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and the relevance of a collection of one of the most famous speeches. his words for our time. april 4, 1968 in indianapolis. to tame the savage -- savage ness of man. here is a man who came from privilege who columns of the crowd. and in the sense speaks to the better angels of people's nature and succeeds. for a speech he made at the university of mississippi. >> going through transition, we will discus the crisis at the they led the fight for civil border and the president's response. the white house press secretary rights.
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sarah sanders, live on fox news sunday. he was the devil to many people at the university. ♪ i just taught him. if you're honest if you go >> waiting for the mueller report, attorney general barr promises to release redacted version this week and drops bomb shell on capitol hill. until it's difficult. we can win over hearts and i think spying did occur, yes, i think spying did occur. minds. we will get reaction from he was the oldest of the 11 children they remember how democratic senator ben gordon. they always pushed themselves. plus we will ask sunday panel my bedroom was next to his bathroom and every time i would hear him. about rise of major paul gigot in 2020 democratic field. so he could have the language to speak to the deepest issues and our power player of the week, the daughter of bobby in our spirit. kennedy on lasting power of message half century after his date all right now on fox news >> and do you feel cheated that you did not have all of the years with him that you should've head. sunday. and hello again from fox news in you were always taught about washington, when the story first murders and sacrifice. broke this week, president trump looked at a plan to ship detained immigrants to sanctuary
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cities, the white house said it life is filled with a was an idea that had been sacrifice. floated and rejected but now the president says he's seriously she has no doubts on one considering it as part of subject. >> what do you think your ongoing battle with democrats other would've made of a over border security. donald trump. all this as washington braces he would be hurt by the pain for the release of the mueller that donald trump has caused so many people. report. in a moment we will speak with in the glee that seems to white house press secretary take. sarah sanders, first kevin cork with the latest development of the white house, kevin. >> chris, sanctuary cities are supposed to offer at least in theory a protective buffer zone for those in country illegally from prevent them from being deported or arrested by federal authorities but to here officials at the white house, we need leaders to appeal to the good part of us. place to send migrants as they the lieutenant governor of ready for cases to be heard. maryland for eight years. she's focused on improving >> we are working with dhs, we are working with ice to try and make sure that happens because retirement security. they have saved nothing for after all it's what they want, when they stopped working. they should not say it's
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retribution politically. >> the president tweeted the usa has the absolute legal right to have apprehended illegal now this program know to be sure to watch a fox news town immigrants transferred to hall with bernie sanders on sanctuary cities. monday at 6:30 p.m. eastern on fox news channel. and that is it for today have from city hall to the halls of a great week. we will see you next fox news congress to the 2020 campaign sunday. spying did occur. trail. democrats have long argued that humanitarian crisis at the border demands a nuance, humane approach and the president using the question is whether it was as ponds for political battle. predicated, adequatel the question is whether it was predicated. >> what the president is doing i would need to explore that. is terribly wrong. >> walk up to the journal editorial report. a >> leaders in the capitol to the white house carefully monitoring the justice department which is expected to release a redacted version of the mueller report's findings soon. certainly we are looking for that, by the way, chris, the president also won a rare victory from the firestorm on capitol hill with typically-left-leaning ninth circuit court of appeals on democrats accusing the attorney
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general of being off the friday lower court ruling effectively allowing the administration to send central american asylum seekers back to méxico to wait while asylum cases can be heard here, chris. chris: kevin cork reporting from the white house, thanks for that, joining us right now white press secretary sarah sanders, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good morning, great to be with you, chris. chris: let's start with the president's statement on friday about possibly shipping detainees, immigrant detainees to sanctuary cities all over the country, here he is. >> california certainly has always saying, we want more people and they want more people in their sanctuary cities, well, we will give them more people, we can give them a lot, we can give them unlimited supply. chris: is the president serious, does he really intend to ship thousands of immigrants all across the country to cities like newark and san francisco and a lot of other places? >> certainly we are looking at
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all options as long as democrats continue to ignore the crisis at the border and continue to refuse and sit down with the president and republicans in congress and come up with a solution to stop the national security and humanitarian crisis and the number of illegal immigrants that are flooding across our borders and we have to look at all options across the table so that the towns right there on the border are taking on the entire burden and shifting some of that burden to places who constantly claim to want to have open borders and want to have an open city, so let's put some of those people into their communities and into their towns and see if they are okay with the same impact. again, the big part of the question and the big thing we have to look at here is how do we stop from being a problem in the first place, we shouldn't have to be putting people and moving them all across the country to spread that out. we should have a border that's secure and function it is way
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it's supposed to, that's the president's number one priority, that's what he would like to see happen and democrats to solve, continue to be unwilling to do that, we are certainly looking at all options. chris: okay, i want to pick up on this specific option, though, about shipping migrants to sanctuary cities, the president tweeted last night that he has the government has, quote, the legal right to do so but as been reported floated by the white house, brought over to dhs and they said repeatedly that it was not legal to do so and also they said counterproductive, take a look at some of the objections that dhs raised, they said congress has approved no specific money for this purpose. ice says it would be, quote, an unnecessary operational burden. sending them to sanctuary cities which don't cooperate with federal enforcement of immigration would make it harder to round them up later and also might be incentive to more
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illegal immigration. i guess the question is how do you overcome all of those problems? again, nobody thinks that this s is the ideal solution but until we can fix the crisis at the border we have to look at all options. this is one of them, whether or not it moves forward, that's yet to be determined. this was raised at a staff level initially and pushed back on, the president wants us to explore it again and that's being done and doing complete thorough review, but again, the big thing is if democrats including the mayors and members of congress in these communities want these individuals, they should be helping the president frankly look for solutions to bring them to their communities instead of fighting the president every step of the way, let's work together, let's solve the crisis at the border and let's figure out how it doesn't make massive impact on any one particular community like we are seeing border towns all along in southern border.
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chris: one question to immigration, a lot to talk about. "the new york times" reports that last week -- >> like to stay busy. >> we appreciate that. last week the president told acting dhs chief kevin mcaleena, in that he urged him to close the border to migrants and if necessary. now the white house says that's not the way it went down. what did the president say to mcaleenan? >> look, the president hasn't addressed this and dhs put statement out saying that that's inaccurate. the president is person and president of law and order, that's entire focus, restoring law and order to this country -- chris: i understand that. what did he say? >> the president has asked them to do everything they can and everything they're allowed to do under the law to stop the massive crisis we have at southern border, the same thing
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he says publicly day in and day out and same thing he says behind closed doors to staff, figure out how we stop this crisis, how we fix this problem, look for every possible option to do so and that's what our team has been doing. but it would be really nice and much simpler if congress would spend 15 minutes and sit down with the president and let's just come up with best solution so that we don't have to do this, we don't have to look for all of these different options. it seems so basic and yet congress refuses to want to spend all of its time attacking the president, investigating the president on the taxpayer-funded fishing expeditions that are completely outrageous and completely baseless and instead of doing their job. chris: let me ask you a little bit about and i promise that i will ask senator congressman about democratic plan for immigration, attorney general -- >> they don't have one. their only plan is to fight the president and it's a sad day in america when the mexican government is willing to do more
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for the united states, illegal immigration problem than democrats in congress and i hope you will ask them and ask what their solution is -- chris: let's get finished with this segment so i can get on to the next one. attorney general barr says that he's going to release a redacted version of the almost 400-page mueller report this week but i want to put up what the president tweeted last night on this subject. this is the president, why should radical left democrats in congress have a right to retry and examine the $35,000,000.02-years in the making no-collusion mueller report when the crime committed was from crooked hillary, dnc and dirty cops, attorney general barr will make the decision. i understand the president says he's leaving it to barr but is he suggesting that congress doesn't have right to see mueller report? >> no, that's not what he's saying, the president has been
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clear he wants transparency, the president is 100% right, there's no obstruction, it's time to move on. they don't get a second chance at trying to reinvestigate the president after 2 years and millions and millions of taxpayer dollars wasted on a complete hoax that we all knew was a lie from the very beginning and something that democrats use as excuse as to why they lost an election. chris: sarah, the report according to barr and that's all we know about it, bottom line conclusions says that according to mueller while the report does not fly clear evidence that the president committed obstruction, it doesn't exonerate him either, and the question is how are you going to deal with some evidence that's going to come out of report that clearly is going to be damaging to the president? >> i don't think it is going to be damaging to the president because the entire purpose of
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the investigation is whether or not there was collusion, mueller was crystal clear -- >> he wasn't crystal clear on obstruction. >> they couldn't make a determination which is basically mueller's way legally of saying we can't find anything, we are going to leave that up to the process which is the attorney general. he has made a decision and so we consider this to be case close, there was no collusion, there was no obstruction which i don't know how you can interpret that any other way than total exoneration. >> all right. >> i think it is absolutely absurd that democrats are going to continue to push this false narrative that there was somehow wrongdoing on behalf of the president, he won because the better candidate with a better message, better vision and he simply outworked his opponent. chris: okay. i'm trying to ask some questions, let's do a lighting round because i have 3 more questions i want to ask you, quick questions, quick answers,
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the justice department is now charged -- i will do my best too. the justice department has charged julian assange with conspiracy to hack into the defense department computers, here is what the president said about wikileaks during the campaign and then this week. >> wikileaks, i love wikileaks. wikileaks is like a treasure troll. i love reading those wikileaks. i know nothing about wikileaks, it's not my thing. chris: how can the president say and does he regard julian assange as villain or >> look, clearly the president was making a joke during 2016 campaign, certainly we take this serious, in fact, our administration is the only one that's done anything about it. let's not forget that the reason julian assange is being looked at is because of engagement with chelsea manning, that individual is that the person that obama administration commuted their sentence, only ones that have
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taken this whole process seriously and actually doing something to solve the problem. chris: okay. >> the president was making a joke during the campaign and talking about the specifics of the case at that moment. chris: a joke he made over and over again, in any case let me ask you about ilhan omar, the president tweeted video that congresswoman omar made cutting it with images of 9/11, take a look. >> some people did some things -- chris: now, that was only the only 5 seconds we felt comfortable showing, it goes on in much worse way of her seeming, no question about it, minimize 9/11 and then horrible images from 9/11, two questions, one, is the president -- why is the president comfortable putting out horrible images like that and secondly, is he word at all about unsighting -- inciting
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violence against muslim? >> the president is not trying to incite violence against anybody, he's speaking out against it. the question is why isn't the congresswoman, why is she brushing this off dismissively, she continues to make antisemitic comments over and over again and democrats refuse to call her out for it. she continues to do it the president will continue to call her out, call her out by name and not ashamed and nor should he be. the only shame i see in this that democrats and others aren't standing up and taking the same hard line that the president is. that was one of the most horrific moments in america history adder for her to talk about it in such a dismissive way it's frankly disgusting and i'm glad the president is calling her out. chris: final question and we have just blown through all kinds of lighting round rules, i'm not sure you'll be invited for lighting rounds.
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>> you're not asking yes' or no's. chris: house democrats have given the irs 9 more days to turn over 6 years of trump tax returns, here is what the president said about that this week. >> while under audit i will not give my taxes. chris: will the president demand that the irs not turn over his tax returns or will he live, i think it's yes or no, will he live with whatever the irs decides. >> the president has been clear as long as taxes are under audit he will not release them and he also filled out hundreds of pages in financial disclosure. chris: will he tell the irs not to -- >> hold on, chris. >> chris: would he tell the irs not to release them, though? >> we will have to see what happens on the front. the issue has been litigated, we went through it in 2016. one of the biggest things that people aren't seeing is the fact that the only reason that the
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oversight committee has the ability to request someone's taxes or for the purpose of did i -- determining policy, this is all about political partisanship, this is a dangerous, dangerous road and frankly, chris, i don't think congress and not particularly this group of congressmen are spatter enough to look through thousands of pages that i would assume president trump's taxes would be. my guess is most of them don't do their own taxes and i certainly don't trust them to look through decades of success that the president has and determine anything. he's stilled out hundreds of pages of disclosure and disgusting overreach that they are making when they are not doing this based on policy and puts every american who has filled out tax return or tax forms in the past -- chris: yes or no question, have you filed your taxes yet? >> i'm almost finished.
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i'm in the process. chris: i'm asking for an [laughter] >> always good to talk with you. >> you bet, thanks, chris. chris: up next the president in washington brace for the mueller report which attorney general barr says he will release this week, we will ask democratic senator about that, ag statement the trump campaign was spied on next. ♪ born to walk alone! keep goin' man! you got it! if you ride, you get it. ♪ here i go again geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. onmillionth order.r. ♪ there goes our first big order.
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senator ben carden, number 2 in foreign relations committee. senator, before we get to mueller report, is the president's idea of shipping migrant detainees to sanctuary cities all around the country, is that legal and if the president goes ahead with it, what will congress do? >> my understanding is it's not legal, there's no budget for that purpose. this is a clearly a political move for the president, he's using the immigrants as ponds in political game of chess. he's not really interested in a solution, he's more interested in preserving political issue for 2020 election. chris: you may not like the president's possible solution here but i think you have to agree that there's a crisis on the border. i want to put up some numbers, in march of 2018 last year, 50,000 people were caught crossing the border. last month it was more than 103,000. and the big spike is in family asylum requests, in 2018dhs
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decided these are bureaucrats, 76% of cases that asylum seekers established credible fear about what would happen to them if they were returned to countries but when they actually saw immigration judge only 16% were actually granted asylum. meanwhile there's a backlog of 800,000 cases in waiting list that takes about 2 years to be heard by a judge, so i guess the question really is sarah sanders brought it up, what is the democratic plan, i know you talk about border securing and all that, there's clearly a problem here where people gaming the asylum. >> we can start with the bill to pass the senate a few years ago, changes that we have to deal with including the dreamers and tps and a lot more now about the budget needs at the border, let
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us take up legislation, mitch mcconnell, the majority leader of the senate has yet to bring a bill to the floor of the united states senate that we can debate this. chris: we know comprehensive immigration reform, just as practical matter is going to go nowhere between now and 2020, why not specific niche changes, if you will, to deal with this explosion of people seeking asylum? >> chris, i'm going to disagree with you. if the president would support comprehensive immigration reform and work with democrats and republicans, we have the consensus to pass comprehensive immigration reform. the president doesn't want that to happen. we have to take up issues, i hope that we can get things accomplished. what we need is comprehensive immigration reform. secondly, you talk about more people talking to the border, we have to deal about the reasons why migrants are migrants in the first place and that is don't cut off the aid to central
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america, let us work to reduce the flow out of countries. chris: would you agree that there's a problem with asylum system where 3 quarters to have people who come in, they are given credible fear excuses, status, they are able to stay in the country for 2 years, there's an 800,000 backlog and then only 16% i guess it is, only 16% are actually granted asylum, do you think there's a problem with that? >> i would acknowledge that we have an immigration problem in this country, our immigration laws are not what they should be. asylum is a very important policy for america and it's a global value that we protect people that are in fear of their lives, so we need -- we want to lead asylum and we want to have orderly process and because we don't have orderly immigration process we find that asylum laws are not working the way they should. chris: let's get to mueller
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report, attorney general barr testified before congress this week and made quite a stir talking about the investigation of the trump campaign, here he is. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal, it's a big deal, yes, i think spying did occur. i am not saying that it was improper surveillance occurred, i'm saying that i am concerned about it and looking into it. chris: senator, do you agree that there should be a full investigation about fbi and other intelligence agencies acted in looking into the trump campaign in 2016 and then on into 2017? >> chris, what i think the american people want to see first is the release of the mueller report so that we can draw our own conclusions and do not have to rely on the conclusions of attorney general barr, whether it relates to the president's involvement, what russia did in our election or how the fbi handled the
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investigation. we need to see the full report. yes, there needs to be redactions as it relates to source information or sensitive information that has nothing to do with the president or these issues, but we need to see the report, you need to see the report, and the american people need to draw their own conclusions. so we are getting drips and drabs from the attorney general, let us take a look at the full report and then that's a fair question to ask. chris: well, okay, you're delayed by tuesday, so in the next 48 about how all investigations started into president trump, was there bias in the part of fbi agents, the fisa warrants, all kinds of stuff, isn't that a legitimate issue to be brought up as well? >> you say we will get the report in 48 hours, i will wait to see if we get the full report
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in 48 hours. i hope that we do. we then need to read the report and able to understand that. then i hope it tells us information more than we have today about russia's tactics of trying to influence our election so that we can protect ourselves against future attacks from russia, tells us exactly how the president and campaign were involved in this so we can draw our own conclusions and how the investigation was done. chris: let me ask you about this, let's assume and i think it's fair to assume that attorney general barr is not lying to the american people. he says that according to the mueller report, the special counsel said he found no collusion by the president with russia and nobody was indicted for that including any of the people around him, a lot of people had talked about and clearly didn't find overwhelming evidence or preponderance of evidence of obstruction. is that the best use of congress' time to continue to argue about something that the
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special counsel investigated for 2 years or should he be trying to solve the country's problems? >> i think mr. mueller was looking at a criminal standard beyond all reasonable doubt, so let's again take a look at the source document, he did say that there was clear evidence in regards to obstruction of justice. whether it reached the standard that it could be proved beyond all reasonable doubt is an issue that he, mr. mueller, did not draw conclusion. mr. barr did draw a conclusion. the american people need now to draw a conclusion. remember, the principal reason for this investigation is that russia attacked our democratic system in the 2016 elections. we need to take steps to prevent us, prevent this country from being attacked again and compromised by russia. this report is going to be very valuable so that we can take the appropriate steps. congress passed legislation. i was involved in drafting the legislation, i would hope that
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this report would give us additional blueprint of what we need to do to sure up protections in america but also understand how the trump campaign and mr. trump interacted with the russians. chris: senator cardin, thank you, please come back, sir. >> thank you, chris. chris: next up, we are bringing our sunday group to discuss disarray in dhs in battle over the border. plus the rise of mayor pete in the polls and his feud with vice president pence
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>> we are giving very strong consideration to having people after a 20 date time you're not allowed legally to hold them more than that we will move them into sanctuary cities. >> present trump confirming reports friday that he is thinking about a controversial plan to ship migrants detained at the border to democratic strongholds across the country. it's time now for our sunday
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group. the president of the liberal think tank. the battle for congress in the future of trumps america. rich, what you make of the president move this last couple of weeks on immigration whether it's the idea of the shipping immigrants to sanctuary cities closing the border. cleaning house. how much of it is real and how much of it is just showing the frustration. >> i think the idea of the shipping the migrants to sanctuary cities are more rhetorical. it's completely overwhelmed by the crisis at the border. it is underfunded as to begin with. to get the migrants to the sink's race cities.
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it is just implausible. it just goes to how the president is infuriated by the situation at the border and he should be the rules are completely insane. if you are a family unit from central america and you come here we basically waive you in and we are seen in a situation where over the course of next year 1% of the population could come to this country and be admitted. can be admitted. and that's crazy. he can't without congress acts scheme. >> in these specific minutes were talking about. we're talking about more policy than politics. to the degree that it does become an issue in the 2020 campaign. don't they have the same problem with immigration. they just don't have a plan. clearly they are to blame can blame the president. everything he is doing right now. it does not intend for anything to happen. >> there can have to say however they can to stop
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this. you have to have a policy that is get a stop at the crisis you just heard he talking about comprehensive immigration reform. if a specific problem now particularly with asylum. they don't have an answer. you get a seat democrats tried to pivot a lot on this. in my time covering this i have never seen republicans and democrats for their away from any kind of a deal small or large on immigration. >> let's turn to the jet demographic race. that is the rise of mayor pete booted it. take a look of things that came up this week. they are now in third place behind biden and bernie in bernie but ahead of warren and harris and beto.
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he's now making issue of his faith. >> they have made me a better man. he has moved me closer to god. christian, what is going on here. i think he is doing something very interesting which is recognizing that there is a large slice of the democratic primary electric that does not look like what they want. seen things that get democratic voters excited by reaching out to democrats who are people of faith. democrats who do come from the middle america small towns like south bend. and i think what you can see is this a primary be defined by viral motives. he has these moments and it sounds a little different and what you're normally expecting. they are the ones that let them fund raise very well.
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and help them have the boom lets in the poll. how seriously should democrats and all in all of us looking. how seriously should we take it. he is announcing today i think you are right. that they are looking for a unifying message they think that he is a pretty divisive figure. that actually does reach out to all parts of the party but even perhaps to the voters. i think he is a very serious candidate canada in the fact that he's real willing to defend on issues like fate. it's something that is it something that they are looking for. how reassured should he be that after all of the talk for a week or two that he is still
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in the front runner. >> i think it to how much they are looking at electability. there is a will wealth support of the vice president. and people feel very fondly within the party. i think as a nominee or candidate he's can actually had to talk about these things more and be on the stock. i think they feel pretty -- pretty positively about this. it's just one of what will be many surprises. this will be a completely wild ride. what he is trying to do is what he did circa 2008. the a progressive but do all you can to not be threatening to the other side. he has have some real good
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success with that. on the one hand and now mayor pete is kind of picking a fight with them which instantly the vice president said no we just got along fine. in terms of elevating his dna and credibility. >> it's interesting to contrast the way that he has handled his relationship versus the way the former vice president joe biden who got chastised by the democratic base for same i find vice president pentz to be a good guy. he have to walk that back. i do think that someone that may be indiana nice. there are limits as to what they will accept.
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and briefly what about the argument that i think some people make when it comes to joe biden this is a side point. >> i think he is can have a big issue. probably the most popular before he enters into the race. we are wondering. where is he. and you also had this ham-handed thing where he made his speeches and joked about i got permission to be touched. >> this is not a laughing matter and clearly he wanted to sidestep it. he went on twitter and he twitter and he can punch back against the president and that's when i do think he is so strong in the polls. >> we need to take a break here. what to look for in the mueller report when it's finally released this week. what would you like to ask the panel.
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apparently the special counsel they did not find that. there is a fear of overreach. and what they're going to do for the next several weeks. there was gonna be some big bombshell that didn't happen. i do think there is a little bit of concern that they're going to try overreach on this issue. i do think there is a little bit of concern that they're going to try overreach on this issue. just before the molar probe was handed over 70% of those surveyed said it made little to no difference what was actually in the report. given that how big of a deal
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you expect to be. if you are a supporter of the president you will save look, there is no collusion or obstruction. that certainly going to be the political flashpoint. now as white and the democrats who were the majority makers in the midterms. they are the reason why they are the speaker. i don't think it is a type of issue that swings voters. i don't think they will have any change in the poll numbers. i want to turn to the arrest of julian assigns. back when they published hundreds of thousands of
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sensitive classified documents some of which endangered people's lives conservatives generally condemned them. no longer. take a look. >> we defend the rights of people to publish for good reason. this is a case about punishing journalists. a journalist who revealed information devastating to what the united states has been doing. we ask you questions for questions for the panel and on the issue of julian asange. why is he being targeted for exposing the truth. >> i think of him more as a villain. he has been pop -- prosecuted for publishing.
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the publication is a separate issue. i think for this people that cite the bar report that essentially the russians did hack into the dnc. and therefore it was an unwitting agent of that. that made the actions that are good. at least these days. a lot of them are condemning them. >> i think it's wrong.
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when they were publishing democratic e-mails. during the 2016 campaign. and yes if you're being prosecuted for publishing this information there would be real first amendment issues. he has discharge with participating in the act of theft. >> i am a little surprised by it also. how do you explain it. >> it was really helpful to have those e-mails out. for lotta conservatives unfortunately that was enough. just to the disguise low. the reason why it ended up hold up for several years. was not that he was fleeing the united states government he was fleeing and -- a sexual assault charge. >> back in 2010 the polls showed about three quarters of republican saying that they viewed what he was doing as wrong. there has been whether it comes to julian assange for a
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moment in time democrats that he was public enemy number one. partisanship is a big driver here. the number one goal was not to provide information. it's worth noting. at the whole conspiracy that the trump administration is beholding to russia. they did not indict him. he was a cut out for cutout for russia during the campaign. >> i think what's really interesting here. he went a step further than any of us. what we've heard from members of congress they want to hear what he knows about russia.
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he may have a lot more information that we don't know yet. when you are just sane. is really important point. and you just head to recognize that there's a lot of information that we don't head. that's one of the reasons why the molar report should be public. it was about and the fact that they spent two years and did not find collusion. the issue is not evidence of obstruction. we do not know what evidence there is. >> on collusion it seems pretty clear that they did not find it. that is a criminal question. i think ultimately the public has to understand what happened here. >> they are coming through it and then is that is can release it.
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