♪ muck. ♪ ♪ >> today we honor all of the brave american and indian military service members when who work together to safeguard our freedom. we stand proudly in defense of liberty, and we are committed to protecting innocent civilians from the threat of radical islamic terrorism. laura: president trump speaking today in houstoning during a joint event with end grab prime minister modi -- indian prime minister modi, both leaders touting the relationship. we'll bring you back to "fox news sunday" in just a moment. leland: john roberts is in for

chris wallace. i'm leland vittert with this breaking news, president trump and the prime minister, not only were they in lock job step during their -- lockstep during their speeches, but they walked in and out of the event hand if hand. kevin corke now as things wrap with up in houston and, ken, you and i noted in this not only was there this warm relationship of words, there was this warm physical relationship between the two, and this is a different relationship than president trump has with almost any other foreign leader. >> reporter: very astute observation and understand that this is a president who is, for lack of a better description, leland, all about business, right? and so this idea of creating an environment where the united states and india can do more business, do more security cooperation and, quite frankly, end happens the ties between -- ene happens the ties between our two countries is something he's not only talked about at great length, as you pointed out, you given to see and even feel when

you see the two leaders together. we've seen it play out at the white house. but today was of particular note here in texas which has, as you know, leland, a very large indian-american diaspora. and so for him to come here, 50,000 plus here inside nrg stadium and not just to hear the prime minister, but also to hear the president, i think, is something the president will long remember and probably something he'll be talking about for quite some time. of. leland: real quick, kevin, what do you make of this trip by president trump to texas which conceivably might be in play for 2020 talking about indian-american investment, and then he said in there a $500 million investment by an indian company into a steel factory in ohio. doubtful all of those are -- [inaudible] >> reporter: no. and if you listen carefully to the speeches when you and i cover the rallies, there's almost always a note about ohio or about texas or about north carolina or pennsylvania.

that's not by accident. i think it was important though to mention that the president wants to make sure that this is not just a red state in 2020, but that it's a red state for quite some time to come. and by really diving into, i think frankly, a population that has not been targeted, frankly, by the major parties at least to any great extent is probably a pretty shrewd move. laura: kevin, laura here jumping in. you know, this is being described as a rare mass show of sport for a foreign leader on u.s. soil. when we take a look at the demographic and the numbers in texas of indian-americans, roughly four million in the country and 300,000 indian-american citizens are in the houston, dallas region. so, obviously, something very important to both leaders, and it looked as though the reception was warm for both. >> reporter: it was really quite something to watch, and i think when you and i sort of play this back not just in our minds, but look back on this particular event, this will be something that's going to be

talked about because this is a deal maker perhaps between the president and a very large and growing community. laura? laura: all right, kevin corke will continue to follow the president's movements through the next two hours, of course, as he is moving on to ohio here shortly. leland: talking about another deal there. laura: and we have broken into "fox news sunday." we're going to join it in progress with john roberts who's in for chris wallace. thanks for being with us today on fox news. >> for now, back to you. item john kevin corke, thanks very much. the president with an afternoon event with scott morrison, the prime minister of australia as well. kevin ors we'll see you soon, thanks. joining me now from new york is the secretary of state, mike pompeo. welcome back to "fox news sunday. >> it's great to be with you. john: mr. secretary, earlier in the week you said the attack was, quote, an about of war, and you said that iran was definitely behind it. when you say something is an act of war, does that demand,

ultimately, a military response? >> well, john, our mission set's been very clear. president trump would like to have a diplomatic solution. that's the task that's in front of us, that's what we've been aiming for for a little over two years now with the strongest sanctions that have ever been put in place against this revolutionary regime. john, you know the history, 40 years of terror from iran. it's an anti-semitic set of leaders that would like to wipe israel and america from the face of the earth. our mission set is to avoid war. you saw what the secretary announced on friday, we're putting additional forces in the region for the purpose of defense and defense -- deterrence and defense, to support the iranian people so that they can get this regime to cease behaving in a way that is so destructive not only to their own country, but to the entire middle east. john: mr. secretary, there are reports this morning that houthi militants in yemen have warned both saudi arabia and the united states that iran may be planning another attack in saudi arabia. is that true?

>> i've certainly seen that reporting, and i won't talk about american intelligence and what we know, but suffice it to say we're consistently concerned iran will continue to behave in the way it has -- 40 years. they continue to act in ways that are inconsistent with their obligations. i'm here this week at the united nations, i traveled to abu dhabi this week. the whole world understands that iran is the bad actor. they are the evil force in the region. they are destabilizing in the middle east, and i hope here in new york the whole world will push back against this and convince the iranian leadership that this behavior's simply unacceptable. john: that may be a tough hill to climb, yes? >> i think there's a handful of countries that are supportive of iran. certainly up willing to push back. but it's the case, it's the world's responsibility to respond from the state-on-astronaut acts of war that took place in saudi arabia this past week. john: if iran were to launch

inform middle of all of this another attack against saudi arabia, would the united states have any other option but to respond militarily? >> john, unlike the previous administration, we do our best to avoid talking about what we will do. but the american people should know just like the iranian people should know america's prepared to respond in ways that are consistent with america's national security interests. our first goal is the keep the american people safe and secure and make sure we have all the things in place so that we can do that. john: many military and foreign policy experts, even members of the president's own support group, believe that in calling off the retaliatory strike in response to that drone shootdown at the last minute, the president signaled to iran that there are no consequences for its malign activities. what do you say to that criticism? >> first of all, there have been consequences, real consequences. the iranian economy will shrink between 0-15% in the -- 10-15%, and we took a handful of

reactions, some of which i can't talk about here, so there were certainly consequences. the iranians aren't looking for a green light. they have behaved poorly for 40 years, and so it's not the case that any particular response has allowed the iranians to think they have freedom to move about the cabin. i assure you of this, the iranian leadership understands four square that president trump will take appropriate action and impose if appropriate costs on iran if they continue to act in the way that they've done over these past now 40 years. john: you mentioned, mr. secretary, at the begin offing of in the sanctions that president trump put on iran on friday. the said they were at the highest level. if these sanctions don't work, what's next? what's left? >> well, they are working, john. [laughter] the toughest of the sanctions, the essential ban on iran's ability to sell its crude oil around the world -- john: but what i mean is if they don't work to bring iran to the table. >> as secretary esper said on friday night, we're prepared to act in ways that are necessary

in order to achieve the outcome president trump has clearly laid out. i talked about it a year ago in may, we know what the objectives are. john: mr. secretary, is it possible that if there were a retaliatory military strike against iran that it would be able to be contained or would it, as zarif and the iranian revolutionary guard council have warned, erupt into all-out conflagration in the middle east which would likely involve u.s. bases in the region and likely involve israel? >> we're certainly deeply aware of the risks, that's why we want to resolve this in a way that doesn't resort to key kinetic an if at all possible. as for zarif, i don't know why anyone listens to him. he has nothing to do with iranian foreign policy, he lies all the time. we need to protect and secure america and do our best to provide our resource toes not emirates and the saudis who i had a chance to speak to on my trip so they have the increased ability to defend themselves and

their own people. when we do those things, i'm confident we will have set the conditions for deterrence, and if that should continue to fail, i'm also confident president trump will take the actions necessary. john: all right. we will see what happens at the united nations general assembly this week. we still don't know the exact substance of the whistleblower complaint, but it does seem to resolve around a july 25th conversation the president had with the president of ukraine. and we have herald reporting -- heard reporting that the president asked zelensky to have the ukraine work with his attorney, rudy giuliani, to investigate joe biden and his son hunter biden's involvement in barisma holdings, a ukrainian natural gas company. to your mind, is that an appropriate conversation for rudy giuliani to be having with you -yard ukrainian officials? >> you're asking me to comment on reporting i have no idea if it has any foundation whatsoever.

[laughter] as for appropriate action, i've watched the president engaging with the ukrainian leadership, i've listened to conversations. i remember the private administration refusing to send weapons systems to ukraine, this president's done that three times so that the ukrainian people could fight back against the overtaking of southeast ukraine. you remember it was the previous administration that allowed vladimir putin to take one-fifth of the ukrainian country. we're going to see president zelensky this week. i do hope that if vice president biden engaged in conduct inappropriate, had an interest that allowed something to take place in the crew crane, i do hope that we get to the bottom of that. john: mr. secretary, you said you have not seen the complaint, not many people have. i assume, though, that you have seen a transcript of the telephone call that the president had with zelensky. should a transcript be released to clear the air? >> i'll leave that to white house. as you know, john, those are private conversations between

world leaders, and it's not often that those are released, and when they're done, when the white house deems it appropriate. and i'll leave whether that should be released to them. john: again, i assume that you've seen the transcript. is it as described in the "wall street journal"? [laughter] >> i haven't seen "the wall street journal" piece, john. there's a lot going on in the world. john: right. the whistleblower complaint reportedly alleges a quid pro quo or a promise made to a foreign leader. "the wall street journal" reports there was no evidence of a quid pro quo in that call with zelensky. was there a quid pro quo, was there a request to in the biden and/or his son, and was that linked to a promise of aid? >> john, i've watched this president evaluate how and when and to the extent we should provide support to ukraine, but defense systems and other foreign assistance we've been at the center of that. those conversations have always been 100% appropriate, 900% lawful -- 100% lawful and 100%

insuring that the american tax payers were protected with good outcomes in ukraine when we used taxpayers' dollars to support the -- john: if there was a quid pro quo, would that be a problem? [laughter] >> you're asking me to give legal analysis on a hypothetical on a report i haven't seenment come on. john: if an american leader says to a foreign leader we will do this in exchange for this, is that a problem? >> i don't john, it's the case e with foreign assistance that is evaluated against foreign objectives consistently, it's my duty to protect america by making sure that when foreign assistance is provided to cups that america benefit from that. it's completely appropriate to make sure that american taxpayer dollars are used appropriately. john: do you believe there should be an investigation into hunter biden's involvement with the ukrainian gas company?

>> i'll leave that to others, but i think it's appropriate if there's concerns and enough information to justify looking into it, the people deserve to know if that was handled in an appropriate way by vice president biden. john: mr. secretary, are you ruling out a run for the senate from kansas? >> i've said the same thing for a long time, as long as president trump's going to have me as secretary of state, that's what i'm going to continue to do. john: i'm just wondering if you have aspirations for the senate. >> i want to be president trump's secretary of state. john: see you later on in new york. >> thank you, sir. jon: coming up, rudy giuliani joins us live in washington on that whistleblower complaint as impeachment talk amplifies. ♪ ♪

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john: sewer actions between president trump, rudy giuliani and the president of ukraine under dispute after a whistleblower report. potentially influencing the 2020 race. joining me here live in washington to talk more about this is mr. trump's personal attorney, rudy giuliani. welcome back. how are you? thanks for joining us. dial the clock back to thursday, play this exchange between now and chris cuomo on cnn in which you appeared to at first say you didn't ask ukraine to investigate joe biden or his son, and then you seemed to change your mind. >> did you can ask the ukraine to -- >> actually, i did --

>> never asked anything about hunter biden, joe biden -- >> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that the prosecutor who was appointed dismissed the case -- >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden. >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't! john: all right, did you ask ukraine -- >> i responded immediately. he said to me did you ever talk about joe biden, i said, no, then i said i did say -- the no was obviously wrong. i corrected it immediately. i corrected it before he corrected it. the reality is the distinction is this: what they're trying to say is i went there for a political mission to kind of get joe biden in trouble. ridiculous. i went there as a lawyer defending his client. i've known about this for five months. i've been trying to get people to cover this for five months. what i'm talking about is ukrainian collusion which was large, significant and proven. with hillary clinton. with the democratic national

committee. a -- with the ambassador, with an fbi agent who's now been hired by george so process who is funding a lot of it. when biden got the prosecutor fired, the new prosecutor -- who biden approved -- you don't get to approve a prosecutor in a foreign country unless something fishy is going on. the new prosecutor who dropped the case not just on biden's kid and the crooked company that biden's kid worked for, that was done as a matter of record in october of 2016 after the guy got tanked. he also dropped the case on george so ros' company where there's documentary evidence that they were producing false information about trump, about biden, fusion gps was there. go back and listen to nelly other's testimony -- nellie ohr's testimony. nellie ohr says there was a lot of contact between democrats and the ukraine. well, i have all the contacts. and, john, when the rest of this comes out and we look at china

and the 1.5 billion that the biden family took out of china while that guy was negotiating for us, this will be a lot bigger than spiro agnew. they have fallenning into a trap. john: so you went over there to investigate alleged ukrainian interference -- >> [inaudible] john: all right. so when did this morph into an investigation of joe biden and hunter biden, and is protofor you as a -- appropriate for you to be going to ukraine and find dirt on joe biden and his son to use in 2020? >> that's the way you characterize it. john: that's the way it appears to line up. >> no. it doesn't. [inaudible conversations] this began by someone coming to me saying this information can clear your client about the corruption in ukraine between the ukraine, the democratic party, the ambassador, and the fbi agent who -- [inaudible] >> inextricably combined. because biden had the guy fired.

by the way, his statement's on record. the lazy press could go read it. they don't have to listen to me. there are three videotapes of prosecutors available on here that nobody has covered for five months because this town protects joe biden. his family has been taking money from his public office for years. $1.5 billion from china when our vice president is supposed to be impartially and independently negotiating for us, and the kid, he takes him on air force two to china and the kid, unfortunately, is a drug addict. china didn't give $3.5 billion to his kid, biden's kid, a recovering drug addict, whitey bulger's nephew. ladies and gentlemen, go look at what the press has been covering up on you. can you imagine -- john: this is a company called rose -- let me just get back --

>> hang on for a second. whitey bulger's nephew? $1.5 billion coming from china when our -- >> mr. mayor -- >> doesn't that shock you? john: let me stop for a second because we are throwing around a lot of ukrainian names that people don't know. victor shokun was a prosecutor back when biden was the vice president. he was looking into the company of which hunter biden was on the board board of directors. >> correct. john: there was some allegations that there was some monkey business going on. [laughter] joe biden, joe biden went over to ukraine in 2016 and said that i'm going to withhold more than a billion dollars in loan guarantees unless you fire this prosecutor. joe biden talked about that in 2018. [laughter] >> he said, i'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars. i'm going to be leaving here in i think it was, what, six hours, and the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money.

john: but he had been heavily criticized for corruption, and was the united states in a numb of other -- >> everybody. john: -- he needs to go. so was this tied to hunter biden, or was this, the united states saying you've got a bad actor there because he was accused of corruption in his office and other countries in the west were saying he needs to go as well? >> what does it matter? if the son's under investigation, he didn't disclose that. doesn't the thing strike you -- i mean, it's so warped. doesn't it strike you that he would tell that story and not mention that his son's company was the major defendant in the investigation the guy was carrying on? i happen to know, i've seen the records, do you know why he was fired? do you know how the kid was paid? $3 million goes from ukraine to cyprus, i'm sorry, to latvia. latvia to cyprus. i've seen each one of the wires. when that prosecutor subpoenaed cyprus, he got a response.

i have the record. they gave him all the information but two people; hunter biden and john kerry's stepson. i'm sorry, john kerry's speech writer who was the best friend of his stepson. john: the prosecutor who followed -- >> when that happened, joe biden knew that they were zeroing in on hunter, and he went over there, he got him fired. and the next day people showed up, and they started working on getting the case, the kiddies missed as well as the case for soros, and that's what brings me into it -- john: the process -- >> you've got to met me finish. you said i went there to get dirt on joe biden. do you know what i found out about joe biden? do you know what i told my colleague? they're going to cover this up. i got a nice straight case of ukrainian collusion. the minute i say biden, that washington press corps is going to go nuts. they've been covering up for years. john: now you're straying into areas -- >> no, i'm not. i'm straying into what is wrong with us today -- john: we need to point out that

the prosecutor who was appointed after shokin was fired, resurrected, reanimated the case and found that hunter biden was, in fact, paid millions of dollars, but he said that the board was able to pay a board member whatever they wanted, and he didn't see anything wrong with that. >> so distorted. john: i'm just stating the facts. >> if you did any work, you'd find out this is the prosecutor that biden put n. there's a newspaper article in which he approves him when he's appointed. doesn't that strike you as odd that the vice president would approve a particular prosecutor? did you ever bother to look? let me finish -- john: one other point we need to -- >> no, i won't answer another question unless you let me finish. this is really unfair. these are things that have been covered up for years. all you have to do is go online, there were three prosecutors that say that this was done precisely to get rid of biden,

to cover up momentummer and so rose -- cover-up soros. one of them is constantine -- [inaudible] the other is shokin himself and three of them were officials, one is still an potential of the ukrainian government. if you bothered to look, you could listen to them on tape telling you that. they may be lying, but it's three to one -- john: one more point we've got to make. >> biden's closing prosecutor. john okay. you've made your point -- >> you'll also find out there is regular suspicion. john: joe biden -- >> [inaudible] john: -- that he never discussed overseas business -- >> do you believe that? john: do you believe that? >> flying my son to china. how long is the flight to china? john: it's a while. >> 15 hours, 16 hours? i'm flying my son to china on air force two. i'm going to negotiate with the chinese to help america, my son

is going to negotiate to help the biden family. when he comes back and eight days later the kid gets a billion dollars in misery dick louse private equity fund run by a recovering drug addict, somebody covered to the vice president of the united states and somebody connected to the biggest gangster in america, wait a second, the son doesn't say to him i got a billion dollars? you see what joe says? it's contradicted by the son. the son says i talked to my father about it. there was an article on december 9 of 2015 in "the new york times" raising holy hell about biden's son being on the board of the most corrupt company in ukraine and how strange it looked. i don't know if joe reads the newspapers, but somebody must have read that to him, and finally if joe didn't know what his son was doing abroad, how many conflicts are there? this guy was flying blind? i don't know, did he get money from russia? did he get money from cuba? was he doing business in venezuela? you're telling me that the vice

president of the united states who was there for eight years, his son is going around the world taking -- john: yeah. >> don't say yeah -- john: i'm saying we've got to go. >> the only time i get to point out an effectively large scandal, i'm doing it to dethe fend my client. you're telling me he met no system with his son to check on conflicts? we know of two. we know there's a big conflict with ukraine, with china. since joe says and is apparently selling the media on the fact that he didn't know, how many more conflicts are there? john: you've mentioned that. we've got to leave it, mr. mayor -- >> 1.5 billion is enough -- john: we are out of time for this morning but, clearly, we're going to look into this. >> and this is going to get bigger and bigger, and everything i say i can prove. take me on. john: appreciate it. coming up, we'll get reaction to the president's iran policy with

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that continues to work against iran's support of terrorism, the challenge, of course, as the united states has been isolated when the president withdrew from the iran nuclear agreement, we are having difficulty with european allies to get the support we need, we have to isolate iran. >> reports from the houthis apparently the saudi arabia and to the united states, i don't know if you saw my question to the secretary of state, that iran is planning another attack in saudi arabia, if iran were in the middle of all of this, watch another attack at saudi arabia, would that demand a military response? >> there's really not a military solution to the problem of iran, we need to make diplomacy work, clearly there could be a miscalculation, we have to defend ourselves, no question about that. but we have to reduce the -- where we are where we could have this miscalculation, it would be disaster rouse if -- disastrous and have consequences in the

region and not in national security interest. >> we have the united states withdrawing from the jcpoa which you yourself didn't vote for. and iran is countering by shooting down american drones, firing missiles and launching drones at saudi oil facilities, i mean, they are in a shooting war, so is this -- if you let somebody fire at you and you don't shoot back, are you not showing weakness? >> john, here is the fault of the trump policies, before we withdrew from the iran nuclear agreement, there were conversations with the europeans about strengthening the sanctions against iran for the nonnuclear violations, we could have had the international support and tightened the economic pressure against iran, but still stay within the nuclear agreement. by pulling out of the nuclear agreement, it's the view of europe that this is an american problem rather than an international problem. >> but you know the argument,

this president said, it covers the nuclear but there's a sunset clause of a decade which isn't much when you look at the history of nuclear development but also does not do anything to rein in iran's malign activities, i pointed out, you yourself deed did not vote for the jcpoa because you were worried about future uranium enrichment, why stay in the bad deal? >> i agree with the analysis, the way to fix it, work with europe and partners, strengthen the sanctions against iran on the nonnuclear side, make sure they stay in compliance with the nuclear obligations, they were in compliance with the nuclear obligations when the united states pulled out, the bottom line is, we made, we isolated the united states rather than isolating iran and iran is the bad actor, there's no question about it. we don't know what they're going to do, but we certainly need the support of our international partners. >> how serious is iran about the jcpoa? the united states pulled out, there are still 5 signatories, iran is violating the agreement.

>> we don't know how iran is calculating this. the benefits they thought they were going to get under the nuclear agreement they are no longer getting. that's causing them to recalculate. >> for the moment president trump says he's showing restraint about iran, he kept people like secretary pompeo saying it's an act of war, others pointing fingers, pompeo at iran, the president saying, i'm going to sit back and wait and see how this plays out. listen to what he said in the oval office the other day. >> i think the strong person's approach and the -- the thing that does show strength would be showing a little bit of restraint, much easier to do it the other way, much easier and iran knows if they misbehave, they're in borrowed time. >> you have the president's aides on the one hand saying, act of war, the president saying i'm waiting and seeing here, leaving the door open to

negotiation amidst all the tough talk. could that be a good strategy to try to bring them to the table? >> i think it's an important week with all the world leaders, most of the world leaders meeting up in new york, opening of general assembly in the united nations, i hope that we can get that type of unity within international community in regards to iran so that the military option is not the right option, i agree with secretary pompeo that diplomacy should be the way we proceed, i agree with that. they are doing us horrible, we can't let them continue to do that. >> let me switch to intelligence committee inspector general whistleblower report. wall street journal reported on friday that the president had conversation with ukrainian president in which about 8 times pressured to have ukraine work with rudy giuliani to look into joe biden. the ukrainian foreign minister said today, quote, i know what

the conversation was about and i think there was no pressure. so you have democrats on the one side calling for the president's impeachment over this and you is ukrainian foreign minister saying, i don't see any pressure. >> i think we need to know what happened, the allegations are that the president used the power of his office for partisan political purposes jeopardizing the national security of the united states by withholding aid to ukraine, one of our key strategic partners. >> nobody has made the connection of aid yet, we don't know what this thing is about. >> at least there's been some reports that there was $250 million that were held up, ultimately -- >> people have connected the dots but i don't think we have gotten anything to back that up. >> let's find out. let's have transparency here, we can easily find that out, the information about those phone calls would be released and we could see exactly what's involved, but the president which is chosen at least to date not to release the information, these are serious allegations,

let's find out, i don't want to reach a conclusion, i'm just suggest to go -- suggesting to you that that president used office for partisan reasons, jeopardizing national security. >> is there a case to be made joe biden and son hunter biden's -- their involvement in ukraine, let's listen to what the president said and what joe biden said the other day. >> somebody ought to look into joe biden's statement because it was disgraceful where he talked about billions of dollars that he's not giving to a certain country unless a certain prosecutor is taken off the case. >> not one single credible outlet has given credible to assertion, not one single one, i have no comment the president -- >> in fact, a lot of credible news organizations including the new york times have been looking

into this, ken vogul, the reporter who wrote about it, the article back in may said on friday that there's -- this could be a significant issue for joe biden and then there's more there. >> well, john, i know what happened in 2015 with the prosecutor, the international community needed the prosecutor to leave, corruption was the center problem we had with ukraine maintaining coalition with russia with sanctions and we had to deal with corrupt issues and the prosecutors was in the center of that, that was a policy that we we wanted to implement, joe biden's issue has been looked at for a long time, there's been findings that there's no improper involvement, this is a distraction by the president of the united states to distract from the most recent situation. >> you don't want to prejudge the situation with the president and the whistleblower but democratic colleagues are making the leap to impeachment, is that going too far? >> i think you need to get the facts, i don't think -- the impeachment process is a way in

which congress exercises its responsibility checks and balances in our system but you can't act on that type of a remedy until you have the facts, so let's get the facts first. >> senator cardin, good to see you, thank you so much for coming in. coming up next sunday group to discuss the prospects of the showdown between the united states and iran.

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simple. easy. awesome. >> i think it's abundantly clear and enormous consensus in the region that we know precisely who conducted the tax, it was iran. >> what would be consequence of american and saudi response now? >> an all-out war. >> top diplomats from this country and iran and war of words this week over the fallout from the attacks on saudi arabia's oil industry and time now for our sunday group, jonah

goldberg from national review, fox news political analyst juan williams, susan page of usa today and editor of the washington free beacon, are we going to war, cussan with iran? >> i'd say probably not, you ask if there's act of war and he repeatedly denied, declined to say yesterday, what the president did in june, he backed away from military strike, the odds are against us taking military action. >> does that mean he cannot take military action now? >> no, he could take military action at any time. he's the commander in chief, but what we are seeing, though, the maximum pressure campaign of the trump administration has met maximum resistance from the iranian regime and the cyber operations and economic warfare that the white house has been doing against, the status quo something the prefers of all out

war. >> congress is saying he has to come to congress to fuse military force against iran, first of all, does he have to and if he went to congress would he get it? >> depends, i think we would need more provocation than what we have seen. i do think he should go to congress unless it's immediate security thing, congress has the authority to authorize war and we have seen that eroded like so many congressional prerogatives that it's anybody's guess. >> john, based on your question you can tell there's no clear end game in sight, what we know the president doesn't want war there but he previously said we are locked and loaded and what was incredible to me was to hear him him say he's waiting from guidance from the saudis, i

don't know if they are reliable, they kill american journalists, 9/11 is tot to be forgotten. >> the united states has sold billions of dollars in military equipment, can't the saudis handle this themselves? >> and while i guess we will find out, we are making this gesture to saudi arabia with a very limited deployment, but, yes, saudi arabia has a lot of defensive abilities, a lot of it provided by the united states, help by the united states. >> the key point here iran has denied responsibility, but we have no reason to trust that they are not responsible or at least supporting the houthis rebels, but the point from the american political perspective is we are still trying to get out of afghanistan. there's no appetite in this country for starting another war without a clear end game in sight and the president has not provided that. >> and the president's policy reflects the attitude.

he doesn't want to get involved either. what's remarkable here for 70 years plus the united states has guarantied the free flow of oil from the persian gulf, that is ending and it's ending because of fracking. >> let's get onto whistleblower issue here. president trump he was leaving for houston a short time ago, he said this about this conversation with president of ukraine back in july 25th, listen. >> the conversation i had with the president of ukraine was absolutely perfect and people better find out who these people are that are trying to subvert our country, these are bad people, the conversation that i had with the president of ukraine was absolutely -- >> so it was a 10. so there anything wrong with the president saying to the president of the ukraine, look, why don't you work with rudy giuliani and investigate what ties joe biden and hunter biden have to ukrainian natural gas?

>> it's soliciting foreign help in your campaign for reelection for president of the united states and it's something that i think people would generally find alarming. >> ukraine helped hillary clinton, so -- >> we have to separate a whole bunch of things here. the idea -- people who are -- you know, president trump had some weird messaging on this, on the one hand it's all made up and fake news, on the other hand he said he was spied on which suggest that in fact, allegations are true. rudy giuliani comes on air today and takes great that he's a political man, 7 minutes of the biggest political hitman i have ever seen. i think there's a lot of smoke and bluster on what giuliani is doing, it could all be true. if the president of the united states tried to bend national security based upon his own partisan self-interest that would be very, very bad and the people who say he's interested in corruption, that seems to be

the only corruption case in the world than the guy beating him by 10 points in the poll. >> the washington article had that the whistleblower does not have firsthand knowledge of any of this, the point if you're going to investigate the president and there's 9,573 investigations, the president going on right now, should you not investigate the person that might become president. >> a lot of conversations have begun with the word if, and the fact is we don't know and so i think the advocates of impeachment in this case carry a heavy burden, john, with the russia investigation a lot of misreporting and factual inaccurate and when the mueller report came out it did not provide data to impeach and third all of the charges illustrated in rudy giuliani's interview with you have the potential to boomerang to the potential democratic party. >> you heard ben cadin, he doesn't want to prejudge anything, he wants the

information, you have alexandria ocasio-cortez, you have elizabeth warren, you have myriad of democrats not waiting for a shred of evidence here, they are looking at reporting and saying, impeach him, off with his head, should they not wait, do they not have a responsibility to wait until we foe facts until we go to down impeachment? >> there's in reason to wait on the transcript if as the president described it nothing untoward took place why is it that the administration is making such an effort to obstruct the congress from getting that transcript, what we know -- >> it's not the transcript that they are not holding back, it's the complaint. >> the complaint, the transcript the whole thing, the transcript goes beyond the complaint which is why i said transcript, but the idea that this administration has through the justice department stopped what is the law, the law says that if you have an urgent complaint the inspector general of national intelligence would transfer to congress, it's not going on.

that is wrong. >> previous presidents have also disputed the idea that the president has an obligation by statute to do that. it's a mirky constitution issue. >> the one democrat calling for impeachment the one democrat who counts speaker pelosi, republicans should be outraged not just democrats and so far we haven't heard that. >> 15 second, should the transcript be released? >> of course. >> i think they should release it, there's the issue of executive privilege governing foreign communications. >> if this was obama house republican would -- >> we have to go, see you next sunday by the way, power player to have week, denzel washington and the club he says made him the man that he is today.

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>> it's where i learned so many life lessons, having fun. >> denzel washington is talking about the boys and girls clubs of america. 4,000 local clubs that provide after-school programs for more than 4 million young people and in the process changed lives, he was in washington last fall for the group's annual dinner. >> i remember that first day and how i felt and how special they made me feel. >> and to honor the national youth of the year. [cheers and applause] >> has been going to his club since he was 6. >> being a leader and a role model in my community is my purpose. >> i was a wild one, you know, i had a lot of energy. >> washington used to run track for his club and remember when a new kid came in and started running faster, one of his mentors took him aside. >> he said he has natural ability but his natural ability will only take him so far, so i applied that to -- to my career, my first two years when i

started acting in college. >> washington one the first of two oscars for role in glory about an carvecan-american -- african-american unit in the civil war. >> to protect, you have to catch the wolf, takes a wolf to catch a wolf, you understand? >> we were new york theaters snobs, i wanted to be jones, i was hope to go make $650 on broadway and i did. >> your father was a preacher and i've read that at various points in your life you've thought about becoming a preacher. really? >> maybe that's what i'm supposed to do, well, you already have a pulpit. >> washington is more about giving back. >> my pastor told me, whatever you have, you can't take it with

you, the question is what are you going with what you have while you are here. >> deal with ups and downs of club too, clidz at the club do better at school, less likely to do drugs and volunteer more. started his own program to improve reading levels. >> hour of playing basketball, eating pizza, just hanging out and getting to know the kids. >> denzel washington says that's the real message here. >> we are bombarded so much with negative news that one can just feel like what's -- what's the use, but listening to these young people saying, no, no, we are going to change you, we will do something about it, that's inspiring. >> chris asked washington where he sees himself at the stage in his career, he uses stuntman more than he used to but excite about the unknown and what comes next in his life and career. and that's it for today, chris is back again next weekend, we will see you next fox news sunday. thanks.

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