if kim jong un does, so should you. happy mother's day and with that, we will see you next weekend. ♪ ♪ chris: i'm chris wallace, north korea announces it will blow up its nuclear test site as gesture of good will leading up to the landmark summit with president trump. ♪ >> you know what gets you into nuclear wars, weakness, weakness. >> the chairman can chooses the right path, there's a future with prosperity. chris: we will preview next month's summit and discuss the president's decision to pull out iran nuclear deal with secretary of state mike pompeo in first interview from returning from north korea. then as the high-rest, high-reward summit approaches, what happens if the two leaders can't make a deal? we will ask retired mike mullen.

fox news sunday exclusive. plus, tensions spike in the middle east as iran and israel face off across the syrian border. we will ask the sunday panel will this trigger a wider war. and power player to have week, the changing role of the uso has developed home away from home. >> we were no longer working with young men who were being drafted into the military. all of a sudden, we had families. chris: all right now on fox news sunday. hello, again, happy mother's day from fox news in washington. north korea has scheduled what it calls a dismantling ceremony in nuclear test site ahead of singapore summit. that's now less than one month away. the plan to negotiate a nuclear deal with north korea comes as the president pulls out of an agreement with iran and

mr. trump says he wants to signal the kind of hard bargain he will demand from kim. in a few minutes, we will discuss the summit, what happens next with iran and growing tensions in the middle east with secretary of state mike pompeo in his first interview since he returned from north korea this week. but first, kevin cork at the white house with impact of dramatically changing u.s. policy around the world. >> white house officials characterized the president's foreign policy decision each by the way with major global implications in four simple words, promises made, promises kept, but a more nuance assessment might be simpler. america first. that's because whether it's north korea, iran, syria, even israel, what you have now is a clear departure not just from the previous administration's approach but washington orthodoxy. in each case, for example, north korea, you have policy of engagement bathed in subtle

aggression but by promise of cooperation. >> america's support for korean people is second to none. if north korea takes bold action to quickly denuclearize, the united states is prepared to work with prosperity on the par with south koreans friend. >> the administration's rejection to washington orthodoxy also on full display also at jared kushner and ivanka trump as move seen symbolic stake in ground in full support of israeli and against the growing influence of tehran in the region which was further disrupted by the president's decision to break the terms of the iran nuclear agreement this week. there is talk, chris, that decision by the president embolden the iranians to attack the israelis as you know israelis struck back hitting iranian targets in syria. it is certain that they have support in washington to do so,

chris. chris: cell -- kevin cork reporg from the white house. thanks for that. joining us the very busy mike pompeo. mr. secretary, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> great to be with you. chris: let's start with breaking news. savage attack in paris, knifing, killing one person, wounding four others, what can you tell us about a possible link to terror? >> we don't know much more, we know that the caliphate isis has claimed responsibility. they said he was one of the soldiers. we can't verify that. the french authorities with all the intelligence and united states can provide we will do this to unpack in the coming hours. chris: let's talk about other breaking news. north koreans announced yesterday that they will blow up their nuclear site in 10 to 12 days. how big a development is this and is that do we believe their only nuclear test site? >> chris, it's good news. every single site that the north

koreans have that can inflict risk upon the american people that's destroyed, eliminated is good news for the american people and for the world and so this is one step along the way. i had a good set of meetings this past week aimed at heading in exactly this direction. chris: i want to go comment on friday if kim chooses, quote, the right path, the u.s. is prepared to work with north korea to achieve prosperity. what does that mean in terms of direct u.s. investment in north korea and are we as part of this willing in effect to guaranty kim's security that regime change will be off the table? >> chris, here is what this will look like, this will be americans coming in private sector americans, not the u.s. taxpayer, private-sector americans coming in to help build out the energy grid, they need enormous amounts of electricity in north korea to

work with them to develop infrastructure all the things that the north koreans need, capacity for american agriculture to support so they can eat meat and healthy lives. those are the things the complete verifiable, irreversible denuclearization of north korea that the american people will offer them. chris: as we saying that kim, if you give us what we want, you can stay on and pow sner. >> we will have to provide security assurances to be sure. this has been the trade-off that's been pending for 25 years. no president has ever put america in a position where the north korean leadership thought that this was truly possible, that the americans would actually do this, would lead to the place where america was no longer held at risk by the north korean regime. that's the objectives. when i said earlier this week that i think chairman kim shares objectives of american people, i am convinced of that.

now the task of president trump and he to meet to valid date -- validate the process to set out markers so we can negotiate outcome. chris: do you have any problem given kim's history and the history of his family as oppressive regime any problems with the idea of the u.s., even if we get our deal in effect giving security guaranty to kim regime? >> look, we will have to see how negotiations proceed. make no mistake about it, america's interest here is preventing the risk that north korea will launch nuclear weapon in la or denver or the place we are sitting this morning, chris. that's the objective. that's the end state the president layed out and that's the mission he sent me on, to put us on trajectory to achieve that. chris: let's talk about denuclearization. two weeks ago john bolton sat in this very seat and he told me that the u.s. negotiating position going in is that kim has to ship out, has to dismantle and take out of the

country all of his nuclear weapons, all of the nuclear infrastructure, all of long-range missiles before the u.s. can grant any concessions. on the other hand, this week, kim met with chinese president xi and he called for, quote, phased measures, in other words, action for action, have you and kim agreed what the sequencing is, is it all actions by him first or is it step by step and is that something as i say that you've agreed with or something that kim and the president will have to work out at the summit? >> chris, we've had discussions on how this would proceed. there's still a great deal of detail to be worked on and in the coming weeks we will work on so we can be in a good spot in singapore for president trump. make no mistake about it, we have done this before, moment for moment, you give me x and you give me y, it has failed repeatedly. chairman kim understands that.

i think he appreciates the fact that this will have to be different, big and special and something that has never been undertaken before. if we are going to get to this historic outcome, both sides have to be prepared to take truly historic measures to achieve it. chris: how confident are you, you are going to be putting the president of the united states in a room with kim with the whole world watch it, he will deliver on our expectations? >> well, to quote president trump, we will see. we are not to the place yet where we should be remotely close to declaring that we have achieved what it is we want. there's great deal of work to remains. our eyes are wide open with respect to risks, it is our fervent hope that chairman kim wants to make strategic change, strategic change for country and his people and if he's prepared to do that, president trump is prepare today assure that this can be successful transition. chris: all right, i want to talk

about that. we understand and john bolton talked about that nobody in the administration is starry eyed, the president has been raising expectations for the summit, he thinks they will great deal, that's his phrase, predecessor at cia says brennan thinks he's playing into kim's hands. take a look. >> i think we we will have a success. i think this will be a success. >> rehe-- he is masterful in how he duped the president. >> former brennan's director are silly on its face. we will get into negotiations with two nations that are consistent with objections and goals, i think we now understand that there's the potential that there are shared objectives and our mission is to prepare the ground work. we are pretty far along the way

in doing so and we will continue to work in the days ahead, 30 left to prepare for june 12th. so the president can have successful outcome, the two of them can meet and see if there is sufficient overlap so we can achieve the objective for the american people. chris: after you brought the american hostages home and the whole world celebrated that, president trump praised kim for releasing them and that praise, not the release of hostages, the praise upset some critics, take a look at this. >> kim jong un did a great service to himself, to his country by doing this. >> we can't be fooled into giving north korean regime credit for returning americans that never should have been detained in the first place. chris: according to your state department's latest report, north korea still holds at least 80,000 political prisoners in its labor camps and other

facilities. is human rights an issue in this summit or is it just going to be about the nuclear issue? >> yeah, chris, always concerned about human rights, that's the case not only political prisoners, americans held around the world by other rogue regime too. i can assure you, this administration, as my role as director as cia and first two and a half weeks of secretary of state is intently focused on achieving the return of each of those as well. we had a success this week. we are happy for those families and for america that those three americans returned home, but we recognize there's much work to do, we still have americans held and we are working delight -- diligently on behalf of them. chris: when people found out that you were going to be on the program today, they all had the same question, what is kim like with the possible exception of denise rodman, he has spent more time with him than any other westerner, at least two and a

half hours the way i figure it, what is he like, give us any kind of personal insight, how aware is he of what president trump has been saying, any mention of little mact man? >> well, i've got a lot fewer rebounds than denise rodman. the conversations were professional. he knows his brief, he knows what he is trying to achieve for the north korean people, he's able to deal with complexity when the conversation requires it. he does follow the western press. he will probably watch this show at some point. he's paying attention to things that the world is saying. he too is preparing for june 129, he and his team will be working with them to put our two leaders into the position where it's possible we might pull off a historic undertake. chris: any mention of exchange of insults? >> no, we didn't cover that, chris. chris: that's probably wise. a lot on your brief, iran and israel got into armed conflict

across the syrian border this week after president trump pulled out of nuclear deal with tehran, do you think that there's any connection that iran feels less constrained now that the u.s. no longer is part of this -- this deal about iran nukes? >> that's ludicrous. that's ludicrous. to suggest that iran feels less constrain, they have now fired missiles into an airport where americans travel each day in riyadh. they have fired missiles into israel. to suggest that somehow the withdrawal from the jcp is drawing iranian conduct is taking place during jcp in yemen, the rise of hezbollah, all of those things took place during jcpo, indeed, i would argue that they felt they could act with impunity. they watched, they watched europe put exactly zero sanctions on their missile program during the jcpoa.

they need to explain why it's the case that while this agreement was in place iran continued its march across the middle east. chris: president trump made it clear that he's not only going after iran but he's also prepared to sanction european companies that continue to do business in tehran. here is the president. >> we will be instituting the highest level of economic sanction. any nation that helps iran in its quest for nuclear weapons could also be strongly sanctioned by the united states. chris: but the leaders of france, of germany, of britain all say they are going to stay in the deal and look for a way to protect european companies that continue to do business, the question is, how hard is the trump administration prepared to go after european companies that

ignore the u.s. pulling out? >> two things, chris, first, the wealth that was created in iran as a result of the jcpoa drove iranian malign activity, provided resources for work in syria and iraq. president trump withdrawal in denying them and taking money away from them. i worked hard over the short time i've been secretary of state to try and fix the deal. we couldn't reach agreement with our e-3 partners, i'm hopeful in the days and weeks ahead we can come up with a deal that really works, that really protects the world from iranian bad behavior, not just nuclear programs but behavior as well and i will work with europeans to achieve that. chris: what about the european countries say, look, there's not going to be a renegotiation anymore than there's

renegotiation of the paris climate accord. is the u.s. prepared to go after companies in our allies, like britain, france u and germany, if they try to continue to do business? >> the sanctions regime that's now in place is very clear about what the requirements are. my mission that i've been given by president trump is to work to strike a deal that achieves the outcomes that protect america. that's what we are going to do. i will hard at it with the europeans in the next several days. chris: couple of final questions, israel, the u.s. opens embassy in jerusalem tomorrow. the palestinians are talking about a day of rage, violent mass protests and plo won't event talk to the u.s. anymore in terms of the middle east. is the peace process dead and given the threat of violence, what are you as a secretary of state saying to americans in the middle east in those parts of the world over the next few days? >> the peace process is most not

dead, we are hard at work on it. we hope we can achieve successful outcome as well. with respect to security, we are aware of situation on the ground, the united states government has taken a number of actions to ensure not only governmental interest but people are secure as well and we are comfortable we have taken action that reduces that risk. chris: finally, and it's pretty remarkable given all that's happened, all that's on brief, you have been secretary of state for barely two weeks now, what's your vision for the state department? >> chris, i hope i haven't peaked in the first two weeks. it's clear, we have to putty plomatic team on the playing field. it should be the united states state department that's at the front of foreign policy to solve problems without result of military force. i will build a team, we will get our swagger back and the state department will be out in front and every corner of the world leading america's diplomatic policy achieving great outcomes

on behalf of president trump and america. chris: secretary pompeo, thanks for your time and very busy schedule, always good to talk with you. >> thank you, chris. chris: up next, reaction from the former chairman of joint chief's of staff admiral mike mullen and grewing tensions in the middle east. breakfast can make you feel like your day never started. get going with carnation breakfast essentials®. it has protein, plus 21 vitamins and minerals including calcium and vitamin d, to help your family be their best. carnation breakfast essentials®. to help your family be their best. ♪ (electronic dance music)♪ ♪ ♪

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pompeo and president trump is also talking with growing optimism about his summit with chairman kim, take a look. >> i think it's going to be a very big success, but my attitude is and if it isn't, it isn't, okay. chris: what do you think are the prospects for a trump-kim summit? what are the prospects that this will work out, that kim will give up as you just heard the secretary say, give up nuclear program and agree to give us means to verify it? >> i think it's really uncertain. i think -- i want to give president trump credit for getting to this point, he's moved the needle on this when that has not been done in the past but i also think given the stakes it's a very much high-risk, high-reward opportunity and i think the downsides are potentially significant as well. chris: all right, i want to talk to you about that because you gave a speech in washington this

week and you talked about what could happen if this summit falls apart, if they walk away from singapore without a deal. let me put it up on the screen. if the talks do fall apart, excuse me, you didn't cough, i did, the failure to stir the president's aggressive instincts. are you saying, admiral, if there is no deal that we could be worst off than if there was a summit in the first place? >> if the talks fail, the likelihood of options are dramatically reduced to potential conflict and that's a huge worry. i think despite the progress that's been made to try to understand kim jong un, there's a lot we don't understand, and that he would be significantly different from his father and his grandfather to make the changes that are being discussed would be huge, huge shift. and i'm more skeptical than i am

optimistic that he would do that. that said, it could happen, but i do worry about the down side of conflict breaking out where tens of hundreds of thousands people particularly in south korea could die very quickly and kim has a huge arsenal to include chemical biological weapons and if the outbreak there could be huge and i don't know that we've had much of debate in the country of potential outbreak of use of nuclear weapons which haven't used since 1945. chris: but you have said, you're on the record assays that we can't live with north korea as active nuclear threat, so if this agreement were to fall apart, what would you have president trump do? >> well, i mean, that's -- i'm not really sure, those are the stakes that we are playing for

right now. i would -- i really want this agreement or i want the result to be denuclearization complete, exactly what the president is seeking and also not have any outbreak of war. that's a pretty thin lane to get into particularly if the talks break down. i also think we need to put as much pressure on china to ensure that combat doesn't -- there is no combat outbreak and certainly include our allies in japan as well as south koreans in generating this kind of outcome. what i'm most concerned about is if this doesn't result in a positive outcome, the potential for, i think, military conflict goes up and therefore you get into whether or not he would use the nuclear weapons. chris: do you think -- i mean, the question i have is, would we be better off because you're saying -- if we get together and it falls apart, then there's not much more to talk about, would

it be better not to have the summit, are you seghting that -- suggesting we are doing it too quickly? >> actually it's a hypothetical at this point. we are going to have it it's another 30 days. another 30 days of prognosis. i am convinced that it's going to happen. i want to try to manage -- not manage, but to understand what potential outcomes could be both on the upside and the downside. chris: let's turn to iran and president trump's decision to pull out of the nuclear deal with tehran, here he is. >> it is clear to me that we cannot prevent an iranian nuclear bomb under the decaying and rotten structure of the current agreement. the iran deal is defective at its core. chris: you were the former chairman, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff with the president's decision to pull out of the deal has the risk of iran

developing a nuclear weapon, has it increased or diminished. >> i think it's increased fairly dramatically. one of the things we forget how bright and capable the iranians are and that they can rebound from setbacks pretty quickly, technically and i think their capability could be developed very rapidly. chris: but you have criticized iran for continuing its nuclear -- its missile program, ballistic missile program and the jcpoa, iran nuclear deal, did not stop that, it clearly did not curtail iran's bad actions across the middle east in its support for terror groups in number of countries. aren't there flaws in the deal that president obama and john kerry negotiated that had to be addressed? >> i think we lose the context, if you will, of the jcpoa which

was very specifically focused on the nuclear weapons and those weapons are so devastating that that focus, i think, was very well deserved. the other thing that i am concerned about is if iran gets nuclear weapons, it will proliferate nuclear weapons in the region. secondly, we ought to press them as hard as possible to push back, bring as much pressure on their nefarious activities with respect to terrorism and support of terrorists as well as their missile program and do that with every available capability and iran has not acted well since the implementation of the jcpoa outside its requirements. every one i've spoken to says iran is in full compliance with the specifics of the jcpoa which eliminates their ability to develop nuclear weapons over a period of time. chris: the period of time ends

and that's one of the concerns of president trump in 2025 you have the sunset claws and -- claws -- clause. >> we knew there was a sunset aspect of this. 10 years is a long time and in some ways to look at it in which case you would hope that there be developments where they wouldn't develop, once the sunset -- once that sunset clause went into effect. chris: i want to ask you two things, what do you think of gina haspel's nomination to head cia and do you believe as some democrats that her involvement in enhanced interrogation after 911 somehow disqualifies her. >> i have aligned myself with senator john mccain for a long time on views of torture. he's the gold standard there.

and i recognize lots of intelligence professionals i talk to think gina is an extraordinary person with great background, that said, she has a past and recently while she stated that she was in compliance with the law where i think senator mccain is where i am that morally it was wrong, it was torture and that she should be held responsible for that. chris: and therefore should not be the cia director? >> i'm not voting, i will let those that vote make that decision. chris: but you would say that what she did was wrong? >> yeah, i'm very much where senator mccain is. chris: i'm sure that someone is going to know it after your appearance here that back in 2016 michael bloomberg considered running for president and he at one point vetted you as possible running mate, i'm sure someone is going say and i want to give you an opportunity to respond, hey, you're a never

trumper. >> no, i'm not, i've never said and worked hard to stay out of politics of all of this, quite frankly. chris: what's your attitude towards the president and the fact that you were thinking of running with michael bloomberg? >> that was a time that i was focused with michael bloomberg on the possibilities. it never really came to fruition and in tend, i honestly came to a point with my family that it really wasn't my kind of life or that we would pursue anything like that. chris: admiral mullen, thank you, thank you for coming in today and pursuing this live and talking to us, we appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. chris: up next sunday group to discuss foreign policy landscape that's shifting rapidly. plus u now that we have a date and location, what would you like to ask the panel about the trump-kim summit? go to facebook or twitter at fox news sunday and we may use your question on the air.

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gop strategists karl rove, charles lane of the washington post, former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and former national security council spokesperson michael anton now with hills dale college. we asked you for questions for the panel and we got this on facebook, what are the chances of denuke to go a treaty giving kim security, you heard secretary pompeo, how would you say? >> that's one of the goals, the korean war never formally ended. they want a peace treaty that formally ends the war. i would hold that out as carrot towards the end. you see what you can get on the denuclearization. it's very positive but for this to work, they're going to have

to be robust inspections, the north koreans will have to lay bear the entire program, let people crawl all over it and confirm that they are shutting things down. chris: were you surprised that pompeo made explicit in interview, look, if we get all that, kim, you can stay in power? >> i was not surprised because i have known from the beginning that the policy of this administration has never been regime change. i think people such as admiral mullen that are most concerned about conflict, the point i would make to them, making u.s. policy explicitly regime change that's how you up the chances of conflict and you scare that it thinks survival is on the line it's more likely to do risky things where if the united states is willing to live with it, reduces pressure and more less likely to do risky things. chris: what do you think of the way president trump is approaching the summit and when the president praises kim for

releasing hostages and you see democratic senate leader chuck schumer on the floor criticizing him for that, doesn't that add that the democrats won't give credit to donald trump for anything he does? >> no, i mean, i think it was positive that these three americans were released. the question is, you know, that is a precursor even the dismantling of the nuclear site is a precursor. my question is what are americans going to get and how are we going to verify that we've gotten something. i remain a little skeptical the availability to negotiate denuclearization in north korea but it would be a positive development, obviously, if that happened but i don't want to hang too many hopes on what's going to happen on june 12th in singapore. chris: let's also turn to iran and the president's decision to pull out of the iran nuclear deal, here was part of mr. trump's announcement. >> if we do nothing, we know

exactly what will happen. in just a short period of time the world's leading state spon ser of terror will be on the cusp of acquiring the world's most dangerous weapons. chris: karl, we understand that there are gaps in the deal about iranian behavior, iran's ballistic missile program, about the question to have sunset clause but after fail to go get a deal with the europeans and that was the effort to, yes, we will keep the deal but we will add on the other measures, you heard the president, you heard pompeo talk about the iranians coming to the negotiating table, how realistic is that? >> actually realistic, he talked first of all the threat, we are going to restart our program on, quote, industrial scale, but then he pivoted and said basically we will be sitting down with europeans to see if we

can salvage the deal and literally this week -- chris: salvaging the deal with the french not with the u.s. >> i know, here is the deal. this is the risky strategy of the trump administration in my opinion. the 3m's will be meeting with him, may, merkel and macron. has the united states through pompeo and others, we know that there have been conversations with all three of them, has the administration signaled what it wants and then are the europeans going to be be willing to carry those issues forward with the iran aints and are iranians willing to do a deal, the three steps could fall apart at any one of them but i took it as a sign when the iranians after their typical rhetoric said we are going to try and salvage the deal. remember, they've got problems, economy that's in meltdown, domestic unrest and you have the europeans concerned about the impact of sanctions in the united states that would affect companies in their country which

are nervous about doing working with iran, if the president has been clear with the europeans as to what he wants out of a better deal, whether it's any time any place inspections, get rid of -- make prohibitions rather than caps, maybe there's a way for it. chris: do you think that's the method here, i'm going to pull out and the europeans will basically negotiate what the president wanted? >> i don't know if that's the conscious method. but if there's any way out, that's one avenue to which it will have to pass. that's the nice -- the carrot, the stick by the way, is the hammer saudi arabia is putting down. the israelis with huge massive retaliation and the saudis didn't get enough attention promising to turn the oil taps back on because as you know, the spike in oil prices that was being caused by this, you know,

transaction where trump pulls out of the deal was something saudi arabia is now going to counteract so the u.s. economy won't suffer from it and the iranians won't benefit. the u.s. has pivoted from europe in support of its other allies, israel and sawed sud and that's sort of the group, u.s., saudi arabia and israel that's pressuring iran right now. chris: i have left than a minute in the segment. michael, i want to ask you because the president threaten iran, if they start nuclear program back up, they will have problems they have never seen before, from your time on the national security council in this white house, do you think that president trump is really prepared to launch -- launch a strike against iran if it resumes its nuclear program? >> i think he would never rule out anything for the future. chris: you're no longer a spokesperson. do you really think he's prepare today launch a military strike to take out a new iran --

>> it looks like we are ways from that. what's going to happen significant sanctions will be impose today iran which will require europe to choose between access to the u.s. financial system and the iranian economy and in the end to have day u it's not a choice. this will hurt iran a lot. what they want most, access to european contracts so they can make money. if they don't have that anymore, it will put pressure on the regime and it will also starve them, limit them to resources they need to fuel the program. that's the next step we will see happen if we can't get a deal such as the secretary described. chris: all right, panel, we have to take a break. when we come back, president trump's nominee to head the cia faces challenges on the path to confirmation including opposition from senator john mccain ♪ ♪ legendary jockey víctor espinoza is insatiable when it comes to competing. ♪ ♪ so is his horse. ♪ ♪

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>> i would not allow cia to undertake activity that i thought was immoral even if it was technically legal, i would absolutely not permit it. chris: president trump's nominee to lead the cia gina haspel facing tough questioning at confirmation hearing about the agency's use of harsh interrogation after 9/11 and we are back now with the panel. i want to play a little bit more about what haspel told congress this week. >> after 9/11, i department look to go sit on the swiss desk, i stepped up, i was not on the sideline. i was on the front lines in the cold war and i was on the front lines in the fight against al-qaeda. chris: karl, what do you think of the approach from most of the democrats how people acted during the crisis after 9/11 or after the crisis of 9/11 as to

how they feel now after the fact? >> i think it's reprehensible. she was following a program that was carefully crafted by the lawyers and approved by being under international obligations and the statutes of the united states, it's now been ruled by active congress to no longer be applicable, no longer be of tool be available, but if they're saying she is morally unfit to hayed the cia because she was part of the program, than every one of those people who is in the united states congress at the time who knew about this program and refused to be -- to condemn it and agreed with it like nancy pelosi and dianne feinstein who today find it convenient to attack haspel, they are morally cull panel if she's morally cull panel. she will be approved. two democrats have announced support. she -- even with the two -- chris: let me pick up on that, despite opposition, it does look like haspel will be confirmed.

two state red democrat running for reelection this year, joe manchin and john donnelly will vote for her. should haspel be blocked for following presidential directive which was viewed legal by the justice department and was briefed to democratic members of congress, should she be blocked from serving as the cia director? >> well, what i was hearing in the questioning was a question about whether she believed today looking back on it that the program was immoral and she refused to answer that. look, i think that the two joeys, manchin and donnelley opens pathway for confirmation. i think the question is legitimate for all of us to look back on a program that may or may not have been -- that may have been authorized -- chris:

he would not permit that kind of activity again. >> what she didn't say and this was going directly to the questions was whether looking back on it she believes the program was immoral. that's an important question to answer. >> it's not an important question to ask. we want you to take out a whip and bleed yourself because we didn't like the war in iraq and we decided we didn't like what was done to keep america safe. it's politics pure and simple and hurtful to our country. >> it tells us what we would do in the future. >> she has made it clear, she will abide by the laws and statutes of the united states of america, approved by congress and signed by the president. chris: let me bring in our other two. >> i would make two points. you hear a lot about supposed conflict about president and bureaucracy, the deep state, yet, he has nominated the first career professional to lead the cia since william colby in early 19 7's and the same people

criticizing the president to being hostile to bureaucracy are trying to block this nomination. i find that surreal. the other point i would make too is what this is about, what karl is right, it's about trying to relitigate the issue. there was a lot of anger about it. there were investigations done. people were clear, there was a hope in certain quarters of the democrat party, people would get punished, investigations were launched and everybody was cleared and i think there are some people who never got over that and want to find some way to punish somebody and gina is now the target. >> the reason people are focused on this, karl, is not the attitude of president bush whom you worked for, it's the current president that concerns them and during the campaign he promised to do worse than waterboarding and so i think people we wanted to accomplish gina hapel on the record about it, not because of her and the past but the president. >> maybe so. the heart of this is, they are

both getting back at bush over the war and getting back at war and this is about the people who didn't stand up and say, who today say it was immoral who back then didn't say it was immoral. >> although the president said at campaign, he made clear that he had subsequent conversations with secretary mattis. >> he does change his mind. >> she's now on the record, let's agree -- she's now said i will abide the law of the united states of america and i will not do anything that's immoral even if it is technically allowed confirm her. >> well you know something, they do immoral stuff every day of the week, i'm not sure how important that is. there's a separate category which is torture but for the rest of it, i found it a little bit of a everybody was doing posturing when they said, no, no, the head spy will never do anything immoral which what they do blackmail, extort and steal secrets every day of the week. >> in the interest of the united states. >> which makes it moral.

>> yes, it does. chris: i'm glad we settled all of that. next up our power player of the week, uso, you may be surprised, these days it's about a lot more than putting on a show for the troops. (vo) at pro plan, we believe nutrition is full of possibilities to improve your pet's life. we are redefining what nutrition can do. because the possibility of a longer life and a better life is the greatest possibility of all. purina pro plan. nutrition that performs.

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chris: it's an american institution that for years has worked to lift the morale of our troops at home and abroad. but a lot you may not know about today's uso. here is our power player of the week. >> i'm just so passionate about our military and their families and i get to meet heros every single day. hey, hi. chris: elaine rogers is president of uso metro and she's been the job since 1976 with ten centers across the dc area. it shows how dramatically the

uso has changed over the years. young soldiers used to go to local uso for friday night dances. bob hope led tours to entertain troops stationed overseas. >> i just want you boys to see what you're fighting for, that's all. chris: as the military switch to all-volunteer force, the uso had to adjust. >> we were no longer working with young men who were being drafted into the military, all of a sudden we had families. chris: uso metro now serves 250,000 troops and their families like this 25,000 square foot center at fort belwar outside washington. >> the uso is truly saving lives today and it's with the services that we are doing, whether it's art therapy, music therapy, those kinds of programs which people don't normally think as the uso doing. without you we couldn't have a uso. chris: with a budget of $17 million and 3,000

volunteers, rogers offers all sorts of assistance. if a family flies to washington to visit a wounded warrior or bury a fallen hero, the uso meets them at the airport. when a soldier is about to be deployed, they can take advantage of something called united through reading. >> there are active duty mother or father can come in to our uso and actually read a book, this is the last thing that they do before they leave the united states and then we send that book back to their families so they can see their loved one reading. ♪ ♪ chris: yes, the uso still haskell bringties lifting troops morale, working with gary and foundation to put on show, stars like tom hanks and cheryl crowe visiting soldiers in the hospital. fdr started uso just before world war ii and then there was vietnam when so many americans scorn the soldiers who bought

there. >> it was the sad part of our history and today we find so many people wanting to reach out to the military, help them be supportive. >> how are you? chris: through it all, elaine rogers has carried on the mission for 43 years. >> it's so emotional for me because i know how much that we are giving back to our military. i truly know that this organization through our volunteers and our staff are making a difference in so many lives. hello, my friend. what can i do for you? chris: uso affiliate rogers has also given more than 2 million care packages to troops deployed overseas, all part of being their home away from home. and that's it for today, for all you moms, have a wonderful mother's day and a great week and we will see you next fox news sunday. ♪

♪ ♪ >> paul: welcome to "the journal editorial report." i'm paul gigot. president trump upending the foreign policy status quo again this week with announcing that the united states would exit the iran nuclear accord. this, as three americans detaped in north korea arrived home early thursday, ahead of a summit now set for june 12th in singapore between president trump and kim jong un. the president voicing optimism that the meeting would be a success. >> i really think he wants to do something and bring the country