the water, blah, blah. still people are appearance 85 today. and i wonder if sandra will wear a fascinator? why not? >> neil: lawyers coming and going at the white house. the president apparently open to talking to robert mueller. oh, yeah, federal reserve report that scared investors because the federal reserve is noting that inflation is back. not really much though. we'll get to that in a second. the rumblings as they were occurring and the marketing are responding to developments at the white house including a new legal team, openness to getting a chat going with bob mueller. john roberts following it all at the white house. john. >> changes, neil.

let's get you updated. talked to rudy guliani at length on the telephone. he's the president's lead outside counsel. they still have not decided whether the president will sit down for an interview with the special counsel, robert mueller. guliani told me one thing, it won't be to sit there for hours and hours, maybe 10 or 12 hours answering 49 or 52 questions that mueller wants to ask. listen to what guliani told me a short time ago. >> my position is not determined yet. i keep an open mind. we've had a very good interchange with the special counsel. i did work there many years. i respect them. and what i'm concerned about, are they objective about the president's interview. meaning do they have an open mind to the fact that he could be telling the truth and comey could be lying. if they have an open mind of that, then this is something we would consider.

if they don't, given all of the irregularities in this investigation, we would be foolish to have him be interviewed. >> guliani saying if the president were to sit down with robert mueller, it would be for two to three hours. the fear is based on the 49 questions, the special counsel's office

changes in the president's legal time. ty cobb, the inside counsel here at the white house is out. emmet flood will be coming in at the beginning of june or so. that's flood there. you saw ty cobb a seconds ago. sarah huckabee sanders with a statement. emmet flood will represent the president and the administration against the russia witch hunt. ty cobb will be retiring at the end of the month. he's done a terrific job. emmet flood does have an amazing pedigree here in washington d.c. he's a partner in williams and connelly. he clerked for justice antonin scalia. he was president clinton's impeachment later.

one of the team. he represented dick cheney lawsuit. he was in the white house office during the bush administration. very familiar here were the washington landscape. the president excited to have him on board. >> neil: thank you very much, john roberts. what does this mean, including the latest change in the legal team as well? could this be a sign that things are coming together for an investigation that could soon be end something let's ask tom dupree. what do you think? >> neil, i think we're in the final phase. the president's shakeup says number 1, they might be ready to adopt a more aggressive posture with the special counsel and number 2, means that they might be ready to sit down with the special counsel and negotiate the circumstances under which the president could testify. changes are afoot and we're starting to enter the final phase of this investigation.

>> neil: and emmet was the impeachment attorney for bill clinton. i'm wondering if this is a backstop measure on the administration to consider what they don't want to consider that it gets to that. >> that's possible. i'm sure they're aware of that line on his resume. at the same time, they value flood because he knows how to talk the talk that bob mueller is talking. he knows how to negotiate and defend a defendant in this situation and he's a serious guy. he's a heavy hitter. a big move for the president. >> neil: what about john dowd, the former attorney? he said it would not be a good idea to talk to mueller. many have argued it's a slippery slope. once you go there, it doesn't end there. two to three hours might be a good goal but it's far from a certainty. it would be a mistake what do you think? >> in my view neil, i think it

would be okay to have the president testify provided that there's boundaries and parameters set on the conversation. you would limit it by time. you can't have the president spend a full day testifying. >> neil: could it be two to three hours? >> it could, yes. i do. that's my view. you need to put boundaries around the subject matter. you can't send the president in with a list of 50 topical areas that he would have to be prepared for. i think we say let's get to brass tacks and how can we get you that information efficiently. this is not the time for a fishing expedition. say here's what we need and we'll do you the best to get the information. >> neil: what would be the danger not talk something we talked about the subpoena threat on the part of bob mueller if the president didn't. how realistic is that? >> one danger is it would risk prolonging this whole episode for months if not a year or more.

if mueller ultimately does subpoena the president, that is something that is in all likelihood will get litigated and may respect in a negotiated resolution. it's not the quick road to an end game here. the quick road to an end game is to try to negotiate something with mueller that gives mueller what he needs and enables to wrap this investigation up. i don't think we're doing to see this get litigated up to the supreme court. mueller may be able to subpoena the president but i think they will compromise and reach a deal. >> neil: you think the president was behind this legal shakeup? a rudy guliani event or what? >> i think the president is behind it. the president as we know is constantly assessing his personnel. he wants to make sure he has a team that know what's they're doing and he feels comfortable with, particularly something like this, talking an't the lawyers representing you in the context of the special counsel investigation. the president wants 100% comfortable and familiarity with these people. that's why they're constantly adjusting his team.

>> neil: thanks, tom dupree. >> thank you. >> neil: if you're in the camp that says the president does like to stir things up and he can be volatile, my next guest says it works to his betterment and our country. why geraldo says this shaking up will be shaken out after this. today, 97% of employers agree that skills like teamwork, attention to detail, and customer service are critical to business success. like the ones we teach here, every day. and it's also a story mail aabout people and customer service are critical to business success. and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i'm relentless too. mbc doesn't take a day off, and neither will i.

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and frank about a lot of people including the president of the united states. great to see you. >> thank you. >> neil: at the end of the book, you say of the president, never since nixon has a president had a worse relationship with the press. you go on to say, not the slickest ad libber. everything he says is construed in the most evil way possible. i insist that potus 45 is not wicked. that's news to a lot of the mainstream media. >> he's not. it's so frustrating to me that, you know, base of his flamboyance and his tweeting and some of the other spontaneous and none traditional aspects of his personality, he really is loathed by more than half of the country. >> neil: what is happening with the nastiness that came with it? >> in part, it's a reaction in response to the negativity that

president obama got. now he said you stymied president obama. we're going to crew president trump. some of it comes from that. there's a political correctedness that demands you hue the line. and let's face it, as much as i love him for a friend, he does not back over backwards to placate concerns. he can aggravate people and -- >> neil: it must bug him because he makes note of it. >> he's very sensitive also. he's thin-skinned in many ways. i speak from respect and affection. but it's very clear to me that he responds very negatively to my kind of attack. i hear you talking about his legal team and now -- >> neil: yeah. what do you make of that? >> i think what it signals is that the legal team will now reflect the president's personality through rudy guliani and emmet flood.

they tried to get him a long time before rudy came on board. now rudy now, very little conciliation, very little compromise. now that we've seen mueller's 49 questions, purported questions -- >> neil: who leaked those? >> i wouldn't be surprised if it was someone in trump tower. i wouldn't be surprised. >> neil: why? >> to let everybody know this is war. this is not going away. ty cobb is gone because he wanted to make nice. john dowd is gone. they were more conciliatory. they have a special counsel now hell bent on bringing down this president. these are scary questions. >> neil: why draft a limited number of them? was it a trap? >> i think yes, but -- yes, it is a trap. if he goes and he -- we mentioned how tempestuous he is. what a lousy ad libber he is.

flay buoyant with his rhetoric. for him to sit down all day with those questions that are essay questions and have him -- the way he was on "fox and friends" -- if there's someone that -- unlike our team really wants to hurt him, you can. what do you mean by that? you said you went to the left side and now the right side. didn't you say you had a gray tie on? >> neil: you think mueller wants to entrap him? >> i think the appeal of a perjury trap to a prosecutor is something that they cannot deny themselves. you know, it's so much easier to catch someone like general flynn, for instance, in a lie about something stupid than it is to prove the substantive offense. did the president collude with the russians? probably not.

did johe say x when he later sa y? >> neil: and now the investigations go far afield. >> you never know. whitewater started as a failed real estate deal and ended up with a paula jones deposition and now bill clinton is impeached. you never know with these things. that's why that guliani is on to something. i think the president will ultimately be forced to testify. it's disagree with the doj official that was on prior to me. i think ultimately he will be forced to as richard nixon was forced to turn over the tapes. he didn't testify. he resigned. it was a bad precedent. if the president can answer in writing, that would be great. probably not. let's have a very hard time limit. they do it in civil lawsuits all the time.

all right. it's three hours. you get 20 questions. you don't have to tell me the questions ahead of time. if you did, i could be better prepared to answer. show me your good faith that you don't really want to trick me. you're not looking to trap me. >> neil: good luck on that. >> yeah. >> neil: reading your book. what an amazing life you've had. we've been friends for years. i can remember, especially when you came here, why is he coming here? he has all this money. i realized in the beginning of the book, you didn't have a lot of money. you said to me, roger ailes met you. a bunch of old guys, time to go. >> yeah. 2014. the end is in sight. get over it. >> neil: you said don't get me wrong, i'm well enough off but not compared to other days. but you're still a gazillionare. >> not really. i came here because of 9-11.

as i tell the story in the geraldo show, friends and neighbors of mine were killed. i had rivera live at cnbc at the time. i said i have to go to war. i have to get this sob -- >> neil: this is weird. it wasn't about the money for you. >> i was making $5 million at cnbc. i came to work here for two. because i wanted to go to war. i wanted to pursue this awful monster that inflicted so much pain and suffering. everybody watching right now, their life is worse off because of 9-11. you have to go through tsa, you have to go through the background checks, the patriot act, all of these things and snooping and -- so many things that have happened to us because of 9-11 in a negative way. >> neil: could you have witnessed what you witnessed

here. the anniversary of roger ailes death. two years almost from the allegations that came out and all the big names that have come and gone since then. >> you think of matt lauer, tavis smiley. charlie rose at cbs. now tom brokaw. i don't know if any of these things are true. i don't know if any of the allegations are too. but me too, this movement has made -- >> neil: you think the movement has gone to far? you're right. all news organizations. you were guilty first before they checked it out. >> there was a feeding frenzy. i hope it's tempered somewhat. we have to view everyone as having constitutional protections and due process. the right of rebuttal as tom brokaw did in his extensive response to linda vester's allegations.

>> neil: you think roger ailes was afforded that? >> i think roger was drummed out of the business. in many ways, his legacy was erased. it's as if roger never existed. i have found myself wishing whiskfully that he died a year earlier before this all broke. if he did, he would have a statue on mount rushmore. here he has endowed journalism schools and they have taken his name off. senior citizen centers. >> neil: you write about his brilliance and that. talked about the flaws and so many great people you talked to over the years, worked for over the years. what is it with powerful people? >> i don't know. i can say with total candor that there was nothing of that aspect of roger that i saw. i bet you'd say the same thing. you knew him as well as i did. you have known him longer. there was no predator in roger that i saw. he was a bully, a bar room brawler, a kind of hail --

>> >> neil: we went through it a few times. >> yeah. hannity complained about -- >> neil: and the thing about hannity, what's going on there? >> go figure. we don't agree on anything except we're friends. the same thing with the president. my wife, erika, doesn't like the president's politics. she doesn't like the president. but she's just like every other -- i was on -- >> neil: the access hollywood -- >> i was on andy cohen's show. they all would feel as erika does. my wife and i get along but we debate politics. we never did before. have known him so long and been through so many changes with him that i can divorce his policies that i disagree with from the friendship that i have. i love the guy. i wish him well. we get one president at the time. he succeeds, we succeed.

we fail, he fails. >> neil: and you look at the human being part. we're still human beings. the become is "the geraldo show." it's stunning. i can't share the dirt on everybody. but he shares it's himself from the heart. read it. more after this. >> thank you, neil. so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. when other snacks just can't satisfy. ahh! ♪ your wing nut has you covered. ♪ hi. ♪ introducing planter's crunchers. a nutty crunch inside a flavorful crunch. ♪

>> neil: all right. glen jacobs, aka cane, just body slammed a republican nominee for mayor in knoxville. we called the democratic candidate, linda henny. hope springs eternal that we'll get her. very good to see you. >> thanks. >> neil: i didn't realize that you would be here in the flesh. so i ripped up all of my tough questions here. you're an intimidating guy.

>> i'm trying to project a softer image. >> neil: that's my style. you know, joined at the hip. what made you do this? >> i just want to see my area become an even better place. knox county, tennessee is a great place to live. i want it to be better. i think that -- i can have a small part in doing that. really, it's the motto of my campaign is "together we win." i believe that i can hopefully bring all of us in our community, knox county, together to build an even better place. >> neil: your arms are big enough. you're forcefully -- >> yeah. >> neil: very successful career. you've done very well. 20 plus year in the wwe. you don't need this. you don't need to do this. a lot of grief with being in politics, even at mayor level. >> it's important though. i actually have grandkids. i'm at that age. with all the things that go on

in our country, i sometimes wonder what sort of world they're going to inherit. as you said, i've been able to do very well for myself. you've done well. i wonder if they're going to have those opportunities. so many times we see the things that i believe in, the free enterprise system. individual liberty. really demonized. >> neil: and you supported the mayor in 2008. >> yes. >> neil: what about trump? >> i think trump has done a very good job, especially with the economy. he's cut regulations, the tax cuts helped spur some growth. i'd like to see spending cuts, but hopefully -- >> neil: you're big on limited government. you don't like that. government is out of control. gets out of control. republicans and democrats alike. you do want to improve the infrastructure as doesn't trump. how do you do that?

>> in our case, what just happened in tennessee, they raised the gas tax. there's more money coming in to the state. >> neil: are you for that? >> i was not for that. but it's happened. >> neil: it's going to provide more infrastructure. >> yes. in this case. but often what happens when the government does things like that it doesn't seem to be applied to the projects that they say it's going to be applied for. it's incumbent on elected officials to make sure that if we're going to demand more tax money, we use it in a productive manner instead of saying this is what we're going to use it for and find out it was used for something else an sometimes frivolous. >> you won by 17 votes, the republican until nation for mayor. did the wrestling background -- the buzz is that we had you on. you got more attention when we had presidents. nevertheless, did that help you? >> yes, in many ways it did. it got my foot in the door as a

novelty. you can argue, did it hurt me? i don't think so. i think a lot of the folks that would just judge me as a character i play on tv, they're not going to vote for me anyway. a lot of people think it's cool. like the people here in the studio. >> neil: and you're a very smart guy, a english literature guy. well-read. up on the issues. >> that's the point. especially in a local election, what is great is to get out and talk with people. when they meet me, they realize, he's kane the wrestler. >> neil: can i give you a tip on that? you had a hell of a handshake. how many hands did you break in your county -- >> as i said, i'm soft in my image. it was all good. >> neil: i was thinking of wrestlers. everyone thinks of jesse ventura. you're not going to be satisfied just being mayor. >> that's all i'm concerned with right now. >> neil: i don't believe you.

i do believe -- what did i say? >> yeah, you ripped up your hard questions. but it's a very important job. really the mayor of knox county, he has influence all through the east tennessee region. >> neil: is that right? >> yes. the third biggest county in the state of tennessee and the capitol of east tennessee. you're talking about the lives of millions that are impacted. >> neil: it's not a done deal. you're in the general election in august. >> yes, sir. >> neil: outside the box candidates have been thriving. the president is an example of that. and so many populists, army veterans and war heros, are flooding the political system this year. what do you think is going on? >> people are sick and tired of career politicians. we've seen it at the highest level. a lot of people within the political realm believe that

president trump was an anomaly and i don't think it's true. i think it's going to happen through all levels of government. whether you're on the left or the right, the government doesn't work for you. people are looking for folks that will work for them. >> neil: a lot of republicans are worried about a blue wave this year. are you? >> i'm not, especially in tennessee. i think as republicans, we have to stick by what we believe in. that is physical conservatism and individual freedoms. what happens is when republicans get in positions of power, they forget about that. in many cases they become part of the problem. i'm not worried about a blue wave. i think republicans have to act like republicans and govern like republicans. >> neil: well-put. glenn jacobs, i wouldn't say other ways, kane, he could be the next mayor in knox county, tennessee. we'll watch again. our overtures are out to linda

haney. when you want to come on, you have a welcome seat here. the seat he's in. more after this.

>> shepard: you're looking live at the white house. going to honor the national teacher of the year. very inspirational moment. you look at a teacher that sacrifices everything for their students. wait till you find out about this one after this. before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment,

ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. it can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. xeljanz xr can reduce the symptoms of ra, even without methotrexate. ask your rheumatologist about xeljanz xr. >> neil: all right. a lot of pageant try and a lot

of special things to do when you're president. the national teacher of the year, blake burman is there right now with the latest. hey, blake. >> hi, neil. a nice moment that have here at the white house. the president is expected in a matter of moments to honor the best teachers from all across the country. there will be 50 teachers that are the teacher of the year from within their state, plus the direct of columbia territories as well for the national teacher of the year reception that the teacher is expected to jump into. the teachers deserve it and get a moment in front of the nation really with the president of the united states. this also comes though as there are a handful of headlines as it relates to education issues. in five different states, arizona, colorado, west virginia, oklahoma and kentucky, they have had or continue to have teacher strikes. those teachers protesting for

higher pay and more resources. and the education secretary, betsy devos, she continues to face criticism. the huffington post reports that when devos sat down with the teachers of the year here in d.c., she received push back over here her support for school choice. it became a verbal sparring session between the oklahoma teacher of the year and the education secretary. probably going to be a little bit of a different feel here inside the east room within a couple minutes now as president trump is set to honor these folks. >> neil: when the president speaks, we'll go there. thanks very much. let's get the read from jillian metzler from the "wall street journal." what she makes of the betsy devos dust up and teacher of the year. anyplace this education secretary goes, she runs into this buzz saw.

arguing for school choice. a lot like the choices now and don't welcome that. >> devos has come under fire for her stand for school choice. he's doing what is right for our children. the fundamental question is who is better at deciding what is best for a child, the teacher's union or the parents. the unions don't like her because her answer is the parents. they really pulled out all the stops going after her. they know that it threatens their ability to continue functioning. >> neil: this president and we're going to go live to him now, he's supporting betsy devos. she's there as well as the president of the united states to recognize outstanding teachers. here's the president. >> thank you. good afternoon. i'm thrilled to be here with so

many friends and colleagues and distinguished educators for our annual national teacher of the year celebration. i'd like to thank secretary of education betsy devos and secretary of labor, alex acosta. thanks very much. [applause] and a very special thanks again to the glee club of the walter b. patterson elementary school. brilliant talent and great voices. big future. [applause] finally, congratulations to all of the teachers of the year representing their respective states, territories and the district of columbia. very special people. very important. we're joined by three amazing finalists for national teacher of the year. amy anderson, jonathan jurovic

and kara ball. please stand up. jonathan, stand up. all three, stand up. a great job. thank you, kara. thank you. thank you, jonathan. beautiful. [applause] we took pictures back stage. it was my great honor. tremendous achievement. it's also my honor to host all of you, your families, your amazing friends, all right here at the white house, a very special place. we all agree. you said before how special it was. it's special every time i walk into it or go to sleep upstairs. i say this is a very, very great place. each of you has dedicated your lives to our nation's single most important resource, our children. every president since harry truman has honored the national teacher of the year and i'm

proud to continue this tradition with mandy manning of the state of washington. a great state. thank you. [applause] outstanding job by mandy. by everybody. thank you. having begun her teaching career in the peace corps almost two decades ago, i know that mandy will be pleased to see the director of the peace corps joining us in her honor. thank you, doctor. i appreciate it. thank you. [applause] mandy took her passion for the peace corp in spokane, washington where she's been teaching english and math for the past six years. her incredible devotion has earned her the total adoration

and respect of students and colleagues throughout her school district, community and the entire state. teachers like mandy play a vital role in the well-being of our children, the strength of our communities and the success of our nation. the job of a teacher is not only to instruct the next generation of workers, but the next generation of citizens to teach our children to care for others. to think for themselves, to love their country, to be proud of our history and to be true pillars of their families and their communities. such an important job. there is no more important job. we have teachers to thank for identifying and nurturing the boundless potential of america's youth. sometimes all it takes to begin the next great american success story is a teacher that really, really cares. the legacy of a good teacher

extends through many lifetimes as the great author, henry adams once said, a teacher affects eternity. so true. to mandy and all of the amazing educators here today, your tireless dedication doesn't just inspire your students. it inspires all of us. i can tell you, it very much inspires me. we honor you and every citizen called to the noble vocation of teaching. now it's my privilege to present mandy with the national teacher of the year award. this is a truly special award. mandy, congratulations. [applause]

i just want to thank everybody again for being here. i want to really wish you the best for mandy and for all of this incredible talent. that's what it is, talent. i just want to say god bless you and god bless america. congratulations. thank you. [applause] >> neil: all right. recognizing an amazing young women as a teacher. we're told she works in excess of 80 hours a week for the kids. teachers don't earn a great deal of money. that puts it in perspective. very inspirational. there's many teachers like her. it is remarkable to devote the

time, effort and energy she has. not only that but to improving her kids test scores in the process. >> yeah, it's incredible. teachers like this make a difference. it's really important because not that long ago, we saw the study showing students progress. it was disappointing in a lot of respects. we saw reading, math skills stagnating. it's teachers like this that buck the trend. i think that's what parents are seeing. part of the reason that the strike movement has had the political leverage it has, now democrats have idea fight it cynically as a political issue. they want to capitalize on the mid-terms. >> i'm sorry we were approvated by the president and the other developments. very inspirational. anyone that has to deal with mine is a herculean task. hats off to them. meanwhile, the battle within the democratic party over nancy

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leading conservative the opposition john cox. to jerry brown's sanctuary state. and chairman of the initiative campaign to repeal the gas tax. join me and let's make california great again. >> neil: all right. nancy pelosi is already saying she's confident that democrats will retake control of the house. telling the "boston globe," "we will win." i will run for speaker. it's important for not to have five white guys at the table. i have no intention of walking away from that table. and what happens? let's ask lee carter and the

federalist briefing. what she's saying, i'm going to give it another shot. we get the majority, i want to be speaker. >> yeah. i think it's clear at this point to everyone except nancy pelosi that her colleagues don't respect her. in the immigration shut down show down while she was urging her colleagues to vote against the gop spending bill in favor of the dreamers, they did the opposite of what she said. she urged them otherwise. her colleagues don't respect her. a number of democrats have said that they want to try for the leadership position as well. you have kathleen rice, linda sanchez. have all of these people that have positioned themselves far away in nancy pelosi. it's far that her head is too big for her crown in this case. for whatever reason, she's just deciding to plow forward in the most nancy pelosi way possible.

>> neil: if i had a dime for everyone that said not this time, nancy, it's not going to happen and she's proved all the critics and naysayers wrong and has maintained her position in the house for quite a while. >> yes. what's going on here is about money. we're in washington d.c. i've been doing campaigns for 20 years. everybody is shocked. you shouldn't be shocked. so she raise as lot of money, she gets a lot of democrats elected. you're right. the average age of my party's leadership is 78 years old. we should be looking to the future. the continue she gets reelected is because she's raising money for the super pacts and the democratic national committee. guess what the mother's milk of politics is? money. >> neil: i hear you. but lee, she's very confident to take control. is this a given?

>> it's not a given. things are getting closer and closer. just because we see in the polls there's a slight edge doesn't mean that's what's going to happen come election day. we know that from behavioral science, people don't respond to a negative over the long-term. it doesn't drive action. usually attack ads come in the last two weeks of a campaign, not two years. the democrats have not learned the lesson of hillary clinton. you don't run against. you run for. so i think the democrats need to come up with a platform that will energize and excite people to come and vote for them. they have a really good chance of winning if they do that. >> neil: there's a lot of public at tonight. we had a wrestler on who on the verge of becoming a mayor in tennessee. we'll see. by the way, a new report out this past year on average, a lot of countries voted were the united states about a third of the time.

the united states ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley said that's not a good return on investment. is it time to rethink our friends or pull some aid? one of the bravest people i know. she's goes back on the very people that hate her. we admire her. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> she's not saying pay to play but don't play this game. we won't play it with you anymore. >> it's important. in a real democracy, you don't want pay to play. the u.n. is not a real democracy. they have votes. the more useful illustration or example is the u.n. is an animal farm. it's a collective. this is calling out mainly dictatorships, badly ruled states that vote not only against the united states but against the things we stand for, against the free world. >> neil: that's the nature of the beast, right?

>> it is. it's a good thing to have the u.s. ambassador calling them out. it's a good thing for america to tell the world we're not interesting in subsidizing countries that vote against us, exploit the u.n. -- >> neil: look, we help a lot of these countries. they come back and zoom us. >> yes. it's important to say no, the u.s. is not interesting in being your chief chump. >> neil: so what happens when we act on that? >> possibly not a lot. china is changing things. it's difficult. you're not going to change their votes. the message, what you may succeed in doing is sending the message that the u.s. is not interested in being played anymore. we've wised up. that's important for the world to understand. for instance, north korea to take note. we're not so easily fooled. the trump administration is

doing i think its best not to be like the obama administration which signed on to the terrible nuclear deal with iran that pinned that sign, "kick me." >> neil: what happens if he nixs that and starts from scratch? >> we'll be facing reality. it has its uses. let's look at this problem. this deal is never going to stop iran from getting the bomb. i hope a similar clear-eyed vision goes to north korea. >> neil: we're getting reports that north korea has released three american citizens. this was part of what our list of interests were in going to north korea. they're already looking to release them now. >> i would read nothing into it. the problem is, north korea can collect more hostages any time. they have played this game for years. >> neil: but this on top of saying yeah, we're open up to

denuclearization. yeah, we want to cease hostilities with the south. what's going on here? >> they were due to come back and try to collect whatever they could. >> neil: but this is a 180. i don't know what -- >> same guy here. they're preparing to game us. that's why i was saying, it's so important to be sending the message we won't be. as quickly as they flipped around from testing a hydrogen bomb eight months ago to now walking hand and hand with the president of south korea, they can flip the other way. unfortunately the record is that north korea cuts these marvelous deals, we celebrate. the problem is solved. then they begin renegotiating, cheating. that's the danger here. >> neil: a wide-eyed real list. the state department is not confirming this talk that is breaking now that three american prisoners that have been held in north korea, some for a number

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♪ >> jesse: i am jesse watters with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five" ." another shake-up to president trump's legal team as he ramped up his attack on the russia investigation. white house. [laughter] ty cobb's outs. he retires at the end of the month. those changes come as former trump attorney john dowd reveals muelleea