immediately pulled over and stopped traffic and the man then crossed safely to the other side. another driver captured video of it and posted to facebook where it's been viewed hundreds of thousands of times and hopefully inspiring others to do same things. >> shepard: 3:00 state department where secretary tillerson has just spoken after the president fired him. the source tells fox news secretary tillerson got the news from president trump's twitter account. an aide says secretary tillerson does not know why he is gone. now that aide is are fired. while president trump says tillerson should not have been surprised. >> rex and i have been talking about this for a long time. we got along actually quite well. but we disagreed on things. >> shepard: the president has now nominated the cia director to replace secretary tillerson and promoting a woman with a controversial past to run the cia. we'll check out all of those moves, explain how they

unfolded, and hear how insiders are reacting. plus, president trump checking out some options for his border wall in this hour. we could see it happen live. so let's get to it. >> now, shepard smith reporting live from the fox news deck. >> shepard: secretary of state rex tillerson says he talked to president trump hours after he got fired. >> i received a call today from the president of the united states a little afternoon time from air force one. and i have also spoken to white house chief of staff kelly to ensure we have clarity as to the days ahead. what is most important is to ensure an orderly and smooth transition during a time that the country continues to face significant policy and national security challenges. >> shepard: secretary tillerson says he will hand over all of his responsibilities at the end of the day and officially step down at the end of this month. a source tells fox news secretary tillerson found

out that he was out of a job in a presidential tweet. the source says the white house chief of staff john kelly called secretary tillerson on friday. told him to keep an eye on president trump's twitter account and then today the president tweeted mike pompeo, director of the cia will become our new secretary of state. he will do a fantastic job. thank you to rex tillerson for his service. gina haspel will become the new director of the cia and first woman so chosen. congratulations to all. hours after that tweet, an under secretary of state said secretary tillerson did not know why the president fired him. senior state department official tells fox news the white house later fired the under secretary, too. more on that in just a moment. president trump told reporters this morning that he has talked to tillerson about leaving for, quote, a long time. the president also said while they don't agree on some foreign policy issues, they get along quite well. >> when you look at the iran

deal, i think it's terrible. i guess he okay. i wanted to either break it or do something. and he felt a little bit differently. so, we were not really thinking the same. >> shepard: and the president said he believes tillerson will be much happier now. as we saw in the tweet, the president says he is nominating the cia director mike pompeo to be the next secretary of state. the deputy cia director gina harpel to be the first woman to head the cia. ahead we will talking to the national security correspondent about why her nomination is already facing such backlash on capitol hill. first rich edson with more from the state department and first to the white house and our chief white house correspondent john roberts. what are you hearing about the president's time line for firing tillerson? >> shep, good afternoon to you. we got a couple competing narratives here. the state department narrative which is the one you articulate add short time ago that secretary of state rex tillerson was blind sight dollars by the news this morning. that he had no idea that the

president was going to fire him but sources at the white house tell me something quite different. they tell me that the chief of staff, john kelly, telephoned tillerson when he was on his trip to africa on friday to say that the president wanted to make a change and that tillerson would be expected to step down. tillerson, during that phone call, we're told, asked that chief of staff john kelly if the president could wait until tillerson got back from the trip before he made the announcement. you don't want to be going to meet with foreign leaders or other dig an dignitaries the president just told the world that you are no longer working for the white house. sources also tell fox news that the president has been wanting to get mike pompeo over to the state department for an awfully long time. you'll remember back in october, there were a lot of rumblings that rex tillerson wouldn't be long for the state department and that pompeo would be moving over. the president this afternoon saying he loves the guy. listen here. >> i respect his intellect. i respect the process that we have all gone through

together. we have a very good relationship. for whatever reason, chemistry, whatever it is why do people get along. i have always right from the beginning from day one i have gotten along well with mike pompeo. and frankly i get along well with rex, too. you know, i wish rex a lot of good things. i think he's going to do -- i think he is going to be very happy. >> the president does spend an awful lot of quality time with mike pompeo as cia director he is over at the white house very frequently giving the president his daily brief on the greater intelligence briefing. the president loves his pedigree. first in his class at west point. served in uranium during the cold war. then he went to harvard law school. he is a businessman. four term congressman from kansas. you know, he checks a lot of boxes there that the president really likes. and here's the reason, shep, why the timing of all of this now. a lot of it had to do with that announcement last thursday when the south koreans came out that kim jong un wanted to meet with the president and the white house said the president would meet with him.

the president wanted to get a new state department team in place for what might be a meeting with kim and then negotiations on ha encore rhea'. no doubt he has been at odds with rex tillerson on that. there is a lot of difficult trade deals and negotiations that the president will be engaged in for the next nine months and he wanted to have somebody very strong and on the same page as him at the state department for all of that. shep? >> shepard: john was listening to the president today as he spoke there on the lawn. and it sounded like what he was saying was i'm not finished making changes, not just yet. >> he tweeted about that last week. he said something about it in the cabinet room as well. he did say out on the lawn is he getting close to getting the cabinet that he wants. suggestion is there is maybe a couple other folks. one of the big people that we talk about here potentially leaving the white house is h.r. mcmaster, the national security advisor. i mean, there have been a lot of rumblings about that

flying around for a long time. i'm told by people close to him that, you know, they are trying to get that fourth star tore him and maybe at the point he gets that fourth star he may choose to leave the white house. we don't know yet and we don't know if this is going to happen within the next month or two certainly we are led to believe it's not. maybe by this time next year we have a different national security advisor maybe by this time next week, shep, you never know. >> shepard: sometimes you check your calendar and sometimes you check your watch. separate matter, the president's personal assistant out with security. separate matter. but interesting. >> yeah. this one is really puzzling johnny, the quarterback for the university of connecticut before he came here to join the white house as the president's quote body man. he would literally be at the president's side on just about every trip. he would be the guy that would bring out the speech and put it on the podium before the president spoke. he suddenly left the white house and was escorted off the property in a great deal of hurry.

in fact, he had to get somebody to bring his jacket out to him. and apparently the white house said that they're going to mail him his personal effects. we don't know what is behind this, shep. we have checked with a lot of folks. some speculation out there that he had some financial problems or was involved in some financial misdealings that precluded him from getting a permanent security pass. we had heard that earlier today. buff then i told he got his permanent security clearance about six weeks ago. i don't know how it could be related to that. definitely a mystery, shep. and we are going to keep shaking the trees to see what falls out. >> shepard: going to work for the campaign is that right? >> yeah, which is another part of this that doesn't add up. after walking out of the white house apparently hired by the trump campaign. if you were under serious investigation for some sort of financial misdealings as has been suggested i don't know why the campaign would hire you. that's why i say it's murky and it's a mystery. >> shepard: john roberts on another busy day at the white house. appreciate it. how is this going over at

the state department? let's go there. our correspondent rich edson works the state department for us. secretary tillerson spoke just a short time ago. >> he did, shep. secretary of state for at least another few more hours. that's when he turns over the reigns to deputy secretary john solomon until the president confirms his replacement. he said in the address here at the state department he had spoken to the president around noon today, about three hours after the president had tweeted all of this out publicly. in that talk, in the briefing room here, the secretary said that there are great people here that prefer and are pushing diplomacy over military action first and they continue to do great work here. and then he officially said his goodbye as secretary of state. >> my commission as secretary of state will terminate at midnight march the 31st. between now and then, i will address a few administrative matters related to my departure and work towards a smooth and/or derly transition for secretary of

state designate mike pompeo. >> some officials here continue to maintain the secretary of state was blind sided this morning. it was not confirm that he would be out as secretary of state until after the president tweeted it this morning. that's the contention of some officials here at the state department. this statement went out shortly thereafter. this is from under secretary steve goldstein he said, quote: the secretary did not speak to the president this morning. did he this afternoon, and is unaware of the reason. he is grateful for the opportunity to serve and still believes strongly that the public service is a noble calling and not to be regretted. shortly thereafter the white house fired under secretary steve goldstein. secretary tillerson took no questions to clear this up. he made his statement and he left the podium here. he did tout some of his accomplishments. he talked about the campaign against north korea to get kim jong un to the negotiating table. strategy in afghanistan and south asia and took one more shot at russia saying if russia does not change its course, that then it is due

for even more isolation in the future, shep. >> shepard: on the time line here, yesterday, the british came forward, including theresa may saying we believe the russians may have, you know, murdered this guy with nerve agent in our country. secretary tillerson spoke out against the russians. the white house given three opportunities to do so refused to criticize the russians and sufdenly rex tillerson is out are those dots to be connected or just to be noticed on a page. >> it could be noticed on a page, shep. if you are to believe the time line on this and the secretary of state knew on friday night he was not going to be secretary of state anymore and even the state department time line that there should have been some inkling there was an issue here with his employment, then maybe the secretary was a little freer in his comments. i will get to what he said last night. he said while traveling back from africa, quote: we are outraged that russia again appears to be engaged in such behavior. russia continues to be irresponsible force of

instability in the world. acting with open disregard for the soncht of other states and the life of their citizens. also, senior state department officials were telling us a couple days ago that the secretary of state and the state department had basically had enough with russia on many fronts. they still wanted to try to work with the russians but they were going to be taking a much more aggressive posture, certainly publicly towards the russians. that's something that we had heard from the state department within this week. and the secretary of state also knocked on russia again today. take a listen. >> much work remains to respond to the troubling behavior and actions on the part of the russian government. russia must assess carefully as to how its actions are in the best interest of the russian people and of the world more broadly. >> we are still waiting for the administration to announce and release the sanctions information. that's expected to be coming soon. though a time line is still now unclear. shep? >> shepard: rich edson at the state department. i said murdered. i pentagon poisoned. my apologies. meet with a reporter who was

with secretary tillerson on this trip to africa just landing this morning as all of this went down. what he says about the mood on board just moments before secretary tillerson' firing. that's coming up from the fox news deck on this tuesday afternoon. it's great to have you in.

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long-terletterman who was on the plane. >> good to see you, shep. >> shepard: you arrive at 4:00 in the morning at joint base andrews, right? and that's how this day begins? >> that's right. we came off of the plane thinking that tillerson had returned from africa trip. nothing really unusual in that he had come back about a day early from that trip. but, he seemed in good spirits on the ride home. there was no indication from either him or from his staff that anything major like this was imminent. he in fact came back and spoke to us on the plane on the way back. rich read a little bit to you about what he said about russia and some other topics. just a few hours after he is wheeled down at andrews air force base we get this shocking news out of the white house, shep. >> shepard: you wonder about this russia matter because the president has said as soon as we get the facts straight and if we agree with them, we will condemn russia or whoever it may be. the americans and the british, it's one thing, isn't it?

i mean. information like that, intelligence like that, it's all one thing. how could we -- that doesn't make sense. >> that's right. it's a very different message than the one tillerson gave on the plane. really just a few hours ago now saying that this clearly came from russia, this poison involved in this spy case. tillerson seemed eager to actually go after russia to describe this as part of a broader pattern of increasing russian aggression. yet at the white house we hear a lot more caution about drawing any conclusions about this incident. it does seem to speak to that rift between tillerson and trump that has been growing over the past few months and really seemed to explode today. >> shepard: the president has said and white house has said we are standing with our ally in the british. i mean, what you say is one thing. what they are doing is really not that, is it? >> well, you're right. and the british really wanted the u.s. to be in lock step. >> shepard: which tillerson was. >> tillerson was. he was very similar his

comments to that of theresa may. if you look at leader to leader, the president vs. the prime minister. you do see a difference in the way the white house is talking about this, that's something that everybody is looking at very closely. >> shepard: how much concern is there about that matter at the state department? >> i think the state department is totally preoccupied with the fact that their secretary was just summarily fired today. they are not as focused on the russia thing as they are about who is this new guy that's going to be coming over from the cia? what just happened and what do we have to expect after a really tumultuous year under tillerson' leadership? >> shepard: you are in touch with a lot of rank and file around there. what do you think of this? trying to work at an organization where sudden bely the leader is out and new one in? is what are they saying? good or bad or mixed? >> mixed because relief because not fans of tillerson not committed to diplomacy, not committed to the state department has traditionally done. a bit of a sigh this guy ask out and move on from a leadership style that a lot

of folks here did not like that. having been said, that's mixed with trapasso addition about pompeo, someone who has not been a diplomat in the past, been very brash talking as head of the cia. and a lot of folks don't exactly know what his style is or whether it will be improvement on the way that tillerson has run the state department. >> shepard: on the heels of all of this, josh, if visuals are your game, these are live pictures. clearly the photographer is walking along now. but this is live pictures from the white house pool and that is the wall prototypes. so the president, as the story goes, this morning, he tweets a firing and the secretary of state is out and we have a new one and then a woman who used to one black jawp sites is running the cias or is going to be and the president goes to see prototypes of the wall. these are different little sections of wall. it's sort of a look at the different kinds of walls and i think at some point we are going to have a show and

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>> shepard: well, there's the president standing along the prototypes of the wall. he has done some hand-shaking and talking to some border patrol folks and spreading some love down there. and hearing about some of these prototypes. right now is he standing next to a piece of wall, which is from caddell construction company in montgomery, alabama. built a second prototype. this design features a wide base that narrows toward the top. pulled out a minute ago. and this is a white house pool, you know, whenever the president goes, they take a pool and the networks rotate. so we don't have our own cameras there. we all share one camera and one producer. so that is sort of how it goes. and there are all these sections of wall. and if you are interested in them, what's the site again? this happens to be the orange county register, a newspaper down there, orange county, california, which has sections of the wall as they are laid out here where the president is.

border fencing or border wall prototypes. and they are all sort of laid out there. the president said look, i'm going to go down there and take a look at them. look at them firsthand. big project, costs lots of money. i'm interested in it. here is the other thing if you are president of the united states and in to something, you want to sell it to the people. this is like my idea. i campaigned on, this some people are for it some people are very much not for it. but i'm for it. i want to do it. i want the money for it i want to put up the wall. of the president said we need it for security. we need it for drugs, we need it for smuggling. we need it, we need it, we need it. so now he has gone to the place where they have these prototypes of the wall in an effort to try to sell the wall. he wants to sell everybody on this idea. the larger the percentages are, the better chance he has to get the funding and on and on and on. there he is along the border talking about the border wall. will the president come talk to us? he very well may. sometimes he does.

right now he is looking at the wall prototypes. and they are pointing them out and showing him things and jonathan hunt, our correspondent, who used to hang out with us here in new york is now california-based. and is there for this. john, i guess there is a little bit of wall for y'all. >> yeah, what the president is doing here today, shep, and he is just a few hundred yards from where we are standing right now is looking at the 8 prototypes of wall. now, four of those are essentially all concrete. four of them are made of a mixture of other materials. all 8 of them, of course, designed to make it as difficult as possible for would-be illegal immigrants to climb over, to go through or, indeed, to tunnel under. now, the president is not supposed to say -- because this is a government procurement process, remember, there are strict rules and regulations. he is not supposed to say publicly and we have not heard him say publicly at this point which of these he prefers.

but he has said previously, in general, and this is supported by many border agents down here on the u.s.-mexico border that transparency -- in other words, a certain ability to see through this wall is important. now, four of those have that modicum of transparency. four of them are pretty much solid concrete. you might presume mat president would lean towards one of those through which border agents can see. they say that is important because they need to know who is on the other side of the wall at any point. whether groups are gathering, et cetera. they say that's an important part of security. so he is looking at all of these now, shep. but, once again, he is being cautioned not to tip the scales publicly at least, of course privately he is free to say whatever he wants about whichever of those 8 he does prefer. publicly he should not be because this is a very strictly regulated government procurement process. shep? >> shepard: i say we watch this process for a while and bring in john bussey from the "wall street journal,"

who he is the associate editor there from the "wall street journal" and fox news share common ownership. we're so glad to have them and all of their reporters and expertise here. you know, we look at this border wall. and we can let the president look and maybe eventually he will talk to us. but the news of the day is at the state department. >> yeah. and as far as the wall is concerned, you know, you are right. he saw this as a campaign promise and now he is underscoring that. but, also, if you have just made news that's controversial in washington, and have you got a dicey election going on in pennsylvania, doesn't southern california seem like a nice change of visuals? >> shepard: always seems nice to me there. i love southern california. >> the news is out of washington. this tillerson firing the question is going to be what role will pompeo play? this is the man who comes in every morning and gives the president his intelligence daily briefing. so he has a relationship with the president. he knows him.

they are synchronized on various topics. he is hawkish on north korea. is he hawkish on iran and the iran sanctions deal. so, he is in line with the president on many things. so the question is going to be a guy who has gotten himself in line with the president. is he going to be somebody to moderate the president's, you know, sometimes impulsive instincts as tillerson. >> shepard: that's not what he wants. >> and as mcmaster was or somebody who mulliphies the president and let him go in a direction and regret later on. conjecture maybe more of the latter because he is the president's pick. >> shepard: you talk to people who are around him about what happened the other night in moon township, pennsylvania. pennsylvania's 18th where they're voting today and they have this big election and we will know later and that's another matter. when the president was there, did he another one of those rallies with which all of russ familiar. you can have your own

opinion also it helped things down there in pennsylvania's 18th. the president loves it. he is said to have told others around him i want more of this. he wants to be free to be himself. he feels like, according to most people around him, that everybody is pulling him back, trying to make him do something else. he wants to do it his way. he wants to be not figuratively speaking his own head of communications, his own get it done kind of guy. seems like that's the direction is he heading since moon township the other night. >> doesn't like being told what to do. tillerson was in a camp that sometimes diverted from the president's instincts on foreign policy. the next position to watch is mcmaster, the national security advisor to the president. hugely important job we know there has been friction there, too. this is another person who is seen as a moderating influence within the white house. a bit of a parental supervision sort of guy who wrote a book called dereliction of duty. what was it about? it was about his assessment that the chairman of the

joint chiefs of staff and the other members of the joint jesus failed to step up and stand up to linden johnson and the white house during vietnam. tell the president the way that it really was. get the president to change his policy. a man who wrote a book saying the people around the president need to stand up to the president. is now the next guy apparently on the firing line. >> shepard: is he very hawkish towards iran and hawkish towards north korea. if you tear up the iran agreement which the president says he wants to do. what's next? there are no more sanctions or agreement. is there some sort of military confrontation? if the two leaders in north korea and united states get together and have a meeting on north korea, what's left? >> we don't know. we don't know. and we also don't know about a very important relationship that's been at the center of a lot of suspicion. that is the u.s. and russia. a white house that's been soft on russia because of the president not enforcing sanctions that congress passed is pompeo going to be tough, as iraqish on north

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i don't get the opportunity to get ahead of a threat if i can't see it approaching. >> what's the danger of not having the see-through. >> when the steel metal fence behind us, we learned from that back in the 1990s, we went and cut in where we could see on the south side. we found that smugglers were using the fence to hide behind. they were either rocking our agents or require large group of people narcotics and rush across the border quickly. >> if you just have a pure fence, that's a fence, very

sturdy fence but coming up i noticed the first thing i noticed look how many holes are in that fence. they fixed the holes but it doesn't look very good. they fach with more fence. you take a look at the fence and it's very powerful fence, not doing the trick because they cut holes in it and then they are patching holes all the time. i'm just looking have you hundreds of holes cut in and patched, so the fence is not strong enough, it's not the right idea. but, for those people, if you don't have a wall system, we're not going to have a country. there is a lot of problems in mexico. they have a lot of problems over there. and they have the cartels and the cartels we are fighting the cartels and we are fighting them hard. nobody ever fought them like we fought them. we fight them hard. but, the fact is, if you don't have a wall system, it would be bedlam, i imagine. >> it's very hard to control the combination of all of the above. >> s so we are looking at the walls that really have some see-through capability. if you don't have some see

through it's a problem. so we will take a look up here. >> shepard: there you go. the president speaking with folks on the ground there and our jonathan hunt is watching along. you know, he is in to this. he has been in to this. he campaigned on this. he says he wants it he says he wants the money. he says he wants the prototypes and trying to sell it. that all makes sense. >> shep, having some issues with hearing you here. but you heard the president there saying well, we were reporting just before he stepped to the microphones and started talking there that he clearly favors a wall with a degree of transparency talking about how important he feels it is and that coming also from border agents here on the u.s./mexico border. for them to be able to see through and see what is on the other side. he said that they have technology that can help them with that but they like to be able to have a

physical view. now, when you look at these eight prototypes that are there, shep, a department of homeland security tells us they expect a mall gam of all of those 8 to actually be used in any future building of the wall. it probably almost certainly in fact will not be one beginning sell design. it will be a combination if you like of many of the 8 that the president is looking at there. also, the president, while he is not publicly saying which of these single ones he prefers, he is talking about the transparency but obviously he has the ability to weigh in privately. he has the ability to call the companies involved, for instance, and get them to lower their bids. he has, of course, always described himself as the world's greatest negotiator. so you can expect him, perhaps, to weigh in on the cost factor here, which generally speaking is being put at around 18 to 20 billion, although there are wildly varying estimates in the final costs of

whatever is built very much up in the air at the moment, shep. >> shepard: jonathan, let's see if we can hear the president. >> ship shep they are a little bit far from the microphones. if we can hear the president. they have allow the cameras to listen in. if it's possible then we will. he clearly wanted to talk to the people a few minutes ago. you know, jonathan, he has always been a master of the narrative. and the day begins with a changing of the guards, firing of one man, bringing in of another. controversial pick to run the cia and now, you know, you show up in san diego prototypes of the wall and you get control of the narrative back. it's genius shomanship, no doubting. >> shep, this obviously has been in the works. the planning of this trip for some time. and if you look here, i

don't know if you can put up the live pictures of the president and the pictures from our shot here, but this is why this has had to be very well planned for some time. you can see just how many law enforcement officers are out here. we have on the left of the screen appropriately enough, as you see here, the anti-trump protesters. screen right we have the pro-trump group. i have to say that we expected perhaps a lot more than we have seen here on both sides and at the moment they are pretty much outnumbered by the law enforcement personnel who are here. but this is why this has been quite some time in the planning. so, obviously, they could have at the same time that they were planning this trip have planned to announce the change in the secretary of state. but it seems more likely that that was a coincidence. but, of course, you are absolutely right, president trump is indeed a master of the narrative answered certainly will not be too

concerned that these pictures now, that this story now is taking over the news of the day, shep. >> shepard: whether the plan or not, the effect is there. jeff mason is with us. white house correspondent for the reuters news agency. what comes of this, jeff? is this -- when are decisions made on this? do we know? >> decisions on the wall? >> shepard: yeah. >> yeah, i don't know the time line for that. what i do think is interesting and connected in a way to the tillerson story today is this is a sign that president trump is really focusing on those campaign promises that he made in 2016. and by going out to california for the first time, taking a look at these pieces of wall, speaking to reporters as he just did now and generally putting focus on the issue, he is showing, look, i promised i would do this, we are working on it, we may still be fen nailing the funding but this is on my radar. >> shepard: the way it all

fits together to me is interesting and will be something for the historians later. just after the president had made these comments about african nations and haiti, we all remember what those were. the secretary of state was then sort of on a tour of africa nations and, you know, bringing together alliances that are important in the grand scheme of things. and then as he comes back, the differences between him and the president's white house regarding russia and otherwise sort of come into focus and then he is gone. >> yeah, absolutely. and it seems to be the case that president trump, despite saying he likes to hear differing opinions and have different views come up in his meetings and come up in his circle of his advisors, leaning towards having more loyalists around him. tillerson was not a loyalist. gary cohn's leaving not a loyalist. people looking at bringing in certainly now for secretary of state mike

pompeo has been announced and the candidates that he is looking at for economic advisor are more in that trend of being loyalists, people who are sort of in sync with what the president wants. >> shepard: you heard you describe it he doesn't like to be told what to do. can you go there and explain what the differences are now. i think that may be interesting to our audience. >> what has changed now. >> shepard: excuse me. jeff, i'm sorry. we can hear again. let's listen. we will get back to you. >> this is what it was in the 1990s. it was an open wound, frankly. it was really really bad. people just pouring across, drugs, everything else pouring across. now you have a much bigger worldwide drug problem. we have a lousy wall over here now. but at least it stops 90, 95%. when we put up the real wall, we will stop 99%. maybe more than that, but this is what it is now with

a not very good wall. but here it is before and the people just pouring across. >> this is one of the triple fences, wall here, ballers, again it's outdated materials but it proved the concept. sir, the economic driver of this outlet mall that was built after we reestablished law and order in san diego sector and right behind that over 500 brand new homes where people have felt so safe near the border they have moved back. in that's only because the u.s. border patrol reestablished law and/or. >> so they reestablished law and order in san diego when they put up a wall. and it's not a superior wall. it's inferior wall but it's a wall. and you actually used the term reestablished law and order. >> yes, sir. >> you hear it, folks. say what you want, this is life. these are the facts of life. that's incredible. that's incredible. and a part of san diego needs a wall. they want a wall very does

desperately. approve the whole wall, california. we are not going to do you little piece that's want. approve the whole wall. you know the section i'm talking about. okay, folks. thank you. you get it? >> excuse me? >> we are looking very much at the wall with some see through capability on the other side and solid concrete on top or steel and concrete on top. the round piece that you see up here or you see more clearly back there, the larger it is, the better it is because it's very hard to get over the top. it's really deterrent from getting over the top. who would think, who would think? getting over the top is easy. these are like professional mountain climbers. they are incredible climbers. they can't climb some of these walls. some of them they can. those are the walls we are not using. so we have determined that you guys have done a fantastic job. we have determined what to do. when we build we are not like saying oh, gee, i wish

we did it a different way. if you didn't have it, you would have tremendous problem. and even the walls they they have now they are not holding up. and they are small but they are really great compared to what they had before. stopped about 95%. >> can i just point out? we are showing pictures of the united states, of course, too. but there has been equal benefit tijuana to mexico that you don't have all that activity happening out on the south side of the fence either. it's eu78 proved the border on both sides. not just ours. >> okay, folks? pretty obvious. >> criticism from governor brown that some of this money might be better spent. >> i think governor brown has done a very poor job running california. they have some of the highest taxes in the united states. place is totally out of control. sanctuary cities where have you criminals living in the sanctuary cities and then the mayor of oakland and goes out and notifies when ice is going in to pick them up. many of them were criminals with criminal records and very dangerous people. you would say dangerous people. and i think the governor is

doing a terrible job running the state of california. you know, hey, i have property in california, i will say. i don't think too much about my property anymore. but i have great property in california. the taxes are way, way out of whack. and people are going to start to move pretty soon. if you don't have safety, meaning if you don't have this kind of wall, the drugs are pouring through in california, can't do it. so, the governor of california, nice guy, i think he is a nice guy. i knew him a long time ago. has not done the job. the taxes are double and triple what they should be. everybody that lives in california they know it thank you very much, everybody. >> thank you. to your left, everyone. to your left. >> shepard: jeff mason from reuters, again, he is hitting all the points. his campaign promises are all coming back around. >> yeah, they sure are. they really are. and that's one reason why i said earlier the fact that

it's true that you have got some competing white house and president trump stories today. you have got the tillerson departure and you have got this trip that you are just showing the video of right now. they ever connected. they are connected because it's showing the president in many ways returning to the campaign mode that we saw at the rally that he did just on saturday. and really focusing in on those issues that he cares about. border security in particular and having somebody at the helm in terms of foreign policy who will go ahead and do the things that president trump wants to do. >> shepard: let's get to blake burman fox business network correspondent who is live at the white house, covers the white house for them and occasionally for us. an old friend of mine. i wonder if the thinking there blake that there is going to be big change inside this white house, the way things run or is this a sign of things to come about the way the president operates? >> look, i mean, the president talked about this in one of his joint news conferences earlier this month saying that there would be more change down the line and then a couple

hours later it was announced last tuesday, i believe that gary cohn was out the head of basically the president's top economic advisor. it was thought maybe at the time that the president was referencing cohen's departure and then today the sudden tweet drop. that the secretary of state rex tillerson is leaving. there, of course, have been many whispers about the potential status of h.r. mcmaster, the national security advisor as well. when you talk about departures and changes, shepard. >> one thing to consider here is at least with gary cohn they still have to name a replacement. i am told that the frontrunner at this point is larry kudlow. somebody who advised the president during the campaign with a part of his tax plan during the campaign, one-time tv personality as well. the president glowed about him on the south lawn before they went to california. also hope hicks the communications director who announced that she was

leaving the week before cohen announced he was leaving. they have to fill her post, too. not just the sudden departure of rex tillerson, the confirmation that needs to take place for mike pompeo, the confirmation process that needs to take place for pompeo's successor as well. they also have to name two high profile positions the replacement for hicks and for cohn as well. >> shepard: palace intrigue aside, north korea, what happens if there is a very high level kim jong un and president trump meeting and say it doesn't go well, what happens then? and, also, on the iran deal, you wonder if some of these changes will have effects on those things? >> well, the white house signaled to us earlier today that one of the reasons why the timing took place now for rex tillerson's departure and mike pompeo moving over is because they want this team in place before the north korean negotiations officially -- i don't want to say officially

start but as we start to head toward that point. keep in mind a date hasn't been set, a dat a place hasn't been set. as it relate to iran, the president said loud and clear this morning that he has a much different view than rex tillerson on this issue. mike pompeo was somebody that he is on the same wavelength with, as i believe the exact phrase that he used. so when you look forward going on crucial key international issues, there is still a lot on the plate left for this administration in the very near future here, shep. >> shepard: there are a couple more things. we have to take a quick commercial break. can you hang out for a minute, blake. >> of course. >> shepard: we will go back to blake burman at the white house and the president live at the border wall prototype. as the news continues on this tuesday afternoon. never know what's going to happen. intrigue at the white house. stay with us.hi ♪ we have accident forgiveness.

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together we'll make the right choice. >> shepard: live pictures coming to us from the san diego area right along the border. this is the white house pool camera and i have been speaking with blake burman, who is the white house correspondent for the fox business network and helped with us. you know, you can complain or have whatever position you want on the changes that the president has made but he is the president. he campaigned on a border wall. he campaigned on trump being trump. he wanted to be his own messenger. it looks like he is putting himself in a position to do all of those things. so he is. you wonder if he won't be a happier guy as a result are. >> i mean, look at what is going on right there in california right now. as you mentioned, shepard, this is something that he has talked about for two years. of course, the message has evolved a little bit. it was we are going to build a wall and who is going to pay for it? mexico. that's what we heard all along the campaign. he doesn't necessarily say that at this point.

it's going to come out in the wash with nafta negotiations. what you are looking at live right now the president going down there to san diego, looking at the prototypes, what he wants built. this is what he has talked about for two years. and now he is there. he is looking at it in person. and presumably will give a thumbs up to one of those things here in the near future. >> shepard: blake, you are the man. blake burman for the fox business network. i want to talk about another matter remember mike pompeo leaves cia to be the secretary of state. coming in for pompeo is a woman named gina haspel. she is a veteran officer. and to cut right to the chase, she used to run black ops sites, she was running the places where they tortured people. we have come a long way since those days during the campaign the president was asked would you waterboard again and he said and he said, quote, you bet your

ass i would. jennifer griffin, tell us more about what you know, jen. >> can i tell you members of the intelligence community, senior members of the paramilitary community that work alongside the cia, they are welcoming this decision. and i can tell you that i have spofn to people close to defense secretary mattis. and he is very fond of gina haspel. she has a very good reputation within the intelligence community. you have mentioned, of course, that she has been a member of the ops community for 33 years. she rose to the deputy head of the national clandestine service. those are jobs that are usually kept in the dark. she has been hunting terrorists most of her life. and there was that moment in 2002 where there were these black sites she oversaw one of them in thailand known at cat's eye. that's where abu zaid da, one of al qaeda's top leaders was tortured. waterboarded 83 times there

are people who are very supportive of this decision by the president. shepard? >> shepard: lots to learn in the days ahead. jennifer, we will rely on you. thank you all for being with us. as the news develops this afternoon. your world with neil cavuto is up after a commercial break on fox news channel. ♪ >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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>> shepard: the president of the united states is speaking live along the border. let's listen. >> and the incredible border patrol allegation. officers who are doing an amazing job. ice agents and officers. i know so many of you. every day criminals and terrorists try to infiltrate our country. you got a good glimpse of it before. we did it together with the media, frankly i didn't know we were going to be doing that have you got really a

far better glimpse than you are going to get right now. the border wall is truly our first line of defense. and it's probably, if you think about it, our first and last other than the great ice agents and other people moving people out. it will save thousands and thousands of lives, save taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars by reducing crime, drug flow, welfare fraud and burdens on schools and hospitals. you all will save hundreds of billions of dollars, many, many times what it's going to cost. we must also close the deadly loopholes exploited by smugglers and traffickers and we are in that area where in one of many areas along the border where we have that problem. and we have to confront the dangerous sanctuary cities which have you been all hearing so much about. california's sanctuary policies put the entire nation at risk. they're the best friend of