will the u.s. intervene? >> military action is possible if that's what's required. >> we will discuss the failed uprising in venezuela and how its increasing tensions between the u.s. and russia when we sit down with secretary of state, mike pompeo. >> if everybody else did that, that would be considered a crime. chris: calls for resignation after testimony on mueller report, the ongoing battle between democrats and barr and new report of fbi spying on

trump campaign with congressman david, top member of house judiciary committee. we will ask about pushback on joe biden's comments on china from both the right and the left. and our power player of the week, melinda gates on the moment of lift for women. >> i'm not afraid to say what i believe and what i know to be true. chris: all right now on fox news sunday. first, failed uprising in venezuela as opposition leader juan guiado was unable to get the military to overthrow disputed president nicolás

maduro you reports north korea fired projectiles raising tensions between russia and pyongyang and russian president in the middle challenging the u.s. on both fronts. in a moment, we will discuss all this with the secretary of state mike pompeo, but first let's get the latest from kevin corke at the white house, kevin. >> chris, it remains unclear what the administration will do. but what is clear is speech comes comes with great sense of urgency. >> north korea's steat media showing kim jong un looking through venaculars and what appear to be short-range ballistic missile. provocation amid a new rift in the diplomatic relationship with the u.s.

a plan to oust maduro appeared to fizzle out this week as opposition leader juan guiado continue to garner the vocal support of both trump administration and that of millions of countrymen who have seen one prosperous economy fall desperately into ruin. guiado underestimated support within the military, he promised to continue his fight to get control hopefully with he said with the help of the u.s. president trump meanwhile as very good conversation with the president of russia this week, the two men discussing a number of topics, among them trade, nuclear proliferation as well as the ongoing crisis in caracas. >> speaking of caracas, guiado told the washington post he expects deflections in the military to force maduro from power.

we will see if that ultimately happens. he wouldn't rule out u.s. military assistance along side forces to ensure peaceful transfer of power, chris. >> kevin corke reporting from the white house, kevin, thank you. joining us now secretary of state mike pompeo, mr. secretary, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> chris, great to be with you this morning. chris: let's start with venezuela, on tuesday you and national security adviser john bolton were talking as if a coup in caracas was underway, take a look. >> they need to be able to act this afternoon or this evening to help bring other military forces to the side of the interim president. chris: what happened, was there an intelligence failure about whether or not some top venezuelan officials were going to flip on maduro? >> well, first of all, chris, there can't be a couplet by juan guido, he's the elected leader, dually elected through constitutional process, there couldn't have been a coup there.

the venezuela people struggle for democracy continues, we have made very clear that maduro must lead, there's no way that you can have free and fair elections with maduro still inside of that country, and we've made very clear not only in the united states but 50 plus nations support juan guiado and national assembly and efforts to beat back the horrific conditions that -- i was on the border and i watched women carrying babies across the border. they didn't want to leave the country, they needed to make decisions to feed their children the second day or third day. our effort -- chris: ousting coup, whatever, why didn't it happen? maduro still in power. >> he is, things take time. chris: why did we think it was going to happen on tuesday but didn't happen? >> we know it's going to happen. chris, i'm not going to talk about the various conversations taken place, we continue to work

with leaders down there. the lima group continues to work with leaders on the ground, the organization continues to work with leaders on the ground, if you think about where this country was 90 days ago, the venezuelan people should be very proud, much closer to having democracy restored and having country back on track than they were 90 days ago. >> for weeks you and bolton have talked about and called russian interference in venezuela, here you are. >> they love to get effective control in the country in the hemisphere, it's good-old fashion power politics. >> we've told russians and cubans that's unacceptable. chris: friday president trump talked with russian president vladimir putin about venezuela. >> not looking at all to get involved in venezuela other than he'd like to see something positive happen for venezuela. chris: so which is it, is putin propping up a dictator in our

own backyard or putin looking for something in venezuela? >> the president has been very clear, he said in a tweet several weeks ago, the russians have to get out, that remains our view, we want the venezuelan people not to have interference not from any country, whether it's china, russia, you have iranians on the ground in venezuela. we know about the long history, a couple thousand cuban thugs essentially controlling the country today. the united states wants all other countries out and the venezuelan people to assert democracy, we are confident that we will achieve that. i can't tell you what day but it will happen. russia is very involved, the wagner group, private-russian military force in venezuela, putin has sent top military officials to venezuela, what are you going to tell, you're going to be meeting with russian foreign minister lavrov

tomorrow, what are you going to tell him? >> what the president told the world, that every country needs to get out including russians. we don't want anyone messing around with venezuela, sovereign state, democratic-elected officials, this is what we desire for the venezuelan people, that's what i will talk with him about and travel onto germany and to the united kingdom. we will work with them to achieve this objective. chris: the mueller report that came out has completely cleared the president when it comes to collusion with the russians as to the kremlin, however, it said this, the russian government interfered in 2016 election in sweeping and systematic fashion, but here is how president trump described his talk with putin on friday about 2016 and about possible meddling in 2020. take a look. >> he actually sort of smiled when he said something to the effect that it started off as a mountain and ended up being a

mouse. we didn't discuss that. chris: why doesn't the president get tough with putin about what everyone seems to agree is clear meddling in 2016 and the threat of meddling in 2020? >> chris, this administration has been tougher on russia than any of its predecessor administration, i can go through the list but there's not time in the show to talk about all the things we've done. largest defense build-up, the list is long, chris, and so for you to suggest that somehow we haven't taken election interference seriously, we do, we continue to work on it. we continue to make sure that every election is as safe as it can possibly be, the department of homeland security, intelligence agency all working to not only ensure 2018 was successful, we were, 2020 will continue to be successful. we take seriously the threat of election interference from every country, russia included. chris: i guess what i'm asking and i take your point because in terms of specific policies the

u.s. -- >> chris, i don't get your point. chris: let me -- >> i'm confused. chris: let me -- >> the administration that has been tougher on russia than any predecessor and you continue to be fixated on something that robert mueller wrote down. chris: i'm not fixated on robert mueller, the president's conversation with vladimir putin and he doesn't mention meddling in 2020 and the question i'm asking, i think it's a legitimate one, a lot of people are asking, sir, why not? >> i talked to leaders all of the time who cover broad-range of subjects, sometimes conversations aren't long enough to include every issue that might be brought up. ly let the white house talk about what the president said in remarks but no one should misunderstand from your question today, your viewers should not be misled. this administration has taken threat of interference and will continue to do so. chris: yesterday north korea called what it is calling

short-range projectiles, but the question is and let's put these up on the screen, were they, in fact, north korea's new short-range ballistic missiles and if so, did they violate north korea's moratorium on missile test? >> the launches and there were several were short range, i don't want to say exactly how long we are still work to go ensure we have the data right. we have high confidence that they were not long-range missile or intercontinental missiles but we want to put larger context, we still have every intention of negotiating a good resolution with north korea to get them to to denuclearize. i have extended negotiating hand and we heard back from them, i extended my hand and want to continue to work towards

peaceful negotiation fully verified in north korea. chris: were they in fact, those that we put in the screen the new north korean short-range missile. >> i didn't see the list on the screen, i will make the department of defense make announcements. i can tell you we have ruled out with certainty. chris: do you see it as violating missile test? >> we will have to take a look. we know our objective, the moratorium was focused on intercontinental systems, the ones that threaten the united states for sure. chris: north korean wanted to continue talks, have gone after you recently, they said you have, mean character, replaced by someone more careful and mature in communicating with us and you talk about changing your talk about changing passive diplomacy fails, their quote, sir, not mine is stupid and dangerous, i guess the question

i have is, the president says even in a tweet, the deal will happen. it sure seems like diplomacy between u.s. and north korea is in trouble. >> it always seems that way until it's successful. that's what the north korean comments, the immaturity thing, i'm not so sure about. the rest i will let the world decide. chris: there was a moment to this conversation where i thought mean would be correct. >> fair enough. the president gets to choose who negotiators are. he's leading the effort. we want to maximize the possibility, keep open to the extent possible that we can achieve and we are working to do that. chris: i have a couple of minutes left. there's been outburst of rocket fires on gaza, israel is responding with air strikes, is this just the normal outburst that we see across border or

pretty serious? >> the number is over 400 rockets that we can validate, the israelis have every right to defend themselves. i have seen video, strikes at home, rockets. >> fired with civilians around them in order to protect from return fire, this is terrible, israelis have every right to protect sovereignty of the nation and i hope that we can protect to the cease fire that had been placed for weeks and had been holding significantly before this. chris: pentagon issued report this week that china is making tremendous progress in replacing the u.s. as the preempt -- preeminent leader, but former vice president biden said this this week. >> china is going to eat our lunch, come on, man, they're not bad folks, folks, guess what,

they're competition for us. chris: does former vice president biden know something that you don't? >> seems a little disconnected from the reality that's china today, maybe when he ran for president the first time this was the situation but it's certainly not today, china poses enormous challenge to the united states of america, i agree ultimately america will prevail. i'm confident of that, we should bet on our nation, but it's going to take serious concerted effort, president that's prepare today push back on whether that would be trade, intellectual property, we need president that can protect america against the challenge that is china presents. chris: secretary pompeo, thank you, thanks for your time, always good to talk with you, sir, safe travels. >> thank you, sir. chris: up next president trump says the white house with all subpoenas and democrats holding in contempt, we will talk to the

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congress? >> well, good morning, chris, good to be with you, the chairman of the committee conveyed to the attorney general additional compromises and said, you know, produce all of the documents but prioritize those that are referenced in the report, give us an opportunity to see unredacted version and gave until tomorrow morning at 9:00 o'clock to produce the document, there has not been a compliance yet, we obviously have to wait till the morning to see if the attorney general will comply, i think if the attorney general does not the chairman will ask committee to move forward with a contempt citation, chairman has been patient, tried to accommodate the attorney general in every way, the members of the committee need to see report and supporting documents so we can do work and conduct have over sight in responsible way and i hope the attorney general will comply. chris: back in 2012 when house republicans were a majority they voted on the house floor to hold then attorney general eric holder in contempt of congress

for failing to turn over documents in the fast and furious case, you walked off the house floor in protest explaining, quote, i decline to participate in these political gains which you called an abuse of power, congressman, aren't you and democrats now involved in the same political gains? >> they're quite difference, chris, in that instance the white house had indicated it would produce all the documents and the attorney general said the same, the republicans nonetheless wanted to go forward with contempt citation close to an election, i thought it would be politically advantageous, is they're very different circumstances. mr. barr says i'm going the produce the documents and not go forward with contempt. chris: that eric holder hadn't turned over, they wanted them to testify and he didn't testify, the point is kind of the same,

the attorney general refused to answer requests from the house and the house voted in contempt and in one case you said it was abuse of power and the other you will support it. >> no, attorney general holder did testify before congress and the white house did indicate intention to turn over the documents that the republicans sought, despite that assurance they wanted to move forward with contempt. in this case we don't have that assurance from attorney general. mr. barr has refused to furnish the documents or come before the committee. if mr. barr agrees to turn over what we requested in a reasonable way, no one is committed in moving forward with contempt. we want the information so we can do the work and oversight that our committee is required to do. chris: attorney general barr declined to testify before your committee this week after your panel insisted that he answer questions from staff lawyers in addition to members of congress, i have a question, when was the last time that a house committee

demanded that staff lawyers interrogate a cabinet secretary. >> well, i think the last congress was probably during -- it happened in the senate with dr. ford, i mean, the fact is the house rules, the committee decides how we will collect that. chris: let's go back. in terms of direct answer to my question, it was in 1987 which is -- >> i stand corrected. i'm sorry, there were a number of witness that is were examined during the clinton e-mail inquiry. director of the fbi. chris: i can tell you we asked

the house judiciary committee, they said the last time that a house committee demanded that staff lawyers talk to a cabinet secretary was 1987 during iran, that was 32 years, the kristin case was different. secondly she was interviewed by a woman because of the fact that republicans didn't want all-male panel to have men questioning her. so only two case that is we could find were iran and watergate, that's the question, congressman, wasn't this an effort by house judiciary committee to make the russia investigation seem as bad and as serious as iran contra and watergate? >> that's not the purpose of asking for staff attorneys for questioning. it's been done to a lot of businesses. i don't think it's cabin secretary or lay witness.

the committee has right to collect evidence that is appropriate. he's master at evading and you have 5 minutes, you sometimes can't dig deep enough and really get and have follow-up questions, so we decided it would be much more useful to get the evidence with a staff council having extended period of time to follow up and really drill down so the attorney general couldn't evade questions as we saw him in the senate. what people should be asking, why is the attorney general afraid to come before house rush -- judiciary, what is he hiding, that's the real question. why does -- chris: willing to testify before the committee was just this particular condition. >> chris, you to ask why, what is it about that? >> it hadn't happened in 32 years. if i might ask you another question just to follow up, the question now is what is the house going to do about all this, here is what attorney

general barr said when he testified before congress last month. >> reports have emerged recently, general, that members of team are frustrated at some level with limited information included in your march 24th letter, do you know what they're referencing with that? >> i think -- i think, i suspect that they probably wanted more put out. chris: but after we learned this week that, in fact, special counsel robert mueller had written long before that testimony just after the release of the attorney general summary to barr complaining about his summary, here was the reaction from house speaker nancy pelosi. >> he lied to congress. he lied to congress and if anybody else did that, that would be considered a crime. >> you are on the record assaying the house should be

prepared to imprison people held in contempt of congress, are you really serious that you will go down and arrest the attorney general? >> well, what i'm serious about, chris, congress has the absolute responsibility to collect evidence to compel the presence of witnesses to testify under oath, if the executive branch can prevent us from during that, we have to take in deadly serious way. we have several ways to enforce subpoena. first to engage someone in contempt and proceedings, congress has authority to judge people in contempt and there's 1821 and 1935 supreme court decision that recognizes congress' right to do that in both cases individuals were taken into custody pending compliance with subpoena. it, of course, should never come to that. we expect the attorney general to honor subpoena when properly served and we will fully enforce that, but the reality is we have to have access to this information.

this is essential to oversight responsibilities and it is not up to the executive branch to decide what they want to give us, our constitution requires. chris: i have a couple of final questions, there have been new reports that week about alleged surveillance, some would call it spying by the fbi on the trump campaign, turns out that a new person in the fbi or the justice had actually met with george papadopoulos, continuing questions about the steele dossier, attorney general barr said he will investigate the origins of how this whole trump-russia investigation began. don't you think in the interest of fairness that your committee and congress should investigate that as well? >> well, it's layed out in mueller report in pretty significant detail, more than 140 contacts between trump campaign and russian officials, people connected to wikileaks, we know how the investigation began, what we ought to be focusing on is protecting america from an attack by a foreign adversary of our democracy and while we are doing

that chris, it's important to note, we are doing the oversight work, but we should not forget the democrats ran on an agenda for the people of this country to drive down healthcare costs, particularly cost of prescription drugs, raise family income, focus on rebuilding infrastructure and root out corruption, that's why we passed hr1, significant since watergate. we passed universal background checks, we have gone to work on prescription drugs, we will get the work done for the american people but we are also going to do oversight and protect our democracy and hold people accountable. chris: finally, congressman, the house judiciary committee, your committee is reportedly in talks with special counsel robert mueller about testifying before your committee, in fact, has he agreed to testify and has a date been set? >> a tentative date of may 15th, we hope the special counsel will appear, the american people have right to hear directly from him.

chris: let me interrupt because we are running out of time? chris: has special counsel agree today that date? >> well, i think counsel for the special -- the representative of special counsel has but obviously until the date comes we never have an absolute guaranty, the white house is so far indicated they would not interfere with mr. mueller's attempts to testify, we hope that won't change. chris: congressman, thank you, thanks for joining us, always good to talk with you, sir. >> thanks. chris: up next sunday group we will discus why democrats are suddenly targeted attorney general barr, are they afraid of what he'll discover about the trump-russia investigation? plus what would you like to ask the panel about president trump's decision to ignore house subpoena, just go to facebook, fox news sunday and we may use your questions on air.

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activities over summer 2016. chris: attorney general serious about investigating what led to the fbi probe of russia and the trump campaign. time now for sunday group. fox news senior political analysts bret hugh, charles lane from the washington post, marie, cohost of benjamin on fox news radio, we've missed you, attorney general barr seems to become a big target this week for a lot of democrats after we learned just before his testimony before that committee that robert mueller had sent a letter complain to go him about his summary just after he issued it to congress, to what degree, do you think that attacks on barr are really about the fact that he's serious about investigating the origins of the

trump-russia investigation. >> i think that barr is the latest target because that's all they've got right now, critics, the people who flamingly wrong on trump collaboration with russia in the campaign have now turned fire on barr and his characterizations of what was in the mueller report because that's what they do, this kind of character assassination that they are trying is common tactic. i don't think that they're looking ahead to what they suspect might be the outcome of inquiries into the investigation and worrying about that, that's too complicated. the democrats and the left aren't happy that he will look into that. but i don't think that's the real basis of it. they are doing this to barr because it's what they do. chris: marie, i want to pick up

on that, particularly the last part, rich environment to investigate this because conservatives seem to think that that's going to turn out to be the real scandal here, fbi and other intelligence agency overreach and perhaps even clinton campaign collusion with the russians in terms of financing the russia dossier. >> certainly a lot of conspiracy theories on the right about the investigation but when william barr asked in testimony point-blank, do you have any evidence of my wrongdoing in this investigation barr said, no, he said he had questions and he wanted answered, the question isn't evidence, there's political pressure on the right for him to do so and i'm happy for him to do so. i would love all the fights to be out, what we saw in mueller report and what we will see when the investigation is looked into is that there were dozens and dozens between russians, russian intelligence-linked organizations and individuals and americans, they may not

amount to conspiracy or criminal collusion but they were coming to the fbi and intelligence community in 2016 worthy being looked into from national security perspective and counterintelligence investigation if you dig into it, i'm totally comfortable with people doing that because i think it was warranted and the conspiracy theory on the right will not be borne out by the evidence. chris: karl, are you as confident, a number of investigations, you have the inspector general, john hubert who we never hear from and we have bill barr, are you as convinced as marie that there's no there there in terms of investigating. >> john hugar was appointed by barack obama. i think they are going to find things, absolutely, do i think it's worthy looking at it, russian involvement in the election, why is it that no

democrat seems to be concerned about the fact that democratic national committee funneled money, hiring christopher steel to call buddies in moscow, got any dirt on trump, this ought to worry any american, we should -- talk about the conspiracy theories on the left have been blown to pieces by the mueller report. no evidence of conspiracy or collusion, however, we don't have that same assurance yet on the clinton campaign and hiring of christopher steele and what i think is going to turn out attempt by russians to influence the election by spreading disinformation about donald trump. >> well, i think this conversation shows that whatever comes out of these investigations isn't going to settle the dispute to everyone's satisfaction. i would flag the michael horowitz investigation, he has done one that's critical of

peter strzok, andrew mccabe. chris: this was about the hillary clinton investigation and how that was conducted. >> correct, part 2 or phase 2 now i take it the investigation, the fisa warrant, i don't believe -- i don't believe the democrats are doing what they are doing now to distract. i think they have another agenda which is the alternative to impeachment, high-pressure investigation, but i'm not sure they are going to like the results of what horowitz comes up with. chris: then fight with democrats who are issuing the subpoenas for more documents and for more trump advisers to testify and the white house saying, no, here was the president on that. >> i have been probably the person that's given more to a so-called investigation than anyone ever in the history of this country. i have allowed lawyers to be

interviewed. i could have used presidential privilege. chris: we ask you for questions of the panel and on this specific issue we got this from shannon on facebook, how many subpoenas did obama and clinton ignore, how do you answer shannon and just generally, who do you think has the the higher ground both legally and politically on whether the president has to respond to all subpoenas for documents and for members of his administration current or former to go up and testify especially somebody like former white house counsel don mcgann. >> i think that's where we are. we've had this disputes before going back decades and what normally happens, chris, eventually the parties agree release of materials or testimony by the administration officials that both sides can -- can accept, for example, now we are having a fight over whether the whole mueller report with all -- all the redactions remove which had are very few to begin

with and all the supporting material will be turned over to congress, you know, that ought to be able to be worked out and despite over all subpoena for testimony and so forth, that ought to be worked out too, both sides seem dug in. it's not entirely to me this that's this will get worked out in the way that it does and then the question becomes how does the american public react post mueller report to the continuing pursuit of these issues and, you know, we don't know the answer but my suspicion is that public is losing patience. chris: i have less than a minute left and i want to pick up on that point, marie, when you talk to democrats, they get questions about real-pocket issues, they don't get questions about trump and impeachment and executive privilege, is there a danger for democrats, you heard siciline talk about aggressive agenda and

here in washington, it's not what you're hearing, it's all about investigation. >> i think you have to do both here because donald trump has blown up the normal way of doing things in washington on every level and to brit's point how this would normally get worked out is some sort of compromise, i'm not sure donald trump will ever do that and if they set precedent that they can you can ignore subpoenas over and over again, the american people will have to say if they don't have nothing to hide, why don't they just come answer questions, that's why we gave democrats control of the house in 2018. chris: why don't they move to something else. anyway, panel, we have to take a break, vice president biden positions himself as blue-collar antitrump but will the booming economy undercut biden's 2020 ambition

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>> 2 trillion-dollar tax cut, did you feel it? of course not, of course not. all it did it went to folks on the top. chris: former vice president biden attacking trump's policy to working-class americans in pittsburgh this week and we are back now with the panel, karl, washington post fact-checker say that is biden is wrong, of course, people, the wealthy who pay the most get biggest tax cuts but according to tax policy center, let's put this up, 82% of people making between 50 and $75,000 got tax cuts averaging almost a thousand dollars apiece. so can biden made the argument as he seemed to be there, maybe they did but they don't, quote, feel it.

>> it's not particularly strong argument, 3.8 unemployment, lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, lowest among african americans and latino and most interesting of all, wages increasing over the last 2 years with the people, working people getting their wages up 25% more than their supervisors unlike the previous 5 years with president obama where supervisors got 40% more and wage increases and working people underneath them, strong economy, hard for bide on the make the kind of arguments that he seemed to be trying to make on money particularly this outrageous comment he made this week about china where it seemed like he's completely unconnected of the modern world. chris: as karl was suggesting, the debate over the economy comes -- we just got numbers on friday for april, you said 3.8, you're not quite right, let's put numbers on the screen, employers added 263,000 jobs and

unemployment fell to 3.6%. >> my mistake. chris: there you go. the lowest in 50 years which raises the question, chuck, how the democrats, just generally, forget joe biden, how do they run against the president when his economy, the economy that he's presiding over is doing so well. >> yes, even karl can't keep up with the numbers. [laughter] >> i really do think there's no way to deny that the economy is in great shape, in fact, when -- when joe biden -- the other thing he said the stock market, you don't feel that, even that's not quite true because so many people have 401(k)'s and unions are vested in pensions and they are being held by higher stock market, i think the democrats, you know, are just in a no-win position on that because in a weird way they are in a position for rooting for a recession to make political chances better, they have to win their election

on other grounds. chris accuracy other than the economy? >> trump sun fit to be president, et cetera, et cetera, by the way, you know, trump -- picture a different behaving president with the same economic numbers, his reelection wouldn't even be in doubt. he's keeping himself in jeopardy, pardon the expression -- [laughter] >> let me just say you should read chuck lane's comment of jeopardy. >> one last thing to be made. chris: yes, sir. >> presidential approval and reelection are increasingly disconnected from the condition of the economy, it's much more straight partisan judgment than it has been in the past. >> that's precisely the point. these numbers on the economy and the general sense situation in the country and the world, this president ought to have approval rating in the high 50's or low 60's and he can't get out of the 40's on approval rating, the reason is that he does this stuff all of the time and says

this stuff all of the time and acts such a way to offend people and the truth is it shouldn't or wouldn't be that hard for him to stop doing that stuff, but he can't and he's -- the only time i can remember actually doing that was in the final -- in closing weeks of the campaign in 2016 when he stopped twitter basically and campaigned in all the right places and did smart things and won the election. but most of the time, he seems to go out of his way to try to make people crazy. >> all you have to do is stop that and would be better off, can he do that, i doubt that. >> 54.6 approve, 41 disapprove. overall approval 43.8 to 53.1. now having said that, remember this, at this point -- well n october of 2011 barack obama's reelection was 38 reelected, generic republican 46, today donald trump is 41 reelection,

democrat 48. so roughly where obama was at this point slightly earlier than this, the same rule could apply, can he disqualify the 2020 democratic nominee as barack obama disqualified mitt romney. chris: let me bring in marie in here, there's a lot of democrats, maybe overall numbers are good but when you talk about can you afford health insurance, can you afford tuition, the kind of jobs that people are getting behind 3.6%, case to be made against the trump economy. >> that's right, and put health care in the same bucket, when you talk about tariffs, tariffs of having still impact to this day because he can't wrap up these trade wars, i also think that they don't sell their own economic news, the fact that a lot of people don't think they benefited from the tax bill, it still polls pretty negatively, they are not selling that. so president trump can certainly win reelection, that is true,

but i don't think he can do it based on the economy alone. democrats are going to make this a moral contest, ethical contest, sometimes economic news isn't enough and there are still a lot of people hurting whether it's health care, whether it's education, and the president to brit's point i do not think can find the discipline within him. we have never seen him be able to do that. chris: let me say this because i've had the opportunity to sit with the president, he does say i'm president and you're not, 72 millionaire and it's not easy to tell him how to perform. >> does not seem yet to be emerging in the democratic field, anybody who might be an obvious winner. chris: in the polls some of the guys are leading i understand. >> i understand that, biden comes out of the box and goes up in the polls and raises a bunch of money and so forth and next thing you know he's saying dumb stuff on television and this is the story of joe biden, but the

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chris: giving more than $45 million in grants to fight poverty and disease around the world and support education in the u.s.

now, she has written the moment of lift how empowering women changes the world. >> you say you feel rage about some of the injustice rage about what? >> rage that we hold them down in so many ways. chris: cutting off access to contraception. >> is our greatest in high poverty tool ever. one woman in space and time the birth of her pregnancies is not only healthier, children are healthier, family, kids are better educated and wealthier. chris: another big issue for gates, unpaid work. in the u.s. she says women do 90 minutes more unpaid for today than men do, taking care of the family. >> over the course of a woman's lifetime around the world it is seven years of her life. i think every man woman can imagine what they might do with seven more years of their life.

chris: it has been tough for gates, stepping up front and pushing a personal issue like for control especially for someone raised catholic. >> i was terrified to go out and speak about this but somebody had to do it. at the end of the day it also had to be a woman. chris: you are famously private about your own life and how hard is it to open up about your marriage and your kids? >> very. chris: gates talks about unpaid work in her own family and convincing her husband to share in driving their first daughter, 45 minutes each way, to kindergarten. >> a mom came up to me and said to see change here and i said yeah, there are a lot of dads coming into the classroom and doing drop off. we went home and said by gosh if bill gates can do it and he is the ceo of microsoft you can do it to their husbands. chris: then there was cleaning up after dinner. >> everyone peeled away and i said no one leaves the kitchen

until mom leaves the kitchen and i kept thinking by that the bill can go to his desk and i can't the kids can start their homework is it my work just as important? chris: he acknowledges their plan of money for divers and housekeepers but says to make sure her children understand the real world they need to live in it. you are 54 years old and been married now for 25 years and have just written your first book so how would you describe this chapter in your life? >> i'm not afraid to say what i believe and what i know to be true. i had about of perfectionism i've had to work on taking do i know enough to speak my truth but after you have traveled and seen what i've seen you know you know enough. chris: forbes magazine writes melinda gates as the most powerful woman in philanthropy putting her at number six in its list of the worlds most powerful women.

that's it for today, have a great week. we will see you next "fox news sunday". logo e fox news channel. we'll be back at 4:00 p.m. eastern with more news. paul: welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul gigot. attorney general william barr appearing this week at one of two scheduled hearings on capitol hill, testifying before the senate judiciary committee about his handling of special counsel robert mueller's report. barr's testimony wednesday was preceded by the leak of a letter from mr. mueller from march 27th complaining that the attorney general's four-page memo to congress outlining the main conclusions of the mueller report quote, did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this office's work and conclusions. barr addressed mueller's letter in a subsequent phone call with the special counsel in