarkable but what was your largest take awayfrom being able to speak with him? >> the sentence you just quoted . people on the conservative or republican side are tired of sending conservatives to washington and lying down and being a doormat for the likes of harry reid and nancy loc, trying to prove negatives, that they're notracist,

they're not sexist, they're not homophobes . they don't hate muslims and all these other things that has just rendered them in the minds of a lot of voters as spineless. trunk, whatever you may think of him doesn't take that line down. i compare him in some ways to a less artful muhammad ali. he floats like a butterfly and stings like a whole hornets nest, frankly but i think he's changing. i think an indication of a bat is when i asked him about trump university and i said look, nobody really cares about that. nobody cares about whether you're being treated fairly. they care about jobs, the economy and terrorism. he said you're right and you're going to see me for that very soon. he did that monday night, using a teleprompter which was the most substantive she's given so far. heather: you also said he's not going to reference it anymore but the issues that he had in terms of race and things like that, did he comment on that?>> we

talked a little bit about school choice and i'm a strong believer in school choice. i think there are an awful lot of peopleparticularly in minority communities were tracked and failed government schools and do to a very bad future because they can't get out of them . i said george wallace, the former democratic governor of alabama in schoolhouse door to keep african-americans out in the 60s and now a lot of democrats are standing in the schoolhouse door eating a lot of african americans and hispanic children trapped in schools. he said he agreed with that and he was very vague on choice, on education and he would be promoting that as president. i think you're going to see a different donald trump in the weeks ahead. he will still be allowed, he'll still be brash but i think he is going to be more substantive, at least that's my hope. heather: i think it was interesting you ask him his thoughts on religion. what did he say on that? >> you know, he says he has a lot of evangelical support and he does. many people have questioned his background in faith. he's not a regular churchgoer so i decided to ask the kind

of question that jesus asked peter in the vital bible. jesus asked the men who do they say i am and he had a gallup poll response, 20 percent say you are this and 15 percent say you are that and jesus said but who do you say i am? and peter responded that art christ, the son of the living god and i put that to trump and you can read the entire answer in the transcript but it was not exactly the kind of answer that will resonate well with evangelicals, let me put it that way. heather: right now he's meeting with donors here in new york, potential donors. they talk about money at all and needing money moving forward?we didn't talk about money but he has said publicly that he resources to finance presidential campaign in the general election. most people believe it's going to take at least $1 billion. he said he can raise that, we will see. clinton has a huge staff, hundreds of people on herself and in her office in brooklyn. he has a very small staff he's run an insurgent kind of campaign, a totally different kind of campaign that has

gotten him this far as he points out often. i defeated 16 other people which is no small accomplishment. now the general election is something totally different. maybe he will rewrite the rules for that also or maybe there will be any rules anymore. heather: we will see. count thomas, i posted your piece online on my twitter page in case anyone wants to read it, go there. jon: remembering the life and legacy of the greatest. muhammad ali, right now we are moments away from the beginning of a muslim service in which thousands of people have turned out in his hometown to honor the boxing legend. we all live in louisville. >> show me movies with romance.

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>> we'll see you right here in an hour. jon: "outnumbered" begins right now. harris: let's start here with a fox news alert, remembering a boxing legend loved across america and around the globe. a prayer service for muhammad ali getting underway in his hometown of louisville, kentucky. thousands of people expected to attend that. it will be followed by a celebration of life event for ali. celebrities, world dignitaries expected to be there. muhammad ali died of septic shock last friday. the three-time heavyweight champ also fought a long battle with parkinson's disease. he was 74. tomorrow ahead after private service a funeral procession through louisville is planned. watch our live coverage led by our own shepard smith, beginning